My first cycle *all oral*

[vokab]

First of all i've read the negative posts on oral cycles but my source is all oral so this is the only way I can go.

Goal...
Build mass but stay lean. Hopefully get ripped for summer.

Background...
I've been working out for a little over two years and have seen some pretty good gains but now i want that edge. I'm 5'9'' 175 pounds and 21 years old.

I was thinking something like this...
Week 1 - Dbol 15mg
Week 2 - Dbol 20mg
Week 3 - Dbol 20mg
Week 4 - Dbol 15mg
Week 5 - Winny 15mg
Week 6 - Winny 20mg
Week 7 - Winny 20mg
Week 8 - Winny 15mg
Week 9 - Clomid 50mg
Week 10 - Clomid 50mg

I was also wondering if i should add Clenbuterol in there and if so where and at what dose for how long.

I will admit i'm kinda new to this so if my "cycle" is completly wrong that is fine. That's why i'm posting it here first.

Thanks...

 

[IncestWhore]

First of all, you need injectable test in there. Unless you're a single guy and dont mind being impotent for almost 10 weeks. The doses are very low. IMO the minimum for DBol, in a good cycle (inj. test in the cycle) is 30mg per day. And Winny 50mg per day. Add some kind of testosterone in there.

 

[swordfish151]

First of all i've read the negative posts on oral cycles but my source is all oral so this is the only way I can go.

Goal...
Build mass but stay lean. Hopefully get ripped for summer.

Background...
I've been working out for a little over two years and have seen some pretty good gains but now i want that edge. I'm 5'9'' 175 pounds and 21 years old.

I was thinking something like this...
Week 1 - Dbol 15mg
Week 2 - Dbol 20mg
Week 3 - Dbol 20mg
Week 4 - Dbol 15mg
Week 5 - Winny 15mg
Week 6 - Winny 20mg
Week 7 - Winny 20mg
Week 8 - Winny 15mg
Week 9 - Clomid 50mg
Week 10 - Clomid 50mg

I was also wondering if i should add Clenbuterol in there and if so where and at what dose for how long.

I will admit i'm kinda new to this so if my "cycle" is completly wrong that is fine. That's why i'm posting it here first.

Thanks...

first cycle is really wrong..need some test in there chief. INJECT!

 

[vokab]

I can ask my source about it but he told me he can only get orals. Are there oral tests and if so would 3 different orals be a really bad thing?

 

[nutsnack]

I can ask my source about it but he told me he can only get orals. Are there oral tests and if so would 3 different orals be a really bad thing?

What kind of source only does oral? I'd find a new source and do a test only cycle and if your scared of needles dont do roids or get over ure fear cuz that cycle seems like a waste of time and money IMHO. injectable only for test!

 

[Guvna]

As per the info you provided, I think thats a pretty damn good setup. I would, however, use more winstrol, and not taper the dosages.

 

[a-bomb5083]

they do make an oral test, its called andriol, but you don't want that shit. gets very expensive. i'd definity try and get another source bro.

 

[Steve The Bluesman]

Funny how the same repsonses gets posted even though there is evidence that Dbol alone can be effective.

Test is *absolutely* the way to go, but Dbol is an option if that's the way you choose to go, for whataver reason. If your reason is bullshit, then it is best to inject. I went with oral first to determine how my body would react to AS in general - I am a safety first guy. Now that I have determined that low dosages plus hard work works for me, I plan on low dose Test (250mg/wk) and Dbol for my next cycle mid-summer.

I would go Dbol 15mg for ther 1st week, then up to 20mg for 2nd and 3rd week, then 25mg for 4th week.

Winny oral should be at least 30mg/day, and I am a low dose guy - many go to 50mg/day. 15 and 20 is too low. Your clmid for 3 weeks shuld be ok, but you may want some nolva on hand just in case during the cycle.

Others may advocate blending both together for a week or two to create a synegistic effect. Do some research and make the call. Take milk thistle for your liver, don't drink, eat clean, sleep and work hard. You can get gains from Dbol/winny, but if you half-ass your diet and training, you will be just wasting your time, and just be another newbie who did orals and got zero out of it.

Good luck,


Bluesman

 

[Miamiblue]

Yeah bro, get some test. There is a test tab, but the sides etc. are NOT worth it, and besides I wouldn't recommend taking all those orals. My first cycle was all orals and it blew! I pissed the gains away like the day I stopped. It was so shitty! And using pins is extremely easy dude, I didn't want to inject @ first, but I wish I would have because it was a waste of money, time, etc. So do yourself a huge favor and invest in some test!

 

[slat1]

HCG anyone??!?!? I would use it!

