Need first cycle help!

[juggernaut0231]

I am not sure if anyone will respond to this, but I hope you do. I just ordered some of the Forma from Mr. Supps. I am on my first cycle currently. I am 6'8" now about 291. I am about 14 to 16 percent BF. In addition to the forma I also ordered N2Guard and HCGenerate. The above I am unsure of the dosage and when to take them. Below is what I am taking currently.

Test 400 - 2cc (1cc x 2 pins weekly)
Test Enthanate - 2cc (1cc x 2 pins weekly)
I will take these for approx three months or until I run out.
Then I will start with the below:
Test Cyp - 2cc (1cc x 2 pins weekly)
Equipoise - 3 cc a week (pinning three times)
PCT - Nolva one pill a day

The others I just bought after reading all of the reviews and seeing recommendations from Wolfpackalpha. Let me know if you can help.

 

[phattony]

Bro you are goin to be In 1.3g of juice your first go? That is way too much imo. I would say 400-500mg would be a good start to see how you react to it. Sides, gyno etc. I'd pick up some adex in case and I like to use to keep some bloat down and if you do end up using as much as you. You will need it. And are you goin to run straight through into your other cycle? Sounds like way too long to be on for first time but your call.
Your pct needs some definitely help. Pick up some hcgenerate to run on cycle and maybe some hcg too. Want a good pct check out dylan's threads on it. Its solid.


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[jester72]

First off, how old are you?

Second, that's an absolutely INSANE 1st cycle!!! You obviously did NOT do your homework here. Not only are you asking for potential problems with gyno and bloat, your body fat percentage is still a tad high to warrant AAS use.

Third, you have NO PCT mentioned whatsoever! In fact, it appears you're going to run one cycle into the next. This whole layout is a disaster waiting to happen. Forget that you've pinned already, put the needles and AAS down, STOP this cycle now, and PLEASE do more research!

The dosages you're running are going to essentially ruin your receptors. In future cycles, you'll need to continue increasing dosages to see effectiveness. Bro, I'm 6' 7" and 235lbs. My first 2 cycles were 250mg of Sustanon a week, THAT'S IT! I saw incredible gains at that dosage as well. I STILL use under 500mg a week of test as well. Do yourself and your receptors a favor, and rethink this.

 

[WolfpackAlpha]

I am not sure if anyone will respond to this, but I hope you do. I just ordered some of the Forma from Mr. Supps. I am on my first cycle currently. I am 6'8" now about 291. I am about 14 to 16 percent BF. In addition to the forma I also ordered N2Guard and HCGenerate. The above I am unsure of the dosage and when to take them. Below is what I am taking currently.

Test 400 - 2cc (1cc x 2 pins weekly)
Test Enthanate - 2cc (1cc x 2 pins weekly)
I will take these for approx three months or until I run out.
Then I will start with the below:
Test Cyp - 2cc (1cc x 2 pins weekly)
Equipoise - 3 cc a week (pinning three times)
PCT - Nolva one pill a day

The others I just bought after reading all of the reviews and seeing recommendations from Wolfpackalpha. Let me know if you can help.

My friend, I don't see why you want to run such a heavy cycle. 3 months? you're overdoing it.

How about a 12 week testosterone enanthate cycle? with the supplements and an AI. In addition, your PCT is horrible! where did you get just a nolva pct?

This is a guys 4th cycle, you can see how light it is, even 3 cycles deep:
26 year old 4th steroid cycle

 

[juggernaut0231]

My friend, I don't see why you want to run such a heavy cycle. 3 months? you're overdoing it.

How about a 12 week testosterone enanthate cycle? with the supplements and an AI. In addition, your PCT is horrible! where did you get just a nolva pct?

This is a guys 4th cycle, you can see how light it is, even 3 cycles deep:
26 year old 4th steroid cycle

Wolfpack, sent you a PM. Please answer if you could.

 

[juggernaut0231]

Bro you are goin to be In 1.3g of juice your first go? That is way too much imo. I would say 400-500mg would be a good start to see how you react to it. Sides, gyno etc. I'd pick up some adex in case and I like to use to keep some bloat down and if you do end up using as much as you. You will need it. And are you goin to run straight through into your other cycle? Sounds like way too long to be on for first time but your call.
Your pct needs some definitely help. Pick up some hcgenerate to run on cycle and maybe some hcg too. Want a good pct check out dylan's threads on it. Its solid.


