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My first tren only cycle. 5 weeks, 400mg a week.

snakeryu

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I'm about 185 lbs height 5'7 or 5'6.

I'm going to keep my calories high on this cycle to see how well this goes to see if this is great for strength/ bulking cycle. Most of you will say I should extend it and I would love to but I have my reasons why I'm doing it for 5 weeks only. Why am I using tren only well because I don't want the estrogenic properties which will induce gyno from the test and plus I don't want to retain alot of fat from consuming too much calories like I have from using test. Depending in how this cycles goes I might stack it with test and dbol or deca next cycle I do.

tren Ace 100mg EOD = 400mg a week (5 weeks long)


I'll start on FEB. 13 or FEB. 20 . I just can't wait :evil:
 
With me on test 400 I cut the estrogen levels with nolvadex and natural estrogen blockers.
Also with test 400 I noticed I didn't consume asany calories as I normally did with dbol_,,,but I have been during a crossfit type workout with my weight training.
 
Fawk it, i started it earlier couldn't wait , im already behind schedule.

Tuesday/1:04am, 100mg today will be taking at .5mg caber at 2:00am.

it should kick in by the time I wake up, hopefully.
 
k, just finish with my second injection of 100mg of tren on wednesday 4:30pm, I'm still feeling nothing .. I'm going to get some vitamin b6 for the prolactin , just to be safe if the caber is not enough and try to go for 600mg a day if i can tolerate it.
 
3rd injection and damn my delts hurts, feels like a throbbin pain buts been reduce as times progresses. still nothing maybe more of a pump but not strength yet. When am i suppose too feel the incredible strength people been saying? Is it 7-14 days? I do end up waking early alittle more now though.
 
Hell, i feel it after the first week. But then I have already been on test, deca, dbol, and eq for four weeks. I also use exemestane and letro along with nolva. I would personally add a low dose of test, say 250mg/week. But interested in your results. I love tren myself.
 
I still don't have that incredible strength but I'm getting more pumps on my lifts. No limp dick but I find it harder to orgasm though. This is Monday, tomorrow is my next injection of 100mg. I don't understand shouldn't I have enough mg of tren in my body to train like a beast or is it not attaching to the receptors? Never used aceate but whats the delay?
 
I am not sure what the delay can be? Just be patient. I have been training over 20 years (I am an old fart now) and can say nothing is "IMMEDIATE".
Supplementing does work and I believe you choice in supplements is a good one. Like I said Young Jedi, be patient, train hard, maximize your nutrition intake, and get a lot of rest....it will come.
 
will be taking two days off (sat/sun) to see how well my muscle recover and replenish its glycogen. It kind of feels like I just might need more rest. Anybody recommend a stair stepper because the extra weight definetaly makes it hard to run and my lower legs seem so small compare to my upper body. I do squats but as my previous cycle I don't have a stand for the barbell to lift 200 to 300 lbs of the floor. My friend has one and I want to know if I should borrow that mini stair stepper. (?)

I have to inject 200mg on sat to make it 400mg.. If i don't feel it on sunday or monday I'm declaring this thing bunk...
 
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you would be better off, at that dosage when you come off all hell breaks loose!
 
Do you think that the aceate half life is too short for doing EOD injection and I should of done ED instead? I thought the aceate should of work instantly why does it take so long to feel the strength or gains from it?


In my next cycle which won't be until a year from now, is going to be 10 weeks of tren Ethanlate and possibly with a higher dosage of it.
 
Do you think that the aceate half life is too short for doing EOD injection and I should of done ED instead? I thought the aceate should of work instantly why does it take so long to feel the strength or gains from it?


In my next cycle which won't be until a year from now, is going to be 10 weeks of tren Ethanlate and possibly with a higher dosage of it.

