New here, long story but need some advice..

[jacked up 108]

I have spent the last year on cycle without any breaks. I started off a year ago on Sustanon. I started on at 500mg a week for the first 4 weeks. After that I received advice from a personal trainer who has quite the resume for preparing men and women for competition bodybuilding. He is very knowledgable and has helped his clients to many victory's.

Once he caught word that I was going on cycle he offered to help guide me through the process. I told him that my original plan was 12 weeks on at 500mg of sust. After that doing proper PCT using Nolva and Clomid. This seems to be a standard first cycle that is floating around the internet.

This trainer explained to me that this is a "new school" thing and that I didnt need that much Test, especially for my first cycle. He believes that its a "new" idea that "more is better". His personal thoughts and what he has done over the last 15 years using the help of physicians is that "smaller" doses over a "longer" period of time are WAY more beneficial with far better results.

I took what he said to heart and lowered my dose in half by week 5. Running on 250mg a week, I finished out my Sust and moved on to Test E. At that time I also added 100mg of Equipoise to my Test E. I ran on this all summer and fall. About the last 6 weeks I was on the Equipoise and Test E, I added 10mg of Dbol a day. After that, I completely went off the Equipoise and Dbol and brought my Test down to about 125mg a week for 6 weeks until about October of last year.

Since then I have been going up and down trying to find the right dose of Test to run on. Going from 125 to 250 to 500. I cant seem to get this right and have not seen the results that I expected. I have gotten slightly depressed due to not getting the results I had hoped for.

My diet has gone to shit, training has gone to shit as well. I dont want to give up, but need a fresh perspective and possibly new advice. When I consult this trainer friend of mine, he explains that even with the help of juice, it takes years and years to develop thick, hard, dense muscle.

What are some opinions here on this? I know diet is key to this game, and I havent been the greatest at that. However even with my diet being shitty, I STILL would have expected better results than what I have.

During this whole time, my balls shrunk ever so slightly. I dont believe that I ever really fully "shutdown", which i understood to actually be a good thing???

My goal is the same, to be a freaking monster. I just need to find new motivation, and get this cycling thing down right. Rest assured once I get diet, training and the right compounds in the right doses, I expect to explode.

Thanks for reading and any help/thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

 

[GUARDIAN]

it is possible to make LITTLE to NO GAINS with a shitty diet while on cycle. u gotta fix that first.

 

[Faizakafez]

Your asking for drugs to solve your motiviation problems and laziness.

Your depressed becuase your were shooting different doses eveyr week cuz your t-levels to swing up and down.

To fine new motivaition that comes within... not drugs.

 

[sopac]

welcome to the board

 

[jacked up 108]

it is possible to make LITTLE to NO GAINS with a shitty diet while on cycle. u gotta fix that first.

I couldnt agree more, I guess I just pigged out too much on candy and crap and it started in October of last year. Halloween, hahaha it always gets the best of me. Of course after that I developed a "fuckit" attitude and ate what I wanted till now.

I am focusing now on getting my diet back in line. That is first and foremost. Planning meals, getting all my protein in, etc.

However, I would still be curious to know what others here think of taking the long run at steroids without breaking cycle at lower dosages???

Once I get my diet back in line which should be in the next 2 weeks, what would someone recommend I do with regards to dosages and compounds? I have plenty of Test E left, lots of Dbol and Winni as well. I plan to get more Equipoise as that stuff rocked for getting my appetite healthy. Ive been thinking of adding Deca and Tren sometime in the future as well. Obviously not all this stuff at once, I only have one liver. But just experimenting on this journey to see what does what.

8and20, I always like to pick the brains of guys who look the way I want to look. Your pic looks awesome. You carry yourself very lean. What advice would you give specifically? What have you done in the past that has given you that body?

Thanks,

 

[needtogetaas]

welcome to the board

That about sums it up. This guy has a long way to go. Get your Head in the game bro. Diet,training,sleep,and drugs dead last.