 

[nutsnack]

HCG anyone??!?!? I would use it!

no doubt.. seeing that my liver plays no role in my life whatsoever i usually stack 5 or 6 orals during my cycle!

 

[willber]

As stated, most people will advocate using some sort of injectable test along with Dianabol - what you have to ask yourself is, should i take the advice of these guys? Bear in mind, a lot, not all, but a lot of the guys on here are very 'knowledgeable' when it comes to juicing. As for the oral only cycle, well, you will put on weight during it i'm sure - but those gains will decline when you stop juicing, and for the toll it take on your liver, ask yourself if you even wanna go there.

There are certainly arguments for and against, and i know you said that you struggle to get anything other than orals. But my advice would be this, and feel free to disregard it, but save the orals you've got. (they will keep). Locate a good source for some test and do a really good cycle. At the end of the day, steriods are abusive substances, and they do have negative side effects - nw if it were me, and i've been there, i would want to get the most out of my cycle considering the cost financially, emotionally and of course physically.

Make the decision that is right for you...but you would be a wise man if you took on board the advice you are given and made a more objective decision. When people consdier steriods for the first time they have one thing in mind ' I wanna get as big as possible in a short a time as possible' If this is you, do it right, take into account everything you can, decide where you are now, where you wanna be after your cycle and then take it from there. If you dont really have a clue about what you want out of the juice other than ' i wanna get massive ' then you need to set a target and then base a cycle on achieving that goal.

Will

 

[soflaguy]

There is nothing wrong with an all-oral cycle, but I think your doses are too little to notice any gains. My first cycle was Var-only at 40/mg for 6 weeks and I got nice solid lean gains with minimal sides. I do not regret it, except I wish I could have had enough for 8-10 weeks.

It is certainly true you can never have your first cycle again, so you should make the best of it the first time around. Understandingably, at only 21 yo funds are tight but something like Test and Dbol are cheap.

Having researched some more, my second cycle was Test and Var. It was 250mg human-grade Test Enthanate every 5 days and 30-40/mg Var ED for 8 weeks. I used HCG in the middle and during PCT. If you can afford it, that would be a real nice first cycle for your stats and goals.
Good luck.

 

[wootoom]

Funny how the same repsonses gets posted even though there is evidence that Dbol alone can be effective.

Test is *absolutely* the way to go, but Dbol is an option if that's the way you choose to go, for whataver reason. If your reason is bullshit, then it is best to inject. I went with oral first to determine how my body would react to AS in general - I am a safety first guy. Now that I have determined that low dosages plus hard work works for me, I plan on low dose Test (250mg/wk) and Dbol for my next cycle mid-summer.

I would go Dbol 15mg for ther 1st week, then up to 20mg for 2nd and 3rd week, then 25mg for 4th week.

Winny oral should be at least 30mg/day, and I am a low dose guy - many go to 50mg/day. 15 and 20 is too low. Your clmid for 3 weeks shuld be ok, but you may want some nolva on hand just in case during the cycle.

Others may advocate blending both together for a week or two to create a synegistic effect. Do some research and make the call. Take milk thistle for your liver, don't drink, eat clean, sleep and work hard. You can get gains from Dbol/winny, but if you half-ass your diet and training, you will be just wasting your time, and just be another newbie who did orals and got zero out of it.

Good luck,


Bluesman

ya ,man i totally agree. people have different goals and i did var only alone and it was insane. im thinking of dbol only and my goals are not to get too much bigger but a little past my plateau.

 

[JoBu]

While it is possible to gain lean mass and drop some BF at the same time you should really pick on goal to focus on...you want to build mass AND get ripped. If you MUST go oral only then I'd suggest T-bol or var...the var will be way more expensive.

Another option...and this used to be a hot topic for debate...is to pick up a cart of finaplix pellets and use it orally. Contrary to what some think it DOES work if used properly. I had good results a couple years ago with fina pellets used orally: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=204506&highlight=JoBu's

I bet you'd have nice results if you tried this along with 50mg oral winny ED.

 

[vokab]

Thanks for all the input. It has really been helpful. One thing though, is what about the clenbuterol. When and at what dose for how long should I take this to burn some BF. Or should I just leave it out all thogether?

 

[Ulter]

Oral steroids are used to enhance a cycle not build one out of.
Whatever you gain with that cycle will be gone 6 months after you finish.
Clen is a good idea. It only works for two weeks and then you have to come off for two week. I suggest you get a fat burner like Thermorexin for your off weeks. It starts burning fat the same day you take it. How much depends on your dose, diet, and training program.

 

[slat1]

Clen really doesn't do much unless your diet is spot on!
* I would hold off on the orals. If you can just go with test ent at 250mgs a week for ten weeks. You will see exellent results with far less sides!