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My name is Dmitry . I am 31 years old . Weight 86kg, height 1.83.
I have been training since the age of 16, for the last 2-3 years I have often been without training, but for the last 5 months I have been intensive training 3 times a week for 1:30 an hour.

Meals for the first cycle:

Protein - 297 grams (3.5 per kilogram of weight)
Carbohydrates - 301 grams (3.5 per kilogram of weight)
Fat -86 grams (1 gram per kilogram of body weight)

At 30 there was a course of 12 weeks.
1-7 weeks: turinabol 40 mg per day.
1-12 weeks: testosterone propionate.
2-12 weeks: arimidex 0.5mg every 3rd day.

Sports supplements on the course:
1) Bcaa - 10 grams per day.
2) Glutamine - 10 grams per day.
3) citrulline malate - 10 grams per day.
4) vitamins complex - every day.
5) vitamin d3: 8000 every day.
6) omega 3 - 3 grams in the morning / 1 gram in the evening.
7) vitamin E: 300 per day.
8) ZMA : 1 capsule per day.
9) Fast protein 100gr daily.
10) casein before go sleep ; 50 gr .

After the Cycle , I added tribulus 4000mg. Clomiphene citrate 50 mg per day for 3 weeks.

PCT: 6-8 weeks, depending on health and tests

Plan for the next course:
1-16 weeks : testosterone e 300 mg Monday / Friday
1-16 weeks : Primobolan 150 could Monday / Friday
2-16 weeks: anastrozole according to analyzes - 0.5-1 mg every 3 days.
16-24 weeks: testosterone cypionate 200 mg / every 8 or 10 days, I will pass the tests and understand.

The complex of sports nutrition is the same as in the first year.
Nutrition in the second Cycle :

Proteins: 275 grams (3.2 per kilogram of body weight)
Carbohydrates: 361 grams (4.2 per kilogram of body weight)
Fats: 86-100 grams per day.

Blood tests / hormones / lipid profile observed before the Cycle , during the Cycle , after.
Before the new Cycle , I will also hand over a complete list of analyzes and will continue to observe on the Cycle .

In terms of nutrition, I will add heavy carbohydrates in the morning until 16 hours. I eat every 2-3 hours.

Tes before new cycle .

Complete blood count (clinical blood count, leucocyte formula, EGAS
Iron
Transferrin
FerritinNVD
Prothrombin time
FibrinogenNVD
D-DimersNVD
Thrombin time
Bilirubin
ALAT
ASAT
GGT
LDH
CFK-Creatine kinase
Urea
Creatinine
Total protein
Albumin
Homocysteine
CRO
Sodium
Potassium
Calcium
Phosphorus
Chlorine
Magnesium
Lipid kit (HOL, LDL, HDL, TRIGL)
Prolactin
FSH
LH-Luteinising hormone
Estradiol
Progesterone
SHBG-Sex Hormone Binding Globulin
Testosterone
TSH-Thyleotropic hormone
Free T3
Free T4
Free PSA
Inhibin B.
 
bytuk said:
My name is Dmitry . I am 31 years old . Weight 86kg, height 1.83.
I have been training since the age of 16, for the last 2-3 years I have often been without training, but for the last 5 months I have been intensive training 3 times a week for 1:30 an hour.

Meals for the first cycle:

Protein - 297 grams (3.5 per kilogram of weight)
Carbohydrates - 301 grams (3.5 per kilogram of weight)
Fat -86 grams (1 gram per kilogram of body weight)

At 30 there was a course of 12 weeks.
1-7 weeks: turinabol 40 mg per day.
1-12 weeks: testosterone propionate.
2-12 weeks: arimidex 0.5mg every 3rd day.

Sports supplements on the course:
1) Bcaa - 10 grams per day.
2) Glutamine - 10 grams per day.
3) citrulline malate - 10 grams per day.
4) vitamins complex - every day.
5) vitamin d3: 8000 every day.
6) omega 3 - 3 grams in the morning / 1 gram in the evening.
7) vitamin E: 300 per day.
8) ZMA : 1 capsule per day.
9) Fast protein 100gr daily.
10) casein before go sleep ; 50 gr .

After the Cycle , I added tribulus 4000mg. Clomiphene citrate 50 mg per day for 3 weeks.

PCT: 6-8 weeks, depending on health and tests

Plan for the next course:
1-16 weeks : testosterone e 300 mg Monday / Friday
1-16 weeks : Primobolan 150 could Monday / Friday
2-16 weeks: anastrozole according to analyzes - 0.5-1 mg every 3 days.
16-24 weeks: testosterone cypionate 200 mg / every 8 or 10 days, I will pass the tests and understand.

The complex of sports nutrition is the same as in the first year.
Nutrition in the second Cycle :

Proteins: 275 grams (3.2 per kilogram of body weight)
Carbohydrates: 361 grams (4.2 per kilogram of body weight)
Fats: 86-100 grams per day.

Blood tests / hormones / lipid profile observed before the Cycle , during the Cycle , after.
Before the new Cycle , I will also hand over a complete list of analyzes and will continue to observe on the Cycle .

In terms of nutrition, I will add heavy carbohydrates in the morning until 16 hours. I eat every 2-3 hours.

Tes before new cycle .

