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Need PCT Help, not a sales pitch pls

ToastEater

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Lots of confusion out there and I keep seeing the Perfect PCT which IMHO is a pitch for products members are selling or getting comped on vitamins. Not interested in N2Guard OR HCGenerate. Sorry for those offended by that.

So here’s where I’m at:
45 yo
225 lbs
15% bf
In 2-3 weeks I’m finishing 10 weeks of Cyp 400mg/wk, Primo 300mg/wk, Eq 200mg/wk
Still on 3iu/day GH for another 2 mos

Here’s what I’ve got on hand:
Clomid
Arimidex
HCG
Ostarine
Cardarine
MK 677

Need some input on dosages, timing, etc. Thanks all for all the valuable info in here. There’s just so much to interpret.



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you never use hcg in pct.

you can use a low dose of Clomid, with a natural T booster (sorry you don't want to hear to use n2generate but you are not doing yourself any favors).. if you don't want to listen then i invite you to run clomid alone and you can see how awful that is. just read all the clomid horror stories, do a google search
 
you should never use hcg in pct...


so, when you use testosterone, you are clearly adding large amounts of it into your body which causes you to eventually be suppressed when you stop using it because your body forgets how to produce it on its own... hence, the need for pct... so, what hcg does is MIMIC your lh and fsh, just like taking testosterone, mimics testosterone production which eventually leads to suppression, correct... so when you mimic lh and fsh, what happens when you stop using it?? im sure you can put two and two together... the reason you use hcg is to get your lh and fsh STIMULATED before pct, so they are not completely bottomed out because when you use test, they are non existent... just like when you run an oral without test... when you go into pct, your test is bottomed out.... when you go into pct using test, AT LEAST its much higher making recovery easier as you reteach your body to produce on its own... so if you use hcg BEFORE pct, then it gives that boost while your body learns how to produce on its own... HOWEVER, if you run hcg IN PCT or after, you end up suppressing yourself because you are just mimicking, not helping to jumpstart anything like nolva and clomid do for your natural testosterone production... NOT TO MENTION, hcg ALSO increases estrogen... so, i just want you to FULLY understand so you dont think its just someone talking and blowing smoke... this is fact... its easy to understand when you see it written down…






when you are in pct, you are going to get a major spike in cortisol... cortisol is termed the "gains killer" for a reason... it will put you into a catabolic state which will not allow you to build muscle and at the same time will eat it away, on top of the fact you will also get unwanted fat gain... so you will lose muscle and gain fat that you had just busted your ass an entire cycle for... GW and MK prevent the rise in cortisol... not only that but they keep you performing at a level you were while on cycle being the ultimate performance enhancers they are... on top of the fact that mk2866 is the ultimate for healing and recovery, which is imperative in pct as well as keeping strength up to a very high level... gw will also treat cholesterol and blood pressure, which are definitely things that need addressed in pct as well…Organ ST plays a pivotal role in a post-cycle therapy (PCT). There’s a strong misconception that the role of a PCT is simply to restart the natural testosterone production that was shut down from the steroid cycle. While this is true, there are a lot of the other issues that the body has to deal with during a PCT: hormone fluctuations, high liver enzymes, increased blood pressure, pressure on the kidneys and endocrine system, high stress and cortisol levels, the list goes on...Organ ST helps address all of these problems and helps you recover in a timely manner. The quicker you recover, the less likelihood of any long-term problems occurring, and the more likely that all gains you make during your cycle are retained.




clomid 50/50/50/25/25/25
nolva 40/40/40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod (adjust accordingly)
DGA ORGAN ST https://www.dganutrition.com/cycle-support/organ-st
mk-2866 25 mg day (ONLY 4 WEEKS)
gw-501516 20 mg day esarms.com
 
Lots of confusion out there and I keep seeing the Perfect PCT which IMHO is a pitch for products members are selling or getting comped on vitamins. Not interested in N2Guard OR HCGenerate. Sorry for those offended by that.

