Natural Test Boosters - Full Review

[Jaysyd]

Hey Guys,

I posted this in the steroid forum but thought i'd throw it in here too. Basically I'm here to provide a bit of information on my experience with natural test boosters, and I'm also after some informed opinions.

Background:

I'm 25, have been working out on and off since I was 19, have done a proper test cycle once when i was 21 (which i regret as i was far too uneducated when it came to training and diet), but since then have just been working out with nothing other than protein supplements. Before starting with the test boosters I was a lean 79kg (174 lbs) but not sure of exact body fat %.

Training routine:

For the past few months I've been combining a power lift routine with kettle bell workouts throughout the week, which has worked better than anything else I've tried when it comes to strength & size gains. won't go into detail unless anyone thinks it necessary.

Diet:

Obviously this varies from day to day but a typical day would like like this.

7am
- generous serving of oats with oat milk
- 1 serving of vital greens
- 100g turkey breast

9:30am
- apple

10:30am
- banana
- Up n Go shake

1pm
- half chicken (large)
- small salad

3pm
- chocolate milk

6pm
- medium steak (300g)
- mixed vegies (brocolli, carrot, etc.)

8pm
- gainer shake (post-gym)

10pm
- turkey breast (200g)

So now for the interesting part. A couple of months back I was entertaining the idea of doing another cycle once i'd hit a goal weight naturally. I did a bit of research and I notice a lot of guys on these forums are recommending the natty test boosters for PCT use. Based on this, I decided to order the following 3 products:

- Unleashed
- Forged Post-cycle
- HCGenerate

I decided that i'd try a 1 month cycle (the length of the recommended PCT with these products) without touching my cycle first to see what the effects of these products are on a natural body. I took 1 cap of Unleashed and 1 cap of the post-cycle when i woke up with food, and before bed too. In the last 3 days of the month i decided to throw the HCGenerate into the mix. This is the outcome:

The Good:

Let me start by saying these products are NO JOKE. with the Unleashed and post-cycle i noticed almost immediate (and significant) increases in strength, aggression, elevated energy & mood, and i had a tent permanently pitched in my pants.

But the most interesting part? I somehow gained 5kg (11 lb) in total weight throughout the month!

The Bad:

As soon as i added HCGenerate into the equation (only for 2 days), I went through what felt a lot like natural test shutdown. This was confirmed by my ball size seeing a significant reduction at the end of last weekend.

So, my first question for the informed people on this forum is - what do you think I should do to help myself bounce back ASAP? Should i continue with only 1 of the 3 products for awhile? stop them altogether?

and secondly, how could these products possibly help with PCT when they themselves cause shutdown? Maybe taking 3 at once was stupid, but the Unleashed and post-cycle are a recommended stack, and HCGenerate is marketed as an alternative (only less effective) to HCG, which is used to maintain and restore natural test production. Can someone shed any light here?

Thanks in advance!

 

[mohdgame]

This is impossible!! HCGenerate has alot of ingredits that are similiar to Post-Cycle. Me & my dad we tried HCGenerate and through blood tests we confirmed that it jacked up testoestrone levels. You can search one of my threads. I did a review on them as I tried them all and they all work. HCGenerate IS NOT a steroid, how will it make your balls smaller? It is SIMILIAR to post-cycle.

If you were honest, I think your just being paranoid and thats your head playing tricks on you.

Edit: Thinking about it, I think you raised your testoestrone levels so high that estrogen was also raised too.

 

[Ftsk]

This is impossible!! HCGenerate has alot of ingredits that are similiar to Post-Cycle. Me & my dad we tried HCGenerate and through blood tests we confirmed that it jacked up testoestrone levels. You can search one of my threads. I did a review on them as I tried them all and they all work. HCGenerate IS NOT a steroid, how will it make your balls smaller? It is SIMILIAR to post-cycle.

If you were honest, I think your just being paranoid and thats your head playing tricks on you.

Edit: Thinking about it, I think you raised your testoestrone levels so high that estrogen was also raised too.

+1. Op's a phaggot

 

[Jaysyd]

+1. Op's a phaggot

Thanks for your opinion guys but you're wrong I'm afraid. Check out the thread I made in the steroid forum and you can see the explanation Needto gives. I've since stopped the HCGen and things have gone back to normal within a week.

 

[Jaysyd]

This is impossible!! HCGenerate has alot of ingredits that are similiar to Post-Cycle. Me & my dad we tried HCGenerate and through blood tests we confirmed that it jacked up testoestrone levels. You can search one of my threads. I did a review on them as I tried them all and they all work. HCGenerate IS NOT a steroid, how will it make your balls smaller? It is SIMILIAR to post-cycle.

If you were honest, I think your just being paranoid and thats your head playing tricks on you.