Complete blood count (clinical blood count, leucocyte formula, EGAS
Iron
Transferrin
FerritinNVD
Prothrombin time
FibrinogenNVD
D-DimersNVD
Thrombin time
Bilirubin
ALAT
ASAT
GGT
LDH
CFK-Creatine kinase
Urea
Creatinine
Total protein
Albumin
Homocysteine
CRO
Sodium
Potassium
Calcium
Phosphorus
Chlorine
Magnesium
Lipid kit (HOL, LDL, HDL, TRIGL)
Prolactin
FSH
LH-Luteinising hormone
Estradiol
Progesterone
SHBG-Sex Hormone Binding Globulin
Testosterone
TSH-Thyleotropic hormone
Free T3
Free T4
Free PSA
Inhibin B.
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@bytuk i like this log start

add your diet info start logging it, what meals you eat when you eat the meals and amounts its crucial, same with training reps and sets and start now . If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

and add your face blurred picture too
 
the_alcatraz said:
@bytuk i like this log start

add your diet info start logging it, what meals you eat when you eat the meals and amounts its crucial, same with training reps and sets and start now . If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

and add your face blurred picture too
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Thank you for your support . Of course I keep track of my food intake, I use a scale and YAZIO app.
Can I add a picture to my profile ?
 
bytuk said:
Thank you for your support . Of course I keep track of my food intake, I use a scale and YAZIO app.
Can I add a picture to my profile ?
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@bytuk you can export text from the yazio app and post it here please

and you can upload picture here have you tried? into a reply
 
Thank you all so much for your support. Today I will try to make a diet plan, and approximately describe the training plan.
The beginning of this cycle is planned for the end of September, but as I said before: everything will depend on the tests.
 
I just have questions about how many weeks to hook up the HCG / in what amount 250/500/1000 / and for how long.
 
SteveMobsterG said:
What dose was the test prop?
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The first two injections was 50mg. From the third injection I increased the dosage by 100mg every other day.
From visual observation I can say that the progress continued at week 12 and I was able to go further.
But since it was the first cycle, I wanted to recover and see how the body reacts to the cycle and recovery.
That's why I want to do the next longer one and go to the bridge on cypionate.
 
bytuk said:
My name is Dmitry . I am 31 years old . Weight 86kg, height 1.83.
I have been training since the age of 16, for the last 2-3 years I have often been without training, but for the last 5 months I have been intensive training 3 times a week for 1:30 an hour.

Meals for the first cycle:

Protein - 297 grams (3.5 per kilogram of weight)
Carbohydrates - 301 grams (3.5 per kilogram of weight)
Fat -86 grams (1 gram per kilogram of body weight)

At 30 there was a course of 12 weeks.
1-7 weeks: turinabol 40 mg per day.
1-12 weeks: testosterone propionate.
2-12 weeks: arimidex 0.5mg every 3rd day.

Sports supplements on the course:
1) Bcaa - 10 grams per day.
2) Glutamine - 10 grams per day.
3) citrulline malate - 10 grams per day.
4) vitamins complex - every day.
5) vitamin d3: 8000 every day.
6) omega 3 - 3 grams in the morning / 1 gram in the evening.
7) vitamin E: 300 per day.
8) ZMA : 1 capsule per day.
9) Fast protein 100gr daily.
10) casein before go sleep ; 50 gr .

After the Cycle , I added tribulus 4000mg. Clomiphene citrate 50 mg per day for 3 weeks.

PCT: 6-8 weeks, depending on health and tests

Plan for the next course:
1-16 weeks : testosterone e 300 mg Monday / Friday
1-16 weeks : Primobolan 150 could Monday / Friday
2-16 weeks: anastrozole according to analyzes - 0.5-1 mg every 3 days.
16-24 weeks: testosterone cypionate 200 mg / every 8 or 10 days, I will pass the tests and understand.

The complex of sports nutrition is the same as in the first year.
Nutrition in the second Cycle :

Proteins: 275 grams (3.2 per kilogram of body weight)
Carbohydrates: 361 grams (4.2 per kilogram of body weight)
Fats: 86-100 grams per day.

Blood tests / hormones / lipid profile observed before the Cycle , during the Cycle , after.
Before the new Cycle , I will also hand over a complete list of analyzes and will continue to observe on the Cycle .

In terms of nutrition, I will add heavy carbohydrates in the morning until 16 hours. I eat every 2-3 hours.

Tes before new cycle .

Complete blood count (clinical blood count, leucocyte formula, EGAS
Iron
Transferrin
FerritinNVD
Prothrombin time
FibrinogenNVD
D-DimersNVD
Thrombin time
Bilirubin
ALAT
ASAT
GGT
LDH
CFK-Creatine kinase
Urea
Creatinine
Total protein
Albumin
Homocysteine
CRO
Sodium
Potassium
Calcium
Phosphorus
Chlorine
Magnesium
Lipid kit (HOL, LDL, HDL, TRIGL)
Prolactin
FSH
LH-Luteinising hormone
Estradiol
Progesterone
SHBG-Sex Hormone Binding Globulin
Testosterone
TSH-Thyleotropic hormone
Free T3
Free T4
Free PSA
Inhibin B.
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why switch from test E to test C at the end? why not just extend the Test E?
 
