My 23 week plan

[d_rson]

Stats:
I'm 36, 6’, 198lbs, 10% bf (caliper). Very lean most places - most of my 10% is in my abdomen, mostly due to being insulin dependent diabetic and taking 8-10 shots per day in the abdomen.

I’m am an insulin dependent diabetic. I've been training off and on since I was young. I’ve been training consistent for the last 3 years, heavily this last year. I've done two real cycles - a dbol cycle about 10 years ago, and late last year, a 6 week tbol cycle (very successful).


Goals:
I’m not trying to gain tons of weight, looking for steady, keepable gains. I'd like to hit 210 and 8% BF for summer, and I think I can do that and maybe more with this. I like looking good and lean the entire time, I don't like being bloated, and I bloat easily (stomach) when on high calories, even on relatively clean carbs.

Diet:
Diet is extremely clean (due to being a very good diabetic - I've kept an A1C of 6.4 while taking in way more calories than my Doctor wants me to), but I really can't ramp the calories up as high as I would like (or I'd be sticking myself 20 times a day). I eat lots of whole grains throughout the day, as well as nuts (pecans, walnuts) and cheese. Breakfast is typically high calorie – eggs, whole-grain toast, protein cereal, peanut butter, etc. Lunch is lower carb and lower fat, but high protein (usually chicken or beef with greens or small amount of other vegetable). Dinner (because it falls after my workout) is typically my PWO shake with whole-grain Kashi Bars, as well as another Whey/Casein shake later in the night. Keep in mind that I don't need to eat simple, high-glycemic carbs because I give myself my own insulin, so I try to avoid those.

I have Whey Protein throughout the day – morning, mid morning, lunch, mid afternoon, PWO shake, and have whey/casein before bed. I definitely get plenty of protein, and I spread it out throughout the day.

Workout:
I currently workout 5 days a week, M-F. I do small, ancillary body parts at lunch (30 minutes) – like Abs, Shoulders, Calves (though I am getting over a high-ankle sprain), and do the rest after work (1-1.5 hours) - I typically do one body part a week (other than abs which I do 2-3 times), but at times I will roll two bicep sessions in to my routine to bring up a lagging left arm. Sets are in the 12-15 range per body part, and reps will be in the 8-10 range. I use Drop Sets, Forced Reps, Partials, etc. to ramp up intensity. I change my routines every 3-4 weeks, but always have a good compound movement as a foundation exercise.

The Plan:
Started Jan 4, 2010

Week 1-4: 19 Tren TFO, 3 caps ED (6:30am, 2:30pm, 10:30pm)
Week 2-4: Dermacrine, 10ml ED (5ml morning and evening)
Week 5-8: SARMS, 50mg ED
Week 5-8: Sustain Alpha, 10ml ED (5ml morning and evening)
Week 9-18: Test E, 375mg (.5cc Sun PM, Tues PM, Thurs PM)
Week 13-20: Anavar, 30mg
Week 20-23: SARMS, 50mg ED
Week 20-23: Sustain Alpha, 10ml ED (5ml morning and evening)
Week 20-21: Nolva, 20mg ED
Week 22-23: Nolva, 10mg ED

Ancillaries are liver and cardio support, ALA, Niacin, Flax and Fish oils, etc.

Health:
Blood Tests

On 11/10/2009 (during my tbol cycle)
T Bil - .6 (.3-1.0 mG/dL)
Bun – 28 (7-25 mG/dL)
Creat – 1.24 (.6 – 1.5 mG/dL)
AST – 55 (0-21 U/L)
ALT – 88 (0-56 U/L)
CPK – 998 (30-223 U/L)
Total CHOL – 175
HDL – 31
LDL – 120

On 12/28/2009 (3 weeks PCT)
T Bil - .5 (.3-1.0 mG/dL)
Bun – 32 (7-25 mG/dL)
Creat – 1.26 (.6 – 1.5 mG/dL)
AST – 21 (0-21 U/L)
ALT – 53 (0-56 U/L)
CPK – 1040 (30-223 U/L)
Total CHOL – 158
HDL – 41
LDL – 104

I also suffer from Diabetic Neuropathy that flares up at times. I have to be careful of injury to my ankles and my wrists since I have some lack of sensation in those nerves.

 

[d_rson]

I'm through week one and so far here's the results:

Almost immediately I was having an issue with performance in the gym. On Monday last week, after first dose of 19 Tren, I felt a little tired after coming back to work from my lunch workout. Just seemed a little drained. Then that evening I felt very lethargic from the start of my evening main workout. I really could't put a finder on it. Then the next day, I felt the same after my lunch workout. Just felt like I had run 5 miles. Then even worse during my evening main workout again. I posted here about it to get some feedback. I got some good advise and a couple posts and PMs indicating that some people had the same problem at the start to. But then I started really paying attention to how I was feeling all day long. I realized it seemed that my CNS was being super stimulated. My Neuropathy was talking to me more, which typically indicated my CNS is being stimulated. Well on Friday, I cut my preworkout drink back to half what I normally do. About 20 minutes into my workout, I noticed I was getting some energy back. I'm starting to wonder if my preworkout drink was OVER stimulating me and flooding my CNS and actually making me tired - and as it wore off on Friday, I was able to kick it into high gear. I'm going to try this week to cut my pre-workout drink out completely, and see how it goes.