Edit: Thinking about it, I think you raised your testoestrone levels so high that estrogen was also raised too.

Also, what you need to understand is that anytime you give you put something in your body that impacts your hormone levels (especially when it's a significant impact), there is a chance that your body will decide to work less to try and maintain some level of homeostasis. As you can see from my original post, these products gave me almost the exact same positive effects of a steroid, so it would make sense that i'd get the same negatives too.

 

[joeblow12345]

This is why we use hcgen on cycle to combat the shutdown from the steroids. When you took it you werent shutdown so it had the opposite effect. The same thing will happen if you use hcg off cycle. It will overstimulate the hpta and cause shutdown. Point is use it oncycle and if you wanna use a natural test booster then postcycle and unleashed are the way to go. Bridge and daa are two other great test boosting options as well.

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[Jaysyd]

This is why we use hcgen on cycle to combat the shutdown from the steroids. When you took it you werent shutdown so it had the opposite effect. The same thing will happen if you use hcg off cycle. It will overstimulate the hpta and cause shutdown. Point is use it oncycle and if you wanna use a natural test booster then postcycle and unleashed are the way to go. Bridge and daa are two other great test boosting options as well.

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Interesting... but that doesn't really make sense to me. If you're on cycle, you're already overstimulating the HPTA to the point that it shuts you down completely, so how would combining 2 substances (both your gear & HCGen) that cause this overstimulation, somehow have the reverse effect? If anything should't it make things worse? Feel free to check out the other thread I made as needto's explanation seems to make a lot more sense.

 

[Nelson Montana]

HVGen has a very potent form of Tribulus. Tribuls increases both test and estrogen, but when LH is low, it can increase more estro. That's why it's best on cycle when test is high. The fadogia will also keep LH high. it's perfect. But if LH is low, tribulus can make you feel a littel shut down till the LH comes back. Also, sicne the LH production can cause the balls to tighten up, it may LOOK like they're shrinking, but they aren't. So the OP's situation is possible.

 

[Jaysyd]

HVGen has a very potent form of Tribulus. Tribuls increases both test and estrogen, but when LH is low, it can increase more estro. That's why it's best on cycle when test is high. The fadogia will also keep LH high. it's perfect. But if LH is low, tribulus can make you feel a littel shut down till the LH comes back. Also, sicne the LH production can cause the balls to tighten up, it may LOOK like they're shrinking, but they aren't. So the OP's situation is possible.

... i don't get it dude. you were in the thread where needto explained exactly what was happening and you still say this? there was a noticeable reduction in size and density, not just tightening up.

for anyone interested here is what needto, the product manufacturer has to say:

You are not the only one who has experienced this.. In extreme one in a thousand cases I have seen this happen but it is not at all normal. I have yet to find a scientific explanation for it however My theory is that you are one of the very few who responds so well to feenugreek IE testofen that it causes a steroid like shut down. Testofen locks onto the anrogen receptor and acts like a steroid much like SARMS would do. Ive seen SARMS shut some people down and I would suspect if one responded very well to the testofen it could do the same.. Your marked significant increase in body weight would give indication that your body responds extremely well to supplements and test boosters. you are one of the very very few.

Back off the HCGenerate continue with the others.

 

[Nelson Montana]

... i don't get it dude. you were in the thread where needto explained exactly what was happening and you still say this? there was a noticeable reduction in size and density, not just tightening up.

for anyone interested here is what needto, the product manufacturer has to say:

What's the problem , I gave my reasoning and needto gave his. He starts right off my saying it was a theory. Maybe there's something to it. Either way there's no contradiction.

 

[Jaysyd]

What's the problem , I gave my reasoning and needto gave his. He starts right off my saying it was a theory. Maybe there's something to it. Either way there's no contradiction.

Your post implies that the only way my situation would be possible is if i was basically imagining it:

LH production can cause the balls to tighten up, it may LOOK like they're shrinking, but they aren't. So the OP's situation is possible

A friendly tip from someone with a decade worth of online marketing/reputation management exp. - if you sell/plan to sell products online, this is not the best way to respond. If needto had responded that way there wouldn't be a bb forum on the net that would miss out on seeing the screen captures of this thread.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Your post implies that the only way my situation would be possible is if i was basically imagining it:

That's not what I'm saying at all.



A friendly tip from someone with a decade worth of online marketing/reputation management exp. - if you sell/plan to sell products online, this is not the best way to respond. If needto had responded that way there wouldn't be a bb forum on the net that would miss out on seeing the screen captures of this thread.
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Well, I have at least as much experience, but thanks anyway. I still don't know what you're setting at. it's not best to respond by saying that your response is possible? I was saying that it's very possible for you to have that reaction. It's the OPPOSITE of saying it's your imagination. So, I think you're a little confused bro. You're making a problem where there is one. If the UNLEASHED workd, great -- keep going with it. If the HCGen worked against your needs, don't use it. Though I think it's a really good supp while ON cycle. I also think BRIDGE might work well for you.