 

[smtimelevi]

I would say take a break. Runnin 125mg of test is forever is a waste. I have been doin 10 week cycles and taking breaks with good sucuess. More like 500mg of test with other compounds. But I worked out 4 1/2 years natty with good gains. My best improvements have been changing workout programs when needed. Your body WILL adapt to training regemines after a long enough time. And diet, I say it last but it's a given. Splurge once in a while but you NEED protien carbs and healthy fats.

 

[GUARDIAN]

I couldnt agree more, I guess I just pigged out too much on candy and crap and it started in October of last year. Halloween, hahaha it always gets the best of me. Of course after that I developed a "fuckit" attitude and ate what I wanted till now.

I am focusing now on getting my diet back in line. That is first and foremost. Planning meals, getting all my protein in, etc. post up your planned diet

However, I would still be curious to know what others here think of taking the long run at steroids without breaking cycle at lower dosages??? called hrt and unless u plan on taking steroids for the rest of your life on a weekly/biweekly basis i wouldnt recommend it

Once I get my diet back in line which should be in the next 2 weeks, what would someone recommend I do with regards to dosages and compounds? I have plenty of testosterone enanthate left, lots of Dianabol - methandrostenolone - and Winni as well. I plan to get more Equipoise as that stuff rocked for getting my appetite healthy. Ive been thinking of adding Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and trenbolone sometime in the future as well. Obviously not all this stuff at once, I only have one liver. But just experimenting on this journey to see what does what. did u do any pct? have u had bloodwork done yet? dont start until u r completely recovered.

8and20, I always like to pick the brains of guys who look the way I want to look. Your pic looks awesome. You carry yourself very lean. What advice would you give specifically? What have you done in the past that has given you that body? thx bro! the biggest contributing factor was diet.

Thanks,

see comments in bold

 

[Varga]

Doing low dosages for a long time its called H R T.....it kind of not going to help you out that much. Maybe in the long run it does, like years, but you are not going to see those dramatic results right the way.
The advice you got is prob the worse. Stick with cycling b/c if you stay on too long and want to come off at some point it's a biatch....you think you depressed now.....wait till you have no natural test production....
Get off of what you doing, do a P C T, get back to normal and then study how to correctly do a cycle, eat big, lift hard and grow.
Good luck to you

 

[khemix]

I have spent the last year on cycle without any breaks. I started off a year ago on Sustanon. I started on at 500mg a week for the first 4 weeks. After that I received advice from a personal trainer who has quite the resume for preparing men and women for competition bodybuilding. He is very knowledgable and has helped his clients to many victory's.

Stop listening to this trainer friend of yours. He doesn't know wtf hes talking about. You're taking steroids to get bigger, faster than everyone else. Atleast I'm sure thats part of it. So if you're going to take them, plz try to trust the 10+ years of our forum and the thousands of experienced individuals all coming together to find the best, most effective, safest way to juice.

I almost entirely attribute my physique to the knowledge, help, and advice of this forum.

Since then I have been going up and down trying to find the right dose of Test to run on. Going from 125 to 250 to 500. I cant seem to get this right and have not seen the results that I expected. I have gotten slightly depressed due to not getting the results I had hoped for.

Thats only part of the reason you're depressed. Your hormone levels are all f'ed up and that can cause all kinda of emotional issues.

My diet has gone to shit, training has gone to shit as well. I dont want to give up, but need a fresh perspective and possibly new advice. When I consult this trainer friend of mine, he explains that even with the help of juice, it takes years and years to develop thick, hard, dense muscle.

There is a difference between density and size. I was one who juiced a little too early, but i definantly have ALOT more dense muscle that I would have had without juice.

As far as diet, keep an eye out for Needtogetas' book. Its gonna have ample good info that even advanced users are gonna want.