You're fine EOD, BTW drop the nova, Tren and Nova don't mix
 
well will fine out how tomorrow feels when I workout, I should be able to lift heavier than before, hopefully. tren Ace is stronger than enthalate so how would i dose the tren enthalate to make it even stronger than I'm taking right now. so would I boost it up to 600mg every week or less/more??? 10 weeks or more???


oh I'm not taking any nolva just caber and some vitamin b6, zinc and magnesium. supposely they have some effect on the prolactin.
 
monday didn't do to well because my calories and glycogen must have been depleted since i didn't get to eat during class which was 6 hours long. I can tell you though i tend to feel irritated or annoyed alittle more now.
 
Well I just change my routine, instead of lifting heavy for 4 to 6 reps, i now do 10 to 13 reps of a moderate weight and I do feel alot better, I no longer feel slugish and it feels like I'm tearing down the muscle using static hold and eccentric techniques. I have more flexability and I look alittle more trim after I finished training today. It could be that I might i've been using more momentum and thats why I haven't really seen any gains or maybe my body just responds better with working out this way. If I feel alot stronger friday then its working and the fault was on my workouts these past two weeks. I'll post a picture friday. I'm still at 190lbs.
 
I weight about 193 lbs right now. I do get insomina but not too drastic that I can't get a good 8 hr. sleep. two days ago I felt a neck/chest/ shoulder type of strain, not sure if it was a heart attack but I trained it off with the high reps scheme and the feeling went away. Can't really say that I've gain any strength but will see how sunday workout feels. from the look of the old picture from my test and dbol cycle at a 190lbs Its looks like i was carrying more BF% compare to wat I look right now at a 190 on tren. I'll post a picture, just trying to figure wat to upload and finishing on blacking things out. you either see it today or tomorrow so that u can decide if there was any changes.

My thoughts on tren so far: It seems like an alright stand alone compound to use for a competition for a bodybuilding show. I still got about two weeks left but i think doing a 500mg of test a week and 100mg of var ed would be a better option not sure yet. Their our side effects that I felt at this dose but not harsh, Had some angry thoughts, mild insomina, moderate fatigue,and problems in trying to achieve an orgasm.
 
Not sure if I'm starting to feel it but was able to lift 2 to 3 extra reps on some of my lifts. I'm About 190lbs.

lol you are up 5 lbs and you got an extra couple reps and you are not sure if you are feeling it?!?!

lmao, good luck with this cycle bro. Short and simple, I am interested in the results!
 
k wednesday will be my last day of consuming high calories for the bulking experiment, I didn't really get much strength that I was looking for from this cycle so I'm changing my routine and calorie intake. I want to really drop some of my bf% so I'm going drop my calories and start doing high intensity cardio and some moderate cardio twice a day, all the way to the last week. Its going to be hell but I can do it and I don't have to worry about my muscle canabolizing itself. I want to see how it effects on cutting , since Ive already seen its potential for bulking since it really didn't give much strength just a couple of reps nothing more, that way I can decide if I should go with the tren route on cutting on my next cycle.

I might of gain 5 pounds but where's the strength, so I don't know if its fat or muscle??? I do look bulkier but was looking for the strength for this cycle. The EOD injection is a pain in the ass. I'm never doing short ester again lol.
 
I'm pretty sure a low dose of test and a high dose of tren would be a good strength/bulk/cut cycle. Right now I'm having difficulty losing that stubborn fat around the mid section. how do u guyz do it. Is it a low calorie diet or a ketosis diet? I really want to lose it because it really does hold me back from throwing strikes efficently and too manuevering my body so quick. Its when I sit, I can really see and grip the flabby skin. i'm pretty sure u u guyz can see that fat on the pictures.
 
I'm pretty sure a low dose of test and a high dose of tren would be a good strength/bulk/cut cycle. Right now I'm having difficulty losing that stubborn fat around the mid section. how do u guyz do it. Is it a low calorie diet or a ketosis diet? I really want to lose it because it really does hold me back from throwing strikes efficently and too manuevering my body so quick. Its when I sit, I can really see and grip the flabby skin. i'm pretty sure u u guyz can see that fat on the pictures.