So here’s where I’m at:
45 yo
225 lbs
15% bf
In 2-3 weeks I’m finishing 10 weeks of Cyp 400mg/wk, Primo 300mg/wk, Eq 200mg/wk
Still on 3iu/day GH for another 2 mos

Here’s what I’ve got on hand:
Clomid
Arimidex
HCG
Ostarine
Cardarine
MK 677


Need some input on dosages, timing, etc. Thanks all for all the valuable info in here. There’s just so much to interpret.



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I've got a drawer with drugs in too. Buy what you need - not make up something from what you have.
 
You should really have your PCT supplies and plan in place before you start a cycle. Definitely don't touch the HCG in PCT. You should have used it in the closing weeks of your cycle (although HCG is not really needed anyhow). Arimidex is fine on cycle, but can't prevent estrogen rebound, which is why aromasin is the AI you should use in PCT. You should really run nolvadex alongside your clomid as well.
 
you should never use hcg in pct...


so, when you use testosterone, you are clearly adding large amounts of it into your body which causes you to eventually be suppressed when you stop using it because your body forgets how to produce it on its own... hence, the need for pct... so, what hcg does is MIMIC your lh and fsh, just like taking testosterone, mimics testosterone production which eventually leads to suppression, correct... so when you mimic lh and fsh, what happens when you stop using it?? im sure you can put two and two together... the reason you use hcg is to get your lh and fsh STIMULATED before pct, so they are not completely bottomed out because when you use test, they are non existent... just like when you run an oral without test... when you go into pct, your test is bottomed out.... when you go into pct using test, AT LEAST its much higher making recovery easier as you reteach your body to produce on its own... so if you use hcg BEFORE pct, then it gives that boost while your body learns how to produce on its own... HOWEVER, if you run hcg IN PCT or after, you end up suppressing yourself because you are just mimicking, not helping to jumpstart anything like nolva and clomid do for your natural testosterone production... NOT TO MENTION, hcg ALSO increases estrogen... so, i just want you to FULLY understand so you dont think its just someone talking and blowing smoke... this is fact... its easy to understand when you see it written down…






when you are in pct, you are going to get a major spike in cortisol... cortisol is termed the "gains killer" for a reason... it will put you into a catabolic state which will not allow you to build muscle and at the same time will eat it away, on top of the fact you will also get unwanted fat gain... so you will lose muscle and gain fat that you had just busted your ass an entire cycle for... GW and MK prevent the rise in cortisol... not only that but they keep you performing at a level you were while on cycle being the ultimate performance enhancers they are... on top of the fact that mk2866 is the ultimate for healing and recovery, which is imperative in pct as well as keeping strength up to a very high level... gw will also treat cholesterol and blood pressure, which are definitely things that need addressed in pct as well…Organ ST plays a pivotal role in a post-cycle therapy (PCT). There’s a strong misconception that the role of a PCT is simply to restart the natural testosterone production that was shut down from the steroid cycle. While this is true, there are a lot of the other issues that the body has to deal with during a PCT: hormone fluctuations, high liver enzymes, increased blood pressure, pressure on the kidneys and endocrine system, high stress and cortisol levels, the list goes on...Organ ST helps address all of these problems and helps you recover in a timely manner. The quicker you recover, the less likelihood of any long-term problems occurring, and the more likely that all gains you make during your cycle are retained.




clomid 50/50/50/25/25/25
nolva 40/40/40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod (adjust accordingly)
DGA ORGAN ST https://www.dganutrition.com/cycle-support/organ-st
mk-2866 25 mg day (ONLY 4 WEEKS)
gw-501516 20 mg day esarms.com

OP, your pct is fine but I’d personally use Dylan’s suggestion. An herbal test booster is always going to help as long as you are taking one with proven ingredients.


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I really appreciate all the help guys.
Can someone breakdown the last couple weeks using HCG then PCT? I can get what I need or stretch the cycle.


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Use hcg the last four weeks of your cycle right up until pct starts. 1000 ius per week is plenty


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What PCT protocol after that?
Sorry. Spell check got me and I can’t edit posts.


