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My cutting diet...

wesley90

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Wesley90 cutting diet.

Current stats:
230lbs
6’
25% BF (Not sure exactly, just guessing)

Goals after 3 months:
200lbs
6’
10% BF

Meal 1: 7:00 AM
2 scoops of whey
1 cup of oatmeal
2 eggs


Meal 2: 10:30 AM
1 can of tuna
2 pieces of whole wheat bread
1 banana

Meal 3: 2:20 PM
8 oz chicken breast
1 cup of broccoli
1 cup of brown rice

Meal 4: 5:30 PM
8 oz chicken breast
1 sweet potato
2 tablespoons of ANPB

Meal 5: 7:30 PM
1 cup ground beef
1 cup brown rice

Meal 6: 10:00 PM
2 cups of 2% milk



Totals:
3039 calories
44% protein
30% carbs
26% fat

Any suggestions?
 
How long have you been following this plan? And have you been maintaining, gaining, or losing on it? Food choices look decent and ratios seem good. Also, what kind of training do you do?
 
I just made it up today :) So I have no idea how it will effect me. I am thinking of trying HST as I have been doing mostly max-ot for the past several months.
 
In that case, I would scale calories down slightly - aim for 11 to 12 times bodyweight...which wouldn't be that much less than what you have with this plan.

Then follow it for at least two or three weeks and gauge your progress. It looks like a solid enough plan to me.

You might try a training a split that has you lifting weights one day, and doing cardio the next.
 
Three things:
- From glancing at the food choices, I think you may have overestimated the amount of carbs in your diet.
- You won't be able to drop 15% BF in three months
- Eat more VEGGIES! It's a shame that so many people do not appreciate the benefits of these wonder-foods.
 
hmph...not even with the help of sustanon 250 EW first cycle? I think I can.

Also...How do you mean you think I overestimated the carbs? The food choices and amount were added up based on nutritional facts from fitday...
Thanks.
 
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I'd like to hear, too, opinions on whether 15% bf could be dropped in 3 months, yea or nay?

The way I figure it, If wesley weighs 230, then each percent of his body is 2.3 lbs. So 15% is (2.3 X 15)= 34.5 lbs

3 months = 12 weeks
so
34.5 divided by 12 is:

2.875 lbs per week he has to lose

Myself, I lose anywhere from 1.5 to 2 lbs per week when I cut, and I wouldn't want to lose more than that. I'm sure its possible, but how much lean mass would be lost also? Any thoughts out there? Are my calculations in the ballpark?
 
wesley90 said:
Well...I am running sustanon250 1 ml every week...shouldnt that help out!?

I think your going to need more than 250 mg pw to prevent muscle loss. Remember aswell that its going to take possibly 4 - 5 weeks for the sust to start doing its job. I would ditch the sust and go with Prop at say 100mg eod.
 
it could be possible, but hard to drop 15% in 3 months, depends alot on genetics and will... also training needs to be right
 
I dont think dropping 34.5 lbs in 3 months is possible, Thats a calorie deficit of 10062 cals pw. Diet and training would have to be spot on to loose as much as this pw, I think if you were lossing this much pw you would be on the verge of starvation mode. I would try for something more realistic like 1 - 1.5 lbs per week at a deficit of 500 cals pd or maybe 700 pd. Dieting right takes time, Why is it that anyone wanting to loose a large amount of body fat wants to do it in weeks.
 
evander1972 said:
I dont think dropping 34.5 lbs in 3 months is possible, Thats a calorie deficit of 10062 cals pw. Diet and training would have to be spot on to loose as much as this pw, I think if you were lossing this much pw you would be on the verge of starvation mode. I would try for something more realistic like 1 - 1.5 lbs per week at a deficit of 500 cals pd or maybe 700 pd. Dieting right takes time, Why is it that anyone wanting to loose a large amount of body fat wants to do it in weeks.

Actually, it is not impossible, but it takes a HELL OF A LOT of hard work and intensive training. Besides, you are right on the money when you say "you would be on the verge of starvation mode"... it is indeed a balance act.

I lost 50 pounds in 5 months, so as a ballpark figure, it can be done, but then again, extreme situations call for extreme measures. Other than that, you are also right when you say that diet and training need to be well tuned for this to work, and there are other factors:

How much excess fat you have now (the more, the easier)
Genetics
Will Power
Cardio condition (can you keep up with the intensity/frequency of the cardio required???)
Current Metabolic state (are you already on a low metabolic state due to crash diets???)

