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[Tren540i]

depends on the country you live in. most places regular drug/pharmacy stores wont carry it
pct advice
nolva 40/40/20\20 <-- change weekly the dose
clomid 100\100\50\50 <-- change weekly the dose

Need my dealer to get me some!! Thx for the help!

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[Gerhard van Lamp]

It's also early days hey. Give it some time to settle in.

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[infraredline]

depends on the country you live in. most places regular drug/pharmacy stores wont carry it
pct advice
nolva 40/40/20\20 <-- change weekly the dose
clomid 100\100\50\50 <-- change weekly the dose

This is terrible advice! Running clomid that high is idiotic! I cannot stand you people that recommend stuff like this. Op you should never run clomid higher then 50mg. Also you absolutely need an aromatase inhibitor, op that was very poor planning to not have one. Like the others have said you sound like you don't know what you're doing.

 

[insatiabl-chargeback]

This is terrible advice! Running clomid that high is idiotic! I cannot stand you people that recommend stuff like this. Op you should never run clomid higher then 50mg. Also you absolutely need an aromatase inhibitor, op that was very poor planning to not have one. Like the others have said you sound like you don't know what you're doing.

Lol no it's not its like the standard... My boy friend is running that ATM, with no sides, no bitch tits, still gaing strength, acne less than on cycle, sleeping fine, he did a sdrol first four weeks then tren, with test
100 mg is recc'd for the first week just to front load it and get your levels up faster. Some people say 100 mg doesbt do any more than 50 though, He always run 100 the first week just to be safe and optimize recovery.

 

[infraredline]

Lol no it's not its like the standard... My boy friend is running that ATM, with no sides, no bitch tits, still gaing strength, acne less than on cycle, sleeping fine, he did a sdrol first four weeks then tren, with test
100 mg is recc'd for the first week just to front load it and get your levels up faster. Some people say 100 mg doesbt do any more than 50 though, He always run 100 the first week just to be safe and optimize recovery.

Clomid has a half life of 5-7 days, there's no need to front load it. Honestly 25mg a day for 4 weeks is enough. But 100 a day is retarded and is when you really are at risk of getting sides from clomid. There's no extra optimization by dosing recklessly like that.

 

[jester72]

depends on the country you live in. most places regular drug/pharmacy stores wont carry it
pct advice
nolva 40/40/20\20 <-- change weekly the dose
clomid 100\100\50\50 <-- change weekly the dose

Nolva at those dosages to PCT a
19-Nor like Tren??? Can't believe no one but me has commented on this, but you must be out of your mind! You're just asking for more problems using Nolva here.

 

[infraredline]

Nolva at those dosages to PCT a
19-Nor like Tren??? Can't believe no one but me has commented on this, but you must be out of your mind! You're just asking for more problems using Nolva here.

Glad you pointed that out jester, I was stuck on the ridiculous clomid dosages but yes running Nolva with a 19-nor would also be retarded

 

[insatiabl-chargeback]

Nolva at those dosages to PCT a
19-Nor like Tren??? Can't believe no one but me has commented on this, but you must be out of your mind! You're just asking for more problems using Nolva here.

my source for info,




Clomid is a SERM (selective estrogen receptor modulator) similar to Tamoxifen. Clomid is typically used to induce ovulation in females by blocking estrogen in selective tissue in the body. Clomid opposes the negative feedback of estrogens on the Hypothalamic Pituitary Ovarian Axis which enhances the release of LH and FSH. Some women report a reduction in female pattern fat deposits when employing a SERM during an anabolic androgenic steroid cycle but typically Nolvadex would be preferred for this purpose over Clomid.

I consider Clomid THE recovery drug and would never go into post cycle therapy without it. In men, the effects of Clomid are much more pronounced than women as an increase in FSH and LH will cause a rise in natural Testosterone. After just 7 days of clomiphene citrate administration (100mg daily), mean serum total T and non-SHBG-bound levels in young men increased by a whopping 100% and 304%, respectively, while in older men these values increased by only 32% and 8%, Similar to previous observations, LH and FSH levels showed a significant elevation in response to clomiphene citrate over the response to placebo.

Clomid is a very useful compound at the end of an aas cycle because Testosterone quickly falls below baseline levels when steroids are withdrawn. This decline in Testosterone then allows the effects of cortisol to wreak havoc on our new muscle. We quickly go from an anabolic to a catabolic state. Thankfully this crash can be mitigated with Clomid.

Clomiphene restores normal testosterone levels and improves sperm motility in most male patients. Clomid may be used on cycle to block the effects of estrogen in male breast tissue therefore reducing the likelihood of gynecomastia however Nolvadex seems the preferred medicine for this purpose. Additionally, Clomid supports improved cardiovascular values.

So how do we maximize the benefits of this recovery medicine? First we need to determine the clearance time of the aas being used. In other words, how long will it take for the steroid to reach baseline Testosterone levels? Most steroids have a published duration in which they are no longer elevating Testosterone above natural levels but this is only an estimate as cycle duration, scar tissue and many multiple depots may extend release times of the aas administered when using injectable compounds. Once it’s determined when to employ Clomid, therapy should be about 4-6 weeks in duration. I like to start with a dose of 50-100mg’s daily for 3 weeks and then reduce that dose to 50mg daily the remainder of the therapy. I recommend getting labs after Clomid therapy to determine if recovery was successful. If not, another Clomid course may be needed.