In general, the idea is as follows: after 16 weeks will pass bridge 6-8 weeks, depending on the tests /analysis, health in general. And if everything goes well, then go to the next cycle of Masteron P / Test P for 8-10 weeks, and then decide either recovery or another bridge.
 
bytuk said:
Thank you all so much for your support. Today I will try to make a diet plan, and approximately describe the training plan.
The beginning of this cycle is planned for the end of September, but as I said before: everything will depend on the tests.
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@bytuk lets start with diet training plan before we talk more
 
bytuk said:
In general, the idea is as follows: after 16 weeks will pass bridge 6-8 weeks, depending on the tests /analysis, health in general. And if everything goes well, then go to the next cycle of Masteron P / Test P for 8-10 weeks, and then decide either recovery or another bridge.
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@bytuk 16 week cycle 8 week bridge and cycle again thats fine I would go that route if you want to blast and cruise
 
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This is roughly what the daily routine looks like :
1) 08:00 am :breakfast - buckwheat in raw form 93g.
*minced beef -200g / beans in Mexican sauce 50g.
Whole grain bread 54g
2) Snack - 09:30 am Protein 60g / 70 grams of ground oatmeal.
3) Lunch - 11:00 am - 93g raw buckwheat
*Beans in Mexican sauce 50gr.
Whole grain bread 54g
4) Snack - 13:00 Protein 60g / 70 grams of ground oatmeal
5) snack 16:00 chicken fillet 150g / raw buckwheat 30gm
6) dinner 20:00 skim cottage cheese 200gr / Greek yogurt 200gr / peanut paste 25gr // banana 150gr
7) before going to bed for an hour casein protein 30gr
The schedule looks like this, but I try to feel my stomach, hunger and satiety. I also add enzymes.
 
Training 3 times a week / one and a half , two hours total .
Monday : chest / arms / legs
Wednesday : back / shoulders
Friday : legs / triceps / biceps.
Mostly free weights, but I also add isolation exercises.
 
the_alcatraz said:
@bytuk hcg is subq usually 500 IUs in PCT
what do you need to use it for? if on cycle, you dont need hcg
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Do you mean a bridge ? Or rest from the cycle ? From reading the literature and watching videos: within two weeks after the last injection you can use hcg, but if later, it works the other way around and suppresses lg/fsg and there is already a set to turn off clomid.
For people who are planning to have children in the future, hhg is needed on dividing cycle, to stimulate lg/fsg. Also for the bridge.
And you say you don't need it.
 
Pharmacologic action of chorionic gonadotropin:

hCG - affects the production of two hormones luteinizing (LH) and follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH), in turn, both of these hormones are synthesized in the body under the influence of gonadoliberin, also stimulates the synthesis of sex hormones in the testicles, spermatogenesis. HCG replaces the luteinizing hormone does not let the testicles to decrease that increases the recovery after the course, because with the reduction of testicles own testosterone production also begins to fall even after the course. Thus, by deceiving the hypothalamus-pituitary-testicles arc with hCG we do not let them shrink during the ACC course.

It is important to remember that hCG suppresses the production of its own gonadoliberin and as a consequence a failure in the arc hypothalamus-pituitary-testicles.Whatever happens, it is worth taking immediate action, using gonadotropin we did not let the testicles shrink on the course, so after the course we are engaged in the restoration of their own testosterone here we will help drugs such as clomiphene citrate or tamoxifen citrate, as well as a supplement such as Tribulus or other testosterone boosters.

The use of chorionic gonadotropin:

For dilution of the drug use a solvent: sodium chloride r-p d/i 0.9%. It is sold freely in pharmacy chains. It is believed that gonadotropin should be put after the course, but this is fundamentally wrong, the testicles will already be reduced and it will not help you anything. It is better to put hCG in the middle or near the end of the course.

Example: if you have a course of 10 weeks, then put gonadotropin 1000ed during 6-7-8 weeks. Let's say 500 units twice a week on Wednesday and Saturday. That's 3000 units for three weeks. 9-10 we go out on short esters (for example: propionate-winstrol) and start recovery, for example with clomiphene or tamoxifen.

Such use helps to minimize side effects and prevents the testicles from shrinking a lot. Do not forget that because of the strong aromatization during the course of gonadotropin use it is worth using its inhibitors, e.g. Proviron or Arimidex.



Side effects of chorionic gonadotropin:

The side effects are fundamentally identical to testosterone
Strong Aromatization
Gynecomastia
Water retention
Closure of growth zones
Acne
 
bytuk said:
Do you mean a bridge ? Or rest from the cycle ? From reading the literature and watching videos: within two weeks after the last injection you can use hcg, but if later, it works the other way around and suppresses lg/fsg and there is already a set to turn off clomid.
For people who are planning to have children in the future, hhg is needed on dividing cycle, to stimulate lg/fsg. Also for the bridge.
And you say you don't need it.
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@bytuk If you plan to do post cycle therapy PCT then yes but if you plan to do TRT testosterone replacement therapy you can use hcg but it can be dangerous if abused (HCG issues:
www.evolutionary.org

HCG Dangers Exposed

These days, it's hard to separate fact from fiction, especially with the myriad of information floating out there on the internet. As a result, I've been more and more amazed by the continued abuse of HCG in bodybuilding. It seems users think human chorionic gonadotropin, better known as HCG...
www.evolutionary.org www.evolutionary.org
www.evolutionary.org

