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Hello........

I have been reading the posts on this board and I am
very encouraged by what I have been reading in the
Womens Forum. I have been weight training for 4 years
and I have just started a cycle of Primo. 100 mg a week.
Within 3 weeks I notice an increase in strength and
hardness in my muscle. I am looking to widen my shoulders
and to lean out my lower body a bit. I'm 5 ft 8 and I weigh about 145lbs........not looking to gain mass, but I would like to step
"it " up. Any suggestions are greatly apprecitated.
Thank you.
 
MrsHardbody said:
Hello........

........not looking to gain mass, but I would like to step
"it " up.
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Hardbody, I'm not sure what "it" is. Do you mean increase your hardness, strength, or CV fitness?

Two ways to treat the leg softness, lose more fat there or add muscle. Added leg muscle will create the illusion of substantially greater hardness without actually decreasing the bodyfat. Sometimes its easier to go the muscle building route since hip and thigh fat cant be subborn as hell to really cut down.

For shoulder widening you might try what I call lat hangs. Grap an angled pullup bar with the widest grip you can manage while using lifting straps. Strap yourself onto the bar tight and allow your shoulders to hyperextend. Honey it hurts, but allow yourself to hang as long as you can stand it. Dont use any added weights. Try it a few times a week. Apart from that I can think of anything else except lateral raises to add thickness to the medial delt head.
 
Welcome! ;)

To give assistance, we need a little more information - such as weight, height, BF%, measurements, training details, cardio, DIET.... etc.... :)

If "it" is leanness (reducing BF, looking defined) - then that is 95% diet-related. Diet is what can make or break leanness.
 
Hey!
Thank you for your speedy replies!
I like the wide grip hanging idea......
I appreciate your help! I am 5 ft 8. I weigh 145lbs. I prefer myself just under 140. I have hard muscle now......and my body is defined. My upper body is more defined than my lower body. I am not sure exactly what my bodyfat is...[I don't think its high]....I will have it measured. My measurements are 36.....29......34. I am a woman that retains water!!!! I stay on a clean diet........I supplement with protein. I have used Ripped Fuel type products in the past....only to have the water return to my body when I stop using them.

I weight train 4 to 5 days a week. I do it all.....I go heavy on some days and high reps on others. I target muscles from every direction. I do cardio 3 or 4 times a week for 30 min. I am begining to do intervals. When I use the term "step it up" I want to be a bit more muscular than I am currently. I guess I want a "pumped look" all of time. I feel I have reached genetic potential naturally.....and I am basicly pleased with my results after 4 years. The problem is when I build muscle I notice I have trouble maintaining it......[ yes...I stay on the diet! High protein lower carbs].......this is why I am trying the primo]

I have spent years and $ studying and training learning all I could about bodybuilding.
I have scuplted my body after having 2 children. I haven gotten a really good result as I am down from a 50lb weight gain having a baby at age 42. Now......I want to tweak it.......I read your posts and replies .........you have knowledge.........so? what can I do? what can I change? The primo has given me increase in strength as I'm into my 3rd week. Thank you for your time!
 
gaining shoulder width/size will come with shoulder press...seated military, either free bar or smith machine....Iam not an advocate of behind the neck style presses, IMO it tends to over-rotate the delts and sockets over a period of time, thus causing injury and pain...there may be some who will argue this...thats ok...lower the weight to about ear- level and press back up to start position....no need to go any lower than that...using primo will usually show results quickly in the deltoid region, as they have an affinity for AAS....in both male and females...moderate to heavy military press is a must for shoulder developement.....welcome....
 
Alas...the lean upper vs. the fat lower half..

MrsHardbody said:
Hey!
Thank you for your speedy replies!
I like the wide grip hanging idea......
I appreciate your help! I am 5 ft 8. I weigh 145lbs. I prefer myself just under 140. I have hard muscle now......and my body is defined. My upper body is more defined than my lower body. I am not sure exactly what my bodyfat is...[
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Yes..the dreaded lean upper body vs. the not as lean lower half - those damn female genetics! If only like a man we lost BF over our entire body at the same time! Wouldn't life be grand!

Primo going in your delts? That will definately help - but move it around or scar tissue develops. And you get that little delt ridge down the center. Primo will help your delt size.
 
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Thank you!
Thank you!

So far so good....its been 3 amps so far. Strength has increased.
Endurance is not a problem. I have the line in the center of the shoulder.

Would you ladies know....how much longer it will be
before I see a result in shoulder growth ...visually?

Also how many weeks do recommend for a length of a cycle?
 
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PBR said:
QS...not what I meant...did not advise injecting there....tho its safe...
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What do you mean - not what you meant? I was replying to her post, not anything you stated. ???

I stated injecting in the delts would increase the delt size of course - she is obviously injecting somewhere (100mg Primo/wk). It is safe in the delt, however my suggestion was to move the location around - legs, etc so as not to develop scar tissue there. Maybe you can elaborate PBR as to why you feel she should not inject at this location?
 
MrsHardbody said:
Thank you!
Thank you!

So far so good....its been 3 amps so far. Strength has increased.
Endurance is not a problem. I have the line in the center of the shoulder.