Oh, one last thing: those 50 pounds are 48 pounds fat and 2 pounds muscle. And I don't know nothing about Gear, this is all natural. (my sups are Whey, Vitamins and Flax. Not even Creatine or Glutamine)

Peace
Pintoca
 
Thats amazing Bro, 50 lbs in 5 months so it is possible. Loosing this much fat per week though, If you didnt know your body inside out it would be to easy for things to go wrong and actually set you back and this is your first time cutting isnt it Wesley. I would try something a little less extreme until you know how you react to your new diet and training shedule then after a few weeks you can make some changes which will enable to shed some more fat. As Pintoca said its a balancing act and if you get it wrong youll actually do more harm than good.
 
I dont understand? 3000 cals is a little more than 12x my body weight...Isnt that what people start at when cutting!?
Thanks.
 
wesley90 said:
I dont understand? 3000 cals is a little more than 12x my body weight...Isnt that what people start at when cutting!?
Thanks.

I would try some zig-zag instead of 3000 cals all the way.

I did the 50 pounds on 2100 cals 5 times per week (that is 100 cals over my calculated BMR, so no room for meesing up) and 2500 cals 2 times per week (that is 15% below my Maintenance level). Again, this is an accelerated program that could have backfired (like lowering my bmr becuase of Starvation); luckily it paid off (and continues to work with minor tweaking).

Tell you what,

post the following and we will set you up:

1. Current weight
2. Current Body Fat % (This is VERY important for calculating the BMR, so please make sure you get it done properly, as a last resort, hop on one of the BF scales, better yet, get some skinfolds done)
3. Intensity of training and how many times per week
4. Age
5. Estimated amount of fat you want to loose and timeframe (let's be realistic).

I can go as far as proposing your daily caloric intake and ratios to go with it; even some training programs. You will need to get the diet together on that basis. There's is no going around the number crunching (at least once), so I would recommend you go and get:

a Polar Heart Rate (if you don't have one yet)
Excel
get to know the site www.calorieking.com
a Digital scale for your food (or get one from a friend, you only need it once)

(yup, I did all that)

You can start by making a list of the things you eat normally (no need to start eating strange things just because you are cutting). So make your list, and look up the values in calorieking (using a base quantity, say, 100grs or something like that that you can multiply easily), then you can use your foods as Building Blocks of your diet.

Awaiting yours.

Pintoca
 
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Current weight: 240
BF: 23%
Intensity: 4 times a week/cardio 2 times 20 mins
Age: 18
Goal: BF 10% in 3 months

I did all the food calculations as posted above in the first post of this thread.
I already have a scale.

Thanks.
 
wesley90 said:
Current weight: 240
BF: 23%
Intensity: 4 times a week/cardio 2 times 20 mins
Age: 18
Goal: BF 10% in 3 months

I did all the food calculations as posted above in the first post of this thread.
I already have a scale.

Thanks.

OK, I will write this post so that it can be used by other people, since this kind of question gets asked a lot.

First off, there are three things I will address:

Diet, Weight Trainining and Cardio.

1. Diet:

Current weight: 240 equals: 109 kilos
BF: 23%
LBM (everything whis is not fat): 240 - 240*23% = 184,8lbs = 84 kilos ( I needed in kilos for the BMR calculation)

The preferred formula for calculating your BMR is based on LBM ONLY, not on total weight, since fat is not metabolically active. The formula is:

BMR = 370 + 21.6 x LBM in Kilos

370 + 21.6*84 = 2184 cals. (this is what you need just to be alive).

now we need your daily expenditure. Based on the amount of excercise you do (4 days WT+2 days cardio) that falls in the 3 ~ 5 days, so the multiplier is 1.55

TDDE: BMR * 1.55 = 3385 cals. This is the amount of cals you need to MAINTAIN with your current activity level.

Now, a not so radical program would call for a 20% decrease of TDDE for cutting, paired with 2 days refeed at some 10% below TDDE.

I did my cutting with -30% and -15%, so I will propose those. Remember, you need to try and adjust according to results.

On that basis we have:

Low Carb days: 2370 cals (-30% below TDDE). The ratios that work wonders for me (because I am a bit carb-sensitive are: 45% prot, 25% carb, 30% fat).

High Carb days: 2878 cals (-15% below TDDE). The ratios for this are: 35% Prot, 50% carb, 15% fat

since

1gr prot = 4 cals
1 gr carb = 4 cals
1 gr fat = 9 cals
1 gr alcohol = 7 cals (you don't need this, but just so you know)

we then have:

Low carb day: 2370 cals with a split of 45%P 25%C 30%F

267 gr Prot
148 gr Carb
79 gr Fat


Now, for your High carb days we are going to drop the fat (since you don't want all that fat to mix with the carbs, right???)