HCG is Dangerous Part 2

Using hcg at the end of a cycle or during post cycle therapy is counter-productive and dangerous Before reading part 2 of HCG dangers, Read Part 1 of HCG Dangers exposed: https://www.evolutionary.org/hcg-dangers-exposed/ When we use anabolic steroids, we all know that the pituitary glands...
www.evolutionary.org www.evolutionary.org

but if you want to do PCT
it would be 8 weeks
HCG 2 weeks
clomid 50/50/25/25/12.5
nolvadex 60/50/40/40/20/20/10
hcgenerate 5 caps ed
 
the_alcatraz said:
@bytuk If you plan to do post cycle therapy PCT then yes but if you plan to do TRT testosterone replacement therapy you can use hcg but it can be dangerous if abused (HCG issues:
www.evolutionary.org

HCG Dangers Exposed

These days, it's hard to separate fact from fiction, especially with the myriad of information floating out there on the internet. As a result, I've been more and more amazed by the continued abuse of HCG in bodybuilding. It seems users think human chorionic gonadotropin, better known as HCG...
www.evolutionary.org www.evolutionary.org
www.evolutionary.org

HCG is Dangerous Part 2

Using hcg at the end of a cycle or during post cycle therapy is counter-productive and dangerous Before reading part 2 of HCG dangers, Read Part 1 of HCG Dangers exposed: https://www.evolutionary.org/hcg-dangers-exposed/ When we use anabolic steroids, we all know that the pituitary glands...
www.evolutionary.org www.evolutionary.org

but if you want to do PCT
it would be 8 weeks
HCG 2 weeks
clomid 50/50/25/25/12.5
nolvadex 60/50/40/40/20/20/10
hcgenerate 5 caps ed
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I'm sorry, but I find these two articles absurd. Magdagachinskom advertising for pills and wrong idea about the work of hhg on lg function. I've been studying literature and videos for the last few months. In my opinion this is advertising.

Hg during long courses is needed to stimulate LH, so that not to atrophy the testicles. Especially if you plan to have children in the future.
And the scheme that you have provided: it is necessary to understand what testosterone ester was and to start clomid pct while the level of testosterone is still high there is no sense.
 
How I see the : hcgenerate
1) replace with ZMA complex
2) tribulus 2000-4000
3) Vitamin E - 300
And financially it will be more favorable and the dosage can be adjusted.
 
Chorionic gonadotropin

The combination of chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) and FSH preparations leads to a faster recovery of spermatogenesis. The effectiveness of using gonadotropin preparations for this purpose has been proven by a number of studies [51, 52]. The presumed effectiveness of this therapy is higher in patients after the use of AAS and ZHT because they had normal development in puberty [1]. Based on the study of M. Depenbusch et al. [52] it follows that maintenance of qualitative characteristics of spermatogenesis after its induction by GnRH or hCG and hGH preparations is possible when using hCG preparation as monotherapy. The combination of hCG preparations with FSH preparations, selective estrogen receptor modulators and aromatase blockers leads to normalization of spermatogenesis in men who received hormone replacement therapy with various testosterone preparations [53]. There is also evidence that the use of hCG preparations against the background of hormone replacement therapy is recommended to maintain normal spermatogenesis.
 
But the problems of rejuvenation of pre-retirement human organisms are of interest not only to Aesculapists in white coats, but also to bodybuilders of all stripes, because the drugs used by doctors to maintain the health of their patients are quite successfully used in various sports disciplines, including iron sports.
Today let's consider one of the most popular medications, which is not an anabolic steroid, while very much in demand, both among retirees and jocks.
Human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) is a polypeptide hormone that begins to be produced after fertilization of the egg and is a marker of pregnancy development.
It is a gonadotropic hormone, performing the function of luteinizing hormone and partially follicle-stimulating hormone.
It consists of two subunits: alpha and beta. While the α subunit of chorionic hormone is completely comparable to LH, FSH, and TTG, the β subunit of hCG is unique to this hormone and distinguishes it from other gonadotropins.
❗ It is worth noting that the thyroid activity of hCG is minimal and the drug cannot be considered a weight loss aid.
To maintain a healthy hormonal background in obese people in the process of weight loss on a low-calorie diet, it is better to resort to anti-estrogens (clomiphene and toremifene citrate).
✅ Injections can be given either intramuscularly or subcutaneously (higher bioavailability).
✅ To analyze performance, the free B-subunit assay should be used. Pharmacy pregnancy tests, by the way, are based on the determination of hCG in urine.
❗ In men, an increase of hCG above 5 mU/mL in the blood is possible either on the background of exogenous administration or in the presence of cancer.
✳️ hCG is used by men to combat azoospermia and oligospermia as a means to improve spermatogenesis, there may be variants of application against the background of primary hypogonadism (in case of violation of the hypothalamic-pituitary axis of regulation of sex hormone secretion).
✳️ In bodybuilding - used to achieve fertility and to preserve the size and efficiency of testicles on a course of anabolic steroids, to avoid their atrophy, as well as to increase the secretion of endogenous testosterone.
It is worth noting that in professional sports taking hCG will give you a positive doping test.
✳️ On long courses of AAS, the hypothalamus stops producing gonadotropin-releasing hormone and the higher the steroid dosages on the course, the faster the production of GnRH slows down and, as a consequence, the pituitary stops producing luteinizing hormone. Without LH, the testes "go to sleep" and stop producing testosterone.
✅ There are several schemes for taking chorionic gonadotropin on the AAS course. Weekly dosages of 1000-1500 IU divided into 1-2 injections are considered the safest. The scheme implies taking the drug from the 3rd week of the course until its completion (post-course therapy).
✅ There is a second option, when hCG is given once a quarter or even once every six months, for three weeks, but already in dosages of 1500 IU every 4 days. This option is more suitable for athletes who are on prolonged courses, mostly because of the simpler administration.
✅ Protocols for using hCG after a steroid cycle to accelerate further recovery on anti-estrogens involve injections of 1500-2500 IU every 3-4 days for two to three weeks.
❗ It should be noted that it is rational to consider the use of hCG in courses of more than 8 weeks, on shorter terms the probability of irretrievable atrophy of testicles is extremely low.
✅ Chorionic gonadotropin can also be used by athletes to maintain a normal hormonal profile in the process of eliminating the residual "tails" of the various ester chains of anabolic steroids before going on SCT.
❗ Due to the effect of chorionic gonadotropin on testosterone levels, the use of the drug will increase the levels of estradiol and dihydrotestosterone in the blood. It is worth taking this into account when selecting doses of aromatase inhibitors for a course.
HCG is sometimes used as a drug for hormone replacement therapy, but this solution has a number of disadvantages:

✳️ First, hCG injections need to be given every 3-4 days for an even background of hormones.
✳️ Second, there are problems with estradiol surges due to gonadal aromatization, which are difficult to control with aromatase inhibitors.
✳️ Third, testicular tolerance to gonadotropins may occur with prolonged hCG administration.
❗ Doses of 5000 IU at a time or the use of high doses of hCG over a long period of time can lead to desensitization of the testicles (reduce their sensitivity to LH)!
Research by the well-known Dr. Michael Scully has confirmed that desensitization of the testes does not occur with doses of human chorionic gonadotropin less than 1500 IU per week.
✳️ A weekly hormone replacement dosage of luteinizing hormone is generally considered to be ~1500 IU.
✳️ After a single injection of 1000-1500 IU, testosterone will be kept in the upper limits for the first 4 days, with a subsequent drop to the end of the week below reference values.
✳️ Weekly doses of 1000 IU or less will likely not cause a complete shutdown of hypothalamic-pituitary function.
✳️ Administration of hCG at dosages greater than 1500 IU per week will decrease the production of intrinsic gonadotropins and the higher the dosage, the faster this process will occur.
 
As I think for us men it is a very important factor, and if we plan in the future to have a full family and not to be fertile, it is obligatory to use hCG for long cycle and bridges.
 
bytuk said:
Do you mean a bridge ? Or rest from the cycle ? From reading the literature and watching videos: within two weeks after the last injection you can use hcg, but if later, it works the other way around and suppresses lg/fsg and there is already a set to turn off clomid.
For people who are planning to have children in the future, hhg is needed on dividing cycle, to stimulate lg/fsg. Also for the bridge.
And you say you don't need it.
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hcg is female pregnant urine made into synthetic form into a powder.

it has been pushed like crazy over the past 20 years from everything, from fertility to pct to fat loss even. all in all it has proven to be a major flop and i don't recommend it

it mimics LH in the body, that is all it does. in turn it will stimulate your leydig cells while also suppressing your pituitary glands. so your nuts plump up on it but it is doing hidden damage to your hpta that you will be blind to. only ignorant people recommend it in pct (rich piana used to push it post cycle out of ignorance) and those people who push it are all on TRT for life cause that strategy fails. i've heard these same idiots say things like 'it primes your balls'. what does that even mean lol? the hormones that make your nuts come back to life are being mimicked temporarily and your body will crash those hormones when using it. so its fools gold and the opposite of what we want in pct.

when it comes to fertility it is a desperate last resort type of thing when everything else has failed. because think about why. if you are suppressing your pituitary glands how does that help you in the long run produce sperm? we know the best fertility drug for men is clomid because it won't suppress anything in the body, it only blocks estrogen from feedbacking so it is a far safer option to try
 
stevesmi said:
hcg is female pregnant urine made into synthetic form into a powder.

it has been pushed like crazy over the past 20 years from everything, from fertility to pct to fat loss even. all in all it has proven to be a major flop and i don't recommend it

it mimics LH in the body, that is all it does. in turn it will stimulate your leydig cells while also suppressing your pituitary glands. so your nuts plump up on it but it is doing hidden damage to your hpta that you will be blind to. only ignorant people recommend it in pct (rich piana used to push it post cycle out of ignorance) and those people who push it are all on TRT for life cause that strategy fails. i've heard these same idiots say things like 'it primes your balls'. what does that even mean lol? the hormones that make your nuts come back to life are being mimicked temporarily and your body will crash those hormones when using it. so its fools gold and the opposite of what we want in pct.

when it comes to fertility it is a desperate last resort type of thing when everything else has failed. because think about why. if you are suppressing your pituitary glands how does that help you in the long run produce sperm? we know the best fertility drug for men is clomid because it won't suppress anything in the body, it only blocks estrogen from feedbacking so it is a far safer option to try
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Clomid as a treatment to raise lg/fsh and testosterone is exactly what is needed.
And I believe that this is the way to go.
But about stimulation of HCG on the course based on literature, video, much better recovery after long cycle and faster starts the arc.
 
bytuk said:
Clomid as a treatment to raise lg/fsh and testosterone is exactly what is needed.
And I believe that this is the way to go.
But about stimulation of HCG on the course based on literature, video, much better recovery after long cycle and faster starts the arc.
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@bytuk look no one is saying dont use hcg but you're here to learn from the professionals and you're arguing based on 5 articles you read? I've been in this game for 20 years and have 4 bodybuilding titles and over 200 clients I think I and the community know what we are talking about with HCG being dangerous.

