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Jenetix

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(big lowerbody too but camera is fooked)

Basically heres the deal... I am 19 (gonna get flamed for this one...) and have no aspirations of being nearly as big as many of my relatives (300+ around 15%BFs one 270 @ 8%)... I need money badly because I am not getting approved for financial aid atm and I want to enter fitness modeling because I have connections that will most definitely get me jobs if I look better (have done modeling at young age for disney and made mad money)... I know the modeling shit sounds gay but yes I bench 365, squat 405x5(paralell) and ran a 4.5 at 210 when I was 18...

Basically I know you do not advocate AAS use at 19, however I am 6'1" and havent grown for 3 years, I need money NOW, and I have a great future of going to Med School if I can continue to pay for my undergrad...

Basically my question is if I haven't touched AAS but eat 6 high protein (totalling 300+g), medium low glycemic complex carbs, and eat fish oil supplements for fats (done this diet for past year)... And I also Train extremely hard ( I alternate high volume eg 30 sets back and low volume 20 sets back but less rest ), and currently weigh 218 lbs at 6'1" my questions are twofold:

1) Can anyone guestimate my bodyfat?
2) What would the ideal cycle be to attain the Mens Fitness look? ( I know about PCT: HCG last 2weeks while on, nolva last week while on and continue to 3 weeks after).
 
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so you bench 365lbs. at 218lbs. ok....

1) no , your pictures suck, maybe 12%
2) you don't need a cycle, you need to diet/train/sleep and take supplementation....

Mr.X
 
Jenetix said:
I know the modeling shit sounds gay but yes I bench 365, squat 405x5(paralell) and ran a 4.5 at 210 when I was 18...

LMAO! so why didnt you play football on a full scholorship?? that would pay for school. right now with those stats you have the ability to start at many DI schools. i think you inflated your stats just a little to much bro... you aint gonna fool the guys on here.
 
Highly unlikely at best

You do not have the mass to push such weight

esp at such a young age

Just train bor it can be done with hard work
 
sounds pretty wild to me too. But over the years at the gyms ive seen some weak lookin guys shove some big weight that shocked the hell out of me. Thers a guy at worlds now thats kinda flabby at about 210 or so and i saw him do 275 for 10 reps. He looks weak as hell. I personally can only get 325 and thats on a good day and i weigh 240 at 6'4 but at 36yrs old im scared of injury and usually only go to 70%max. This guy maybe one of those who will fool you. But id have to see it on a streemline video.
 
so you bench 365lbs. at 218lbs. ok....

yes... my best is 325x5 however I never max... some people get 50 pounds off their set of 5... I figured 40 would be a good bet...

2) you don't need a cycle, you need to diet/train/sleep and take supplementation....

Been doing that shit since 14 and yes I know how to train, probably better than most here. I get 9 hours of sleep every night and take an hour nap every afternoon pre-workout...

I guess training/sleeping/supplements will put 20 pounds lbm on me in 8 weeks?
 
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I was benching 325 at 175 pounds when I was 18...but uh i was on uh what you call uh Anabolex.....WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

How bout the fact that your genetics suck and my dad has done RAW over 500 (currently deceased) but not saying the exact amount because I don't want you to know who I am... If you wanna get bent out of shape because im strong for my age have at it...
 
I've seen some crazy shit at the gym as well...
I'm not much for keeping stats... but i've pushed 315 for 4 at 205lbs... so it's not that much of a stretch i guess?
Although i must say you don't really look 218 in those pics... and i'd change that name. too close to Jenetic and there's only one of him :)
VW
 
Whatever fuck this... I just realized you won't believe my last statement either... im out...

Thanks for the advice...
 
Not that 365 is impressive, but you honestly don't look capable of doing it.

about 12-14%, and if you want the mens health / infomercial look just drop some more bf.. those guys are all 6'2" about 185
 
reigninghard said:
I was benching 325 at 175 pounds when I was 18...but uh i was on uh what you call uh Anabolex.....WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!


jenetix ... i know a few pro football teams that could use a guy like you...lol
 
Jenetix said:
How bout the fact that your genetics suck and my dad has done RAW over 500 (currently deceased) but not saying the exact amount because I don't want you to know who I am... If you wanna get bent out of shape because im strong for my age have at it...


LOL And I Thought I was tempermental..
 
Jenetix said:
Whatever fuck this... I just realized you won't believe my last statement either... im out...

Thanks for the advice...

I dont' get it... why come on here anyways and start throwing stats around... if you're going for a look then who cares how much you lift? you had to expect people to jump all over that....
What do you want to hear??... you're a god! you're incredible! i've never seen anyone lift that much! you're pics made me blow in my pants! :rolleyes:
Post you're diet and/or potential cycle without the bullshit and someone will help you out...
VW
 
jenetix ... i know a few pro football teams that could use a guy like you...lol

What position would I play?... Cornerback=toslow, Linebacker=toosmall/weak, WR=tooslow, Safety=they have 43" verts and are faster, you're a fucking idiot...

My 40 time was run many times over by hand and yes many many highschoolers run 4.3s by hand... Do any go straight pro? No...

You even watch football? post a pic of yourself... prolly a 30 year old 30%BF nerd thats never done anything athletic in his life...

(I prolly shouldnt even touch AAS, I can't control myself as it is)
 
I dont' get it... why come on here anyways and start throwing stats around... if you're going for a look then who cares how much you lift? you had to expect people to jump all over that....
What do you want to hear??... you're a god! you're incredible! i've never seen anyone lift that much! you're pics made me blow in my pants!
Post you're diet and/or potential cycle without the bullshit and someone will help you out...
VW
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Actually you are 100% correct... fuck my stats, I don't do shit with them... they are worthless... however I just wanted to prove im ready for AAS...

I guess I shoulda lied and said I am 40, suck at life and want to get ripped and have been working out for 20 years and eating well, what cycle?

Be back under another name I guess?
 
Just give him a cycle you whores... if hes lieing who gives a flying fuck... if not then good for him...

Prop 100 EOD 8 weeks with proper PCT and reduced calorie diet...
 
Guys, I was smaller than him the first time I benched 365. It can be done. Size isnt everything. Bench has always been something that came naturally for me. Not that I didnt work for it, but I was always able to bench more than people thought. Squat, on the other hand, I sucked at.
 
Jenetix said:
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Actually you are 100% correct... fuck my stats, I don't do shit with them... they are worthless... however I just wanted to prove im ready for AAS...

I guess I shoulda lied and said I am 40, suck at life and want to get ripped and have been working out for 20 years and eating well, what cycle?

Be back under another name I guess?