What are some opinions here on this? I know diet is key to this game, and I havent been the greatest at that. However even with my diet being shitty, I STILL would have expected better results than what I have.

Diet, diet, diet, diet. I got more out of my last cycle than any of my previous (roughly 6), and was using less gear that on 4 previous cycles. And the difference: my diet!

During this whole time, my balls shrunk ever so slightly. I dont believe that I ever really fully "shutdown", which i understood to actually be a good thing???

Yes, thats a good thing, if its true. The way your body works is, you start puting synthetic test in, and its like "hey, theres already test here, i dont need to make it" so your body slows and virtually stops production. Thus your gentlemen draw up (some more than others) and sometimes your amount of ejaculation decreases. Your sperm is still active, fyi.

PCT - post cycle therapy - is going to be your key, and then bloodwork afterward, if you can. Someone with better PCT knowledge than myself (needto?) will help here.

My goal is the same, to be a freaking monster. I just need to find new motivation, and get this cycling thing down right. Rest assured once I get diet, training and the right compounds in the right doses, I expect to explode.

As are most of our goals as well bro. Listen up and stick around. Learn a bit and then dive in. You'll do 100x better.

Good luck bro

Chris

 

[Nelson Montana]

I have spent the last year on cycle without any breaks. I started off a year ago on Sustanon. I started on at 500mg a week for the first 4 weeks. After that I received advice from a personal trainer who has quite the resume for preparing men and women for competition bodybuilding. He is very knowledgable and has helped his clients to many victory's.

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PEAKING FOR A COMPETITION AND LONG TERM GOALS REQUIRE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT APPROACHES.


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Once he caught word that I was going on cycle he offered to help guide me through the process. I told him that my original plan was 12 weeks on at 500mg of Sustanon. After that doing proper PCT - post cycle therapy - using Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - and Clomid. This seems to be a standard first cycle that is floating around the internet.

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AND THE INTERNET IS OFTEN WRONG.


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This trainer explained to me that this is a "new school" thing and that I didnt need that much Test, especially for my first cycle. He believes that its a "new" idea that "more is better".


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MORE IS MORE -- MORE GAINS, MORE SIDES.



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His personal thoughts and what he has done over the last 15 years using the help of physicians is that "smaller" doses over a "longer" period of time are WAY more beneficial with far better results.

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TIME IS MORE SUPPRESSIVE THAN DOSAGE. YOU'D BE BETTER OFF DOING A GRAM A WEEK FOR A MONTH THAN 100MGS A WEEK FOR A YEAR.


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I took what he said to heart and lowered my dose in half by week 5. Running on 250mg a week, I finished out my Sust and moved on to testosterone enanthate. At that time I also added 100mg of Equipoise to my Test E. I ran on this all summer and fall. About the last 6 weeks I was on the Equipoise and Test E, I added 10mg of Dianabol - methandrostenolone - a day. After that, I completely went off the Equipoise and Dbol and brought my Test down to about 125mg a week for 6 weeks until about October of last year.

Since then I have been going up and down trying to find the right dose of Test to run on. Going from 125 to 250 to 500. I cant seem to get this right and have not seen the results that I expected. I have gotten slightly depressed due to not getting the results I had hoped for.

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THERE'S NO MAGIC DOSAGE. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE DONE TOO MUCH FOR TOO LONG WITHOUT A SOLID BASE OF NATURAL TRAINING AND NOW THE GAINS HAVE STOPPED.


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My diet has gone to shit, training has gone to shit as well. I dont want to give up, but need a fresh perspective and possibly new advice.

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DON'T LET YOUR DIET AND TRAINING GO TO SHIT. HOW'S THAT FOR GOOD ADVICE?



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When I consult this trainer friend of mine, he explains that even with the help of juice, it takes years and years to develop thick, hard, dense muscle.

What are some opinions here on this? I know diet is key to this game, and I havent been the greatest at that. However even with my diet being shitty, I STILL would have expected better results than what I have.