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[needtogetaas]

Your post implies that the only way my situation would be possible is if i was basically imagining it:



A friendly tip from someone with a decade worth of online marketing/reputation management exp. - if you sell/plan to sell products online, this is not the best way to respond. If needto had responded that way there wouldn't be a bb forum on the net that would miss out on seeing the screen captures of this thread.

Ya Its awesome to be me some times lmao. I am somewhat Famous now hahahahahaaa . YOu are so right though. Any time I have a bad day and I say something wrong boom it pops up on some other forum somewhere at some point lmao... Keeps me on my toes I guess.

 

[needtogetaas]

+1. Op's a phaggot

This was mean but damn did I laugh pretty hard... To the OP man I am sorry it made me laugh.. But only in fun my friend thats it... Love you guys.. FTSk man try and be nice dude,.

 

[callmejay]

Ok...I have searched high and low for studies showing that the ingredients in Unleashed boost natural test and have come up completely empty handed. I understand they boost libido and mood, which is great, but that DOES NOT necessarily mean they boost natural test. You can wake up with wood and have the same test level you had the day before.

Can someone please point me to a thread or studies that prove even a couple of these ingredients increase test?

I was able to find a lot of supporting research for all of the ingredients in Post-Cycle and this is a FANTASTIC product with a lot of studies to back it up. I can't wait to use it during my next cycle.

Since people swear by Unleashed and claim it boosts test it probably does, I just haven't been able to find anything concrete on the forum or elsewhere showing that it actually does.

Not trying to shoot down the product, just want to be educated on what I put in my body. Thanks for the help

 

[joeblow12345]

Ok...I have searched high and low for studies showing that the ingredients in Unleashed boost natural test and have come up completely empty handed. I understand they boost libido and mood, which is great, but that DOES NOT necessarily mean they boost natural test. You can wake up with wood and have the same test level you had the day before.

Can someone please point me to a thread or studies that prove even a couple of these ingredients increase test?

I was able to find a lot of supporting research for all of the ingredients in Post-Cycle and this is a FANTASTIC product with a lot of studies to back it up. I can't wait to use it during my next cycle.

Since people swear by Unleashed and claim it boosts test it probably does, I just haven't been able to find anything concrete on the forum or elsewhere showing that it actually does.

Not trying to shoot down the product, just want to be educated on what I put in my body. Thanks for the help

Go get bloodwork when your completely natural, then take unleashed for a couple weeks and get bloodwork again. This way you can see for yourself.

NTBM REP

 

[Cali72]

Nelson is the man to respond here but unleashed increases free test not total test. There is a difference here man.

 

[callmejay]

Nelson is the man to respond here but unleashed increases free test not total test. There is a difference here man.

Right, I saw that is the intent of the product and should have been more clear. Hopefully Nelson can point us to some studies showing the impact on free test.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Right, I saw that is the intent of the product and should have been more clear. Hopefully Nelson can point us to some studies showing the impact on free test.

It'd have to dig through the files, but I've posted studies and personal before/after blood tests just as needto has posted studies on total T levels with HCGen and LH elevation with BRIDGE. But I have to say, when someone comes on with 3 posts and starts demanding that shit, it gets a little tiresome and suspicious. Realize also, that supplements -- especially those by small independent companies like NTBM and protein factory can;'t conduct massive "university studies" which are essentially bullshit anyway because they're paid off to show the results. What we did was put together all the empirical evidence we could and tried them out ourselves. If something showed to be effective, we produced it.

UNLEASHED has been around for almost 10 years now and has a 98% approval rating. So...what the fuck else do you need to know? It works! If it didn't do anything, people wouldn't use it. And it sure as shit wouldn't still be a top seller with virtually ZERO advertising.

 

[Headholio]

Ok...I have searched high and low for studies showing that the ingredients in Unleashed boost natural test and have come up completely empty handed. I understand they boost libido and mood, which is great, but that DOES NOT necessarily mean they boost natural test. You can wake up with wood and have the same test level you had the day before.

Can someone please point me to a thread or studies that prove even a couple of these ingredients increase test?

I was able to find a lot of supporting research for all of the ingredients in Post-Cycle and this is a FANTASTIC product with a lot of studies to back it up. I can't wait to use it during my next cycle.

Since people swear by Unleashed and claim it boosts test it probably does, I just haven't been able to find anything concrete on the forum or elsewhere showing that it actually does.