Now you can use it but it has to be short term 2 weeks max and PCT based only.
 
bytuk said:
How I see the : hcgenerate
1) replace with ZMA complex
2) tribulus 2000-4000
3) Vitamin E - 300
And financially it will be more favorable and the dosage can be adjusted.
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@bytuk you didnt research it right you forget Fadogia and you forget the quality for vitamin E used

and if you dont want to buy hcgenerate, dont, no one twisting you arms, we are just giving you the best options
 
the_alcatraz said:
@bytuk look no one is saying dont use hcg but you're here to learn from the professionals and you're arguing based on 5 articles you read? I've been in this game for 20 years and have 4 bodybuilding titles and over 200 clients I think I and the community know what we are talking about with HCG being dangerous.

Now you can use it but it has to be short term 2 weeks max and PCT based only.
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You do not think that I was trying to argue, I want to understand from personal experience of people about the work of hhg. And looking at the Russian school of bodybuilding and its use they have a different view. I'm trying to find that line between this and that.
Thank you very much for your help and advice. I appreciate it.
 
the_alcatraz said:
@bytuk you didnt research it right you forget Fadogia and you forget the quality for vitamin E used

and if you dont want to buy hcgenerate, dont, no one twisting you arms, we are just giving you the best options
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I'm from Europe myself. And reading your answers there are things that we do not even talk about. And it is not usual for me to read this, thank you for your feedback. As soon as I learn something new, I immediately analyze it.
 
You do not think that I was trying to argue, I want to understand from personal experience of people about the work of hhg. And looking at the Russian school of bodybuilding and its use they have a different view. I'm trying to find that line between this and that.
Thank you very much for your help and advice. I appreciate it.
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bros I respect Russian school of bodybuilding im sure you gots big monsters, but the big play is from USA all PRO bodybuilders here
 
You do not think that I was trying to argue, I want to understand from personal experience of people about the work of hhg. And looking at the Russian school of bodybuilding and its use they have a different view. I'm trying to find that line between this and that.
Thank you very much for your help and advice. I appreciate it.
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real info is from USA we got the big stuff for you

i only have clients using hcg 2 weeks max 3
 
You do not think that I was trying to argue, I want to understand from personal experience of people about the work of hhg. And looking at the Russian school of bodybuilding and its use they have a different view. I'm trying to find that line between this and that.
Thank you very much for your help and advice. I appreciate it.
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hcg was linked to estrogenic-related cancer, go research it
 
I am from Europe, not Russia. I try to analyze both USA and Russia, forums, videos, scientific articles.
But thank you all very much for such a response and help, it is very important. Thank you guys for your hard work.
 
We have in our access there is also such a variant after course therapy, here is the composition: PCT - Tamoxifen 20 mg + Clomiphene 50 mg + Mesterolone 25 mg + tadalafil 7.5 mg.
 
bytuk said:
As I think for us men it is a very important factor, and if we plan in the future to have a full family and not to be fertile, it is obligatory to use hCG for long cycle and bridges.
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Nope, nope and nope.
1) That's wrong. You mean INFERTILE
2) NO average Joe NEEDS to do LONG cycles. Feel free to argue why
3) Who actually needs to bridge and why are you then suggesting using HCG if you stay on (aka bridge or cruise)? How can you want to recover using HCG and then stay on - makes no sense
 
bytuk said:
Clomid as a treatment to raise lg/fsh and testosterone is exactly what is needed.
And I believe that this is the way to go.
But about stimulation of HCG on the course based on literature, video, much better recovery after long cycle and faster starts the arc.
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hcg works for feeding your leydig cells. but look what it does to your pituitary glands. let's say you did use it in pct, all you are doing is delaying recovery. what gets people confused is they nuts plump up on hcg, so they think they are recovering and they aren't

there has actually never been studies that show hcg works for male fertility. the only study that ever showed anything helped male fertility was a stack of clomid + vitamin E. that is it.
 
I am the biggest proponent you are going to find about doing due diligence and research... One issue that does come along with it is information that is skewed or just incorrect... Information in text is always the go to and rightfully so, but real world experience can counter information that gets put out as well.. I have coached thousands upon thousands of people over the last decade and one of the biggest issues i have had to deal with in terms of people having issues is either hcg misuse or abuse... there is a lot more to it than some lead on and the misuse of it has led to some severe long term issues.. many on here have already brought these to your attention but in reality, hcg is suppressive and estrogenic.. hcg use in pct has caused many to have issues with recovery etc... it has been touched on enough here that i am not going to further get into that aspect but understand from someone who has been around this with actual people, many professional athletes, using it with issues, i can affirm there is in fact large issues with it and thats why you rarely see me recommend it and if i do, its in 4 week MAX spurts of use...

