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Nelson vs. Mr. X (milk question)

NapoleanComplex

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From post research:

Nelson: an advocate of milk w/ protein shake
Mr. X: avoid milk at all costs

Both have fairly good arguments. Who is correct and why?
 
i think mr x is mostly against milk during cutting. and certainly on ckd, tkd, or ketogenic diets in general
 
its not the milk thats bad...its the homogenization and pasteurization processes they put it through.

Raw milk is great...but quite expensive. Go with soy.
 
Easy.......

Milk while bulking
Milkless while cutting
 
I like milk. I stick to skim and 1%, myself. I don't notice any bloat with it. I stay lean year round. I think that if your body produces the necessary by-products to digest it and you aren't allergic to it (and don't know it), why not?
 
Soy is not better for a host of reasons, which I forget for right now, but as I recall, it is better to stick to the real deal if you want milk. You can try the lactose free kind of skim milk if you want to avoid the sugar content.
 
it's a matter of individual preference...and whether you can tolerate milk or not. I have bulked using milk and no milk..and i can easily say that with milk in my diet (about a half a gallon+ a day) i was much smoother and had more internal digestion problems. This was while taking Lactaid tablets too..

i have completely eliminated milk all together (except maybe 8 oz's in the morning with oatmeal) and i have far less water retention and my stomach isn't always killing me.

if you can tolerate it, great...
if you can't..it's doing more damage than good.
 
JuicePimp said:
Soy is not better for a host of reasons, which I forget for right now, but as I recall, it is better to stick to the real deal if you want milk. You can try the lactose free kind of skim milk if you want to avoid the sugar content.


if you forget, then don't bother mentioning such things, I think it's bad to give improper impressions, this is how rumours get started, and rumours is what cause so much confusion in this industry.

Make a statement if you believe in it, but please atleast be prepared to back it up in some form if called out on it. :)

no hard feelings...
 
i heard that Milk protein is barely digestable because we lose certain enzymes when we get older.... older as in after early childhood...
 
TxLonghorn said:


No hard feelings here, but soy is poison. I won't touch the stuff, but you do what you want.

Okay, first I'd like you to elaborate on why you think this.. (It is your statement right?) and preferebly accompany it with some human scientific research (not any opinion pieces please, unless your original statement is the opinion of someone else, then post their 'opionion piece' for evaluation). Please explain how your view relates to the human, scientific research presented, so the rest of us at elite here can benefit from your knowledge on this topic.

thanks.
 
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Raw milk is good? why? Because you get a tiny bit more micro nutrients? big deal. eat some raw spinach and take live pro-biotics..

I love good ole 2% - can't live w/o it.
 
I would love to hear alot on this seeing as I am a huge milk drinker i love it but maybe that is what is keeping me from dropping off this last layer of fat around my stomach. I do only drink 1% though but I always have it with my shakes and breakfast and with everything i guess I drink maybe like a gallon every 2-3 days.
 
calveless wonder said:
and had more internal digestion problems.

Same case here. Milk definitely gives me digestive problems. I can tolerate a little, but if I drink it even somewhat regularly I get diarrhea real bad.

I have also correlated milk to exacerbating my eczema condition. Whenever I start drinking milk I get little flare ups on my fingers of eczema.
 
Swolenpecs said:
i heard that Milk protein is barely digestable because we lose certain enzymes when we

I have never heard of the protein. But milk sugar (lactose) may be problem. Some people lack the enzyme or it may not work well.
 
I tried answering this a couple of times but someone keeps fucking with my posts. So I'll just say, if you don't have a problem with it, milk is great for bulking, but not for cutting.
 
I love the Organic Valley milk from Whole Foods. Yeah it’s $5 a gallon, but it tastes so much better. Actually the best tasting is the grass-fed cow milk, but it doesn’t last long. You’re lucky if you can find it with a “sell by” date prior to one week.
 
Well, i only drink milk with my latte in the morning and that's it. All other times, i use water if i have a shake. that's still not bad even if i am cutting. no?
 
OK...read this, but be forewarned it IS long...but worth it.

If we look at nature, we see that the young feed exclusively on milk until weaned away from it with other foods. The natural disappearance of the milk-digesting enzyme lactase from the human system upon reaching maturity proves that adult humans have no more nutritional need for milk than adult tigers or chimpanzees.