Not trying to shoot down the product, just want to be educated on what I put in my body. Thanks for the help

Urtica Dioica is Stinging nettle, one of the ingredients in Unleashed. The active ingredient is 3,4divanillilltetrahydrofuran. It binds to SHBG. Testosterone also binds to SHBG, so if the SHBG is already bound up, test can't bind to it.
So, the result is higher free test levels. It doesn't raise total test.
Look into that and let us know what you find.

 

[Headholio]

Urtica Dioica is Stinging nettle, one of the ingredients in Unleashed. The active ingredient is 3,4divanillilltetrahydrofuran. It binds to SHBG. Testosterone also binds to SHBG, so if the SHBG is already bound up, test can't bind to it.
So, the result is higher free test levels. It doesn't raise total test.
Look into that and let us know what you find.

I have to admit though, that Urtica Dioica is not the main ingredient in Unleashed. You are right Jay, to ask for evidence of any products effectiveness, and I don't care how many posts you have.
And beware supplement peddlers, especially the ones that say University studies are bullshit.
Avena Sativa is mentioned in a lot of web pages as an aphrodesiac, libido booster, LH releaser, or free test increaser.
It is actually pretty incredible how much these claims are made, because they are made without citation. Pub Med has nothing I can find.
I should note that I can't find any studies that show that it doesn't work either.
I think that's important because other supplements, like tribulus, have studies showing it works, or doesn't work. I don't really understand the lack of info on Avena.
There is at least some evidence to back up claims of many other test boosters, like longjack, fadogia, bulbine n, stinging nettle, etc.
However, whatever the reason for the lack of documentation, there seems to be a pretty good amount of anecdotal stories that it has some libido effects at least.
And I know that when I take Unleashed, I can feel that it does what it claims. I'm not usually one to buy stuff without the evidence that it works, but I've tried several different boosters and Unleashed is one product hat gives me maybe the most noticable effect of any I have tried. The major effects I notice are in orgasm intensity, erections, and libido. Maybe some body composition changes as well, but I switch up boosters frequently enough that I can't be sure which works the best for actual strength and body composition changes.

 

[callmejay]

I have to admit though, that Urtica Dioica is not the main ingredient in Unleashed. You are right Jay, to ask for evidence of any products effectiveness, and I don't care how many posts you have.
And beware supplement peddlers, especially the ones that say University studies are bullshit.
Avena Sativa is mentioned in a lot of web pages as an aphrodesiac, libido booster, LH releaser, or free test increaser.
It is actually pretty incredible how much these claims are made, because they are made without citation. Pub Med has nothing I can find.
I should note that I can't find any studies that show that it doesn't work either.
I think that's important because other supplements, like tribulus, have studies showing it works, or doesn't work. I don't really understand the lack of info on Avena.
There is at least some evidence to back up claims of many other test boosters, like longjack, fadogia, bulbine n, stinging nettle, etc.
However, whatever the reason for the lack of documentation, there seems to be a pretty good amount of anecdotal stories that it has some libido effects at least.
And I know that when I take Unleashed, I can feel that it does what it claims. I'm not usually one to buy stuff without the evidence that it works, but I've tried several different boosters and Unleashed is one product hat gives me maybe the most noticable effect of any I have tried. The major effects I notice are in orgasm intensity, erections, and libido. Maybe some body composition changes as well, but I switch up boosters frequently enough that I can't be sure which works the best for actual strength and body composition changes.

@Headholio Thank you very much for your respectful and informative post. This gives me some good info to go on as I continue digging.

In response to Nelson - I didn't mean to come across as demanding. There's no need to be defensive or attacking. Your company or the company of those you are close with is selling a product. This product makes certain claims. As a consumer of that product don't I have the right to understand why you selected the ingredients you did?

There was obviously research done - at least I hope so - to decide which ingredients and at what amount should be used in the product. All I was hoping to do was find that information.

Maybe look at this as an opportunity to strengthen your sales page. You have to assume that I'm not the only one who's asked these questions. A red flag for me was "morning wood = free test". It may be true that this product increases libido but that does not necessarily it means it increases free test. Improving the informatino you offer to consumers will only increase sales. Unless you expect everyone to follow like sheep. There are a lot of crappy products that people use and approve every day. This also does not convince me, as a customer, that it increases free test. Like I said before, I have no doubt this product improves libido and mood, and please correct me if I'm wrong but that does not necessarily mean it increases free test.

I have seen bloodwork on HCgenerate and post-cycle. I have learned enough and seen enough evidence that the product is effective that I happily purchase them. Unleashed is simply one I haven't been able find enough information on.

 

[Nelson Montana]

@Headholio Thank you very much for your respectful and informative post. This gives me some good info to go on as I continue digging.