50/20/30 split a couple hundred cals below maintanence seems to work well for me

you should have cut before this cycle imo, you're bf% has gotta be pretty high
 
just had an omelat, two apples, carrots, coffe in the morning. chicken, carrots, peas, lettuce for lunch and will have it for dinner as well with a protein shake. hope thats a decent meal? it doesn't look like my bf% went up when i was boosting my calories for bulking or maybe my calories weren't high enough.

hey do you think smoking some canabis will increase prolactin in anyway , i google it and getting some mixed information, where it might increase estrogen etc..
 
man im getting lower back pains, actually they feel like more on the kidney. I ownder if its the protein shakes or the tren.
 
Just keep drinking lots of water! Everybody responds differently to various aas sounds like working for you just not responding like some do is all. Sounds like not too many sides tho

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Hey you sure your stuff is Real. Have you gotten any blood work done or any other sides from it? I think you should be noticing alot more gains in strength and size from it.
 
I felt my strength go up about 7 days into EOD tren ace. Everyone is different and there's always the option of your gear being bunk.


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B]My thoughts and experience on tren Ace during these past 4 weeks and the mid 5th.


I'm pretty sure its real but i think it could of been underdose or I just responded differently to this compound. My brother says i look bigger and I do seem alittle more trimmer than before but will I ever do this cycle again? no. Would i recommend it to anybody who's looking to bulk up or build strength? no. Would this cycle work better for cutting? maybe but I believe ur better off using test and winny for that and probbaly get ur money worthout of it.

[My muscle quickly became so hard and full after one day of rest and I was able to train EOD but the strength wasn't dramatic. I took a day and two to see if I just needed more rest, but i felt the same as taking one day off. Has my strength increase? yes, but not much. It definitely lowers my respiratory system, it felt like I was breathing through a straw , well not that quite outrageous but u get the picture. Short ester's our not for me, I do not enjoy sticking myself EOD, going through a nerve at times, the solution being injected causing your muscle to ache. Had low energy but yet still felt strong, felt like a zombie mostly, this is hard to explain. I had minor side effects like i've explain before. No bloat ,which was a great thing. I tried cutting in a 4 day period and it seems like I should of used this for cutting because I was able to maintain my strength at a low calorie and ketosis diet. The funny thing is though I want to be done with this cycle already so I can go back to my high intensity cardio activites, but yet I still want to have it for the full 5th week, so I can max out on some of my lifts. I really hope the shut down is not going to be intense where I would lose the mass and strength.[/B]
 
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You can't make your mind what do you want from your cycle.

1st you started bulking u stopped cause u didn't like it
You started cutting u stopped cause it was to hard for you.

Tell u what Tren has to be the most powerfull anabolic out there.

If you know your goals, you will get what u are looking from a cycle.
 
I felt my strength go up about 7 days into EOD tren ace. Everyone is different and there's always the option of your gear being bunk.


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I felt it within a day or two and its been 10 now and strengh is still increasing and i'm on a calorie restricted diet......nothing short of amazing nothing compares to it imo
 
I felt it within a day or two and its been 10 now and strengh is still increasing and i'm on a calorie restricted diet......nothing short of amazing nothing compares to it imo

I get more muscle gains from tren then strength.

Tren makes me really lean and hard
I get good quality gains.
 
I get more muscle gains from tren then strength.

Tren makes me really lean and hard
I get good quality gains.

oh definitly, its changing the whole composition of my body as well....I was already running mast prop at 700mg/week 2 weeks prior to starting tren so I was already hardening up nicely but now its just getting ridiculous lol
 
Right from the begining i said this was an experiment not a true cycle. Wanted to see if this compound was for me or not. I pretty much got my answer. I'm pretty sure test and tren would be a great cycle but am i going to risk gyno issue from the estrogen and prolactin? no. test increases the protein synthesis while tren alone only decrease protein synthesis and degradation (which is great for cutting) but yet they both compete for the same receptors, the combination to me is confusing. I'm guessing since I'm not able to build much muscle tissue there for I wasn't able to build much strength. Maybe ur definition of strength is different from mine? I'll post another picture later and try to compare it with my dbol and test cycle and see if theres any difference. I actually take that back I might do this again but will use it only as a cutter and run it for 10 weeks using tren E, reason is that I do look more trimmer than before.
 
i haven't been on for awhile because of the shut down I'm experience such as depression and some anger, which is a surprise. I'm on a ketosis diet even at a time like this and it doesn't seem like I'm losing strength but I'm cutting good amount of fat, but since I have no glycogen in the muscle I look more fat , but yet somehow more trim around the waist. I'll post a picture after a done completely. Also my cock doesn't seem to be working right now, which sucks, but hopefully another week I'll get mr. woody back.
 