Though milk is a complete protein food when consumed raw, it also contains fat, which means that it combines poorly with any other food except itself. Yet adults today routinely 'wash down' other foods with cold milk. Milk curdles immediately upon entering the stomach, so if there is other food present the curds coagulate around other food particles and insulate them from exposure to gastric juices, delaying digestion long enough to permit the onset of putrefaction. Therefore, the first and foremost rule of milk consumption is, 'Drink it alone, or leave it alone.'

Today, milk is made even more indigestible by the universal practice of pasteurization, which destroys its natural enzymes and alters its delicate proteins.

Raw milk contains the active enzymes lactase and lipase, which permit raw milk to digest itself. Pasteurized milk, which is devitalized of lactase and other active enzymes, simply can not be properly digested by adult stomachs, and even infants have trouble with it, as evidenced by colic, rashes, respiratory ailments, gas and other common ailments of bottle-fed babies. The lack of enzymes and alteration of vital proteins also renders the calcium and other mineral elements in milk largely unassailable.

During the 1930's, Dr. Francis M. Pottenger conducted a 10-year study on the relative effects of pasteurized and raw milk diets on 900 cats. One group received nothing but raw whole milk, while the other was fed nothing but pasteurized whole milk from the same source.

The raw milk group thrived, remaining healthy, active and alert throughout their lives, but the group fed on pasteurized milk soon became listless, confused and highly vulnerable to a host of chronic degenerative ailments normally associated with humans, including heart disease, kidney failure, thyroid dysfunction, respiratory ailments, loss of teeth, brittle bones, liver inflammation, etc.

But what caught Dr. Pottenger's attention most was what happened to the second and third generations.

The first offspring of the pasteurized milk group were all born with poor teeth and small, weak bones- a clear cut sign of calcium deficiency, which indicated lack of calcium absorption from pasteurized milk.

The offspring of the raw milk group remained as healthy as their parents.

Many of the kittens in third generation of the pasteurized group were stillborn, while those that survived were all sterile and unable to reproduce.

The experiment had to end there because there was no fourth generation of cats fed on pasteurized milk, although the raw milk group continued to breed and thrive indefinitely.

If that is insufficient proof of the ill effects of pasteurized milk, take note of the fact even that newborn calves fed on pasteurized milk taken from their own mother cows usually die within six months, a fact which the commercial dairy industry is loathe to admit.

Despite such scientific evidence in favor of raw milk and against pasteurized milk, and despite the fact that until the early twentieth century the human species thrived on raw milk, it is actually illegal to sell raw milk to consumers in all but a few states in America today.

It is far more profitable to the dairy industry to pasteurize milk to extend its shelf-life, though such denatured milk does nothing whatsoever to extend human life.

Furthermore, pasteurization renders milk from sick cows in unsanitary dairies relatively 'harmless' by killing some, but not all, dangerous germs, and this too cuts costs for the dairy industry.

It required only three generations for Dr. Pottenger's pasteurized milk fed cats to become sterile and enfeebled. That's about how many generations of Americans and Europeans have fed on pasteurized milk. Today, infertility has become a major problem for your American couples, while calcium deficiency has become so rampant that over 90 percent of all American children suffer chronic tooth decay.

To make things worse, milk is now routinely 'homogenized' to prevent the cream from separating from the milk. This involves the fragmentation and pulverization of the fat molecules to the point that they will not separate from the rest of the milk. But it also permits there tiny fragments of milk fat to easily pass through the villa of the small intestine, greatly increasing the amount of denatured fat and cholesterol absorbed by the body. In fact, you absorb more milk-fat from homogenized milk than you do from pure cream!

Women worried about osteoporosis should take note of these facts about pasteurized milk products. That such denatured milk does not deliver sufficient calcium to prevent this condition is abundantly evident from the fact that American women, who consume great quantities of pasteurized milk products, suffer the world's highest incidence of osteoporosis.

Raw cabbage, for example, supplies far more available calcium than any quantity of pasteurized milk, yogurt, cottage cheese, or any other denatured dairy product.

Recent studies at the Human Research Centre in Grand Folks, North Dakota, indicates that the element boron is also an essential factor in absorbing calcium from food and utilizing it to build bones.

Even more noteworthy, the level of estrogen in the blood of women given sufficient quantities of boron more than doubled, eliminating the need for estrogen replacement therapy, which is a common stopgap measure against osteoporosis in the West. And where do we find boron? In fresh fruits and vegetables, especially apples, pears, grapes, nuts, cabbage, and other leafy vegetables, where we also find calcium. Nature has already provided abundant sources of all the vital nutrients we need in synergetic form, but man insists on cooking and processing them to death, and then wonders why his diet doesn't 'work'.