In response to Nelson - I didn't mean to come across as demanding. There's no need to be defensive or attacking. Your company or the company of those you are close with is selling a product. This product makes certain claims. As a consumer of that product don't I have the right to understand why you selected the ingredients you did?

There was obviously research done - at least I hope so - to decide which ingredients and at what amount should be used in the product. All I was hoping to do was find that information.

Maybe look at this as an opportunity to strengthen your sales page. You have to assume that I'm not the only one who's asked these questions. A red flag for me was "morning wood = free test". It may be true that this product increases libido but that does not necessarily it means it increases free test. Improving the informatino you offer to consumers will only increase sales. Unless you expect everyone to follow like sheep. There are a lot of crappy products that people use and approve every day. This also does not convince me, as a customer, that it increases free test. Like I said before, I have no doubt this product improves libido and mood, and please correct me if I'm wrong but that does not necessarily mean it increases free test.

I have seen bloodwork on HCgenerate and post-cycle. I have learned enough and seen enough evidence that the product is effective that I happily purchase them. Unleashed is simply one I haven't been able find enough information on.

No disrespect intended or taken but some of your language is a littel consdesending. Words like "a red flag" "Maybe you should ..." and "..unless you expect peopel to follow like sheep." it's a little antagonistic bro. If you wanted to research this you'd find your answer without being so confrontational and provoking. Bottom line, if you;re happy with the product, and I'[m glad you are, then I expect you;ll keep using it. You can do a before and after blood test yourself and you're welcome to post the results. But remember also that UNLEASHED is a cutting edge supplement and I wouldn;t expect PubMed to spend money on researching a supplement they probably never even heard of. But bodybuilders know about it and they know it works. I'd take that as a pretty good endorsement.

 

[needtogetaas]

I have to admit though, that Urtica Dioica is not the main ingredient in Unleashed. You are right Jay, to ask for evidence of any products effectiveness, and I don't care how many posts you have.
And beware supplement peddlers, especially the ones that say University studies are bullshit.
Avena Sativa is mentioned in a lot of web pages as an aphrodesiac, libido booster, LH releaser, or free test increaser.
It is actually pretty incredible how much these claims are made, because they are made without citation. Pub Med has nothing I can find.
I should note that I can't find any studies that show that it doesn't work either.
I think that's important because other supplements, like tribulus, have studies showing it works, or doesn't work. I don't really understand the lack of info on Avena.
There is at least some evidence to back up claims of many other test boosters, like longjack, fadogia, bulbine n, stinging nettle, etc.
However, whatever the reason for the lack of documentation, there seems to be a pretty good amount of anecdotal stories that it has some libido effects at least.
And I know that when I take Unleashed, I can feel that it does what it claims. I'm not usually one to buy stuff without the evidence that it works, but I've tried several different boosters and Unleashed is one product hat gives me maybe the most noticable effect of any I have tried. The major effects I notice are in orgasm intensity, erections, and libido. Maybe some body composition changes as well, but I switch up boosters frequently enough that I can't be sure which works the best for actual strength and body composition changes.

First time I tried unleashed nelson sent me a bottle in the mail and I used a double does. I did not notice a sex drive increase and I think this is because I have always had a huge sex drive. I am always horny. I was married to my x wife 15 years and I can not remember having sex any less then 3-4 times a week all the time and 80% of the time it was always more then this.. 3-4 times a week was always a minimum though...

Anyway So a sex drive increase was not what I noticed however I noticed a increase to the pleasure and sperm volume too. Both was awesome to me i think the later was not for my X lol..

 

[callmejay]

No disrespect intended or taken but some of your language is a littel consdesending. Words like "a red flag" "Maybe you should ..." and "..unless you expect peopel to follow like sheep." it's a little antagonistic bro. If you wanted to research this you'd find your answer without being so confrontational and provoking. Bottom line, if you;re happy with the product, and I'[m glad you are, then I expect you;ll keep using it. You can do a before and after blood test yourself and you're welcome to post the results. But remember also that UNLEASHED is a cutting edge supplement and I wouldn;t expect PubMed to spend money on researching a supplement they probably never even heard of. But bodybuilders know about it and they know it works. I'd take that as a pretty good endorsement.

I have purchased Post-Cycle and HCGenerate, not Unleashed. I cannot wait to use those two products and will gladly submit a review once I'm done.

I don't expect PubMed to study your(?) product either. But for some reason, the creator of Unleashed selected the herbs in the product and decided what doses to use in the product.

All I am interested in is finding out why the ingredients were selected, how the proper dosage was determined, and what lead them to believe it increases free testosterone.

Nelson, I don't know what your involvement is with the product or if you should even have the answer to my question, but I was hoping someone representing Unleashed could point me in the right direction.