There's so much conflicting info in your initial post, no one can really help you. You don't know your own BF, yet you've been lifting since you were 14 and say you push weights that look unattainable with your amount of muscle mass. You say you haven't grown in 3 years, so you've been benching 365 every week for 156 weeks? You didn't post up any example of a daily diet, any example of a training routine, and gave us pretty much nothing to go on. So your answers are 13% and test, winny, tren, clen and var. Good luck.
 
i just want to hit him :chomp: chill the fuck out jr. you came on with bull shit stats that nobody cares about, your bluff got called, now you are all mad pounding your chest. too bad life sucks go kill yourself :chomp:
 
There's so much conflicting info in your initial post, no one can really help you. You don't know your own BF, yet you've been lifting since you were 14 and say you push weights that look unattainable with your amount of muscle mass. You say you haven't grown in 3 years, so you've been benching 365 every week for 156 weeks? You didn't post up any example of a daily diet, any example of a training routine, and gave us pretty much nothing to go on. So your answers are 13% and test, winny, tren, clen and var. Good luck.

Well I know how to eat that is for god damn sure... My body fat 6 months ago tested by a RADIOLOGIST (you prolly dont even know thats possible) was at 7% but I have been bulking ever since and got it tested at the local gym by caliper at 8.7% but I know I am higher. There is NO CORRELATION between being advanced and having the means to accurate body fat testing... I simply have not gotten it tested accurately lately...

You say you haven't grown in 3 years, so you've been benching 365 every week for 156 weeks?

I have not grown in height you retard... I said I was 18 and 210, im obviously 218 now and have grown in weight... I said the height comment so people wouldnt say that it'd shut my growth plates because I know they are shut already...


Now heres what I really want... Of all the people that have already talked shit (not some fucking BB Pro) I want some bitches to post their pictures and see if after all the juice you look decent... I think it'd be funny...
 
i just want to hit him chill the fuck out jr. you came on with bull shit stats that nobody cares about, your bluff got called, now you are all mad pounding your chest. too bad life sucks go kill yourself


HAHA lmfao... Ya dude im fucking pissed right now... But im a hothead anyways... I need to chill...

Just out of curiousity Im calling out littleb... ya thats right... 528 posts later and lets see what Juice has done for you...

Post a pic with your name in the fucking picture and lets see how u look right now... pussy...
 
BTW My bench routine is like this 5x5 bench, 3x5 one inch wide high on chest, 3x5 one inch narrow low on chest, 3x5 bench (pause in sticking point), then cable cross 4x10 or Dumbell fly 4x10. And every workout my number of reps to 10,5,8,3... so all 10's one week, all 3's, all 5's, all 8's if that makes sense to you...
This changes every 6 weeks...

THIS IS A BENCH SPECIFIC WORKOUT

I am not a bodybuilder that reps incline dumbells and expects to have a big bench... just doesnt work like that
 
Jenetix said:
Well I know how to eat that is for god damn sure... My body fat 6 months ago tested by a RADIOLOGIST (you prolly dont even know thats possible) was at 7% but I have been bulking ever since and got it tested at the local gym by caliper at 8.7% but I know I am higher. There is NO CORRELATION between being advanced and having the means to accurate body fat testing... I simply have not gotten it tested accurately lately...
I have not grown in height you retard... I said I was 18 and 210, im obviously 218 now and have grown in weight... I said the height comment so people wouldnt say that it'd shut my growth plates because I know they are shut already...
Now heres what I really want... Of all the people that have already talked shit (not some fucking BB Pro) I want some bitches to post their pictures and see if after all the juice you look decent... I think it'd be funny...

So what are you looking for? I asked you questions about your lifting and diet and you gave no answers, so my answer still stands. Do you want advice from people or do you just want to be kingshit?
 
Jenetix said:
HAHA lmfao... Ya dude im fucking pissed right now... But im a hothead anyways... I need to chill...

Just out of curiousity Im calling out littleb... ya thats right... 528 posts later and lets see what Juice has done for you...

Post a pic with your name in the fucking picture and lets see how u look right now... pussy...
Your lack of respect for these good bro's will not get you the desired advice you seek young one. I suggest you:
1) Apologize for your ignorance and lack of respect for these bro's
and/or
2) Get an alter quick.
It would have been easier just to ask what a good begining cycle would be for <enter stats here> instead of trying to show off your bench press max.

I'm sure if you offer an apology some good people on here will suggest a cycle for you to get cut or to gain mass. Good luck Junior!!!!
:Chef: :tuc:
 
Jenetix said:
HAHA lmfao... Ya dude im fucking pissed right now... But im a hothead anyways... I need to chill...

Just out of curiousity Im calling out littleb... ya thats right... 528 posts later and lets see what Juice has done for you...

Post a pic with your name in the fucking picture and lets see how u look right now... pussy...


lol look here jr. i will post up pics later for the bros on here, not your punk ass, and as far as you being a hot head , your lucky we never ran into each other, i admit you are bigger then me, i weigh 194 right now with bloat, but on my worst day i would have you eating through a straw... ;) now just go back to thinking i am a pc tough guy, cause thats what i think you are.
 
I said my diet was in check but okay here we go, I can use some advice, thanks:

8AM

8 egg whites 4 whole eggs (12 total)
2 servings Oatmeal
4 Capsules Fish Oil

11AM

Chicken Breast (in salad)
Cottage Cheese (20gprotein worth)
Salad
Flax Oil Dressing

2pm

2 Tbsp NPB
Tuna (60gproteinworth)

5pm -Preworkout
Maltrodextrin in Whey Shake (20g protein)
Casein/Egg shake (20g protein)
Creatine/NO2

6pm Post workout
20g Whey Protein

9pm
Various Fish (usually salmon)
Salad

12pm
RTD 50 MetRX
 
Jenetix said:
Well I know how to eat that is for god damn sure... My body fat 6 months ago tested by a RADIOLOGIST (you prolly dont even know thats possible) was at 7% but I have been bulking ever since and got it tested at the local gym by caliper at 8.7% but I know I am higher. There is NO CORRELATION between being advanced and having the means to accurate body fat testing... I simply have not gotten it tested accurately lately...



I have not grown in height you retard... I said I was 18 and 210, im obviously 218 now and have grown in weight... I said the height comment so people wouldnt say that it'd shut my growth plates because I know they are shut already...


Now heres what I really want... Of all the people that have already talked shit (not some fucking BB Pro) I want some bitches to post their pictures and see if after all the juice you look decent... I think it'd be funny...


.........
 
lol look here jr. i will post up pics later for the bros on here, not your punk ass, and as far as you being a hot head , your lucky we never ran into each other, i admit you are bigger then me, i weigh 194 right now with bloat, but on my worst day i would have you eating through a straw... now just go back to thinking i am a pc tough guy, cause thats what i think you are.

Haha thats funny... im 218 with no creatine/aas bloat whatsoever I can get 224 easy with monohydrate bloat... You are a fucking punk... I got you by 30 pounds prolly 40+ LBM pounds... you are prolly 25+ maybe even over the hill... im 19 and I own you... you are a pussy... get over it... until we see some pics that prove your not thats the way everyone will see it...

lol look here jr. i will post up pics later for the bros on here, not your punk ass, and as far as you being a hot head , your lucky we never ran into each other, i admit you are bigger then me, i weigh 194 right now with bloat, but on my worst day i would have you eating through a straw... now just go back to thinking i am a pc tough guy, cause thats what i think you are.