Adults should seriously reconsider milk as a constitute of their daily diets, unless they are able to obtain raw certified milk, which is an excellent food.

To stuff children with pasteurized milk in order to make them grow 'strong and healthy' is sheer folly, because they simply cannot assimilate the nutrients.

Indeed men, women, and children alike should eliminate all pasteurized dairy products from their diets, for these denatured dairy products only gum up the intestines with layer upon layer of slimy sludge that interferes with the absorption of organic nutrients."

Now, do a google search on Trophology.
 
Anakin, they're both complete proteins, while amino acid amounts may differe amino acid to amino acid, decide what is of importance to you, if you were referring to biological value, yes I believe cow milk has a higher biological value, however; this is only 1 factor to consider, if that was all that was important then it would be optimal to just get all your protein from whey shakes... which we know isn't the case, it's too rapidly digested.

To your other concerns about estrogenic qualities found in predominately 2 isoflavones in soy products, I made a small post about this on the diet discussion board the other week, this was just a compilation of some thoughts and studies I had on my computer, I could go into much greater detail if anyone would like.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=278301
 
ceo, thanks for that great post. I am seriously going to make an effort to get organic milk here in MI. Dang, i just drank 1/2 liter for lunch with a big roast beef chunk. :(
 
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HOLY SHIT this is the best news I have heard in quite some time no freakin wonder I can't get my BF down and drop offthis freakin fat around my stomach I live on milk practically I drink it with everything I have it in my shakes. Man I even have considered just giving up cause for like 2 months I have had almost no change in my stomach and waist size I have been dieting working out hard and doing cardio jeeeessss man I am so happy only water from here on out. I have a renewed vigor


THANKS NELSON and CEO!!!!!!!!!!
 
hah, believe it or not, I saw an ad in a magazine from US dairy council claiming it is a wise decision to replace the recommended 8 glasses of water per day with milk, and that milk helps you loose "weight" due to calcium... heck... if I added 8 glasses of milk to my diet per day, I know I wouldn't be loosing "weight" lol
 
Variation, I cannot remember all of the research I did nor all of the specific reasons why, but I remember reading the research and it was clear that soy was bad. That's how I am about research. I read, read, read some more, make the conclusion and remember that. I only go back if new info is found on something. I'm not going to retrace my steps just to try to prove to you something.

Believe it or not, do your own research or not, but soy is, and this is obviously my opinion, poison. I find it very sad that soy is touted as a healthy substitute for anything. And I'm the guy who thinks dnp isn't all that bad, lol.
 
NapoleanComplex said:
From post research:

Nelson: an advocate of milk w/ protein shake
Mr. X: avoid milk at all costs

Both have fairly good arguments. Who is correct and why?

All you have to do is avoid lactos. Just buy some lactose-free milk and you'll avoid the bloating. Thats what i do.

Fonz
 
Not a very practic approach in my opinion TxLonghorn... There are however, probably a lot of things you consume that are poisonous, you just haven't researched them. It's best not to give opinions on matters unless you're prepared to stand behind it, so something can actually be accomplished.

But yeah, I agree with you. I don't think DNP is "all that bad" when used within a certain range, like a lot of things.
 
I've never seen it either.
 
Re: Re: Nelson vs. Mr. X (milk question)

Fonz said:


All you have to do is avoid lactos. Just buy some lactose-free milk and you'll avoid the bloating. Thats what i do.

Fonz

If you read all that goes into producing milk and all the 'junk' that's in it, I'm sure you'd agree that it's not just a lactose issue.

Of course that hasn't stopped me from having it around on a cheat day with cereal and cookies :-P
 
TxLonghorn said:
Variation, I cannot remember all of the research I did nor all of the specific reasons why, but I remember reading the research and it was clear that soy was bad. That's how I am about research. I read, read, read some more, make the conclusion and remember that. I only go back if new info is found on something. I'm not going to retrace my steps just to try to prove to you something.

Believe it or not, do your own research or not, but soy is, and this is obviously my opinion, poison. I find it very sad that soy is touted as a healthy substitute for anything. And I'm the guy who thinks dnp isn't all that bad, lol.

Here's some research to help back up what you say :-P

Why Soy Can Damage Your Health
 
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EngiCream said:


If you read all that goes into producing milk and all the 'junk' that's in it, I'm sure you'd agree that it's not just a lactose issue.