the issue i will also touch on that i briefly saw on here was in regards to fertility.. when it comes to TRUE fertility repair, hcg is the lowest of the three required to make it ACTUALLY work.. the combination of HMG, clomid and hcg is what has show to work even in those with zero sperm counts but HMG is the actual key... hcg is the least needed of the three but the three in conjunction does give the best chance of fertility repair.. this is one of the only circumstances where i do recommend a bit longer use as needed to provide the very best chance of repair, but keep in mind that overuse of HCG has led to many issues with long term issues with test numbers and many issues that one sees with hypogonadism in general.. you do whatever you think you know or feel is best, but you may want to listen to people that actually have coached this for a living as opposed to you reading a few articles etc..

good luck with everything, i wish you nothing but the best
 
dylangemelli said:
I am the biggest proponent you are going to find about doing due diligence and research... One issue that does come along with it is information that is skewed or just incorrect... Information in text is always the go to and rightfully so, but real world experience can counter information that gets put out as well.. I have coached thousands upon thousands of people over the last decade and one of the biggest issues i have had to deal with in terms of people having issues is either hcg misuse or abuse... there is a lot more to it than some lead on and the misuse of it has led to some severe long term issues.. many on here have already brought these to your attention but in reality, hcg is suppressive and estrogenic.. hcg use in pct has caused many to have issues with recovery etc... it has been touched on enough here that i am not going to further get into that aspect but understand from someone who has been around this with actual people, many professional athletes, using it with issues, i can affirm there is in fact large issues with it and thats why you rarely see me recommend it and if i do, its in 4 week MAX spurts of use...

the issue i will also touch on that i briefly saw on here was in regards to fertility.. when it comes to TRUE fertility repair, hcg is the lowest of the three required to make it ACTUALLY work.. the combination of HMG, clomid and hcg is what has show to work even in those with zero sperm counts but HMG is the actual key... hcg is the least needed of the three but the three in conjunction does give the best chance of fertility repair.. this is one of the only circumstances where i do recommend a bit longer use as needed to provide the very best chance of repair, but keep in mind that overuse of HCG has led to many issues with long term issues with test numbers and many issues that one sees with hypogonadism in general.. you do whatever you think you know or feel is best, but you may want to listen to people that actually have coached this for a living as opposed to you reading a few articles etc..

good luck with everything, i wish you nothing but the best
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Thank you very much for your words.
I understand correctly that if the cycle is 16 weeks / after that it is possible 4 weeks of hhg during the bridge, twice a week, say 500. And then the next course without ?
 
bytuk said:
Thank you very much for your words.
I understand correctly that if the cycle is 16 weeks / after that it is possible 4 weeks of hhg during the bridge, twice a week, say 500. And then the next course without ?
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No, no and no bro… if you are intent on using it you definitely would not use something suppressive right after a cycle. You would use it the last four weeks of your cycle up until pct starts and no more than 1000 ius per week…
 
dylangemelli said:
No, no and no bro… if you are intent on using it you definitely would not use something suppressive right after a cycle. You would use it the last four weeks of your cycle up until pct starts and no more than 1000 ius per week…
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Yeah, I got it. Thanks a lot.
 
bytuk said:
Thank you very much for your words.
I understand correctly that if the cycle is 16 weeks / after that it is possible 4 weeks of hhg during the bridge, twice a week, say 500. And then the next course without ?
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Again - a bridge is staying on at a low dose. Meaning you're still suppressing natural production. So why then use HCG?

Also why stay on for 16 weeks THEN bridge? Or are you ignoring these questions because you've made your mind up and don't wish to question the logic?
 
SteveMobsterG said:
Again - a bridge is staying on at a low dose. Meaning you're still suppressing natural production. So why then use HCG?

Also why stay on for 16 weeks THEN bridge? Or are you ignoring these questions because you've made your mind up and don't wish to question the logic?
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As for the bridge after 16 weeks of the course, the goal is to give the CNS and the body a rest from heavy training, and to relieve the stomach from food load.
Leave on the bridge that would not lose the gained meat for the course, and after passing the analysis to enter the next cycle.
I feel like you are angry at my posts, I am glad to repeat I am not going to argue or try to prove anything. Everything I found and wrote is also in the research, and it turns out that there is no better protocol, only experience.
 
bytuk said:
As for the bridge after 16 weeks of the course, the goal is to give the CNS and the body a rest from heavy training, and to relieve the stomach from food load.
Leave on the bridge that would not lose the gained meat for the course, and after passing the analysis to enter the next cycle.
I feel like you are angry at my posts, I am glad to repeat I am not going to argue or try to prove anything. Everything I found and wrote is also in the research, and it turns out that there is no better protocol, only experience.
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If it was true that you'd lose gains by not staying on then everyone that's both had time off and done a PCT OR trained naturally would never get bigger. The reason why those that lose gains made on cycle (and obviously no one keeps ALL the gains) is they fail to adjust both training or diet to suit the new size/muscle/gains. Simply put doing what you did BEFORE again after is obviously gonna make you lose muscle etc. Even using test without the food or stimulus does little. If you DID include some stimulus and ate a little more - even when bridging - you'd keep more. You suggest eating less, to have a rest, keeps muscle. I GET that you wont be kicking quite as much ass in the gym on less. That's ok. No one, on or off, canm go balls out, as it were, all the time.