Eating through a straw? Think about what you're saying... after you shrink you'll be back down to 185 looking like shit... you should prolly post them now before its too late...
 
Jenetix said:
Haha thats funny... im 218 with no creatine/aas bloat whatsoever I can get 224 easy with monohydrate bloat... You are a fucking punk... I got you by 30 pounds prolly 40+ LBM pounds... you are prolly 25+ maybe even over the hill... im 19 and I own you... you are a pussy... get over it... until we see some pics that prove your not thats the way everyone will see it...



Eating through a straw? Think about what you're saying... after you shrink you'll be back down to 185 looking like shit... you should prolly post them now before its too late...


wow how scary! a mad 19 year old! lol
 
Jenetix said:
Haha thats funny... im 218 with no creatine/aas bloat whatsoever I can get 224 easy with monohydrate bloat... You are a fucking punk... I got you by 30 pounds prolly 40+ LBM pounds... you are prolly 25+ maybe even over the hill... im 19 and I own you... you are a pussy... get over it... until we see some pics that prove your not thats the way everyone will see it...



Eating through a straw? Think about what you're saying... after you shrink you'll be back down to 185 looking like shit... you should prolly post them now before its too late...

Here my advice, you did not. BOMBS AWAY PUNK :Chef: :tuc:
 
its so easy to be tough over a pc where you will PROBABLY never see the person on the other end.. o well i refuse to allow myself to get mad at jr lol, and 30 40 lbs dont mean shit in a street fight son.. :p
 
wow how scary! a mad 19 year old! lol

lol I really dont even give a shit... im just fuckin around...

But damn im not even gonna lie... you look sick as fuck... good job bro... thats the exact look im goin for... btw how old are you? just wondering cuz it'd be tight to see what u looked like at my age cuz I wanna get to ur body type... I eat a shitload... maybe I should just cut up real hard but im not sure if I have dense enough muscle too look like you once I lose alot of fat... thats why I was thinking about AAS before a 8 week clen cycle (2 on 2 off)
 
littleb said:
its so easy to be tough over a pc where you will PROBABLY never see the person on the other end.. o well i refuse to allow myself to get mad at jr lol, and 30 40 lbs dont mean shit in a street fight son.. :p
You're a good bro littleb. Fuck this punk.

Lefler, lookin tight broham!!!! :Chef: :tuc:
 
van_wilder said:
I dont' get it... why come on here anyways and start throwing stats around... if you're going for a look then who cares how much you lift? you had to expect people to jump all over that....
What do you want to hear??... you're a god! you're incredible! i've never seen anyone lift that much! you're pics made me blow in my pants! :rolleyes:
Post you're diet and/or potential cycle without the bullshit and someone will help you out...
VW


Good advice
 
lol sorry for being a bitch but I realize now that you shouldnt post stats like that... just stats like diet, weight, height, cycle exp, age, training, etc... you have no way to verify my lifting stats so if they are above average its most likely bullshit... i understand...
 
chefbone said:
You're a good bro littleb. Fuck this punk.

Lefler, lookin tight broham!!!! :Chef: :tuc:


yea i was getting pissed, but as he said i am over the hill now at 27, im more calm in my elder yrs :p o well like i said b4 easy to be a big talker over a computer.. i gotta run now cant find my damn denture creme :p
 
I dont' get it... why come on here anyways and start throwing stats around... if you're going for a look then who cares how much you lift? you had to expect people to jump all over that....
What do you want to hear??... you're a god! you're incredible! i've never seen anyone lift that much! you're pics made me blow in my pants!
Post you're diet and/or potential cycle without the bullshit and someone will help you out...
VW

ya dude u hit it spot on... just my mistake...
 
[/QUOTE]yea i was getting pissed, but as he said i am over the hill now at 27, im more calm in my elder yrs o well like i said b4 easy to be a big talker over a computer.. i gotta run now cant find my damn denture creme
 
Well I'm going to side with most here and say you're full of shit. You might bench 275 for 3 reps. You should spend some time with creatine and protein powders and learn a good training routing. Trust me there are some man children out there who can kick ass at 18, but those are few and far between. There are lots of people on here that inject drugs in thier system and they still don't look like shit so you need to learn diet and weight training
 
Jenetix said:
Haha thats funny... im 218 with no creatine/aas bloat whatsoever I can get 224 easy with monohydrate bloat... You are a fucking punk... I got you by 30 pounds prolly 40+ LBM pounds... you are prolly 25+ maybe even over the hill... im 19 and I own you... you are a pussy... get over it... until we see some pics that prove your not thats the way everyone will see it...



Eating through a straw? Think about what you're saying... after you shrink you'll be back down to 185 looking like shit... you should prolly post them now before its too late...

Here is the cycle you need to do that will certainly get you the look that you need:

Week 1-10 inject 2ml of bleach everyday into your temple.

Fuck you retard.
 
lmfao... I hate doubting people cuz ive always been doubted my whole life but 365 is up there at your lbm... sorry people jumped on you like that but 365 is just a little much without gear...
 
wow...harsh tough crowd tonight...damn bro seems like you've been crusified on here...anyway...quit rammbling about your stats, yes i know many good bro's on here keep pickin at you...but your giving into them as well...the more they push you push back, just stop and dont worry about your stats, thats not why you posted right?...your not asking how you can get your bench up or your squat...you want to know about a cycle, you want to know what would work best for you...well like you have said we dont advocate the use of AAS to your age group...but your probably going to do what you want...

also you must understand that your question about "what cycle can i get on to look like the guys on men's health" is OUTRAGEOUS....thats like the bro that asked what he could take to look like Brad Pitt in fight club...be realistic you should understand the variables and the jenetics involved.
 
anadrol 300 mgs ed
1.5 g test e 1- 20 years
200 test prop ed 1-5 years
3 g' primo
150 mg anavar.
winny 200 mgs ed
tren 200 mgs ed.
that shouold rip you right up :)
 
anadrol 300 mgs ed
1.5 g test e 1- 20 years
200 test prop ed 1-5 years
3 g' primo
150 mg anavar.
winny 200 mgs ed
tren 200 mgs ed.
that shouold rip you right up

Ok Thanks so much bro! I am going to do exactly that... I have a good source... Should I drop the bleach to the temple idea then?
 
my best friend is 205 7% year round, he does 4 plates on each side no problem, i have seen him do 475 3 times, he is very big 6 foot tall but nothing massive
 
bruce410 said:
my best friend is 205 7% year round, he does 4 plates on each side no problem, i have seen him do 475 3 times, he is very big 6 foot tall but nothing massive


he benches 475lbs or squat
 
savage1026 said:
jenetix, if your aspirations are to be a fitness model, compounds like test, winny, and clen will be your best friend. Those will get you big and ripped, unfortunately there is no AAS that help you with your current problem of being a giant douche.