Of course that hasn't stopped me from having it around on a cheat day with cereal and cookies :-P

Its called Lactaid. It tastes much better than normal milk IMO.

Fonz
 
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Fonz said:


Its called Lactaid. It tastes much better than normal milk IMO.

Fonz

Because it's sweeter than normal milk because the lactose has been broken down into simpler sugars.

As for the comment on being practical, imo my approach is the most practical. I am not trying to convert anybody over to anything, nor will I do your research for you. I have researched the hell out of nutrition, training, and endocrinology. Once I have done research, all I care about is the conclusion.

And that conclusion is...soy is poison.
 
only reason I would say no milk in a p w/o shake...

(read somethign about this on another site)
Homogenized skim milk still slows digestion due to casein and lactose bonding to stomach walls, decreasing effective surface area for whey to pass through... the longer the whey sits in the stomach, the more aminos are destroyed... thus, b/c you want your whey to be absorbed as quickly as possible, as is its nature... stick with water. All other times of the day, *despite the sugar, I think milk has some very valid applications
 
First off, I would like to apologize for the late response, for I don’t check the Anabolic board often enough – diet board mostly.

To answer the question, I would have to not generalize milk as being the god of all evil, but I would rather give you, the reader, the ability to judge for yourself whether you think milk is appropriate for you. Keep in mind that my opinions are biased for I am a big opponent of drinking “modern” milk. By definition, “modern” milk is milk that is produced from non-organic cows.

Where does milk come from?
Milk is a product that is these days produced from “super” cows; by definition, these cows are usually drugged to the maximum, anything from steroids to antibiotics is what keeps them alive. In fact, most of these “super” cows have “abnormally large pituitary glands so that they produce three times more milk than the old fashioned scrub cow.” (1) Although abnormal steroid, growth hormone and antibiotic intake might sound ok to us; in reality, it can cause problems with the end product – milk. Think of it this way; ever see a 12 year old girl w/ DD breasts, ask her how much milk has she been drinking? It’s a known fact that some of these hormones that are given to cows can pass the pasteurization process and harm us. Yes, a ton of antibiotics can be harmful.
(1) http://www.mercola.com/article/milk/no_milk.htm

PASTEURIZATION
When “super” cow milk is pasteurized, most of the enzymes for digesting the milk – most notably, lactase, galactase, and phosphatase – are destroyed. Thus, without the highly needed enzymes, the milk is very hard to digest. In fact, the pancreas is not always able to produce these enzymes; in turn, the long term stress on the pancreas can lead to diabetes and other diseases. (2)
(2) American Diabetes Association: http://www.diabetes.org


VITAMINS
Most milk has synthetic vitamin D added; as a result, synthetic vitamin D has been known to be toxic to the liver (3), and it is added to replace the natural vitamin D complex in butterfat…..
(3) http://www.brandywinechiropractic.com/vitamins/vitamind.htm


MILK AND INDIGESTION:
Definition
Indigestion, which is sometimes called dyspepsia, is a general term covering a group of nonspecific symptoms in the digestive tract. It is often described as a feeling of fullness, bloating, nausea, heartburn, or gassy discomfort in the chest or abdomen. The symptoms develop during meals or shortly afterward. In most cases, indigestion is a minor problem that often clears up without professional treatment.
Description
Indigestion or dyspepsia is a widespread condition, estimated to occur in 25% of the adult population of the United States. Most people with indigestion do not feel sick enough to see a doctor; nonetheless, it is a common reason for office visits. About 3% of visits to primary care doctors are for indigestion.
Causes and symptoms
Physical causes
The symptoms associated with indigestion have a variety of possible physical causes, ranging from commonplace food items to serious systemic disorders:
• Diet. Milk, milk products, alcoholic beverages, tea, and coffee cause indigestion in some people because they stimulate the stomach's production of acid…..
Ref: http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/indigestion.html


At this point, it’s a little late my time, so I’m off to bed, but here is some other reading that can be helpful in your decision not to drink milk. Also, remember, I am not saying do not, under any circumstances, drink milk – only a blind fool would recommend that, all I’m saying is that milk is not the best product to go with for your diet. Personally, as stated beforehand, I am a big opponent of milk and consider it a big waste of money, and stomach space.

Readings:
http://www.ejnet.org/bgh/nogood.html
White Poison: The Horrors of Milk: http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=12002

Mr.X
 
Before I go, I just thought of a great quote by Arnold:

"Milk is for babies....!"