I also added in the Dermacrine on Friday evening. The immediate results have been amazing. Not like what you would first think - it's effecting my insulin requirement, to the positive. I have had several hypoglycemic incidents because it seems to be causing insulin sensitivity! I've had to adjust my carb to insulin ratio to the positive (use less insulin) and I'm still going hypo. This looks to be an excellent result. I'll keep everyone posted.

 

[d_rson]

What would be a good Kickstart for the Test in week 9-12?

Also, should I add in 50mg of Proviron a day during the test? I have aromasin if really needed, but wondering if the proviron wouldn't add to the cycle.

 

[truckdaddy]

you can run the sarms for 4 week stretches, no problem.

 

[d_rson]

you can run the sarms for 4 week stretches, no problem.

I'll be running the SARMS for weeks 5-8, looking for a kickstart for weeks 9-12 before the Test kicks in.

 

[angelo212]

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[d_rson]

Start of the second week. 5ml Dermacrine twice daily, and 19 Tren Tfo three times daily.

I like the Dermacrine. Since adding it in, I've felt a synergistic effect, an extra oomph. Lunch workout was good, after work workout was good. I do notice that "lower cardio output" - if I get intense and try to belt out a bunch of reps, I seem to feel winded afterward for a bit. No pre-workout drink today and I cruised through my workouts. I'm thinking 6-8 reps with longer rest periods between might be a better range with 19 Tren, at least for me. The dermacrine does seem to be making me hold some water. Diet was clean today and normal, but my waistline is a bit bloated. I'll watch that.

The Dermacrine or Derma/19Tren combo has definitely had a positive effect on my insulin sensitivity. Using less insulin/carb right now. I even cut my basal back a little.

The only thing I am having a problem with is the increased CNS stimulation. This 19 Tren is really stimulating my CNS, and it's making my neuorpathy scream - it's not a health issue, it's just really annoying and bothersome. It has made we want to schedule an appointment with a neurologist which I've been needing to do, and I have one here soon. This would NOT be a problem with most people, but because of my diabetes and my nerve damage, it makes my feet, legs and forearms hurt and feel prickly and is just plain annoying.

I'm think about using Dermacrine again in weeks 9-12 as the kickstart to the Test E, thoughts? I don't want to use any oral gear for kickstart because I plan to do the Anavar.

 

[d_rson]

SARMS is ordered.

 

[d_rson]

Workout today was very good. Plenty of energy, even though no pre-workout drink. Pumps are decent, and strength is very good, like being on 20mg-30mg of tbol. Veins are thinker, though the vascularity is no as pronounced due to a little water from the Dermacrine. I seem to slowly gain water during the day - I drain over night, dropping about 4lbs of water, am noticeably leaner in the morning, and slowly gain water during the day, and have a little stomach bloat by evening. CNS is still super stimulated. I'm used to it mostly, but every once in a while it gets to me. Temper is up a bit, but I'm a cool-headed guy to begin with - if I focuse it, it's productive. I'm hoping the Neurologist can have some answers for me, or maybe something to take the edge off the CNS stimulation.

I'm not gaining any weight so far, but am maintaining on a moderate calorie intake, right around 3000 right now, so that's good. Feel like I am almost leaning out a bit though it's hard to tell with the water. I think the mild estrogen effects will be good to prepare for the sarms and test.

If I can get the Test E here earlier than expected, I might start the SARMS sooner rather than "bridge" with it. We'll see.

 

[d_rson]

Workouts for Wednesday and Today (thursday) were very good. Fatigue and lethargy are basically gone. If I get breathing too heavy, stepping back a bit for a couple minutes helps. I had plenty of energy and strength is still well up there.

The Dermacrine is still making me hold water. I tried three dosing, 3.5ml three times a day, no real noticable benefit. I'll try again tomorrow, just for the heck of it. The Dermacrine has also made my insulin dosing awesome. My ratios are so much better, I'm still able to use less insulin than before. Not sure if it's an ingredient in the Dermacrine, or the increased estrogen upregulating my cells and making them insulin sensitive, but at this time it's a welcome addition.

I'm thinking of adding in a little anti-e. By evening, I'm stomach bloated and not liking it too much. Should I just bear with it for 2 more weeks, as I think switching to the sarms will help me shed the water right?