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I have some HCGenerate, N2Guard, and forma-stanzol. Thought I put that in there. I am not trying to get put on blast here so instruct not flame me out. All together this is what I have for gear. 3 x 10ml vials test 400, 3 x 10ml vials test enthanate, 3x 10ml vials test cyp, 3 x 10ml vials equipoise, 50 caps 20 mg nolvadex. All of this in addition to what I mentioned in the beggining of the paragraph. I would like to run about 6 months. I have been pinning the e and test 400 for about a month. No sides so far, just gains. Not saying it is not possible. If someone could just readjust me. By the way, the BF percent was taken with taping the neck and waist so I have not been calipered or water displacement. BF could be lower. Again, dont flame me out, just guide me in the right direction. Also, I am 35.

 

[Jack steel]

I am not sure if anyone will respond to this, but I hope you do. I just ordered some of the Forma from Mr. Supps. I am on my first cycle currently. I am 6'8" now about 291. I am about 14 to 16 percent BF. In addition to the forma I also ordered N2Guard and HCGenerate. The above I am unsure of the dosage and when to take them. Below is what I am taking currently.

Test 400 - 2cc (1cc x 2 pins weekly)
Test Enthanate - 2cc (1cc x 2 pins weekly)
I will take these for approx three months or until I run out.
Then I will start with the below:
Test Cyp - 2cc (1cc x 2 pins weekly)
Equipoise - 3 cc a week (pinning three times)
PCT - Nolva one pill a day

The others I just bought after reading all of the reviews and seeing recommendations from Wolfpackalpha. Let me know if you can help.

Dude, stop now and scratch all you have there. Why are you starting with t400 and test E together, and then switching to cypionate? My advice is to eliminate 2 of those and stick to just one type and pin 400mg 2x a week... Or whatever dosage you prefer.
Second problem, you're pinning EQ 3x a week.... Just stick with test only for the first cycle man. Actually I'd rather you not cycle at all until you do sufficient research about what you're doing. This cycle is the worst I've seen yet. Not beig a dick, but you're all jacked up here.

 

[juggernaut0231]

Dude, stop now and scratch all you have there. Why are you starting with t400 and test E together, and then switching to cypionate? My advice is to eliminate 2 of those and stick to just one type and pin 400mg 2x a week... Or whatever dosage you prefer.
Second problem, you're pinning EQ 3x a week.... Just stick with test only for the first cycle man. Actually I'd rather you not cycle at all until you do sufficient research about what you're doing. This cycle is the worst I've seen yet. Not beig a dick, but you're all jacked up here.

I appreciate your reply. I think we all know I have a lot of gear and something is going to get cycled. In your opinion, what would you suggest I pick out of those three? I hear test 400, I hear test E. I was recommended test cyp to switch to before because I was told it would assist in cutting after I bulked for three months. SO I also have HCGenerate, N2guard, and forma. How would you suggest to use these on cycle as well as for PCT? I have Nolva, but a lot have told me to scratch that because it is horrible for PCT. Thoughts?

 

[Captain FT]

Smh, just wtf is going on here.

Your mentioning names and not doses, cc's and not mg's. the only thing I know you are taking is 400mg of test400, which is usually test e and you're taking it with more test e.

I don't even know where to begin, you're lucky Wolfpack and Jack Steel are nice and have patience cause I don't .

 

[juggernaut0231]

Smh, just wtf is going on here.

Your mentioning names and not doses, cc's and not mg's. the only thing I know you are taking is 400mg of test400, which is usually test e and you're taking it with more test e.

I don't even know where to begin, you're lucky Wolfpack and Jack Steel are nice and have patience cause I don't .

Captain FT, yes it has been identified that I am taking too much. What I was taking was 500 mg a week test E (250mg/ml) and 800 mg a week of test 400 (400mg/ml). I have been taking it for almost a month now. Advice from everyone above is that I was taking too much. I understand that now. So above is all of the gear that I have. 2 x 10 ml bottles of test E, 2 x 10 ml bottles of test 400, 3 x 10 ml of test cyp, 3 x 10ml bottles equipoise

For PCT I have nolva. Since reading this above I have acquired HCGenerate, N2guard, and forma-stanzol. So, before I get flamed out one more time, it has already been identified I am taking too much. Of all of the gear I have what is the recommendation aside from not taking it. I ahve been told Test E for 12 weeks at 500mg a week (pinning 250mg twice a week). As you see I have a lot more gear now than I need. Want to know which would be better to see gains. This last month I have been pinning I have seen substantial gains with no sides so far.