Mr.X
 
I do love milk and milk products, and will continue to drink them. But ... it is true ... Humans are the only species who drink Milk after infancy. Kind of makes you wonder if we really should still be drinking this.

I had posted this on the previous argument. Its an article I have read on whether you should mix your whey protein with Milk or not. Take what you want from it ... I always mix with a dextrose based mix ... sometimes crystal light.

Mixing whey with dairy milk does not provide optimal results

At first, it may seem strange to learn that whey protein should not be mixed in milk or milk products like yogurt and ice cream. After all, most whey protein supplements taste better in milk than in water and whey protein is obtained by collecting the clear fluid (called whey) produced during the processing of cheese.

But let’s consider some of the following facts:

The enzymes necessary to break down and digest milk are renin and lactase. They are all but gone by the age of three in most humans.
There is an element in all milk known as casein and there is three hundred times more casein in cow’s milk than in human’s milk. Casein coagulates in the stomach and forms large, tough, dense, difficult-to-digest curds that are adapted to the four-stomach digestive apparatus of a cow. Once inside the human system, this thick mass of goo puts a tremendous burden on the body to somehow get rid of it.
Unfortunately some of this gooey substance hardens and adheres to the lining of the intestines and prevents the absorption of nutrients into the body.
The most serious difficulty with milk consumption is the formation of mucus in the system. This mucus coats the mucous membranes and also seriously affects absorption.
To fully understand why whey protein supplements should not be mixed with milk, this knowledge should be combined with a review of the technology that goes into high quality whey protein supplements. Whey protein isolate, a highly separated fraction found only in top quality products, is very expensive and has an extremely high bioavailability (meaning it is very easily utilized by the body) because its particle sizes are so small. Whey protein concentrate has also gone through a huge amount of separation from the original starting material and the major waste product in this procedure is casein. This casein is then sold to other companies which produce low grade products. If you were to check out the ingredients on your favorite pudding desert, for example, you will likely see sodium caseinate because it is a cheap product that provides substance.

The idea behind a high quality whey protein is particle size. Digestion is most effective when particles are small enough to be taken up by the cells of the intestine. If food is not broken down into small enough pieces the body will simply NOT be able to use it. All research on the absorption of food reaches the same conclusion: the bigger the molecule, the more difficulty it has penetrating the mucus barrier lining the intestines.

So, why not mix milk and whey protein? Milk contains a lot of casein which adheres to the intestinal wall and blocks the absorption of the smaller whey protein molecules. Also, it generates a barrier of mucus internally which not only drives down the absorption of protein, but also the absorption of other vital nutrients.

The solution? Mix your whey protein in water, your favorite juice or a non-lactose beverage such as soy milk and benefit as much as possible from your protein supplement.
 
mlong23 said:
Ceo, where did you acquire that info. It is very interesting.

I've known that info for quite some time now. I remember it from articles on trophology (the science of food combining). I did a google search to see if I could pull up info for that post and I was successful. Here is the link I got from google:

http://www.hps-online.com/food/

Check the bottom of the page on the left hand side.
 
Anakin said:
CEO, is taking milk protein powder bad for absorbtion too?

I dont know much about milk protein powders. But, if the powder is made from pasteurized, homogenized milk, I would assume it would not be good.
 
alltraps said:
does the parturization process apply to cottage cheese? i live off that shit. [/QUOTE

yes. read that post I made again.
 
What about Organic Milk? The cows are not given hormones and antibiotics and are fed with natural food ? Would that be the best of both worlds?
 
Mr.X said:
Before I go, I just thought of a great quote by Arnold:

"Milk is for babies....!"

Mr.X

You gotta finish the quote!

"Milk is for babies, when your a man, you drink beer"
 
Txlonghorn: ok, with your method of thinking, several decades ago I could have concluded that steroids don't build muscle, this was based in improperly done research and had an army of doctors to support it... hell go a few centuries back and I could conclude the earth is flat, we couldn't walk upside down could we, there's no way the earth could be round... This is why, it's important to not just read a few studies and conclude something..
especially when you can't even back it up when asked, I didn't tell you to do any research for me, because I wouldn't put that task into your hands.. I asked YOU TO BACK YOUR CLAIMS, if you won't then stay quiet.