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SO WHAT ARE YOU ASKING?


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During this whole time, my balls shrunk ever so slightly. I dont believe that I ever really fully "shutdown", which i understood to actually be a good thing???


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WHAT?
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My goal is the same, to be a freaking monster. I just need to find new motivation, and get this cycling thing down right. Rest assured once I get diet, training and the right compounds in the right doses, I expect to explode.

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START WITH GETTING IN SHAPE, THEN GO TO BEING A MONSTER. I GET THIS ALL THE TIME. I ALSO TEACH MUSIC AND GET IT THERE TOO. KIDS WANT TO PLAY LIKE VIRTUOSO'S BUT DON'T WANT TO PRACTICE THEIR SCALES. YOU'RE LOOKING FOR "THE RIGHT COMPOUND" WHICH IS THE THINKING OF A LOSER.


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Thanks for reading and any help/thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

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TRAIN HARD. EAT RIGHT. LEARN WHAT SUPPLEMENTS CAN HELP. PUT IT ALTOGETHER. GOOD LUCK.

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[jacked up 108]

Good luck bro

Chris

So it seems as though most are feeling like its just plain time to come off. I have plenty of Clomid and Nolva to do a proper PCT as I have studied.

I studied this stuff for 2 years before starting this stuff. But like I said, the original plan went to shit and I followed some different advice.

Will get my diet back in place, gym back to normal and go from there. In the mean time, looks like I need to get PCT in the motions. I will wait 10 days from my last shot and then ramp up on my stuff.

Plan to pick all your brains for a better cycle in the near future. I believe I have enough to PCT for about 12 weeks. Hope this does the trick.

Any more advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

 

[khemix]

So it seems as though most are feeling like its just plain time to come off. I have plenty of Clomid and Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - to do a proper PCT - post cycle therapy - as I have studied.

I studied this stuff for 2 years before starting this stuff. But like I said, the original plan went to shit and I followed some different advice.

Will get my diet back in place, gym back to normal and go from there. In the mean time, looks like I need to get PCT in the motions. I will wait 10 days from my last shot and then ramp up on my stuff.

Plan to pick all your brains for a better cycle in the near future. I believe I have enough to PCT for about 12 weeks. Hope this does the trick.

Any more advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Youll wanna consider throwing in some HCG. Wheres needto at? I cant recall the dosing, etc.

 

[jumpmaster82]

That about sums it up. This guy has a long way to go. Get your Head in the game bro. Diet,training,sleep,and drugs dead last.

exactly!!!!^^^^

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

Definitely agree about the diet. I was running a deca/masteron cycle previously to the one I am on now. In 6 weeks I gained only 2 lbs cause I wasn't eating right. Then in just the last 2 weeks of the cycle I put on 3 lbs because I set up a diet plan.

Now I'm on a test/tren/masteron cycle and I put on 4lbs this first week. That is because of diet.

Like everyone else said, get off the gear, get your routine in check (good diet, good exercise plan, and almost as important as the diet -- good sleep) then when you are doing that well natty come back and try another cycle (if you even want to).

 

[navigatorrs]

I would post up what you are going to run exactly for PCT(dosages,etc.). Dont mess that up bro. The guys here will let you know if your PCT is setup right!!

 

[needtogetaas]

Youll wanna consider throwing in some HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - . Wheres needto at? I cant recall the dosing, etc.

Been here the whole time. If he wants help he will ask for it. Looks like he is going to go off on his own with the clomid nolva. Ill just wait for that to not work then he can come back and get help after.

 

[jacked up 108]

Been here the whole time. If he wants help he will ask for it. Looks like he is going to go off on his own with the clomid Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - . Ill just wait for that to not work then he can come back and get help after.

Yikes, getting a bit of flamage here. Thats ok, I just consider it constructive feedback anyway.

