My First Cycle

[Aussie0331]

I'm guessing you probably get a lot of these threads, but that's the point of forums I suppose.

I'm considering cycling for the first time here soon, and I've read a lot of conflicting things regarding what to use and PCT etc. To preface everything, I've been into lifting for the last four years, basically my entire enlistment in the Marine Corps and I've had numerous buddies who have cycled. I wanted to wait until I got out to do so myself.

With all that being said, I'd appreciate any feedback and advice, any other things you might offer for me to implement into what I have planned.

I'm 22 y/o, and though most advice is against anyone under the age of 25 cycling (My natural test levels are peak at my age etc etc), I'd like to give it a go regardless.

Intending on running 500mg of test and 600mg of deca over 10 weeks, splitting the shots twice a week. Many people recommend just running test for my first cycle to gauge the sides of it, but my question in regard to that is are there really any sides that would be overt just from having elevated test levels?

As far as PCT goes, the most main stream stuff I've been seeing is either Clomid+Nolva, roughly 4 weeks, beginning 2 weeks after my last injection, or what was outlined in

elitefitness.com/forum/pct-post-steroid-cycle-therapy/very-best-pct-2010-right-here-712121.html

My questions regarding the PCT outlined in that thread are pretty simple. Basically, everything outlined, is it mandatory? Or on a "as needed" basis?

Once again, I apologize if you guys get a lot of these, I just wasn't getting what I needed from reading everything. Thanks for your input/suggestions etc.

 

[gutendirk]

I would get some HCG for during, have Aromasin on hand, and then go with clomid/nolva for your PCT. I haven't risked relying on the over the counter AI's like forma stanzol and PES Erase so someone else will have to give you an opinion on that. But yeah, you're too young to be using gear.

 

[kmoe4747]

You're gonna get the same answers here.

A. You're to young
B. we have no idea what ur stats are. (Weight,ht,bf)
C. Is your diet in check
D. Deca is awful idea to use first cycle. Receptors are fresh just use one compound which would be a long ester like test e or c
E. you're to young
F. No pct is not used on a "as needed basis"
G. You're to young
H. Everything stated above could easily be found by researching
I. You're to young

 

[gutendirk]

kmoe I obviously agree with everything you said but as far as the "as needed basis" thing, I think he meant specifically in that thread on the OTC supps, is everything actually needed that is mentioned in there.

 

[buddhabuilder]

kmoe I obviously agree with everything you said but as far as the "as needed basis" thing, I think he meant specifically in that thread on the OTC supps, is everything actually needed that is mentioned in there.

For as smooth a transition as possible while keeping gains, yes it is all necessary. I recommend HCGenerate for on cycle as well to prime the system.

But back to the OP.

Your hormones are raging and you can harness this natural environment to lay the foundation for all your future muscular gains. It is a bad idea to cycle before you peak out your natural potential as it may undermine your long term health and gains.

It is natural to be impatient, especially when people around you have cycled and gotten results. But without a solid base, both physical and otherwise, their gains are temporary. Bodybuilding is a lifestyle that can lead to endless self improvement. Don't sabotage yourself by jumping the gun.

 

[Aussie0331]

I would get some HCG for during, have Aromasin on hand, and then go with clomid/nolva for your PCT. I haven't risked relying on the over the counter AI's like forma stanzol and PES Erase so someone else will have to give you an opinion on that. But yeah, you're too young to be using gear.

Thanks for the info. Yeah I understand that it's the majority opinion that someone my age is too young, but are the detriments of using it at my age really that exponential? I haven't been able to find too much besides "Your test levels are peaking at your age, so there's no need", to which I would say, what's the point of getting on gear at all then unless you have a serious deficiency? Am I naive in assuming that the more the better?

kmoe:

I appreciate your disagreement with my choice, as for stats, I'm currently at 210, 6'2" and 15-18% BF (I'm guestimating here as I haven't specifically checked, so if anyone has a better estimate based off of the attached pic, I wouldn't mind hearing it)

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As far as diet goes I'm eating above maintenance (4200cal--maintenance is roughly 3500), and gutendirk is correct, I was just curious about everything outlined in the thread. I understand having a PCT is necessary, I was just wondering about everything mentioned. Why is deca so horrible to use on a first time cycle?

Like I said in the OP, it's not a matter of finding the stuff, as I've found much of what's been stated, it's just there are so many different opinions, and I'm trying to differentiate between them before I commit to a specific path ya know?

 

[Aussie0331]

For as smooth a transition as possible while keeping gains, yes it is all necessary. I recommend HCGenerate for on cycle as well to prime the system.

But back to the OP.

Your hormones are raging and you can harness this natural environment to lay the foundation for all your future muscular gains. It is a bad idea to cycle before you peak out your natural potential as it may undermine your long term health and gains.

It is natural to be impatient, especially when people around you have cycled and gotten results. But without a solid base, both physical and otherwise, their gains are temporary. Bodybuilding is a lifestyle that can lead to endless self improvement. Don't sabotage yourself by jumping the gun.

Posted before I saw your reply. Thanks for the information, and it sheds a little bit more light on why it's frowned upon to start at my age. I can admit that impatience has some to do with it, partnered with a curiosity to see the level to which I can take my body with some enhancement.

I don't mean to beat a dead horse on an unrelated topic, but how exactly does cycling at my age prevent a solid foundation from being built? If a proper PCT is undertaken it's my understanding that my hormones can return to the level they were at before I started my cycle. Please enlighten me if I'm wrong.

 

[Jbranken]

I'm 22 y/o, and though most advice is against anyone under the age of 25 cycling (My natural test levels are peak at my age etc etc), I'd like to give it a go regardless.

Sounds like someone gave you some solid advice...

My questions regarding the PCT outlined in that thread are pretty simple. Basically, everything outlined, is it mandatory? Or on a "as needed" basis?

Nothing is mandatory. It's about how well you'd like to recover during/after pct and how much of your gains you'd like to keep. I'd spend the money on a great pct like the one Nelson and many others here have outlined. Clomid and nolva alone is not a good pct. No point in cycling if you can't keep the gains