I appreciate the suggestion of getting my own bloodwork done, but doesn't it seem a little ass backwards for the customer to pay $150 to be a guinea pig? In my opinion it is the manufacturer's/distributor's responsibility to demonstrate the product effectiveness, not mine. Don't you agree?

 

[callmejay]

So I was able to find this bloodwork testing Nettle Root Extract from 2005: anabolicminds dot com/forum/steroids/36218-effect-increase-free.html

Looks like it nearly doubled free T. This is the kind of stuff I am talking about. I don't mean to come across as condescending, all I want is to educate myself and others.

On wikipedia ( en.wikipedia dot org/wiki/3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran ) they reference a study ncbi.nlm.nih dot gov/pubmed/9463941 about 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran blocking T from binding to SHBG - increasing free t.

Interestingly, 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran can also be found in Flax Seed. Can't say I completely understand the abstract though.

 

[Headholio]

Just to clarify:
PubMed doesn't do research. PubMed is a database:

PubMed is a free database accessing primarily the MEDLINEdatabase of references and abstracts on life sciences and biomedical topics. The United States National Library of Medicine (NLM) at the National Institutes of Health maintains the database as part of the Entrezinformation retrieval system. PubMed was first released in January 1996.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PubMed

This database contains abstracts and sometimes full research papers of Medical and biochemical studies done and published in scientific journals from around the world. According to the Wiki article, it currently contains over 22 million records!

I wouldn't expect Unleashed to have undergone scientific study either. But herbal ingredients are routinely studied for their effects for many reasons (how else would we know what they do?)

For example, if you search Tribulus and testosterone you get 16 hits
tribulus and testosterone - PubMed - NCBI

"eurycoma longifolia and testosterone" 13 hits
eurycoma longifolia and testosterone - PubMed - NCBI

urtica dioica and testosterone 4 hits
urtica dioica and testosterone - PubMed - NCBI

Avena and testosterone - 0 hits (actually 1 hit because the authors name is Avena).
[On the modern use in geriatric medicine of... [Hospital (Rio J). 1960] - PubMed - NCBI

Avena Sativa - 1811 hits
avena sativa - PubMed - NCBI

Avena sativa and libido - 1 hit
Recent studies on aphrodisiac herbs f... [Acta Pol Pharm. 2011 Jan-Feb] - PubMed - NCBI

 

[Nelson Montana]

i have purchased post-cycle and hcgenerate, not unleashed. I cannot wait to use those two products and will gladly submit a review once i'm done.

I don't expect pubmed to study your(?) product either. But for some reason, the creator of unleashed selected the herbs in the product and decided what doses to use in the product.
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the choices were a lot of trail and error. I was completely natural till i was 42 so i did a lot of experimenting with various herbal concoctions and found 90% of them to be useless. One that had just a tiny bit of research on it was avanacosides but when using it myself i found it made a tremendous difference. So we did a few tests -- only 12 people but hey, we ain't a multi billion dollar company. In each case free testosterone was higher after using the combination of ingredients. As for the dosages, i just went with the highest dosages that would fit!


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All i am interested in is finding out why the ingredients were selected, how the proper dosage was determined, and what lead them to believe it increases free testosterone.


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explained above.


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Nelson, i don't know what your involvement is with the product or if you should even have the answer to my question, but i was hoping someone representing unleashed could point me in the right direction.

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i designed the product. That's the difference between me and needto and pretty much all other supplement companies. We do our own testing and put together stuff that we'd use. That's why real bodybuilders like them. They know they work whereas other products are just thrown together shit that the company heard is popular.

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I appreciate the suggestion of getting my own bloodwork done, but doesn't it seem a little ass backwards for the customer to pay $150 to be a guinea pig? In my opinion it is the manufacturer's/distributor's responsibility to demonstrate the product effectiveness, not mine. Don't you agree?
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sensing that sarcasm again bro. Believe it or not, this isn't all about you. We did our tests. We're already selling thousands of bottles a month to people who don;t usually even use natural supplements! The offer was to post your results if you chose to make them -- not pay you to tell us what we already know.

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[callmejay]

"the choices were a lot of trail and error. I was completely natural till i was 42 so i did a lot of experimenting with various herbal concoctions and found 90% of them to be useless. One that had just a tiny bit of research on it was avanacosides but when using it myself i found it made a tremendous difference. So we did a few tests -- only 12 people but hey, we ain't a multi billion dollar company. In each case free testosterone was higher after using the combination of ingredients. As for the dosages, i just went with the highest dosages that would fit!
"

This is great! Thank you for the explanation. The whole point of my post was to understand why you selected those ingredients and your process, and what you said is exactly what I was looking for.

Those 12 tests sound very interesting and I would love to see them. To be clear, I am not demanding that you show me the tests...do what you will; but I think it would be extremely beneficial to your potential customers to publish those or at least include some of that information on the product page. As an online marketing professional, you know that it never hurts to give people more validating information.