Now as to the articles provided by EngiCream...

first thing, it's largely opinionated, which is expected from opinion articles, however they have read a good deal of studies on SOY unfortunately alot of it was done with rats... we aren't rats, but I will elaborate on a few of the valid concerns/points... some of them have already been addressed if you did read the link to my post on the diet board...

but in the first article on that site, one of the first real pieces of information they mention is thyroid malfunction, this is due to the supressed iodination of tyrosine, however, this is based on a study of rats that had iodine deficiency, with proper iodine concentrations there is no concern.
they address many problems that would not be of concern with proper micronutrient intake.

second article.. some point form garbage with no references... as are much of the articles...

If there are any concerns that you've read in these articles that are not covered by what I said, and THE BASIS FOR THEIR CONCLUSIONS IS NOT BASED ON RATS OR INFANTS (We're athletes and bodybuilders, so we fit in niether of the above mentioned)

then please let me know, and I'll either contradict the points with some studies, or agree with you.

thanks.
 
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variation said:
Txlonghorn: .. I asked YOU TO BACK YOUR CLAIMS, if you won't then stay quiet.

Sorry, don't really feel like being quiet at the moment. Maybe later. :) And if you had read my post, I point out that if new info comes along, I will surely take it into consideration. I am always learning. As for the studies that pointed out that steroids don't build muscle, I've actually read some of those and made the conclusion that they had political motivations and were done in a faulty manner. I don't just read the conclusions the researchers make, I make my own. But nice try trying to discredit something you don't want to hear, just because I didn't feel it was that important to remember. Hell, I can't remember why halotestin is harsher on the liver than oxandrolone, but I know that it is.

I do have a question for you however, and feel free to answer or not answer it if you like... Do you have any kind of vested interest in soy? The reason I ask is that you seem a tad zealous about the whole thing, kinda like those old-timey scientists with political motivations trying to prove steroids don't help you build muscle.

Anyways, I tend to stay out of most diet discussions because they tend to deteriorate into belief system type arguments. It's as if people have their own diet religions. I guess in my religion, Dean Ornish just happens to be the Anti-Christ. :)
 
Mavy said:

....Casein coagulates in the stomach and forms large, tough, dense, difficult-to-digest curds that are adapted to the four-stomach digestive apparatus of a cow.

Which implies that casein protein powder is just as bad as milk?!

Thoughts, anyone?
 
I'm going to have to agree that milk regular milk is no good...(the jury in this court is still out on organic). I read Nelson's post about protein absorption and having milk in your protein shakes. Anyway, I started adding milk to all of my protein shakes, and have developed a SERIOUS "stinky gas running out of my ass" problem. I've had high protein farts before, but nothin this serious. Sometimes, even I have to leave the room.
 
junk said:
What about Organic Milk? The cows are not given hormones and antibiotics and are fed with natural food ? Would that be the best of both worlds?

Depends...while it is certainly good that the cows haven't been given hormones or antibiotics, is the milk still pasteurized or homogenized? These processes are detrimental to milk.
 
ceo said:


Depends...while it is certainly good that the cows haven't been given hormones or antibiotics, is the milk still pasteurized or homogenized? These processes are detrimental to milk.

If milk is bad due to lots of hormones, antibiotics and badly feeding the cows, I understand Whey protein powder is JUST AS BAD. Whey is done from cheese, cheese is done from milk, milk comes for cows injected with massive amounts of hormones and antibiotics.... If the main arguments against milk are the hormones and antibiotics, I find it no different than whey protein powder.. if lactose is the issue that's something else.
 
Does anybody have any information on the processing of whey with regards to the crap that cows get fed? It may be possible that due to the filtration process , they whey we get may be safe, remember half the problem is the makeup of milk itself, its designed for cows, not humans, would you drink tigers milk or elephant milk? The second problem with milk is the modern treatment (quite literally) of dairy cows, how this affects our whey is something that i have never seen adressed.
Personally i dont drink milk, but its debateable whether its had any difference to my health or my physique. but i still have shit loads of whey:)
 
I am with you Cavless wonder,for years my ass been stinkin bad,people ask me"how do you do that?",i get a laugh out of it,but none the less,used to drink 5 gallons a week(skim)no joke...i will start doing water with protien shake,and cut back to 2-3 servings a day of milk,scairy how this convinced me.wonder if i need that intestine cleansing program thing now?
 
I think I'm going to make the switch, too. I've noticed that when drinking milk with a meal, I often feel too full to eat my next meal on time. When mixing my shakes with skim milk, I also have a serious gas problem.....and yes, it's BAD.
 
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