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Need some TREN advice (Karma+)

jubei

jubei

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My next cycle, the start of febuary is going to look like this:

Week 1-8 75mg tren acetate/day (Spectro Omega Tren)
Week 1-8 50mg winny/day (Perutech oral)
Week 1-8 10mg nolva/day

Should I be okay with this or should I go and get some bromo. I don't want to get gyno. Advice would be appreciated.
 
you wont get gyno from that, well its very unlikely. if you are that paranoid, have some bromo or destonex on hand just in case. but you should be ok
 
Odds that you'll get gyno with 75mg ED are very slim. With the winny, they're extremely slim. Now drop the Nolva and if you're still affraid, drop the tren to 50mg ED. Most of the prolactin-induced gyno are when tren is taken 100mg + ED. Personnally I have never heard of someone getting it with winny though.
 
well, I've seen a study that showed it has a lot of side effects, including potential gastro-intestinal problems. Don't know if it's 100% true but I would like to hear more about it before taking it. You might as well. As for Bromo, I don't think you'll need it at those dosage. A lot of people didn't took anti-prolactins and didn't got gyno, when I say a lot I mean +98%.
 
Never used tren before. I was hoping the combination of winny/tamox would do the trick.
 
Jubei, is this the first tren experience for you? You may want to try 75 Mgs EOD for the 1st, just to see how your body reacts, although some guys feel that they experience less sides with ED (probably due to more constant blood levels). Also, why the nolva? Tren gyno is prolactin enduced, so I'm not sure Nolva will do anything for ya??
 
Nolva does work to a certain extent, but I'm not sure why. Maybe huck could expain it better if he sees this.
 
Interesting on the Nolva Jubei - thanks! for my first tren cycle, I did a 75mg tren/100mg prop EOD cycle with .5 ldex EOD as well. I also had Nolva AND bromo around - but didn't need to use either. I think if you go slow, with reasonable levels and listen to your body, you should be ok. The thing that really scared me is that (apparently) bromo isn't really effective once symptoms start - so once you think you need it you are in trouble. I'm not sure if this is true or not, but keep in mind that gyno is apparently rare on tren (although it CAN happen).
 
Get bromo bro. I was under the assumption that since all gyno is estrogen related then nolvadex works because it is site specific to the chest. I am guessing this is the same reason why it is successfully used with drol for people. Get some bromo or you are really rolling the dice. Good luck
 
Man, you're gonna shoot every day for 8 weeks? Ouch. I'd 150mg EOD and save myself 28 pin pricks, then add in 600-1000 r-ALA for live protection.
 
jubei said:
Nolva does work to a certain extent, but I'm not sure why. Maybe huck could expain it better if he sees this.
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there has to be a certain synergy for gyno to occur......mulltiple hormones have to be involved.

so the nolva would basically prevent the estrogen from attacking the breast tissue.

i don't know where this nolva only works for "x drug" started.
 
How would Nolva help in that cycle. Fina Gyno is not caused by Estrogen, it is beleived to be caused by Progestoren(like Deca) and some believe prehaps Prolactin. Drop the Nolva. It's not going to do anything. Remember to do your post cycle therpy, and be agressive with it.
 
Briweve, you must have some estragen present to develop gyno. The nolva will help in this regard, and should offset the negative effects on one's lipid profiles from this combination.

The winstrol will help as well. It does seem to exhibit some anti-progestin effects, and I've noticed that 10 mg a day is enough to clear up any puffiness in the nips when using tren for me. Also bear in mind that the latest research shows that AR;s upregulate based on dose when using supralogical doses of aas. Tren has an extremly high affinity for AR's (3.5 times that of testosterone), while winstrol has a very low affinity, and stays in the bloodstream much longer due to its 17-aa nature. The winstrol will cause additional upregulation, which will give the tren more receptors that it prefers to bind too, rather than cross-binding with other receptors (which cause many if its side effects), and due to the hugh difference in affinity for the AR's, the tren will tend to win if the two compounds are repeating for the same receptors, thus you have two different methods by which stano can reduce tren side effects. Its a perfect cutting combination. If you can afford a little proviron it works very will with the stack as well, although winstrol does mimic many of its positive effects.
 
I was planning on running hcg throughout, 2x/week and hoping that I wouldn't get too shut down. The reason I didn't include prop in my original cycle plan is that I am trying to reduce the chances fo gyno as low as possible, and figured having an aromatizing compound in there would just make things worse. I guess I could use some l-dex or famera to controll that.
 
Aromasin is some good shit bro. Don't get letro as it has been shown hurt the effects of tamoxifen. If ask around you'll find a good liquid form of this stuff. Might as well get bromo too to pretty much guarantee a breast-less cycle.
 
Body By Finaplix- After reading your review, I agreed with you and did some studing and looked at some of Nand12 post on the subject. I agree on many things like Novla helping your profile ect., but I really can't understand how Estrogen would be a problem if your on a Fina and Winny Cycle. I mean Fina is very active 3:1 on AR but also binds to PR's. And when that happens the HPTA is effected and you crash, producing very little test. And we know Winny has some anti-progestin effects. So where does the Estrogen come from to either cause Gyno or increase Prolactin enough to create Gyno.

Now I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just trying to get someone to help me understand, because we know that people that use Deca and A-bombs can get Gyno, but I thought it was caused to Progestrone, not Estrogen. Am I making any sense. Nand12 says that Nolva at 10mg, stops Estrogen that increase Prolactin, stopping Gyno, If I read correctly. But again where does the Estrogen come from. In special circumstances does the body convert Progestrone to Estrogen? Do people that have Gyno from Fina, already have high Levels of Estrogen or Prolactin in there body?

Help me understand
 
Briweve, there will be some estragen in your body even on non-aromatising aas, even in the even of heavy htpa suppression. As far as progesterone converting into estragen, I don't know. I'll look into that. Progestins (such as tren and nandrolone) can increase estragen receptor sensitivity, which would make even a small amount of estragen more effective. At his dose of tren, the winstrol should be sufficient to prevent gyno, however a tren/winstrol only cycle will have a very negative effect on one's lipid profiles, and the nolva should help to alleviate this problem. There are some guru's who have theories that trenbolone can be a weak agonist for ER's in some individuals, in which case nolva would be a godsend for such people in preventing gyno.

jubei, if you are going to stack hcg in with your tren (which I don't like the idea of) you would be wise to use aromasin or letro in addition to the novadex. hcg will greatly elevate estragen levels, and this is not desirable when on tren. It will also defeat the purpose of a tren/winstrol stack, since I assume you are lookign for pure lbm gains with no water retention, and increased density from such a stack.
 
Yeah, I guess I'll save the Hcg for PCT instead of running it throughout. I'm hoping to gain about 7-9 lbs. of mucle and lose close to the same amount of fat on the above cycle. I might just throw in 50mg eod of prop to keep my penis alive.
 
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