^ LOL...hahaha

Dude...no need to be so angry. Not the way to introduce yourself really. Hell, somebody on here called me an Alter once - said I was a dude...my friggin brother at that!

Moral of the story is you just have to take some hits when you come on a board like this where people have been around for awhile. Think of it like hazing in college.

Have to be courteous, especially when asking for help in return.

__________________
Mythicwrld

"We deceive ourselves when we fancy that only weakness needs support. Strength needs it far more."
 
AMGETR said:
Bullshit you bench 365. LOL.
i havent seen the pics, and i'm not getting this guy's back or anything, but i know little fools at the gym barely bigger than me, i know they gotta be under 200lbs, and some of them are putting up 4 plates (barely),
 
I have'nt seen your pictures,so I cant comment on your appearance or how strong you say you are :rolleyes: But I can say your way to young to start a cycle,you cant keep your cool when your on nothing,whats going to happen when your on Test or Tren?I say that the kind of person that needs to grow up a bit before he thinks about juice.(SELF CONTROL)
 
the only cycle you should be touching is a bicycle




that was a joke...im just posting to say i agree with the post above mine...theres a kid i know benching 325 at around 190, and he claims hes all natural...doesnt look all that big either...says he deadlifts over 500 (havnt seen it, but i did see his bench compeition 1st place medal), squats over 400

not to say jenetix isnt an idiot though, but his numbers coudl be legit
 
Jenetix said:
Well I know how to eat that is for god damn sure... My body fat 6 months ago tested by a RADIOLOGIST (you prolly dont even know thats possible) was at 7% but I have been bulking ever since and got it tested at the local gym by caliper at 8.7% but I know I am higher. There is NO CORRELATION between being advanced and having the means to accurate body fat testing... I simply have not gotten it tested accurately lately...



I have not grown in height you retard... I said I was 18 and 210, im obviously 218 now and have grown in weight... I said the height comment so people wouldnt say that it'd shut my growth plates because I know they are shut already...


Now heres what I really want... Of all the people that have already talked shit (not some fucking BB Pro) I want some bitches to post their pictures and see if after all the juice you look decent... I think it'd be funny...
I would love to know how a Radiologist tested your BF?????? Enlighten me.
 
I don't think his stats are high at all. I was 194-lbs when I was 18 and a senior in high school and could bench press 360-lbs for 1-rep, squat 4 plates for a few. I don't know what my 40 time was as I didn't play football. I wasn't slow though. Maybe people are just stronger out in Ca though...:)

BMJ
 
Jenetix said:
I said my diet was in check but okay here we go, I can use some advice, thanks:

8AM

8 egg whites 4 whole eggs (12 total)
2 servings Oatmeal
4 Capsules Fish Oil

11AM

Chicken Breast (in salad)
Cottage Cheese (20gprotein worth)
Salad
Flax Oil Dressing

2pm

2 Tbsp NPB
Tuna (60gproteinworth)

5pm -Preworkout
Maltrodextrin in Whey Shake (20g protein)
Casein/Egg shake (20g protein)
Creatine/NO2

6pm Post workout
20g Whey Protein

9pm
Various Fish (usually salmon)
Salad

12pm
RTD 50 MetRX

There are many ways you can go about doing this for improvement. I'll show you what i'd probably do though. I believe you mentioned wanting to gain wt, but if I am wrong correct me, as i'm not gonna go back and reread the first 4 pages.

Meal 1...looks fine.

Meal #2: You can have this, but i'd add in some sort of starch as well...maybe something like a potato/sweet potato, etc...I'm sure you can find something. Take the cottage cheese out of this meal and add it to your last meal of the night.

Meal #3: I'd make the Tuna into a Tuna Sanwich or two by using whole grain bread.

Meal #4 (Preworkout): Take out the maltodextrin as you do not need to be crashing in the middle of your workout. Save the maltodextrin for postworkout. Actually, if you wanted to sip on a maltodextrin/dextrose/gatorade drink during your workout, that would be fine.
The protein looks okay, but add in some sort of low GI starch to eat with your protein.

Meal #5 (Postworkout): Bump your whey up to 50-75grams in water. If you drank a sports/'sugar' drink during your workout, then I probably wouldn't have another for this meal. However, if you didn't have/sip on a 'sugar' drink during your workout, then i'd add one in here.

Meal #6: The fish/salad looks good. However, if you feel that you are not gaining weight like you want after a few weeks, you could always add in another low GI/load starch to this meal as well. Trial and error here on your part. Some people are just more sensitive to starches...this is your part to find out where you are at.

Meal #7: Bring back in the cottage cheese here and add in some healthy fats or maybe even a salad with some healthy oils. Again, judging on your body type, you could add in some kind of starch here too if you wanted. You could throw the MetrX in too if you wanted I guess.

Don't be afraid to gain a little fat either.

I just typed this and for some reason, I think I remember you mentioning something about modeling, which may relate to leaning up....dammit. If so, i'd change some things, but will wait until i'm sure before typing up more stuff.

btw...I didn't see the pictures of this guy, as they are not up anymore.

BMJ
 
Trainhd ...nice picture of arnold damn what a bad ass...

Oh Jenetix... your funny bro take it easy.. I'm 26 do I'm probably not over the hill, but you seem to either be one joking around or two actually getting angry bro? I posted the pro football reply because for those stats you'd be a freak which could be possible ; but you don't see me throwing my stats around? I can say this if your post is reality then thats great . I'm 6-2 215 but I'm not as strong but I look stronger. Its really all how you look when the shirt comes off but thats just me bro. I'm sorry you feel I'm some over the hill nerd that has never done shit. So if I throw out that I was a pro baseball pitcher turned gym rat well then I'm just feeling a bit unloved.. good luck bro
 
is this someones alter?

Whiskey
 
this is a funny thread good to know i'm not the only hot head and theres alot of truth about people talking like there big shit over the computer but in reality wouldn't say shit to your face i've found most people that run their mouths are usaully the ones that get there asses kicked anyways.
 
trying2grow101 said:
this is a funny thread good to know i'm not the only hot head and theres alot of truth about people talking like there big shit over the computer but in reality wouldn't say shit to your face i've found most people that run their mouths are usaully the ones that get there asses kicked anyways.


true bro.. this thread sucks
 
Whiskey said:
is this someones alter?

Whiskey

Where you talking about my previous post where I mentioned that?

I don't think so - I was just trying to make a point I guess. Somebody thought "I" was somebody else, I wasn't talking about the thread owner... Anyway, I thought the comment fit into the whole feeling of others questioning the fella who wanted some advice at the beginning of this thread.

Maybe it didn't really relate...I don't know - who the hell knows. I guess this thread is toast.
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Mythicwrld

"We deceive ourselves when we fancy that only weakness needs support. Strength needs it far more."
 