High carb day: 2878 cals with a split of 35%P 50%C 15%F we have:

252 gr Prot
360 gr Carb
48 gr Fat

Now, how you get these numbers in, that is your business, depending on the things you normally eat. What I eat is:

Carbs:
Oats, Whole grain bread, Dextrose, Maltodextrin, Brocolli

Protein:
Chicken Breast, Tuna, Steak, Salmon, Whey

Fat:
Olive Oil, Flax Oil


The Post Workout shake rewuires special mention. When cutting, the formula is 2.5 gr carbs per evcery 10 pounds of body weight. THe protein should be the same quantity as the carbs. Moreover, split the carbs 50-50 in dextrose and maltodextrin

Your PWO should look like for your weight like: 60 grs Whey, 30 grs dextrose and 30 grs maltodextrin, all in 1 ltr water.

If this is too much sugar, you can try cutting the carbs in half or until you find what gives you the best results.

Final thing with the diet: Make sure you implement Carb Tapering and Calorie Tapering during the day.

Your schedule could look like this:

Mon: Low Carb
Tuesday: Low Carb
Wednesday: Low Carb
Thursday: High Carbs (never go over 3 days in a row low carb)
Friday: Low Carb
Saturday Low Carb
Sunday: High Carb

A clever thing to do is train your large muscle groups (like legs and back) on the day (or the day after) your high carb days. (I used to do Legs on fridays and back on Mondays)

2. WEIGHT TRAINING

Not much to mention here, if you are training 4 days, I hope you are doing a 4 days split. Make sure every muscle group gets at least some 12 ~ 18 reps (normally 3 sets) and stick to compound movements. Also, keep your rest time short.

3. CARDIO

Major work here. The reason why we burn fat is because we BURN it with cardio. I do cardio 6 days/week, after weight training, so I cannot compare the eficiency with early morning fasted cardio, but it would be damn hard that fasted cardio would give me better results, since I am doing my cardio already on a glycogen depleted state.

What I do is 6 times per week, 45 minutes @ 75~ 85 % of my MHR (which in your case is 202 bpm). Meaning you should aim at keeping your heart ticking at aprox. 152 ~ 160 bpm. If it sounds easy, try doing that for 45 minutes straight. (if you feel ill, take it easy, cardio at this intensity needs some getting used to, the heart is another muscle that needs to be trained)

A lot of people will say: "that is way over the fat burning range"... I am firm believer (and walking proof) that what it really matters is Cals in vs. Cals out. If you do 45 min at 65% you will burn a higher % of cals from fat than when you do it at 80%, but the TOTAL number of cals burned will be higher when you do your cardio at 80%.

so, get your butt in that threadmill and leave the books/mags home.

OK, think it is enough to get you started in the right direction.

10% in 3 months is relative. for you In my experience, I was dropping .2 kilo of LBM for every 800 grs fat. Meaning, that if you were to be around that, you would weight some 205 lbs with 13% BF. That is 35 lbs less. I would aim for 5 months so as not to be so maniac about this (we all need have a life to live!!!)

Oh yeah, almost forgot: Save the gear... you are way too young for that, you are risking, being 18, messing with your own endocrine system. Your own hormones are still raging. Problem is we are living in a world that teaches us that instant gratification and reward is the norm. Some things take a little time, but the feeling when you get them and you look back and say " I did this on my own, with no additional help" is worth it.

OK, enough said.

Let the green roll :chomp:

Pintoca
 
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You must spread some around before giving to Pintoca again. Ah well. Excellent post. Everything you need to know right there so get going. And forget the drugs your to YOUNG.
 
evander1972 said:
You must spread some around before giving to Pintoca again. Ah well. Excellent post. Everything you need to know right there so get going. And forget the drugs your to YOUNG.

Don't worry. Intentions count also. :-)
 
wesley90 said:
So evander1972, do you now agree that 3000 cals ISNT too much?

Actually, 3000 per day, everyday, would be too much for my taste. You would be pretty much around TDDE; which will cause you to drop BF VERY VERY VERY slowly.... which is not what you want. That is only 400 cal deficit per day...

as a carb up day, it is ok, as it bumps metabolism... but for everyday...big nono

Pintoca
 
Well 1 week has been completed...must say its been quite a ride...a lot of cravings...cheated maybe 3 times and substituted a bunch. Would sometimes use this whole grain bread instead of oats and have mostly chicken.