Good news my peter is working again. I dropped alot of water weight, I'm about 183lbs with no carbs. I was really thinking of going 750mg of test next time when I get some cash. At 500mg of test I could dish out more sets and incorporate more exercise in one session. So I would think 750mg wwould be the sweet spot for me in gaining alot more mass/strength.
 
Good news my peter is working again. I dropped alot of water weight, I'm about 183lbs with no carbs. I was really thinking of going 750mg of test next time when I get some cash. At 500mg of test I could dish out more sets and incorporate more exercise in one session. So I would think 750mg wwould be the sweet spot for me in gaining alot more mass/strength.

I think 750 is alot but....

Am glad to hear ur buddy is back your prolactin must of been high
 
first off you have NO CLUE on what you are doing. You keep changing your goals on how you want to do this Tren Only cycle.

Before starting any kind of cycle, you should have just 1 goal in mind and sticking with it. Then u should figure out your diet based on according to your goals and ask for advice first.

You started off bulking, then from march 1 to march 3 you decided to do a cutting diet, u said u didnt feel like it was healthy and went back to bulking? Sounded like it was too hard for you. Now you are doing a keto diet?? How is doing a low carb diet more unhealthy than doing a no carb keto diet?

If you stick with 1 set goal with a diet in check, stay with it for at least 4 weeks, along with tren, u should see sum results either being its working or not. Then by that time you can add in test prop at 200-250mg per week to see if the results change.

tren is the most powerful steroid being 500/500. If you dont see any kind of results or any difference then it shows u dont know what you are doing or your gear is bunk as shit. 400mg of tren ace is more than enuff for a beginner.

Im not sure how many cycles u have done in the past, but judging by your pics, you look like shit. Your bodyfat is at least 25 percent so why on earth wpuld you want to start a bulking cycle?

Alot of people said you should start a cycle with a low body fat percentage but IMO i think you can start a cycle with a higher bodyfat but instead with 1 goal in mind and that is to cut. Your pic clearly shows you need to cut not to bulk.

Im not sure what kind of stories are you hearing with tren and strength gains but tren is strictly used in a cutting cycle. Say for example, u can bench 225x10, you start cutting you would obviously would not be able to maintain a 225x10 bench with restricted caloies, you would probably get 185x10 or whatever, but if u add tren into the mix, you can probably bench 205x10 or if anything still stay benching 225x10 with a lower restricted calorie diet., or if u can only get 205x5 on a calorie reduced diet add some tren u can get 205x10 ... these are just some examples of strength gain

It seems to me you think that by adding tren you should be bench another 45lb plate on each side of your bench second week into a tren cycle.

IMO, if u really want to do a cycle, u should do a cutting cycle being with whatever cutting compounds u want to choose, example, test tren, test masteron anavar, test winny, blah blah etc.. Your pics shows us that you are out of shape and doesnt even seem like u work out.

IF u do it right, if u decide to do a 10 week cycle for example, you could possible grow as the cycle comes to a finish, by losing body fat and gaining few pounds of muscle.
 
dieting is hard. if dieting was so easy, u have everyone in the usa walking around with 6 pack abs.

you are asking so much questions mid cycle about how to diet??? thats such a waste of gear, time, money and of course damaging your body.

u should of been asking these questions before cycle

u seem to somewhat understand whats going on with the new in regards to juice by stating tren and test both fight for the same receptors and u obviously know bout adding caber to tren to battle tren dick, so im not sure how u missed the part on how diet plays a big role on ur results?

u know how to use gear but gear is only 20 percent and diet is 80 percent
 
Ouch! attacking me on your first post, were you like ban from another forum or something? Are u just bored? did u lose ur job? who hurt u? was it obama?