Quadsweep's Sister said:
Where you talking about my previous post where I mentioned that?

I don't think so - I was just trying to make a point I guess. Somebody thought "I" was somebody else, I wasn't talking about the thread owner... Anyway, I thought the comment fit into the whole feeling of others questioning the fella who wanted some advice at the beginning of this thread.

Maybe it didn't really relate...I don't know - who the hell knows. I guess this thread is toast.
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Mythicwrld

"We deceive ourselves when we fancy that only weakness needs support. Strength needs it far more."

No...i think he was referring to the original poster... as in this has got to be a joke...
mmmmm... toast.... (sorry carb cravings are kicking in)
VW
 
I think everybody came down hard on the guy, IMO. I still don't see why the first 6 responders to his original thread had to be negative. I respect a lot of people on this thread and don't wish to offend anybody, but I think judging somebody's strength on their appearance is not very smart. There are guys that are half the size of me and younger (i'm 29) that put me to shame in the strength department. Some of these guys are skin and bones. Like I said, I put up similar numbers when I was 18yo my senior year in high school and was also smaller than this guy in weight. There were guys lighter than me by like 20lbs who were natural and lifting around 4 plates as well.

BMJ
 
MR. BMJ said:
I think everybody came down hard on the guy, IMO. I still don't see why the first 6 responders to his original thread had to be negative. I respect a lot of people on this thread and don't wish to offend anybody, but I think judging somebody's strength on their appearance is not very smart. There are guys that are half the size of me and younger (i'm 29) that put me to shame in the strength department. Some of these guys are skin and bones. Like I said, I put up similar numbers when I was 18yo my senior year in high school and was also smaller than this guy in weight. There were guys lighter than me by like 20lbs who were natural and lifting around 4 plates as well.

BMJ

MR BMJ , first off your diet advice horrible at best. You diet will be great if you add more starch , lol. Then you come down on people for being real. The probability of this guys statements being true are slim to none. Third
people here should not be advocating a 19 year old to do gear. This is reality , there are man children out there but they are few and far between. If you were 19 and had that kinda strength , then why would you come on the board looking for steroid cycles??? Most probably you'd already be doing the stuff... He doesn't even know how to inject the stuff or sterilize it, or to fight the sides depending on what drug he took. This is silly , no matter how you look at it
 
gjohnson5 said:
MR BMJ , first off your diet advice horrible at best. You diet will be great if you add more starch , lol. Then you come down on people for being real. The probability of this guys statements being true are slim to none. Third
people here should not be advocating a 19 year old to do gear. This is reality , there are man children out there but they are few and far between. If you were 19 and had that kinda strength , then why would you come on the board looking for steroid cycles??? Most probably you'd already be doing the stuff... He doesn't even know how to inject the stuff or sterilize it, or to fight the sides depending on what drug he took. This is silly , no matter how you look at it

I don't really think I was 'coming down' on anybody. If people had a problem with the guy using drugs at 19 years old that is okay by me as I agree, but as I mentioned earlier, the first 6 posts had no reference to this in them. Instead, all they had was people doubting his ability to lift those numbers, am I correct? So I want to ask, why the negativity? If using drugs at 19yo was the issue at the beginning of the thread, why didn't people just make reference to this and give him sound advice?

"Then you come down on people for being real. The probability of this guys statements being true are slim to none."

Why do you find it hard that people at 18 yo can lift heavy weight natural? This is retarded. That's almost like saying one guy isn't tough because he doesn't look it. The fact is, there ARE many young kids that can lift heavy poundages with or without the juice.

"If you were 19 and had that kinda strength , then why would you come on the board looking for steroid cycles??? Most probably you'd already be doing the stuff..."

Not everybody that comes to these forums use AAS in case you are unaware of that. Why does anybody come to these forums....to ask questions, and yes mainly about AAS and nutrition. In the case of this poster, all anybody had to do was give him the benefits of waiting longer until he did use. You just can't accuse somebody of taking AAS just because they are stronger than others at a certain age. I'll put it this way, my junior year in high school, I did 2 shots of Primoteston 250, yes it was retarded. I was 17yo. I didn't use any other gear until after my senior year in high school. I lifted 360lbs for 1-rep the last month of m,y senior year. After graduation, I used nonstop until I was 22 years old. I have old posts here at elitefitness starting as early as the search engine will go back (1996) to back this up. I'm not advocating early AAS use, that's not my point even though I did state my beginning use. What I am trying to say is that I could lift those poundages just like him and I wasn't nearly as big as him. I used AAS afterwards because I wanted to get big and strong, no excuses there. Many 19-22 year old football players who are already freaks still use AAS to excell even better at what they do.

Above anything else in this statement by you, can you elaborate on this following quote that you made:

"MR BMJ , first off your diet advice horrible at best. You diet will be great if you add more starch , lol."

So tell me ol' wise one what I could have done better considering that I stated there were many ways he could go about doing it. I wrote up something quick, which may have took all of 3-5 minutes to post. Maybe I should have been more elaborate. However, please correct my mistakes...and remember that when I originally wrote it I thought he was trying to get past a strenght plateau. It didn't register back to me that he was looking for a a more 'model look.' In which case, I stated that I would do things differently. I can debate nutrition all day long guy. If you want to, please feel free to do a search under my name from the Diet board a few years back. I'm sure I could also find a few people to vouch for me on this as well.

Again, I wasn't trying to 'come down' on anybody, even though I kind of knew people would probably feel this way. If I am wrong on this, I will apologize.

BMJ
 
If you don't understand that this board is full of people who lie about thier stats and the dosages of drugs they do and the weights they lift then that you, then you should read some FONZ posts. I've been told he had some awesome advice on dosages of DNP :-) My advise would be don't be so gullible.

I never said it was impossible that a 19 year old could lift such weights. I said it was "few and far between" I believe this to be a true and accurate statement. I think the other term is used was "man child" which also indicates something out of the norm.

If you reread your own diet advise you don't explain anything about the main nutrients to be gotten at
breakfast , lunch , pre workout , port workout or evening.
You didn't explain why each time period is significant. You didn't explain anything about protein , fat or carb calories , nor did you explain a diet that has these macronutrients in percentages. You didn't explain what are good sources of the 3 macronutrients or subdivisions of those macronutrients.
What is a Monosaccharide ?
What is a Disaccharaide??
What is a Polysacchararide??
What is the glycemic index and where does maltodextrin fit in it?
What is a monoglyceride??
What is a diglyceride??
What is a triglyceride??
You talked alot about starches... could I get you to explain what a starch is and how they relate to other types of carbohydrates??? You didn't explain anything to him about resting metabilc rate or basal metabolic rate and how you calorie consuption should revolve around these numbers. In other words , your diet advice sucks...
 