Lastly, I say again, I don't need to be flamed out anymore. I got it! If you have actual sound advice for me then please respond. If not, then don't bother.

 

[KillaBig]

For your Pct I would run the good ol'fashion HCG,Clomid and Nolva the real stuff.

 

[KillaBig]

Test is test in my opinion if your t400 has propionate in it then run that you'll get a Lil kick in the pants faster.
I would run 500-600mg's a week.

 

[Captain FT]

Captain FT, yes it has been identified that I am taking too much. What I was taking was 500 mg a week test E (250mg/ml) and 800 mg a week of test 400 (400mg/ml). I have been taking it for almost a month now. Advice from everyone above is that I was taking too much. I understand that now. So above is all of the gear that I have. 2 x 10 ml bottles of test E, 2 x 10 ml bottles of test 400, 3 x 10 ml of test cyp, 3 x 10ml bottles equipoise

For PCT I have nolva. Since reading this above I have acquired HCGenerate, N2guard, and forma-stanzol. So, before I get flamed out one more time, it has already been identified I am taking too much. Of all of the gear I have what is the recommendation aside from not taking it. I ahve been told Test E for 12 weeks at 500mg a week (pinning 250mg twice a week). As you see I have a lot more gear now than I need. Want to know which would be better to see gains. This last month I have been pinning I have seen substantial gains with no sides so far.

Lastly, I say again, I don't need to be flamed out anymore. I got it! If you have actual sound advice for me then please respond. If not, then don't bother.

Glad you are understanding now. I still don't know what your Test400 is, is it a blend or Test E?

 

[juggernaut0231]

Glad you are understanding now. I still don't know what your Test400 is, is it a blend or Test E?

Of all the research that I have done, I am seeing that it is Propionate,Cypionate & Enanthate. Good for bulking and not cutting which is fine at this point. Plan on cutting after cycling for about 3 months. I have heard enthanate would be OK, but I heard cyp is a bit stronger than E so I figured a combo of them would not be bad in the test 400. I guess after that my question would be for PCT. I have nolva, HCGenerate, N2Guard, and forma stanzol. I plan on using these while on cycle as well. I do not have a lot of availability to get other gear for PCT that easily since I am currently abroad.

 

[Captain FT]

Of all the research that I have done, I am seeing that it is Propionate,Cypionate & Enanthate. Good for bulking and not cutting which is fine at this point. Plan on cutting after cycling for about 3 months. I have heard enthanate would be OK, but I heard cyp is a bit stronger than E so I figured a combo of them would not be bad in the test 400. I guess after that my question would be for PCT. I have nolva, HCGenerate, N2Guard, and forma stanzol. I plan on using these while on cycle as well. I do not have a lot of availability to get other gear for PCT that easily since I am currently abroad.

Sorry, but what research did you have to do to find out what your Test400 is? It should be printed on the label of the vial, if its not then you need a new source. I've never seen a blend with enanthate, cyp, and prop (not that it can't be done bit never seen it) its usually enanthate, deca, undeca, and or iso.

 

[juggernaut0231]

Sorry, but what research did you have to do to find out what your Test400 is? It should be printed on the label of the vial, if its not then you need a new source. I've never seen a blend with enanthate, cyp, and prop (not that it can't be done bit never seen it) its usually enanthate, deca, undeca, and or iso.

Internet research - This is what it says:
SHORT DESCRIPTION: Test 400 is a mexican version of Testoviron, but in a lot higher dosage. Usual dosages is one 400 mg per week.

Test 400 is obviously simply a marketing trick for novice bodybuilders. mixture of Eanthate and Cypionate is pointless as they both release at the same time. The dose of 400 mg forced the manufacturer to introduce more alcohol into thy product which results in painful injections. Combined with classic testosterone side effects this is definitely not the best product out there.

Also attached is the pic of the bottles.

 

[juggernaut0231]

Test is test in my opinion if your t400 has propionate in it then run that you'll get a Lil kick in the pants faster.
I would run 500-600mg's a week.

From reading up on it (nothing on the label to indicate) it has 25 milligrams of testosterone propionate, 187 milligrams of testosterone cypionate and 188 milligrams of testosterone enanthate. I have a lot of gear now, just want to make sure I go the correct route.