Based on the research I've conducted and from the help of you and headholio, it's becoming clear how and why this product is effective. By understanding the intrinsic benefits of the product - improved mood, libido, sexual function - and knowing that it is proven to increase free T in your 12 studies AND in some of the published studies I've uncovered, I have a lot of the information I need to confidently make a purchase. Thank you for your help.

My comment about the bloodwork was misdirected at you Nelson, sorry about that. It was actually the NTBM rep joeblow12345 who ignored my question and said just to get bloodwork done. In my opinion, this was a misguided way to handle a question from a customer and I responded accordingly.

This thread is only going to give people more confidence purchasing your product. I will continue posting any relevant studies or articles I find that support the ingredients in Unleashed and the impact they have on increasing free T.

 

[needtogetaas]

So I was able to find this bloodwork testing Nettle Root Extract from 2005: anabolicminds dot com/forum/steroids/36218-effect-increase-free.html

Looks like it nearly doubled free T. This is the kind of stuff I am talking about. I don't mean to come across as condescending, all I want is to educate myself and others.

On wikipedia ( en.wikipedia dot org/wiki/3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran ) they reference a study ncbi.nlm.nih dot gov/pubmed/9463941 about 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran blocking T from binding to SHBG - increasing free t.

Interestingly, 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran can also be found in Flax Seed. Can't say I completely understand the abstract though.

Ya 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran is one of the main ingredients in Hcgenerate and the whole plant is a ingredient in unleashed. A lot of the products people have done there own independent blood test on different things. If I had the time I would go dig them up.. Mite find one in one of the threads below my red stars but who knows I don't remember .....

Dude You can question my products all day every day I do not mind it at all. Yes you are 100% correct all that your questioning is ever going to add up to for me is " more sales" so I thank you for that..

Yes you are correct.. YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE THINKING THIS!!!!!!!!!!! And you are not the first person who has asked these same questions or said exactly what you have said already. You are nowhere near the first person nor anywhere near the last person .. So please please do not think you have done anyone (save maybe your self) any favors today lmao... Your questions have been made a thousand times and answered just as many times if not more. Every statement you have made has been made at least a thousand times or more before you and has been addressed just as many times on this site and or on others... I am not new to this, Needtobuildmuscle is not new to this, elitefitness is not new to this... N2BM has been in business almost 4 years, I have been on this site my self for almost 7 , nelson and others have been in this industry longer then some around here have even been alive.. I literally have forgotten more of the post I have made on this site alone then you have made in your entire internet life and I do not say this in a condescending way. Just look to the left and count my post <------------105k plus shit I don't even know without looking my self but I know its way up there..

Thank you for everything you add to the site my friend. If I have more time I will continue to give you as much information as I can find the time to dig up. However if I don't its not because it is not there lol.. Thanks my friend and have a great day

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[callmejay]

Ya 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran is one of the main ingredients in Hcgenerate and the whole plant is a ingredient in unleashed. A lot of the products people have done there own independent blood test on different things. If I had the time I would go dig them up.. Mite find one in one of the threads below my red stars but who knows I don't remember .....

Dude You can question my products all day every day I do not mind it at all. Yes you are 100% correct all that your questioning is ever going to add up to for me is " more sales" so I thank you for that..

Yes you are correct.. YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE THINKING THIS!!!!!!!!!!! And you are not the first person who has asked these same questions or said exactly what you have said already. You are nowhere near the first person nor anywhere near the last person .. So please please do not think you have done anyone (save maybe your self) any favors today lmao... Your questions have been made a thousand times and answered just as many times if not more. Every statement you have made has been made at least a thousand times or more before you and has been addressed just as many times on this site and or on others... I am not new to this, Needtobuildmuscle is not new to this, elitefitness is not new to this... N2BM has been in business almost 4 years, I have been on this site my self for almost 7 , nelson and others have been in this industry longer then some around here have even been alive.. I literally have forgotten more of the post I have made on this site alone then you have made in your entire internet life and I do not say this in a condescending way. Just look to the left and count my post <------------105k plus shit I don't even know without looking my self but I know its way up there..

Thank you for everything you add to the site my friend. If I have more time I will continue to give you as much information as I can find the time to dig up. However if I don't its not because it is not there lol.. Thanks my friend and have a great day

Sorry to hear my question has been asked and answered a thousand times and that I have wasted your time asking it again. With the same question coming up so frequently, don't you think it may mean you're not providing enough information on your product page?

If you included all of evidence, information about your 12 individual studies, and other relevant links on your product page people wouldn't have to ask it a thousand times. If it was so easy to find the answer to how all of the ingredients in Unleashed increase free t I wouldn't have had to ask it, simple as that.