"If you don't understand that this board is full of people who lie about thier stats and the dosages of drugs they do and the weights they lift then that you, then you should read some FONZ posts. I've been told he had some awesome advice on dosages of DNP :-) My advise would be don't be so gullible."

Why because I feel that lifting these weights are not out of the reach for a lot of 18yo's? That doesn't make me gullible when i've seen and lived these accomplishments personally. How is that being gullible? I really don't see how this is so hard to understand.

"I never said it was impossible that a 19 year old could lift such weights. I said it was "few and far between" I believe this to be a true and accurate statement. I think the other term is used was "man child" which also indicates something out of the norm."

I disagree and do not think it is 'true and accurate.' Although a lot of kids cannot do this amount of weight, a lot can do it. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree with this statement though, unless you want to call me a liar when I also say that I lifted it? That's on you though.

I'm not understanding your term "man child" as your english doesn't appear to be very good. You'd have to elaborate on this for me some.

"If you reread your own diet advise you don't explain anything about the main nutrients to be gotten at
breakfast , lunch , pre workout , port workout or evening.
You didn't explain why each time period is significant. You didn't explain anything about protein , fat or carb calories , nor did you explain a diet that has these macronutrients in percentages. You didn't explain what are good sources of the 3 macronutrients or subdivisions of those macronutrients.
What is a Monosaccharide ?
What is a Disaccharaide??
What is a Polysacchararide??
What is the glycemic index and where does maltodextrin fit in it?
What is a monoglyceride??
What is a diglyceride??
What is a triglyceride??
You talked alot about starches... could I get you to explain what a starch is and how they relate to other types of carbohydrates??? You didn't explain anything to him about resting metabilc rate or basal metabolic rate and how you calorie consuption should revolve around these numbers. In other words , your diet advice sucks..."

LOL....You are really making yourself look bad now. Tell me what significance answering and explaining all those terms will accomplish on a post like this? Do you really think it will benefit him much? If you do a search on the diet board back in 2000-2002, you will see that I DID help many people with their diets both on and off the board. I took 3-5 minutes to post some pointers, not to write a book on something. For the record, I have went to such measures in the past on the diet board to explain things such as those you mentioned here, only for most to never respond and ask questions back. I am, not gonna go out of my way unless I know somebody is gonna take in what I write. I learned that a long time ago on the diet board, and i'm sure Mr. X, MS, cockdezl, and a host of others that used to frequent the diet board every day can vouch for that. If somebody wants to ask me questions, while I am helping them, then I will aswer those. I really do not think he was wanting to know any biochemical terms or explanations on this post though. Sometimes simplicity is the best way to go about things at first until more specifics are needed later on. The fact is, the amount of depth you are asking for is erroneous for a post such as this, in fact, what you are asking for is definately 'far and in between.' In all my years on this board, I have never seen anybody go into such depths with a post like this, have you? You still haven't posted or stated on what I can do differently as far as the 'quick' pointers I gave him....I want to learn too. So give some pointers to the kid so he and I can learn from you.

If you want me to answer questions for you GJohnson, then we can take this to the diet board and i'll answer all the questions you want me to. That will be easy considering my degrees are in this field. I don't have a problem with this. And please have them make sense....for example, asking 'how a starch relates to other types of carbohydrates?' is not acceptible.

Thanks!
BMJ
 
I agree with BMJ on this one... Im sorry but 365 at 19 is not a man child... my highschool had a great weightlifting program, we had 18 year old 285's doing close to 500, had a guy in 189 do almost 380... I would say that there were atleast 5 guys in my graduating class of 600 (300 boys) that had crazy strength relative to their body weight... its not THAT uncommon... if he woulda claimed 455 then I can see you calling bullshit... but hey, you might still be wrong, read my previous post...

I think he would come to a board like this because maybe he is scared to go around asking for steroid advice? The anonymous factor is quite comforting...
 
steelmass said:
I agree with BMJ on this one... Im sorry but 365 at 19 is not a man child... my highschool had a great weightlifting program, we had 18 year old 285's doing close to 500, had a guy in 189 do almost 380... I would say that there were atleast 5 guys in my graduating class of 600 (300 boys) that had crazy strength relative to their body weight... its not THAT uncommon... if he woulda claimed 455 then I can see you calling bullshit... but hey, you might still be wrong, read my previous post...

I think he would come to a board like this because maybe he is scared to go around asking for steroid advice? The anonymous factor is quite comforting...

This is stupidity... arguing for the sake of arguing. To you and BMJ . Take 5 and divde that by 600. What do you get??? If you don't understand that .83% is out of the norm then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe you didn't spend enough time in class??? On a national average I bet $1000 that the average is much lower.

But Even though I don't believe a word of what either of you are saying, I'll consider it. The reason I don't believe this is because I come from a part of the country that produce many professional athletes, and even there this numbers are out of the norm. Anyway this was just silly and even at .83% his chances of his story being true are still less then that?
 
MR. BMJ I am said:
I think the real answer is that you don't know anything. I try my best to explain the what's and why so that you will have a full picture. Tell someone to eat more startches without knowing how many calories and carbs he's already eating is what's unnacceptable... If you don't know anytrhing about diet , don't give diet advsie , especially "well just eat more starches..." and probably not sure what a starch is
 
gjohnson5 u go to a an all boys school? in a graduating class of 600 thered be about 300 boys... that means 5/300 were beasts... yes that is a high number but my school was a powerhouse in weightlifting and won state year after year... I understand your skepticism, just saying it is possible...

But seriously you are a good bro and im not trying to jump on this cat's bandwagon and fight you... You know your shit and I understand where you are coming from...
 
Jenetix said:
What position would I play?... Cornerback=toslow, Linebacker=toosmall/weak, WR=tooslow, Safety=they have 43" verts and are faster, you're a fucking idiot...

My 40 time was run many times over by hand and yes many many highschoolers run 4.3s by hand... Do any go straight pro? No...

You even watch football? post a pic of yourself... prolly a 30 year old 30%BF nerd thats never done anything athletic in his life...

(I prolly shouldnt even touch AAS, I can't control myself as it is)

4.3s is very fast i dont know many high schoolers running that but the ones do are playin in the next level of some sport.
 
Trustttttttttttt me!!! If you run a 4.2/4.3 in Los Angeles, you are going to get a full ride at a D-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I read this whole post and he said that if you run a 4.3 hand time then you NEVER jump from highschool to the NFL, which is true regardless... He never said you won't get a full ride d1 and he also said he got a full ride...