No one knows 100% in what these drugs will do without trying it out for themselves, alot of misinformation out there in the internet, so can you really insult or attack me for that. I came to this forum seeking help not be ridicule. I set this journal to provide my experience to others who are still new to this game and obtain some help. Like i said this was an experiment not a true cycle Wanted to see how it effected me. Still experiemnting these different compounds and dosage before I truly decide to do something big.

Didn't know what to expect when I did tren, Wasn't seeing any result for strength or bulking, so I changed it but went back to it because cutting was pointless after i was almost done, especially, when other stated there opinion and it made sense.

I feel better from a keto than a low calorie diet, thats just me. Yes dieting is hard but using a drug to help you cut is kind of a waste of money If I'm around 190lb. I know how to diet when bulking, you increase your calories but with the right carbohydrates and proteins. I don't need a lecture from you in why or how to use a compound to cut, its basic knowledge.

Do I know how to diet in cutting? no. because I really never cared until it started effecting my performance. I'm not trying to be a bodybuilder, thats not my goal. Right now the keto I'm doing seems to be helping. I think my tren was underdose but not completely bunk, but I will never buy tren from my guy again, just planning on sticking with the test with a higher dosage. Its cheaper and it has a balance of anabolic and androgen, so I will stick with that.

You gave me no info about anything that I've already known and have seen on the internet, all you did was ridicule me. Here's a lession for ya , if you want somebody to listen to ya, don't insult them.
 
first off you have NO CLUE on what you are doing. You keep changing your goals on how you want to do this Tren Only cycle.

Before starting any kind of cycle, you should have just 1 goal in mind and sticking with it. Then u should figure out your diet based on according to your goals and ask for advice first.

You started off bulking, then from march 1 to march 3 you decided to do a cutting diet, u said u didnt feel like it was healthy and went back to bulking? Sounded like it was too hard for you. Now you are doing a keto diet?? How is doing a low carb diet more unhealthy than doing a no carb keto diet?

If you stick with 1 set goal with a diet in check, stay with it for at least 4 weeks, along with tren, u should see sum results either being its working or not. Then by that time you can add in test prop at 200-250mg per week to see if the results change.

tren is the most powerful steroid being 500/500. If you dont see any kind of results or any difference then it shows u dont know what you are doing or your gear is bunk as shit. 400mg of tren ace is more than enuff for a beginner.

Im not sure how many cycles u have done in the past, but judging by your pics, you look like shit. Your bodyfat is at least 25 percent so why on earth wpuld you want to start a bulking cycle?

Alot of people said you should start a cycle with a low body fat percentage but IMO i think you can start a cycle with a higher bodyfat but instead with 1 goal in mind and that is to cut. Your pic clearly shows you need to cut not to bulk.

Im not sure what kind of stories are you hearing with tren and strength gains but tren is strictly used in a cutting cycle. Say for example, u can bench 225x10, you start cutting you would obviously would not be able to maintain a 225x10 bench with restricted caloies, you would probably get 185x10 or whatever, but if u add tren into the mix, you can probably bench 205x10 or if anything still stay benching 225x10 with a lower restricted calorie diet., or if u can only get 205x5 on a calorie reduced diet add some tren u can get 205x10 ... these are just some examples of strength gain

It seems to me you think that by adding tren you should be bench another 45lb plate on each side of your bench second week into a tren cycle.

IMO, if u really want to do a cycle, u should do a cutting cycle being with whatever cutting compounds u want to choose, example, test tren, test masteron anavar, test winny, blah blah etc.. Your pics shows us that you are out of shape and doesnt even seem like u work out.