 

[Captain FT]

Any good UGL brand should have the breakdown of what compounds/esters are in their Test 400. I think you're misunderstanding Test 400 as some sort of brand of testosterone. I have several sources that have a "Test 400" and even a "Test 600". The Test400 is just 400mg/ml of enanthate while the Test600 is a blend. You can only fit so many mg/ml of a particular ester into a suspension without it being either the most painful thing you've ever injected or the suspension becomes completely saturated with the ester.

Does the label on the vial mo give a breakdown? Does the site you got it from not give a breakdown mg/ml?

 

[juggernaut0231]

Any good UGL brand should have the breakdown of what compounds/esters are in their Test 400. I think you're misunderstanding Test 400 as some sort of brand of testosterone. I have several sources that have a "Test 400" and even a "Test 600". The Test400 is just 400mg/ml of enanthate while the Test600 is a blend. You can only fit so many mg/ml of a particular ester into a suspension without it being either the most painful thing you've ever injected or the suspension becomes completely saturated with the ester.

Does the label on the vial mo give a breakdown? Does the site you got it from not give a breakdown mg/ml?

The picture I attached shows you the vials with no breakdown. However the website I was looking at said the breakdown is 25 milligrams of testosterone propionate, 187 milligrams of testosterone cypionate and 188 milligrams of testosterone enanthate. Yes it is painful to inject, but I massage the shit out of it and suck it up. I figured from the jumstart injecting something into my delt was not going to be pain free.

 

[RADAR]

I appreciate your reply. I think we all know I have a lot of gear and something is going to get cycled. In your opinion, what would you suggest I pick out of those three? I hear test 400, I hear test E. I was recommended test cyp to switch to before because I was told it would assist in cutting after I bulked for three months. SO I also have HCGenerate, N2guard, and forma. How would you suggest to use these on cycle as well as for PCT? I have Nolva, but a lot have told me to scratch that because it is horrible for PCT. Thoughts?

Who ever told you to switch to test cyp to assist you in cutting is full of BS, Test is test the only difference is the ester, so scratch that idea, Personally i would scratch all the others off and just run either test eth or cyp their structure are almost the same (by exactally one molecue).And theres no need to run an insane amount of compound dosage wise, keep it simple this is your first cycle and your virgin receptors are going to respond nicely to a lower dosage,no need to saturate them to the point where they can't handle it.

 

[KillaBig]

Sorry, but what research did you have to do to find out what your Test400 is? It should be printed on the label of the vial, if its not then you need a new source. I've never seen a blend with enanthate, cyp, and prop (not that it can't be done bit never seen it) its usually enanthate, deca, undeca, and or iso.

My Denkall T400 is a blend of cyp,enth,prop all post a pic when I get back home it's gtg second cycle using it love the stuff.
I know your gonna say its not real Denkall seeing how they went out of buisness back in 2005 in operation gear grinder. I know it's knock off from the Chinaman good stuff to nice packaging he really goes all out to keep Denkall alive.

 

[juggernaut0231]

Who ever told you to switch to test cyp to assist you in cutting is full of BS, Test is test the only difference is the ester, so scratch that idea, Personally i would scratch all the others off and just run either test eth or cyp their structure are almost the same (by exactally one molecue).And theres no need to run an insane amount of compound dosage wise, keep it simple this is your first cycle and your virgin receptors are going to respond nicely to a lower dosage,no need to saturate them to the point where they can't handle it.

Thanks Radar. I appreciate the advice. I will just go with the Test E or Cyp. What are you thinking 500mg a week? I am currently pinning Sundays and Wednesdays at 250mg a pin. I am assuming a 10 week cycle would be good. I have been going for about 3 weeks now so for about 7 more weeks. I am seeing insane gains already. Now for on cycle, I have ordered N2guard, HCGenerate, and forma-stanzol. Any advice there? Also I currently have Nolva for PCT. I can use some of the other stuff above to assist with PCT as well correct? Any advice would be great.

 

[Srt8 h]

Hey guys I'm looking to doing first Cycle of Testosterone Enanthate been in the gym for year and a half what should I do for pct?? Price is not issue
Age23
Hight5'10
Weight 185lb

 

[jcnuts]

Hey guys I'm looking to doing first Cycle of Testosterone Enanthate been in the gym for year and a half what should I do for pct?? Price is not issue
Age23
Hight5'10
Weight 185lb

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