BTW hand times are muuuuch different than laser times... Our running back was all-conference (d1) and ran a 4.44. Our Linebacker went pro and ran a 4.74... They woulda shaved .1-.2 easy if it was hand time... laser time counts the second you move a muscle, hand time usually counts when u start moving forward... big difference...
 
littleb said:
its so easy to be tough over a pc where you will PROBABLY never see the person on the other end.. o well i refuse to allow myself to get mad at jr lol, and 30 40 lbs dont mean shit in a street fight son.. :p
so fucking true. i'm a buck 40, still havent had a good ass whippin since the dr. slapped me !!
how many of the guys i fight do you think outweigh me ? exactly :)
 
lefler said:
LMAO! so why didnt you play football on a full scholorship?? that would pay for school. right now with those stats you have the ability to start at many DI schools. i think you inflated your stats just a little to much bro... you aint gonna fool the guys on here.

shit a true 4.5 is fast. thats why i said i think he added just a little to much to his stats...i think hes probably close to what he says but not all the way... he juiced up his stats some for sure. but i bet he is still a strong SOB for his age.
 
lefler said:
shit a true 4.5 is fast. thats why i said i think he added just a little to much to his stats...i think hes probably close to what he says but not all the way... he juiced up his stats some for sure. but i bet he is still a strong SOB for his age.


4.5 is fast.(depending on the position) legit time of course

read this

http://www.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=371822

when i went to stanford my first year (track and field) and all the football dudes would be like "yo i got a 4.2" then they get timed correctly and realize they were way off. alot of ppl are just stupid really believe they run ___ whatever time..
 
"I think the real answer is that you don't know anything."

This is coming from a guy who cannot even type a sentence with proper grammar. Like I said earlier, if you want to ask me questions, then I will be more than happy to answer or debate them with you on the diet board guy.

"I try my best to explain the what's and why so that you will have a full picture."

Show me a post of yours that has the kind of depth on diet and nutrition that you asked me to give. If you have ever went in to such depth, every time for that matter, then please show me this.

"Tell someone to eat more startches without knowing how many calories and carbs he's already eating is what's unnacceptable...."

Obviously you ARE NOT good at reading. I gave 3-5 minutes of my time to give the guy some TIPS, not write a book. Why would I go into such depth unless asked to do so....AGAIN, do you do this for every post or are you being a hypocrit here?

"If you don't know anytrhing about diet , don't give diet advsie , especially "well just eat more starches..." and probably not sure what a starch is."

Obviously you DIDN'T do a search like I suggested, did you? I can guarantee that I have helped many more people with their diet and nutrition than you hands down. Just because I haven't posted much these past 2 years doesn't mean squat. Anybody with any experience here at these boards knows that you do not put more into a post than what is being asked or taken in. It gets old answering the same old diet questions every day without other people putting any effort into learning themselves. Most just want answers and no explanations why something is done....you do know this don't you? Again, if the guy wants to ask me questions, i'll be more than happy to answer them. Until then, i'm not gonna do it. You either understand that or you don't.

About the "Just add in some more starches" statement....

Obviously you DIDN'T read where I mentioned that trial and error is important did you? I can give guestimates all day long, but for any of these people to be successful, they have to eventually be able to understand their own bodies in order for some of their goals to be met. If he wants specifics, then I can give him some. Also, like I mentioned at least twice already, if he were wanting to lean/trim up, I would go about doing things differently.

If you still want me to answer and define all your terms, then I will do so tomorrow. I might do it anyway to shut you the hell up. This is really retarded if you do not think I can answer those. Just in case you do not think I can, try doing a search under most of those terms using my name as a cross-reference (on the diet board) and I can guarantee that you will see that I HAVE went over most those in the past...at great depths.

Have a Nice Day!
BMJ
 
Great post.

I try to help as best I can with nutrition posts. I do not have a dietetic background, but try to provide information about what I have learned these last 8 years of training, competing and learning from various knowledgeable individuals.

It is a great thing to have someone take of their time to post replies who does in fact have this background and is also interested in fitness/training. It takes and additional knowledge to provide nutrition to an athlete who BB or PL, etc., because I think you also have to understand their mind - afraid of eating too much or will get fat syndrome (which is what I come across most often). Thanks for your input.

"You must spread some Karma around before giving it to MR. BMJ again."

Take care.
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Mythicwrld

"We deceive ourselves when we fancy that only weakness needs support. Strength needs it far more."
 
MR. BMJ said:
This is really retarded if you do not think I can answer those. Just in case you do not think I can, try doing a search under most of those terms using my name as a cross-reference (on the diet board) and I can guarantee that you will see that I HAVE went over most those in the past...at great depths.

Have a Nice Day!
BMJ

Whatever , like one said it's a waste of time arguing. Especially here where it's obvious that your hiding... The original poster has given me his thanks for the diet advise I gave him. If you extent of advise is "eat more starch" then you type of help is not helpful.

Anyway I wasted my time and searched for your name on some of the terms that I mentioned on all of elite fitness boards and the search returned 0 (zero) hits. You haven't even used the word "glycemic". Maybe you outta go get your blood sugar checked then...
I wonder how many hits it will bring up when I look up the word starch for you :-)

I'm through... The search proves you don't know anything about diet as I suspected.

Have a nice day
 
I didn't see his pics but his strength stats aren't out of this world at 19. When I was 18 I hit 480 back squat all the way down at a natural weight of 197. Also even though I didn't make it my top priority I still hit a 320 bench at the same weight. As you can see those stats are very possible.
 
"If you reread your own diet advise you don't explain anything about the main nutrients to be gotten at breakfast , lunch , pre workout , port workout or evening."

LOL @ "to be gotten at." Grammar is definately not your strong point is it?

"You didn't explain why each time period is significant. You didn't explain anything about protein , fat or carb calories"

Anyway...because he is only 19 years old, I was trying to give him some EASY tips to follow, and not something too complicated. Basically, I was just trying to add in a few extra calories to his diet, as he really wasn't eating too much. Remember, my whole thread was based on something that would be more benificial towards adding more weight and hopefully strength. Therefore, I tried to add in more starches early on in the day and end it with more veges and slow absorbing foods in the evening and night. YES, I did add to my post that if he wasn't getting any and/or the results he was wanting, he could add in more starches if it helped with progress. This would take some trial and error on his part depending on his goals and maybe appearance if it bothered him. In other words, if he was feeling "flat" he could always add in more starches if it didn't negatively effect him. Adding in healthy fats and EFA's would also be benificial throughout the day and at night. I also try not to add sugary foods with fatty foods, especially if eating above maintenance calories. I don't stress on mixing carbs with fats, only unhealthy fats (i.e. saturated, etc) with sugary/high glycemic carbs. Therefore, I would never add much, if any, fat to my postworkout meal if I was also having a sports drink with it. This is due to any negative effects on insulin resistance and/or sensitivity issues. I feel protein should be ingested throughout the day every few hours for optimal results. The amount for this will vary depending on who you ask. I generally try to consume anywhere between 1.2 to 2.0 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight. This has been the optimal range for ME. You could probably go lower when bulking though, as total ingested calories is probably more important when trying to add in strength and muscle gains.

You may notice that I am not going into very much detail, and that is because, like I mentioned earlier, I wasn't trying to add anything to his post that would make things too difficult for him to try out. How can I get elaborate on a few tips?