 

[angelo212]

I'm wondering why your holding water and believe it's from the Dermacrine. Your only doing the tren capsules right now which I never heard of holding water but making you dry. Also the Dermacrine is suppose to handle any excess estrogen I believe.

 

[d_rson]

I'm wondering why your holding water and believe it's from the Dermacrine. Your only doing the tren capsules right now which I never heard of holding water but making you dry. Also the Dermacrine is suppose to handle any excess estrogen I believe.

I was dry, really dry on the 19 Tren. By the second day I adding Derma, I'm holding water in the belly by evening. But only really there. It's interesting. I am very susceptible to stomach bloat to begin with when I am eating sloppy carbs. However, I'm eating very clean, low carb right now. But I am also wondering since I am experiencing a significant change in my insulin sensitivity, I'm wondering if it has to do with that. Again, it's almost all in my lower stomach, and a little in the face. Everything else is dry and vascular.

I'm going to keep moving on as is and see what becomes. It's not "bad", I just like to look really lean and when you hold in the stomach, it really stands out.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Hey bro dont use whey other than after or before workout, othet than that its useless have real meat instead

 

[angelo212]

I wouldn't say it is useless. I recommend it first thing in the morning to have a fast absorbing protein as soon as you wake up to replemish your stores. You think the whey is making him hold water and bloat? Maybe the lactose? This guy seems to know his body pretty good as he has severe diabetes and keeps it in check really well.

 

[d_rson]

I wouldn't say it is useless. I recommend it first thing in the morning to have a fast absorbing protein as soon as you wake up to replemish your stores. You think the whey is making him hold water and bloat? Maybe the lactose? This guy seems to know his body pretty good as he has severe diabetes and keeps it in check really well.

If I had a chance during the day at snack times to dump some solid food down the kisser, I would much rather, but with my schedule, the powder supps have to suffice. Plus it works well with my slow acting insulin, I'm always "ever so slightly anabolic" so the protein goes to good use and fast. I get three good meals with whole foods, and the other "meals" are typically nuts, cheese, and protein powder (which requires no additional insulin) and the whey I use has zero sugar and no lactose (another plus) - protein from whole foods seems to move my blood sugar barometer up a few points where protein powders seem to not have near as much effect. I can eat two whole, plain chicken breasts and my BS will bump 20-30 points - with the whey @ 25gram shot, I might get a 10 point bump if even that.

That said, this has been my typical protein supplementation, so I don't think it's causing the bloat. It's not like I'm michelin man or anything, it just wasn't expected. I could just be more sensitive than others. I may try 1-T next time as the kickstart, since I'll be on an anti-e at that time.

But thanks for all the points.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

I wouldn't say it is useless. I recommend it first thing in the morning to have a fast absorbing protein as soon as you wake up to replemish your stores. You think the whey is making him hold water and bloat? Maybe the lactose? This guy seems to know his body pretty good as he has severe diabetes and keeps it in check really well.

I knew i was missing something, yea right when you wake up is good since your in a fasted state but make sure to have a full meal shortly after. But just throughout the day it isnt that good since its in and out so fast.

What kind of whey is it? It might be why hes holding water, maybe some lean chicken instead or a can of tuna to replace it and see what happens?

 

[d_rson]

This is my typical day, just FYI:

Morning: 3-4 eggs, multigrain toast with natural peanut butter, and Special K Protein cereal, 30-40g whey protein (depends on if I trained the evening before).

Mid-Morning: Nuts (Pecans, walnuts), cheese, 25g whey (acts as a pre-workout protein)

Lunch (post short workout): Meal with some type of meat, green vegs and/or slow burning fruit, 40g whey

Mid-Afternoon: same as mid morning (acts are my pre-workout protein as well)

Post-Workout: 50g protein (mostly whey and casein), 25g fast carbs (sugars), 30g slow carbs (grains)

Evening meal: Same as lunch but usually not much carbs at all (usually no vegs or fruits)

Before Bed: 25g whey/25g casein shake. I also might have a small 6oz cup of ice cream to help from going hype when I sleep (since I take the long acting insulin)

 

[d_rson]

Day 1 of week 3 of 19 Tren and Day 1 of week 2 of Dermacrine.

Awesome workout today, was a monster. Not a lot of issues with lethargy, just raged right through it.

One thing I've noticed is there not a ton of anabolic activity in this stack so far compared to say 40mg of tbol - I'm experiencing mild to moderate DOMS, but vascularity is really good - I popped the right bicep vein today, it's usually hard to pop - my left one is always popped. Skin seems thinner.

And while I'm holding some water in the abs - wasn't as bad today, I can tell some thinning there, too. I've hit a couple blood vessles lately while giving my subq insulin, very unsual for me.

With weight staying right around 198, I seem to be recomping nicely after only 2 weeks. 2 more weeks of this, then bridging/mid PCT with SARMS and Sustain. Can't wait.