IF u do it right, if u decide to do a 10 week cycle for example, you could possible grow as the cycle comes to a finish, by losing body fat and gaining few pounds of muscle.
first post or not he's right bro wether you wanna hear it or not...just by reading this post this guy knows what he's talking about 1 post or not. Instead of taking offense you should take the constructive critisism
 
how could i not take this offensive, I'm pretty sure there is a better way re-wording that. Theres no helpful information I can really use from his post, Seen it all before online. tren 500/500 potent, diet and training 80% for muscle growth and drug is only 20% ... blah blah etc.... Since tren was so potent why didn't I recieve any gains from it like I obtain from test but even better. Like i said, could of been underdose, My intentions were never really to cut but to bulk and I hate to see it go to waste or beleive it was bunk, so wanted to try a different method. The only thing I can maybe use from his post as constructive, is just to stick with something i already know like test. Do i need to cut? yes, but will do it without AAS.
 
Ouch! attacking me on your first post, were you like ban from another forum or something? Are u just bored? did u lose ur job? who hurt u? was it obama?

No one knows 100% in what these drugs will do without trying it out for themselves, alot of misinformation out there in the internet, so can you really insult or attack me for that. I came to this forum seeking help not be ridicule. I set this journal to provide my experience to others who are still new to this game and obtain some help. Like i said this was an experiment not a true cycle Wanted to see how it effected me. Still experiemnting these different compounds and dosage before I truly decide to do something big.

Didn't know what to expect when I did tren, Wasn't seeing any result for strength or bulking, so I changed it but went back to it because cutting was pointless after i was almost done, especially, when other stated there opinion and it made sense.

I feel better from a keto than a low calorie diet, thats just me. Yes dieting is hard but using a drug to help you cut is kind of a waste of money If I'm around 190lb. I know how to diet when bulking, you increase your calories but with the right carbohydrates and proteins. I don't need a lecture from you in why or how to use a compound to cut, its basic knowledge.

Do I know how to diet in cutting? no. because I really never cared until it started effecting my performance. I'm not trying to be a bodybuilder, thats not my goal. Right now the keto I'm doing seems to be helping. I think my tren was underdose but not completely bunk, but I will never buy tren from my guy again, just planning on sticking with the test with a higher dosage. Its cheaper and it has a balance of anabolic and androgen, so I will stick with that.

You gave me no info about anything that I've already known and have seen on the internet, all you did was ridicule me. Here's a lession for ya , if you want somebody to listen to ya, don't insult them.

ok i am sure about 75 percent of people on here are not trying to be a professional bodybuilder. I am sure most people on here just want to look good better than the average joe just like you, or else why would you join this site and why would you want to do AAS? You want to look good straight and simple.

People like you make people who know how to do this whole juice, diet, workout thing right, look bad. You said you dont know how to diet in cutting because you dont are not trying to be a bodybuilder? Like come on? seriously? You dont have to be a bodybuilder or trying to be a bodybuilder to know how to diet in cutting. Just because someone is not a bodybuilder or trying to be, doesnt mean they dont know how to diet in cutting.

Most of these guys here on this site, look fucking good and they know how to diet in cutting and are all these guys that look good are they trying to a be a pro bodybuilder to pose on stage? No they dont. Do you think these guys that look good just picked up a needle, stuck himself in the ass, and followed some crap ass diet and then in the end they turned out the way they are? How on earth do you expect to look good without even knowing the basic foundamentals?

What do you want to be? One of those guys who eat whatever, eat like shit, do a few shots in the ass of juice here and there so u can walk around in ur own gym saying "ya im hardcore"

There is a reason why steroids are illegal. We all know deep inside its not good for us to do but we still do it anyways cuz we want to look good. Its gon cost all of us with our body and money either way.

You, on the other hand, can easily just pick up a needle, load it with juice and stick urself in the ass and say half way mid cycle with already in the midst of shutting urself down saying "Hey guys! How do i lose this fat around my stomach should i follow a keto diet?" even tho u just said u are trying to bulk. How on earth are you to expect to lose ur belly fat on a bulk?

You dont even seem like you have your training in check. You said you are trying to bulk so you went from a low rep heavy scheme to a high rep moderate weight scheme? Seriously you just seem like you are all over with everything.