Keep in mind that I have been running on very, very low dosages. While most fellas out there are running at 500mg Test a week, I am doing 1/4th that. As I speculated before, I dont know if I ever really shut down my own Test production. My balls are just as big as I remember them ever being natural so I doubt that my PCT is going to be super complicated.

I have spoke with other experienced guys on other boards as well that doubt I would even need PCT. Sometimes kicking back and waiting to see what happens, then addressing and taking what I need, when I need it. Im not sure I completely subscribe to that theory though, but it was suggested to me.

Usually when guys are following a similar cycle to mine, they will ramp up with 100mg Clomid a day along with 40mg Nolva for the first 2 weeks, then tapering down the next 2 weeks and again and so forth until completing whatever they felt was enough to jumpstart thier boys again.

In my case however, i seriously doubt that I will encounter the probs that others would have if they didnt do a more thorough PCT. I planned to do at least half the dosage of what others do in this regard. I also have some AIFM that I can use as an added measure. Obviously if I run into problems, I have plenty of stuff on hand, and can ramp up the dosage as necessary.

I must admit that I am weary of high dosages of Clomid due to the sides that I have commonly read from others. Dizziness, blurred vision, etc. I would like to avoid this at all costs if I can.

I know I know I know that HCG would probably have been the better choice in place of Clomid. However the supplier I currently have, does not carry that item and so I must use what I can get my hands on.

I opted to NOT use Aromasin or Arimidex while on cycle mostly due to not wanting to block receptors. Again with the low low doses that I have been on, I never felt the need.

Having said all that, clearly what I have "been" doing is not giving me the results that I would hope to achieve. So I am looking to get back on track with diet, training, and then cross the road of adding extra supplementation again.

My thoughts for a future cycle would be...

Using Test Cyp for a try. Probably looking to go with what I originally would have like to at 500mg a week. 12-14 weeks max.

Front loading with dbol for the first 4-6 weeks. Prob using a higher dose than before, maybe 30mg max a day...

Also adding Equipoise again, but upping to dose prob to 400mg a week. This I will do alongside the Test for the full 12-14 weeks.

Then of course I will get some Aromasin or Arimidex to have on hand in case I start to run into any problems. These I would ONLY use if I absolutely need them. Anyone who knows how these works understands that this stuff BLOCKS receptors. If you are going to block receptors, then you are wasting alot of gear.

This will be followed with a much more extensive PCT using probably better products like HCG. I hope my response isnt stepping on your guys toes too much. I do want feedback for sure. Thanks in advance for your help guys.

 

[mr.nitro]

quote: When I consult this trainer friend of mine, he explains that even with the help of juice, it takes years and years to develop thick, hard, dense muscle.


this is the truth. when I first started I was disapointed too. it deffinetly didn't blow me up like I assumed. gains take time. every lb. counts.

 

[jacked up 108]

quote: When I consult this trainer friend of mine, he explains that even with the help of juice, it takes years and years to develop thick, hard, dense muscle.


this is the truth. when I first started I was disapointed too. it deffinetly didn't blow me up like I assumed. gains take time. every lb. counts.

True, out of all the things this trainer has told me, I believe this the most. He actually told me that Steroids are completely overrated in developing huge amounts of muscle. Although they are necessary to build the physique that I am looking for, he told me that even with the help of gear, it still takes time.

So just an update to everyone else who chimed in, I will be starting my PCT in the next week. My last shot was January 12th @ 125mg of Test and I believe the ester in Test E, lasts about 8-10 days. I will ramp up my Clomid and Nolva, then slowly taper off that stuff in the weeks to follow. Im thinking 50mg a day of Clomid and 20mg a day of Nolva should be sufficient since I am running at 125mg of Test a week.

If I am way off base here, please someone chime in and correct me. Again I figured, low dose in gear, low doses needed in PCT. Am I wrong? Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. I also have several bottles of AIFM on hand and will do the typical 1-2 pumps a day to help with any sides.

Thanks,