I found all of those links you pointed to. They are all about HCGenerate, not Unleashed only. That is why I posed my original question.

 

[needtogetaas]

Sorry to hear my question has been asked and answered a thousand times and that I have wasted your time asking it again. With the same question coming up so frequently, don't you think it may mean you're not providing enough information on your product page?

If you included all of evidence, information about your 12 individual studies, and other relevant links on your product page people wouldn't have to ask it a thousand times. If it was so easy to find the answer to how all of the ingredients in Unleashed increase free t I wouldn't have had to ask it, simple as that.

I found all of those links you pointed to. They are all about HCGenerate, not Unleashed only. That is why I posed my original question.

What I post on my product page all boils down to what I am allowed to post by law and what I am not allowed to post. But I can see where Nelson is coming from with your condescending attitude lol.. I personally Don't think its worth my time even caring about it though so I will just step away . Some one will be by to handle it for me though. Have a great day..

 

[Aplopez8]

+1. Op's a phaggot

+1 definitely a fag

 

[callmejay]

What I post on my product page all boils down to what I am allowed to post by law and what I am not allowed to post. But I can see where Nelson is coming from with your condescending attitude lol.. I personally Don't think its worth my time even caring about it though so I will just step away . Some one will be by to handle it for me though. Have a great day..

I have tremendous respect for NTBM and the quality and integrity of your products - and appreciate everyone's responses. I hope that was clear from the start.

Some of the initial responses I received came across as condescending and defensive while dancing around the question. When I'm told, in so many words, due to a low post count my question doesn't matter and that I should buy it because everyone else does, I got frustrated and responded accordingly.

I'm a person that wants to know HOW and WHY a product works. I don't know why there has been such a defensive response, almost as if I'm questioning the personal integrity of the product creators. Simply a customer wanting more information because there is a lack of it on the product page.

If you've been asked this question a million times I understand how frustrating it must be. Since you are limited in what you can put on the product page, maybe my thread only helps me but hopefully it can help at least one other person who can now find some good supporting studies and information about the ingredients in Unleashed.

However I've never heard of restrictions on having too much supporting information. The product page makes a lot of bold claims yet no citations or references.

For example, you state:

"Blood tests don’t lie and those using Unleashed have shown a consistent increase in free testosterone."

I was hoping someone from NTBM could point me some of those blood tests to see it for myself. If you're making a statement like that I think it's a reasonable request.

After doing some digging and with the other contributions in the thread, I have been able to find supporting information for most of the claims on the product page which is great, and makes me much more confident buying the product.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I agree with everything needto just said.

And remember. NTBM backs up all its products with a money back guarantee. If you don;t like it, return the unused portion and you get a refund and you never have to buy it again. He can do that because almost no one asks for refund. They just wind up ordering more. The products are that good. It's a no-lose situation.

 

[Jaysyd]

lol wow this thread really blew up. all i can add is my own personal experience and from that i can say unleashed definitely works.

+1 definitely a fag

let me get this straight... you're displaying an avatar of yourself shirtless and flexing for an almost entirely male audience...and i'm the fag? whatever helps you sleep at night buddy

 

[Aplopez8]

lol wow this thread really blew up. all i can add is my own personal experience and from that i can say unleashed definitely works.



let me get this straight... you're displaying an avatar of yourself shirtless and flexing for an almost entirely male audience...and i'm the fag? whatever helps you sleep at night buddy

So you were checking out my avatar? . Wow fag

 

[Goldprospector]

Sorry to hear my question has been asked and answered a thousand times and that I have wasted your time asking it again. With the same question coming up so frequently, don't you think it may mean you're not providing enough information on your product page?

If you included all of evidence, information about your 12 individual studies, and other relevant links on your product page people wouldn't have to ask it a thousand times. If it was so easy to find the answer to how all of the ingredients in Unleashed increase free t I wouldn't have had to ask it, simple as that.

I found all of those links you pointed to. They are all about HCGenerate, not Unleashed only. That is why I posed my original question.

I think the bottom line is that since he said the question has been asked and ANSWERED thousands of times...Maybe you could spend time reading some of the back logs and old threads. If they have been answered a thousand times, it does not mean that insufficient answered have been supplied, It just means that thousands of people have asked the same question without searching for the info themselves. Needto and Nelson have always answered peoples questions, I just don't see how they can keep on doing it. Both are good bro's and have excellent products.
I have asked questions about products over the years, and have always gotten answers. When I have researched things for myself and need clarification, or if the information is overwhelming...these bro always help out.

 

[IncredibleHoss]

Just take hcgen and unleshed. No fah haying here

 

[Ftsk]

So you were checking out my avatar? . Wow fag

Lulz op getting angus peppering