Would you ladies know....how much longer it will be
before I see a result in shoulder growth ...visually?

Also how many weeks do recommend for a length of a cycle?
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Mrs H:

Please see my post. I was refering to your injection site for your primo - please read that post, thanks.
 
MrsHB, PLEASE don't take this the wrong way....BUT...I am not sure starting a cycle of AAS is a good idea if you aren't sure 1) how long is safe and 2) how long you want to be on. Before starting a cycle you should research, and plan out exactly how long you want to be on...as well as what to expect. Without a SOLID well-researched and thought out plan - your cycle will not give you the results you want.


And how long results take will depend primarily on your diet, training and genetics.
 
QS.....apparently we are mis-interpreting each other....my mistake...she can inject there with no problem (as you and I stated) other than its painful....affinity- meaning the result of using AAS will show up on the body more rapidly in some areas- such as the deltoids....this is common in both male and females....does that clear up the muddy water???....
 
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Thank you all......
for your replies.
I have not taken offense of your questions and concerns.

I asked the question about the length of a cycle because
in my research.....I have read conflicting... ideas.

I have read about 4 week, 6 week 10 weeks and 12 week
cycles. I have read that it takes some women a 2nd cycle
to get a desired result. I made a plan for a 10 week cycle. I was hoping to get a good result staying on cycle longer......as long
as I feel well using it. I am feeling very well.

Its my 1st experience with AAS and I do know what it is I want to accomplish.........which, in my perfect world.....would be able to grow muscle exactly where I want it.
I have been successful scuplting my muscle, naturally.....and I have been able to put on size where I want it in the past 2 out of 4 years of bodybuilding naturally. I hit a plateau.....and after many months of extra work in the gym, thought and research.....here I am trying this.
I am expecting that with
the AAS usage I will be able to build and get over my plateau.
I am trying to do it mildly and responsibly.

I was wondering how long it took you.....from your experience...
before you saw a result in the mirror?
I am dedicated to training...eating and getting rest.....
I am doing these things to the best of ability.

I think women understand women. This is why I like
this board and this forum. I only just found you 'all
a couple of weeks ago.

Thanks again.
MrsHardbody
 
Thank you all......
for your replies.
I have not taken offense of your questions and concerns.

I asked the question about the length of a cycle because
in my research.....I have read conflicting... ideas.

I have read about 4 week, 6 week 10 weeks and 12 week
cycles. I have read that it takes some women a 2nd cycle
to get a desired result. I made a plan for a 10 week cycle. I was hoping to get a good result staying on cycle longer......as long
as I feel well using it. I am feeling very well.

Its my 1st experience with AAS and I do know what it is I want to accomplish.........which, in my perfect world.....would be able to grow muscle exactly where I want it.....
I have been successful scuplting my muscle, naturally.....and I have been able to put on size where I want it ....in the past 2 out of 4 years of bodybuilding naturally. I hit a plateau.....and after many months of extra work in the gym, thought and research.....here I am trying this.
I am expecting that with
the AAS usage I will be able to build and get over my plateau.
I am trying to do it mildly and responsibly.

I was wondering how long it took you.....from your experience...
before you saw a result in the mirror?
I am dedicated to training...eating and getting rest.....
I am doing these things to the best of ability.

I think women understand women. This is why I like
this board and this forum. I only just found you 'all
a couple of weeks ago.

Thanks again.
MrsHardbody
 
sorry

that was posted twice.....
the computer is alittle slow today.

Also, I am going to try the injection into the delts.

I have to meditate on it...to get up the nerve..
......I'm not efficent with these injections yet.
Like anything else.....it takes practical experience.
I will do it.
Thanks again for your thoughts,
suggestions and welcomes.

MrsHardbody
 
Hi....
I'm on way way out the door, so sorry if I don't cover all your Qs. I'm sure someone else here can do that today before I get home :)

First, I would stick with your 10 week cycle as originally planned. Longer is NOT better. Which is the sister statement to MORE is not better. :) 10 weeks is a good time amount of time to diet hard, train hard and see results. After 10 weeks, evaluate where you are and where you want to go next. Take a break off AAS, let your body get back to "normal" (hormone wise) then hit is hard again. Even for women, time on should equal time off.

Second, I am not sure anyone can tell you exactly how long it took them to see results, etc - because every drug, every body is different. Again, it also can depend on genetics, experiences, training and diet. Most (here) have never taken Primo - it isn't the easiest to find, is often expensive, and is often faked. It is hard to compare experiences with different drugs. Look at your body - you say you already see resutls...GREAT. Don't worry about others. Now you are taking it....worry about how the drug is affecting YOU and change things based of that, not off others.

Third, it is unlikely you will be satisfied after your first cycle. You might be pleased with the results, but now the bar has raised. After this, you will likely expect more of yourself. If you add 5 lbs muscle and get leaner....you'll be pelased but stil l want more. That is the problem with AAS - it can often make you satified with your gains....but then demand MORE and MORE and MORE. With every gain, you set the bar higher and higher. It is hard to stify, especially when you get closer to your goals.