Also, I have been drinking a lot of diet coke...do you think it may hinder my progress?
Thanks.
 
Preferably water than coke... but I drink also coke (the light one without caffeine), maybe 3 ltrs in a week... and honestly, I think I don't care if it would hinder... (I don't think so either). Mostt likely, the chemicals in it are not good for you, but there are no carbs, no proteins, no nothing... just a little bit of different taste to wash down the particularly bland chicken breast.

As for the substitutions, if you are not substituting for empty cals, you should be OK, as long as your Macros are good.

Try to cheat less on the diet, as soon as you start seeing the results, you won't want to cheat. (Did you see my upgrade on the 5 months cutting?)

I am since Friday down with the Flu, and totally mortified for not being able to do my weekend cardio... also I am eating very little...shit... the Flu sucks big time.

good luck this week.
 
Well I did 35 minutes of cardio of the treadmill for a total of a bit over 3 miles today. According to the calories burned calculater on the machine, I burned 600 calories.
 
just one question.... In the total amt of carbs to be consumed for the day, do you include the dex/mal that is part of your PWO shake?
 
You have to count them!!! Remember: Calories in vs. Calories out... Those are a hell of bunch of carbs not being counted.
 
Yep, if you want to do it properly, be sure to count the calories in EVERYTHING you eat and drink. Don't forget about condiments and sauces either (most of them contain sugar).
 
OK bros...I def think I am seeing results...but I feel like SHIT...

I have decided to get around 2500 calories a day, and 5 days a week I am doing 1000 cals cardio...

But I def feel tighter.
 
wesley90 said:
OK bros...I def think I am seeing results...but I feel like SHIT...

I have decided to get around 2500 calories a day, and 5 days a week I am doing 1000 cals cardio...

But I def feel tighter.

If you are feeling like shit you may need to increase your carbs... try upping them 5% and bring the fat 5% lower (if you can do it). Maybe you are not as carb sensitive as I am...

Pintoca
 
I dunno, like my face feels hot, I am anxious...I have a fear to socialize...and carbs isnt a problem, I probably get around 200 grams just from gatorade.
 
wesley90 said:
I dunno, like my face feels hot, I am anxious...I have a fear to socialize...and carbs isnt a problem, I probably get around 200 grams just from gatorade.

Dude, that sounds like an anxiety attack... relax... maybe you are trying too hard and think everybody is checking on your progress... most people won't give a fck... so don't worry, you do this only because you want to do it, not to prove it to anybody...

To me it sounds not like a physical thing, more like a mental thing...
 
That is what I talked to my psychiatrist about...some sustanon triggered an anxiety attack within me that sent me to the hospital with a BP of 190/100...keep in mind I am 18, 240 pounds, and can run 6 miles in 60 minutes no problem...
 
wesley90 said:
That is what I talked to my psychiatrist about...some sustanon triggered an anxiety attack within me that sent me to the hospital with a BP of 190/100...keep in mind I am 18, 240 pounds, and can run 6 miles in 60 minutes no problem...

All I can say to that is that you shouldn't be running any gear with 18... too many natural hormones in your body as it is, without the need to add anything additional to the cocktail...
 
pintoca said:
All I can say to that is that you shouldn't be running any gear with 18... too many natural hormones in your body as it is, without the need to add anything additional to the cocktail...

Heh, I have been researching steroids for well over a year and a half, and have taken MOST of the neccessary precautions before cycling...including an MRI which confirmed my bone plates have been fused.

Anyways, that isnt what we should be talking about now is it :) What I am trying to decide is whats in my other thread...check it out.
 
O am doing something similar to this plan. It provide a great deal of information.

I will post at 1 month with all the details.

Pintoca thanks for the information...

How did the contest late last year end up?


Dave

pintoca said:
OK, I will write this post so that it can be used by other people, since this kind of question gets asked a lot.

First off, there are three things I will address:

Diet, Weight Trainining and Cardio.

1. Diet:

Current weight: 240 equals: 109 kilos
BF: 23%
LBM (everything whis is not fat): 240 - 240*23% = 184,8lbs = 84 kilos ( I needed in kilos for the BMR calculation)

The preferred formula for calculating your BMR is based on LBM ONLY, not on total weight, since fat is not metabolically active. The formula is:

BMR = 370 + 21.6 x LBM in Kilos

370 + 21.6*84 = 2184 cals. (this is what you need just to be alive).

now we need your daily expenditure. Based on the amount of excercise you do (4 days WT+2 days cardio) that falls in the 3 ~ 5 days, so the multiplier is 1.55

TDDE: BMR * 1.55 = 3385 cals. This is the amount of cals you need to MAINTAIN with your current activity level.