In a nutshell....I was trying to add in more starches (low GI/load) and healthy fats to the diet for more calories. For starches, I like to eat most of them early on in the day and with protein and healthy fats. I like to eat more fibrous veges later on in the day, BUT, if I feel that I need to add in more carbs, I am not afraid to do so...CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? This is where a person's own trial and error has to come into play and on the goals they are trying to accomplish. When I did my original "tips," I didn't have much to go on...Do you agree? My pre-workout meal 'normally' consists of some easily digestible proteins, a low GI starch, and a little bit of healthy fat. I'll usually eat this about an hour before my workouts. Sometimes, i'll sip on a Dextrose drink or even a Gatorade drink throughout my workouts. When I do this, I will not add any more of these drinks to my post-workout meal. Instead, I will just drink a fast digesting/absorbing whey protein drink. NOW, If I do not sip on a dextrose/Gatorade drink during my workouts, then I will usually just have one with my whey protein drink post-workout. This is what I do when trying to add a little muscle and strength and do not care of adding a little fat to my frame. When I am dieting, it is different as I will not even drink a dextrose/sports drink. Instead, i'll have my pre-workout meal (which the composition will vary depending on what type of diet I am following) and a whey drink after.

One thing on proteins. I have found it beneficial to eat easily digesting proteins for all my meals preworkout. After my post-workout meal, I will usually concentrate more on eating solid proteins like chicken, beef, steak, beans, cottage cheese, etc. This has made it easier on me for getting more protein in for the first part of the day, then ending it with proteins that will continue to release amino acids for longer periods of time and throughout the night. This is not set in stone either, if I want chicken or red meat during the day, i'll eat it.

"nor did you explain a diet that has these macronutrients in percentages."

I am not gonna cover every damn diet and the benefits of each. I just added a few pointers to what he had written and that was it. I am also not gonna give him a diet with exact amounts and percentages on the info he gave. He has got to do a little bit on his own here. If he needed help, then I would/will do so on helping him. Remember, I originally gave pointers to add in a few extra calories. I am not too ANAL when following a hypercaloric regimine. Get your protein in throughout the day, add in your fats and starches, and toy around with pre/post-workout meals. I can get anal if he wants me too, but until asked, I will not do so. When leaning-up, I DO get anal though.

"You didn't explain what are good sources of the 3 macronutrients or subdivisions of those macronutrients."

Actually, you are forgetting about water, vitamins, and minerals as well. Since you are being so anal on a post like this, don't you think there should have been mention of these as well? OR, are not important?

"What is a Monosaccharide ?"
I don't know how anal you want me to get but in simple terms a monosaccharide is the simplest form of the carbohydrates. Examples of these are glucose (the basic sugar-unit by which carbohydrates are built and broken down to), fructose (found in most fruits), and galactose (a milk sugar). Of course, you could also add in other pentose derivitives such as ribose, arabinose, and xylose if you wanted to.

"What is a Disaccharaide??"
A disaccharide (please spell it write next time) can be thought of as two single sugars (monosaccharides) linked together (by condensation if you wanted to know). These sugars can undergo hydrolysis and be broken back down into monosaccharides. Examples of disaccharides are:
1.) Sucrose (glucose molecule + fructose molecule).
2.) Maltose (Glucose molecule + glucose molecule).
3.) Lactose, a milk sugar. (glucose molecule + galactose molecule).

Uhhhh....aren't you forgetting about oligosaccharides? You know, the ones that are commonly found in most sports bars nowadays?

"What is a Polysacchararide??"

Again you misspell what you are trying to ask.... Polysaccharides are the long chains of monosaccharides (mainly glucose) that form either starch (amylose and amylopectins) and nonstarch polysaccharides (fiber, glycogen, cellulose, hemicelluloses, inulins, lignins, and chitin) in foods.

What is the glycemic index and where does maltodextrin fit in it?

Instead of giving my definition, i'll just give the link to the site that is most commonly accompanied regarding the GI list and GI load of food(s).

http://www.mendosa.com/gilists.htm

What is a monoglyceride??

In order to understand what the next three terms are, you have to know that each are synthesized by a molecule of glycerol and fatty acids. Glycerol is basically a water-soluble alcohol with three carbons and 3 hydroxyl (oh groups) attached to it. Fatty acids are basically chains of carbons with an organic acid. Gee....i'm sure this will really help him with his diet huh?

When 1 fatty acid is reacted with a glycerol molecule it forms a monoacylglycerol

"What is a diglyceride??"

When 2 fatty acids react with a glycerol molecule is creates a diacylglycerol.

"What is a triglyceride??"

When all three hydroxyls of glycerol react with 3 fatty acids, then a triacylglycerol. If one of the three fatty acids are different, then it will become a complex triacylglycrol.

If you want to get into the different types of fatty acids, then you can contribute to this thread by doing so. I'm not gonna do it.

"You talked alot about starches... could I get you to explain what a starch is and how they relate to other types of carbohydrates???"

I already did this. The two basic forms of starch are amylose and amylopectins. You can throw in dextrins and glycogen as well. Amylose is basically an unbranched chain of glucose units (~600 or more) that are linked by alpha-1,4-glycosidic linkages. Amylopectins are branched-chain polysaccharides varying from 600-1500 glucose units linked together by alpha-1,4-glycosidic linkages (the linear portion of the starch) and alpha-1,6-glycosidic linkages (the links present when branching occurs).

Gee, I bet he feels a lot better know.....?...?...?

"You didn't explain anything to him about resting metabilc rate or basal metabolic rate and how you calorie consuption should revolve around these numbers."

If you really want to get anal and use these as your guide and "how you calorie consuption should revolve around these numbers," Then feel free. I don't really ever use them, but you can all you want. Instead, I just multiply my bodyweight by 12 to figure out a general 'range' of calories I will use this as a starting point for my maintenance intake for the day. Obviously, when I am "bulking," it will be much higher, and like I mentioned earlier, I do not get too anal on specifics as long as I am consuming 1.2 to 2.0 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight. Once that is set, I will fill in my fats and carbs as needed. If somebody wants to use a specific diet using specific percentages of F/C/P, then i'll just calculate that out accordingly. There are people here on the boards that can eat 2-3,000 kcals and get fat or not gain muscle......Then you have people that can, and sometimes have to in order to gain muscle, consume 7,000 and above kcals and not even get too fat. It takes trial and error here...do you understand that? Nothing is set in stone.

When leaning-up, I get more anal. Depending on whether you are using a ketogenic diet (or CKD/TKD, etc), isocaloric, 20/30/50, zone, protein/carb cycling diet, etc...etc..., it will vary. Just depends on what is being used.

Just in case....A carbohydrate has 4kcals/gram, a protein has 4kcals/gram, and fat "generally" has 9kcals/gram.

"In other words , your diet advice sucks..."

Sorry i'm so stupid bro.

Have a nice day!
BMJ
 
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