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need educated opinions...nolvadex vs clomid for subtle long-term androgenic effects

Re: need educated opinions...nolvadex vs clomid for subtle long-term androgenic effec

no science expert but ill give it a shot.

unleashed lowers shbg which binds up test. when test is bound to shbg it is basically useless for us. so less shbg = more active test = more results.

if you are also worried about estrogen and bloat you might want to try adding formastanzol. that is another great product that is worth trying out
 
Re: need educated opinions...nolvadex vs clomid for subtle long-term androgenic effec

this whole attitude of "my family is skinny so i am gonna be skinny" isn't the way to do it. I was 122 pounds my junior year in high school and i was always the skinny kid growing up. so your theory means nothing unless you have the attitude of failure.

1. you are still young.. give it time, you will mature into a man during your 20's and the growth will come.

2. diet. you need to be going after carbs, cals and proteins with every meal. i would eat some freshly made pancakes for breakfast and sprinkle whey on top.. along with omega cage free eggs and high quality bread from the health food store.. that is the breakfast of champions.

3. pump iron... you need to lift hard and heavy at the gym.. stimulate the bodies growth.. your LEGS are #1.. build a strong trunk.. deadlifts, squats.. hit them HARD.

4. supplements!! these are what you need.. not AAS (which will further suppress you), and not clomid/nolvadex which won't do a thing for you... NTBM has some excellent supps.. you can stack some nice things together.. creatine/powerchews/whey.. unleashed... mix and match.

we have an excellent diet and weightlifting section of the site.

also your testosterone is fine.. my natural T levels are 450 as well. and i still grew plenty naturally. having a high testosterone level doesn't determine how much muscle you grow.

there is a genetic element as some african tribes vs. asian tribes had a lot of polygamist vs. hunter/gatherer traits through evolution but no one really knows how good our genetics are so its pointless to use that as an excuse. most of us are mixed and matched anyway. if you are gonna have the attitude that 'my genetics suck so i can't gain' then you won't gain. gotta be positive
 
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Re: need educated opinions...nolvadex vs clomid for subtle long-term androgenic effec

I love it when people who don't understand the issues with being chronically underweight say to eat right and lift weight and have the right attitude. You're missing the fucking point. There are people who do those things emphatically, and still are unable to really change much. I am not saying gear is the way to go by ANY MEASURE. Some people will not put on real weight until in their mid to late 30's when no matter the diet/exercise program they get on. Yes, they'll get stronger and gain some weight - maybe. But there are guys who will not go beyond that. And YES GENETICS ARE RELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION.

Also, to the OP, be weary of this board and those on this board who claim Unleashed is does what they claim. Many on this board seem to have a vested interest in promoting this product. I'm not saying they are wrong. I'm just saying go on other boards and ask around about it, get a spectrum of opinions and make an informed decision.
 
Re: need educated opinions...nolvadex vs clomid for subtle long-term androgenic effec

i love how people discount the advice of people on a board who take time out of their lives to help people achieve their dreams. i mean we have only helped THOUSANDS of people. Just in this thread both me and steve were former members of the skinny ass kids club and with the FREE advice from members on this board we changed our lives and now are trying to do the same


also how can you argute when we say eat more.. i mean if you are skinny and want to get big you need to continue to raise your cals.. i know people who needed to eat/drink 8k cals a day.. they almost gave up at 4k, 5k, 6k and then started to see results and stuck w/ it..

but thanks for joining and giving this guys some great advice.. basically you said you are screwed.. and dont trust anyone on this board...


and he asked about raising his test.. not us.. look at the advice
 
Re: need educated opinions...nolvadex vs clomid for subtle long-term androgenic effec

I think he's looking for a way to raise T naturally. Beastrol will suppress him more.

Neither nolva or Clomid will increase testosterone -- at least not long term. And they both can have serious anti androgenc side effects .

UNLEASHED is your best bet.

He said he comes from a long line of scrawny people ,Raising Test is not going to do much of anything thus my suggestion of Beast!
 
Re: need educated opinions...nolvadex vs clomid for subtle long-term androgenic effec

You need to do a lot more research, that is my opinion. Mentioning these drugs for these reasons show a true lack of knowledge. Not saying this to be a dick, accept it and start doing some research.
 
Re: need educated opinions...nolvadex vs clomid for subtle long-term androgenic effec

You need to do a lot more research, that is my opinion. Mentioning these drugs for these reasons show a true lack of knowledge. Not saying this to be a dick, accept it and start doing some research.

I agree with Lartinos,Raising Natural Test isn't going to put weight on you.you need alot more research,do you work out?You have to eat food that builds muscle,Chips & dips won't do it.
Read This


http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...-build-muscle-loose-fat-then-read-712503.html
 
Re: need educated opinions...nolvadex vs clomid for subtle long-term androgenic effec

I love it when people who don't understand the issues with being chronically underweight say to eat right and lift weight and have the right attitude. You're missing the fucking point.
I was 122 pounds my junior year of high school. then my senior year i was 129. thats pretty damn skinny. i lifted and wrestled in the 129 weight class. granted i'm not as tall as the OP but still 120's is skinny. in middle school i was in the 110's and got picked on for being too skinny. so yeah i understand.

There are people who do those things emphatically, and still are unable to really change much. I am not saying gear is the way to go by ANY MEASURE. Some people will not put on real weight until in their mid to late 30's when no matter the diet/exercise program they get on. Yes, they'll get stronger and gain some weight - maybe. But there are guys who will not go beyond that. And YES GENETICS ARE RELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION.

gosh you are ignorant and just trying to stir shit. i stated above in my post that genetics do play a role and the OP probably will never be a bodybuilder, it doesn't mean he cannot still enjoy this sport.. this is an individual sport and you are competing against yourself, not others unless you walk on stage. and yeah post also said that he was still young and he may not fully mature till his late 20's, did you not even read my post before starting your rant?

Also, to the OP, be weary of this board and those on this board who claim Unleashed is does what they claim.

i don't make a penny promoting unleashed, but i will gladly recommend it over the CRAP from gnc or bb.com or some other crap supp site. unleashed works period because i've used it many times.

Many on this board seem to have a vested interest in promoting this product. I'm not saying they are wrong. I'm just saying go on other boards and ask around about it, get a spectrum of opinions and make an informed decision.

other boards aren't gonna recommend unleashed if they want you to buy their products, thats called marketing. and besides i recommended several supplements that i use myself including unleashed... btw I am natty since the spring and depend on these supplements to mantain my muscle mass, you are welcome to look at my pics on my profile, and maybe you should post up some of your own since you seem to know it all and everyone on this board knows nothing :)

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Re: need educated opinions...nolvadex vs clomid for subtle long-term androgenic effec

IRC You're a brash lil mutha with only one post count,Over here we play clean,Now look what you did ,you went and got Steve all flushed and upset looks like i'm gonna have to turn him loose...RAWR!...BTW Put up or shut up!
 
Yes! Why don't we post some pics and see what the real deal is. That's the only way to truly tell what's what. And no homo but you gotta love Radar! Lol

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