Now, a not so radical program would call for a 20% decrease of TDDE for cutting, paired with 2 days refeed at some 10% below TDDE.

I did my cutting with -30% and -15%, so I will propose those. Remember, you need to try and adjust according to results.

On that basis we have:

Low Carb days: 2370 cals (-30% below TDDE). The ratios that work wonders for me (because I am a bit carb-sensitive are: 45% prot, 25% carb, 30% fat).

High Carb days: 2878 cals (-15% below TDDE). The ratios for this are: 35% Prot, 50% carb, 15% fat

since

1gr prot = 4 cals
1 gr carb = 4 cals
1 gr fat = 9 cals
1 gr alcohol = 7 cals (you don't need this, but just so you know)

we then have:

Low carb day: 2370 cals with a split of 45%P 25%C 30%F

267 gr Prot
148 gr Carb
79 gr Fat


Now, for your High carb days we are going to drop the fat (since you don't want all that fat to mix with the carbs, right???)

High carb day: 2878 cals with a split of 35%P 50%C 15%F we have:

252 gr Prot
360 gr Carb
48 gr Fat

Now, how you get these numbers in, that is your business, depending on the things you normally eat. What I eat is:

Carbs:
Oats, Whole grain bread, Dextrose, Maltodextrin, Brocolli

Protein:
Chicken Breast, Tuna, Steak, Salmon, Whey

Fat:
Olive Oil, Flax Oil


The Post Workout shake rewuires special mention. When cutting, the formula is 2.5 gr carbs per evcery 10 pounds of body weight. THe protein should be the same quantity as the carbs. Moreover, split the carbs 50-50 in dextrose and maltodextrin

Your PWO should look like for your weight like: 60 grs Whey, 30 grs dextrose and 30 grs maltodextrin, all in 1 ltr water.

If this is too much sugar, you can try cutting the carbs in half or until you find what gives you the best results.

Final thing with the diet: Make sure you implement Carb Tapering and Calorie Tapering during the day.

Your schedule could look like this:

Mon: Low Carb
Tuesday: Low Carb
Wednesday: Low Carb
Thursday: High Carbs (never go over 3 days in a row low carb)
Friday: Low Carb
Saturday Low Carb
Sunday: High Carb

A clever thing to do is train your large muscle groups (like legs and back) on the day (or the day after) your high carb days. (I used to do Legs on fridays and back on Mondays)

2. WEIGHT TRAINING

Not much to mention here, if you are training 4 days, I hope you are doing a 4 days split. Make sure every muscle group gets at least some 12 ~ 18 reps (normally 3 sets) and stick to compound movements. Also, keep your rest time short.

3. CARDIO

Major work here. The reason why we burn fat is because we BURN it with cardio. I do cardio 6 days/week, after weight training, so I cannot compare the eficiency with early morning fasted cardio, but it would be damn hard that fasted cardio would give me better results, since I am doing my cardio already on a glycogen depleted state.

What I do is 6 times per week, 45 minutes @ 75~ 85 % of my MHR (which in your case is 202 bpm). Meaning you should aim at keeping your heart ticking at aprox. 152 ~ 160 bpm. If it sounds easy, try doing that for 45 minutes straight. (if you feel ill, take it easy, cardio at this intensity needs some getting used to, the heart is another muscle that needs to be trained)

A lot of people will say: "that is way over the fat burning range"... I am firm believer (and walking proof) that what it really matters is Cals in vs. Cals out. If you do 45 min at 65% you will burn a higher % of cals from fat than when you do it at 80%, but the TOTAL number of cals burned will be higher when you do your cardio at 80%.

so, get your butt in that threadmill and leave the books/mags home.

OK, think it is enough to get you started in the right direction.

10% in 3 months is relative. for you In my experience, I was dropping .2 kilo of LBM for every 800 grs fat. Meaning, that if you were to be around that, you would weight some 205 lbs with 13% BF. That is 35 lbs less. I would aim for 5 months so as not to be so maniac about this (we all need have a life to live!!!)

Oh yeah, almost forgot: Save the gear... you are way too young for that, you are risking, being 18, messing with your own endocrine system. Your own hormones are still raging. Problem is we are living in a world that teaches us that instant gratification and reward is the norm. Some things take a little time, but the feeling when you get them and you look back and say " I did this on my own, with no additional help" is worth it.

OK, enough said.

Let the green roll :chomp:

Pintoca
 
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