You seem like u have bits and pieces of some knowledge of this stuff as u mention overtraining, glycogen, caber, etc i forgot what else there was

Im straight up giving it to you straight and being blunt. I am not going to sugar coat anything to make you feel better. I am telling u like the way it is.

Have ur training in check, have ur diet in check, then add the cherrys on top (AAS) then go from there. You dont even know your daily calorie maintainence level is. You dont even know how much ur daily total carb protein fat intake is. How would you know that you are bulking? it seems like ur saying this "uhh i eat this and that every day, but this time i added in an extra piece of chicken and icecream so im bulking"

Im not too sure u even understand what Tren is and what Tren does,
Its a compound used for a cutting cycle. Theres a reason why people get insomnia on Tren cuz it puts ur body working in constant overload. Its a major fat burner to make u hard n shredded
Tren doesnt give everyone major strength gains but like i said it might keep their strength while being on a calorie deficit diet.
 
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just had an omelat, two apples, carrots, coffe in the morning. chicken, carrots, peas, lettuce for lunch and will have it for dinner as well with a protein shake. hope thats a decent meal? it doesn't look like my bf% went up when i was boosting my calories for bulking or maybe my calories weren't high enough.

hey do you think smoking some canabis will increase prolactin in anyway , i google it and getting some mixed information, where it might increase estrogen etc..

do you really call this your diet for a day? what the hell kind of diet is this. this is a joke that should of been ur first 3 meals added with another 3 meals but then again u are not even sure what kind of diet u want to do like a low carb cutting diet or your basic daily calorie maintanence level for the day to know if its a cutting diet

this here clearly shows u have no clue on what u are doing. No one in their right mind except would start a tren cycle with this kind of knowledge of how to eat.
 
im giving it to you the way it is. If you are going to harm ur body, shut urself down might as well make it worth it no? times short why go around sticking urself just to see how its gon react like in ur body?

if u cant take in anything on what i said then whatever so be it. thats your body. do what you think is right.

your log and ur opinion on this whole cycle gives no one any useful information at all. no one can read this and take anything that would help them if they did want to decide to do a tren only cycle.

some post it seemed like u was saying the tren was working, then u said its bunk or underdosed. its either ur just saying its underdosed or bunk to cover up ur crappy ass cycle. If your gear was bunk why would u say u would never do this cycle again due to the weird some what sides u was feeling? how would u even feel the sides if ur gear was bunk

im not here to bash u but im just giving it like the way it is

u seem like ur a mr know it all who has tons of experience with this shit and u know what ur doing but if anyone read this log it clearly shows u do not.
 
your right, sorry that I thought u were attacking me, Tren did nothing for me, thats why I'm mad. I'm not going to venture anymore with any other chemicals, I'm sticking with test and just increasing the dosage if necessary.

The ketognic diet brought me down to 183lb from 190, That felt like water weight and glycogen being depeleted but it allows me to walk again which I no longer get shin splits anymore. Then I re enter some carbs back to my diet, which allows me to do some light cardio and walking on my rest days from workingout and that brought me down to 180lbs so far. The only true problem with my diet is I tend to stuff myself in one meal, but thats changed. I did lose some strength but not dramatically that I can't get it back.

I will post some pic after I get to the desired bodyfat%.
 
your right, sorry that I thought u were attacking me, Tren did nothing for me, thats why I'm mad. I'm not going to venture anymore with any other chemicals, I'm sticking with test and just increasing the dosage if necessary.

The ketognic diet brought me down to 183lb from 190, That felt like water weight and glycogen being depeleted but it allows me to walk again which I no longer get shin splits anymore. Then I re enter some carbs back to my diet, which allows me to do some light cardio and walking on my rest days from workingout and that brought me down to 180lbs so far. The only true problem with my diet is I tend to stuff myself in one meal, but thats changed. I did lose some strength but not dramatically that I can't get it back.

I will post some pic after I get to the desired bodyfat%.

If your tren did nothing for you then it was bunk....even with a shitty diet you'll know if you're in tren
 
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