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What PCT protocol after that?
Sorry. Spell check got me and I can’t edit posts.


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Bro i dont have time to continue to repeat myself. I already gave you the entire layout with a FULL explanation on everything. I couldnt make it any easier for you.


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Got it. Not as dumb as I sound. Just rushing. Sorry to waste time. Here’s what I got:

On HGH 4 iu 4x/wk for 4 mos

1. 400 Cyp / 300 Primo / 200 Eq
2. 400 Cyp / 300 Primo / 200 Eq
3. 400 Cyp / 300 Primo / 200 Eq
4. 400 Cyp / 300 Primo / 200 Eq
5. 400 Cyp / 300 Primo / 200 Eq
6. 400 Cyp / 300 Primo / 200 Eq
7. 400 Cyp / 300 Primo / 200 Eq
8. 400 Cyp / 300 Primo / 200 Eq / 280 Var

Sept 23: wk9. 400 Cyp / 300 Primo / 200 Eq / 280 Var / 250 eod HCG

Sept 30: wk10. 400 Cyp / 300 Primo / 200 Eq / 280 Var / 250 eod HCG

Oct 7: wk11. 280 Var / 250 eod HCG / Nolva 40

Oct 14: wk12. 250 eod HCG / Nolva 40

13/14/15/16/17
clomid 50/50/25/25/12.5
nolva 40/40/20/20/10
Aromasin 12.5mg eod
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day






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Looking for a confirmation or tweak here pls ;-) Sorry to be a PITA. I paid for some coaching on all this before but I’m doubting it now based on what I’ve been reading here. That’s why I’m late to the game on final details regarding PCT. Really appreciate your time and consideration here guys.

This is what I’ve done and where I’m at:

HGH 4 iu 4x/wk for 4 mos M/T/Th/F

Wk 1. 400 Cyp / 300 Primo / 200 Eq
Wk 2. 400 Cyp / 300 Primo / 200 Eq
Wk 3. 400 Cyp / 300 Primo / 200 Eq
Wk 4. 400 Cyp / 300 Primo / 200 Eq
Wk 5. 400 Cyp / 300 Primo / 200 Eq
Wk 6. 400 Cyp / 300 Primo / 200 Eq
Wk 7. 400 Cyp / 300 Primo / 200 Eq
Wk 8. 400 Cyp / 300 Primo / 200 Eq / 40 ed Var

***This is the plan moving forward and where I need the most help:

Sept 23 Wk 9.
400 Cyp / 300 Primo / 200 Eq / 40 ed Var / 250 eod HCG

Sept 30 Wk 10.
400 Cyp / 300 Primo / 200 Eq / 40 ed Var / 250 eod HCG

Oct 7 Wk 11.
40 ed Var / 250 eod HCG / Nolva 40

Oct 14 Wk 12.
250 eod HCG / Nolva 40

Wks 13/14/15/16/17/18
clomid 50/50/50/25/25/25
nolva 40/40/40/20/20/20
Aromasin 12.5mg eod
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day
Liver support for whole PCT


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i would halve your SERM dosages and use an AI only as an option. you still need a strong T booster during pct, those serms are going to make you feel like ass without one.

Thanks dude. Can you be more specific? Thanks!


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Pct is spot on. Adjust your ai dose as needed. I dont see the point using eq at 200 mg though. Pretty much a waste as is 10 weeks being its such a long ester. 400 is the lowest i would run it and i would at least go 14 weeks on it or just drop it. You wont even notice it as its laid out


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I hit the HCG today for the first time - 250iu eod until PCT, as mentioned above.

I forgot to mention I’ve been noticing some periodic sides for the past few days:
Somewhat sensitive nips with possible bumps under nipple but hard to tell if it’s old or new gyno,
Drop in sex drive,
Small amount of acne,
Maybe a bit more tired,
Maybe a bit more emotional.

That said I’m less irritable than I was. My fuse is longer lol...

Anyway, wondering if I should throw in some adex now at .25 eod until my above mentioned PCT begins.

I can’t get bloods - I’m in Canada


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