References:

1. Recovery of persistent hypogonadism by clomiphene in males with prolactinomas under dopamine agonist treatment.

2. Clomiphene Citrate Effects on Testosterone/Estrogen Ratio in Male Hypogonadism

3. Basal prolactin and the behaviour of the gonadotrophins, testosterone, androstenedione, estradiol, and the sex-hormone-binding globulin during stimulation with clomiphene in subjects with spermatogenic disorders.

4. Effect of raising endogenous testosterone levels in impotent men with secondary hypogonadism: double blind placebo-controlled trial with clomiphene citrate.

5. An investigation of the visual disturbances experienced by patients on clomiphene citrate"

"I advise my AAS patients to use small amounts of HCG (250IU to 500IU) two days each week, right from the beginning of the cycle. This serves to maintain testicular form and function. It makes more sense to me to keep the horse in the barn, so to speak, then to have to chase it across three counties later on. I am also a big fan of maintaining estrogen within physiological ranges. Both therapies have been shown to hasten recovery.

Any more than 500IU of HCG per day causes too much aromatase activity. Some feel aromatase is actually toxic to the Leydig cells of the testes. You are then inducing primary hypogonadism (which is permanent) while treating steroid-induced secondary (hypogonadotrophic) hypogonadism (which is temporary--hopefully).

If 250IU or 500IU on two days each week isn?t enough to stave off testicular atrophy, then I recommend using it more days each week (as opposed to taking larger doses). In fact, I wouldn?t mind having a guy use 250IU per day ALL THROUGH the cycle. Those that have tell me they thus avoid that edgy, burned-out feeling they usually get. They also say they simply feel better each day. Subjective reports, to be sure, but they are hard not to appreciate. Especially when HCG is so inexpensive.

The testes are then ready, willing and able to again produce testosterone at the end of the cycle. LH levels rise fairly rapidly, but endogenous testosterone production is limited by lack of use. I also want to make sure a SERM, such as Clomid or Nolvadex, is at effective serum dosage (around 100mg QD for Clomid, 20-40mg QD for Nolvadex) when serum androgen levels drop to a concentration roughly equal to 200mg of testosterone per week. That is when androgenic inhibition at the HP no longer dominates over estrogenic antagonism with respect to inducing LH production. Of course, if the fellow has been doing Clomid or Nolvadex all along the way (and I now prefer Nolvadex over Clomid, due to the possibility of negative sides from the Clomid), he is all set to simply continue it at the end (no need to switch from one to the other). BTW, I see no evidence of any benefit in using BOTH SERM?s at the same time. I used to think a couple of weeks of the SERM was enough; now I like to see an entire month after the last shot of AAS (and migration of long to short esters as the cycle matures). Tapering the SERM is probably a good idea during the last week, as well.

I want my patients to stop taking HCG within a week after the end of the cycle. The testosterone production it induces will further inhibit recovery, as will using Androgel, or any other testosterone preparation, while in recovery. There is no escaping this, as there is no such thing as a ?bridge?. Just because you are not inhibiting the HPTA for the entire 24 hours does not mean you are not suppressing it at all. IOW, you can?t ?fool? the body?it is smarter than you are.

I like Arimidex during the cycle (in fact, consider use of an AI while taking aromatisables a necessity) but it ABSOLUTELY should not be used post cycle (even though it has been shown to increase LH production) because the risk of driving estrogen too low, and therefore further damaging an already compromised Lipid Profile, is too great (this also drives libido back into the ground?and we don?t want that, do we?).

All this is meant to get my guys through recovery as fast as possible (the real goal, yes?). So far, all of them who have tried it have reported they are recovering faster than when they have tried other"

 

[infraredline]

Look I'm done arguing with you over this. You're source is providing outdated information to you.

Op if you would like to listen to this posters terrible advice and cause more problems then you need in pct then that's your decision, however if you want to recover properly I advise you use the following protocol

Assuming you are running this for 12 weeks:

1-15 aromasin 12.5mg eod ag-guys.com (do 12.5mg ed for the first week or so to bring down your estrogen then switch over to eod)
1-19 caber .5mg a week ag-guys.com (that's 1/2 a mg)
11-15 hcg 1000iu a week
11-15 vitamin e 1000iu a day
16-19 clomid 50/25/25/25 ag-guys.com
16-19 unleashed (mrsupps.com)
16-19 post cycle (mrsupps.com)
16-19 hcgenerate (needtobuildmuscle.com)
16-21 formastanzol 10 pumps daily (mrsupps.com)

 

[wootoom]

This is terrible advice! Running clomid that high is idiotic! I cannot stand you people that recommend stuff like this. Op you should never run clomid higher then 50mg. Also you absolutely need an aromatase inhibitor, op that was very poor planning to not have one. Like the others have said you sound like you don't know what you're doing.

AI for PCT? I don't care what anyone says, I wouldn't use one while off cycle


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