Forget the stomach load thing. You really do NOT need to eat that much more food to grow. And you'll need to eat a bit more (see above) than before the cycle anyway. Plus your idea suggests that it's ok not to eat more (a little remember) and to rest the CNS (ok but again a little more stimulus to keep the new muscle) but to CONTINUE to suppress the ability to produce your own testosterone... that's a no. And, as has been pointed out, HCG plumps the balls and yet you're still not producing any off (or very little) your own test.

I've written on the stupidity of bridging. Again and again those who think it's a good idea, eps those (as per your own suggestion in an earlier reply) who might want to maintain fertility in case they want kids (or more kids) will moan they they fu*ked themselves and wished they'd listened. You can find threads like that on EVERY forum.

I also asked (not angrily lol) why 16 weeks for an average Joe is a good idea... then staying on (aka doing a bridge). It makes a LOT more sense to do short cycles with proper off time and PCT's than staying on cycle for a 1/3rd of the year and then staying on. So address why the 16 weeks too

Finally Stevesmi pointed out that the research does NOT support use. What research used athletes using PEDs at far above medical use levels and or those same athletes choosing to stay on. NONE. So you can and have shown how HCG worked in 1 example but not how you suggest you wanna use it. Ergo pointless. There are very few examples of ANY studies where they actually monitor what you do (most that are close ASK you) and use anything close to PED use levels. And then NONE where that includes following up PED use with HCG use.

On the food thing: the reason why most gym trainees wanting to grow don't is 1) they don't train with the intensity required (they just think they do), 2) a poor diet only eating properly..., cue shock... when on PEDs... when they gain!! Then... lord help us... eat less off and lose their gains... well d'uh. When 'on' they lift more, do more reps and eat more = gains!! Ditto doing the same and expecting more. Even the plateau thing is over done. Look around your gym and count how many are actually kicking butt and growing.
 
bytuk said:
Of course, I will look at the general health and tests, but the plan is to bridge. Further understanding of the goal, and making a decision.
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Your opening post and a few subsequent posts suggested a PCT. Staying on / bridging knocks that idea on the head
 
SteveMobsterG said:
If it was true that you'd lose gains by not staying on then everyone that's both had time off and done a PCT OR trained naturally would never get bigger. The reason why those that lose gains made on cycle (and obviously no one keeps ALL the gains) is they fail to adjust both training or diet to suit the new size/muscle/gains. Simply put doing what you did BEFORE again after is obviously gonna make you lose muscle etc. Even using test without the food or stimulus does little. If you DID include some stimulus and ate a little more - even when bridging - you'd keep more. You suggest eating less, to have a rest, keeps muscle. I GET that you wont be kicking quite as much ass in the gym on less. That's ok. No one, on or off, canm go balls out, as it were, all the time.

Forget the stomach load thing. You really do NOT need to eat that much more food to grow. And you'll need to eat a bit more (see above) than before the cycle anyway. Plus your idea suggests that it's ok not to eat more (a little remember) and to rest the CNS (ok but again a little more stimulus to keep the new muscle) but to CONTINUE to suppress the ability to produce your own testosterone... that's a no. And, as has been pointed out, HCG plumps the balls and yet you're still not producing any off (or very little) your own test.

I've written on the stupidity of bridging. Again and again those who think it's a good idea, eps those (as per your own suggestion in an earlier reply) who might want to maintain fertility in case they want kids (or more kids) will moan they they fu*ked themselves and wished they'd listened. You can find threads like that on EVERY forum.

I also asked (not angrily lol) why 16 weeks for an average Joe is a good idea... then staying on (aka doing a bridge). It makes a LOT more sense to do short cycles with proper off time and PCT's than staying on cycle for a 1/3rd of the year and then staying on. So address why the 16 weeks too

Finally Stevesmi pointed out that the research does NOT support use. What research used athletes using PEDs at far above medical use levels and or those same athletes choosing to stay on. NONE. So you can and have shown how HCG worked in 1 example but not how you suggest you wanna use it. Ergo pointless. There are very few examples of ANY studies where they actually monitor what you do (most that are close ASK you) and use anything close to PED use levels. And then NONE where that includes following up PED use with HCG use.

On the food thing: the reason why most gym trainees wanting to grow don't is 1) they don't train with the intensity required (they just think they do), 2) a poor diet only eating properly..., cue shock... when on PEDs... when they gain!! Then... lord help us... eat less off and lose their gains... well d'uh. When 'on' they lift more, do more reps and eat more = gains!! Ditto doing the same and expecting more. Even the plateau thing is over done. Look around your gym and count how many are actually kicking butt and growing.
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I agree with you completely. And thank you for your words.
About the Cycle length and going on Pct: I did not consider this option, I decided after 16 weeks to go on trt doses for retention and rest 4-8 weeks. Maybe I will have some changes in my life and then I will go on short ether like propionate and go on Pct. Tnx a lot .
 
Unfortunately the link doesn't show up.
I would say that I don't know anything about peptides and I am interested in this topic.
 
I figured out what the problem is, the system administrator put a block on YouTube. That's why I can't see
 
Thanks more , I will definitely watch your videos . I have already familiarized myself with some of them.
 
Update us with the tests the diet and keep the log rolling forward. The more details the better
 
As soon as I get the test results. I'll attach them.
I think I'll have the result by August 31st in the evening.
 
As soon as I get the test results. I'll attach them.
I think I'll have the result by August 31st in the evening.
 
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