That said, I am glad you are here. Your experiences are very welcome and I am glad you are sharing them. We all learn from each other - Elite has a wealth of knowledge to share (if sometimes you have to wade through the s*it, lol). Keep posting! :)
 
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MrsHardbody said:
that was posted twice.....
the computer is alittle slow today.

Also, I am going to try the injection into the delts.

I have to meditate on it...to get up the nerve..
......I'm not efficent with these injections yet.
Like anything else.....it takes practical experience.
I will do it. Thanks again for your thoughts,
suggestions and welcomes.

MrsHardbody
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Be sure to take care with that. And as PBR & I went back and forth on this - we both agree it should not be your only injection site. As i said you can over-develop that center "ridge" and as PBR said - it is very visable. Any questions, don't hesitate to ask.
 
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Quadsweep's Sister said:
Be sure to take care with that. And as PBR & I went back and forth on this - we both agree it should not be your only injection site. As i said you can over-develop that center "ridge" and as PBR said - it is very visable. Any questions, don't hesitate to ask.
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hey QS tried to send you a pm, but you wouldnt let me... :worried:
 
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PBR said:
hey QS tried to send you a pm, but you wouldnt let me... :worried:
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Sorry bout that PBR - When they upgraded the site, i got kicked out!!! I'm back now as of tonight - please try PM again when you can and thanks! Take care.
 
Welcome MrsHB -

You've gotten some of the best advice so far - while you are still finetuning your first cycle experience I'm sure you are discovering some of the things that no one can really tell you about until you actually experience them. Primo has generally been not the cycle of choice because, firstly, it seems to be quite challenging to get the "real" stuff - it is one of the more regularly faked products. Secondly, it tends to be a little stronger than something like anavar and it seems to work great for some & others have a terrible time with it (sides, etc.) - so its a very individual thing the way it responds for people.

I will be very interested to see how it is working for you - are you noticing any voice changes, oily skin, etc? You should've noticed strength & muscle tightening results after the 2nd week or so - which it sounds like you have. I think you can't really expect to see significant changes for a few weeks yet - remember that your body has to absorb the new stuff in its system & respond to its impact first.

I will look forward to your updates! Esp with that delt injection - very awkward position I felt.
 
Hello,

Thanks again for all you replys.
Yes you are correct when you said it is difficult
to inject the delts. I almost tried it actually, raised the needle
and then lost my confidence to do it. I felt at that moment that
I am just not efficent enough giving myself an injection to put it
there. As I become more confident,hopefully, well, I still would like to
try it.
Oily skin? Yes. and a couple of painful pimples. Another side affect was
in the 1st 3 weeks of the cycle I noticed my whole crotch became swollen.
That has subsided. Strength gains? yes! Especially my back and legs. I had muscle hardness before I started, so i do not detect real change there.
My body is changing shape now. The upper part is widening a bit. So far so good! Aggressiveness? as a side affect? It happens, I wanted to pick up and throw a garbage can at a man in 'Wendys Hamburgers' because he was so unkind to my kid. I chased him out of the place verbally instead. Its not like me to behave like that.
 
mrsHB, Sassy brought up an extremely important issue...most primo is faked...your symptoms that you described could be "cautionary"....IMHO, if you are "new" at this 50mgs might have been a good range to start in...(especially with the injectable version) however, real primo as you probably know is very anabolic with extremely low androgenic sides...it is very long acting, with a slow and gradual release into the body but, the build up can give andro sides...if you are uncomfortable, lower the dosage...pay close attention to your body to make sure you are not putting in some kind of "testosterone"....real primo is very mild and has very mild sides, that should not cause alarm....primo's potency is slightly less than deca....on another note, when venturing in to this world of excess for the fist time, "oarls" are amuch safer choice, as these are in and out of the system quicky-thus being able to control easier...methenolone (primobolan) has an enanthate ester added to it, which makes it long acting...this could present a problem if you have sides that are getting out of control....just my.02
 
Thanks for your concerns.....
I got my Primo from a reliable source. I did my homework and got the real thing. I am very certain.
I think that this cycle is going very well. The sides I have experienced are minimal and diminishing. I selected this over an oral as I read that orals are hard on the liver. I selected this because it is mild.

This jerk in "Wendys Hamburgers" told me I should take off my belt and hit my kid in the head with it. [I was having a difficult moment with my kid]
I jumped all over this guy verbally, I asked him if he hit his kids?/asked his wife if he hit her? I kept it up, I chased him out of the place.
I was very aggressive. Its not like me to cause a scene. Perhaps diminished patience [with the public?] is a side affect of the Primo. I will pay attention to keep it in check.

I understand the estered property in the oil. I assumed it would keep me 'evened out'. I would not personally go above this dose. I might try another cycle of it later this year,perhaps. The ladies on this board are very nice. Thank for replying to me.
And..Welcome to the new member ,lil tangerine, I suggest if you have a question? post it. They get back to you quickly and with excellent advice and suggestions here.
 
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I went thru the edit options again and I can't lose
this "All Natural" under my name. I can't seem to find a way to
get rid of it.
 
It is a title you are stuck with for now. It is related to post counts....the more you post, the more often your title changes.
 
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