 

[crulexis]

Good luck man

 

[d_rson]

Hump day of week 3.

Hard time sleeping last night (been borderline a couple times, but last night, wow!), probably popped the 19 Tren a little late last night. Going to try to hit the 19 Tren not so spaced out for the rest of the duration - something like 6:00am, 12:00pm, 6:00pm. I hit it last night right before bed, and woke up at midnight sweating, peeing, and wigged out a bit (weird dreams). Valerian Root usually has helped, but not last night!

Still lifting heavy and feeling it 24-48 hours, but not "that" bad. Slightly better recovery, but deffinitely recomping. I have to go 45 degree angle on insulin shots now with 8mm "ultra short" needles, so there's a sign my abdomen is thinning. Not huge or drastic, but slowly recomping. Got compliments on my shoulders today, looking striated. I'd say I'm probably close to 9.5% bf and dropping. Veins are thicked/bigger. And keep in mind I'm not really calorie-resricted either. AND I haven't been able to work out my legs this whole time due to a high ankle sprain (braced). So I'm staying the same weight, losing bodyfat, and only working out upper body. Good stuff so far.

Just and FWIW on sides. Virtually none - I will not hold my CNS stimulation issues against the 19 Tren - if I didn't have Neuropathic issues to begin with, I would be fine - like taking a diet pill. But the 19 Tren seems to really stimulate the nerves so for me it's a hard side-effect to deal with at times. But it's something I have to live with - it's not a health issue I can fix. The sleep issues again are probably amplified by my neuropathy.

Other than that - no heartburn, no high blood pressure, virtually nothing else (other than that beginning lethargy which is able to be "worked around").

 

[d_rson]

Week three is basically done. Granted, it's not really over until Sunday, but workouts are done for the week. Today was not great, I felt horrible from lack of sleep and a ton of work related issues causing stress, etc. I did feel much better after lunch, and afterwork workout was very good. One more week of Dermacrine LV and 19 Tren, and then I start the SARMS and Sustain Alpha for 4 weeks.

 

[angelo212]

Week three is basically done. Granted, it's not really over until Sunday, but workouts are done for the week. Today was not great, I felt horrible from lack of sleep and a ton of work related issues causing stress, etc. I did feel much better after lunch, and afterwork workout was very good. One more week of Dermacrine LV and 19 Tren, and then I start the SARMS and Sustain Alpha for 4 weeks.

Yeah I hear even the tren in oral form even keeps people awake. Sice you only have a week left of the tren I would take somethhing to help me sleep. You need your sleep. Lunesta or Ambian just for a short period of time. They worked for me beautifully.

 

[d_rson]

Okay, I stopped a little early. I stopped the 19 Tren TFO on Wed (Jan 27) and the Dermacrine LV on Thurs (Jan 28). I couldn't handle the CNS stuff anymore. I've been looking into my issues and am finding that it looks like I may have nerve compression secondary to my diabetic neuropthy. I'm getting a lot of numbness and pain that reads alot like nerve compression in my elbows and wrists and ankles.

So I rolled into PCT a couple days early. Took SARMS yesterday, off today and tomorrow, and will start again Monday - 5 days on, 2 days off. Also doing Sustain Alpha LV and trying out Unleashed. Like the Sustain/Unleashed combo so far.

I've posted in a couple other threads that my balls have already dropped well, and I had a nice morning wood this morning.

The results of almost 4 weeks of Tren TFO and almost 3 weeks of Dermacrine look to be about 2lbs up in total weight, with a definite drop in BF very noticable in the morning especially. Never saw a huge strength increase, but I was able to maintain using the same weights while not loading myself full of carbs. Basically a nice recomp. I recommend.

I'm taking this week "off" in a way - going easy, cutting back on protein and other supps, as I have a muscle doctor appointment this Friday and want my blood work done then to be very clean to rule out some high numbers in my last blood test. Figure the SARMS will help me from crashing - I'm not crazy about cutting back, but I have to rule out some factors in the blood test.

So I'm basically into my PCT/Cruise to go into my Test E cycle, but these next two appointments (this Friday and next Friday) will tell me if I can continue into the rest of my cycle or what.

 

[angelo212]

That was some good feedback. I'm enjoying this log.

 

[d_rson]

That was some good feedback. I'm enjoying this log.

Thanks!

I want to continue to point out that most people would be fine with the CNS stimulation, it's just a lot for me to handle when dealing with a messed up CNS myself - which hopefully is signs it's coming back to life and repairing, but at the same time it's SOOOO ultra sensative.

So I guess the next part of the log here will be how well SARMS continues the recomp and cruises me along. I don't think recovery will be hard, I don't think the 19 Tren and/or Dermacrine shut me down hard - just this last week I noticed some shrinkage (the kind where you can't cross your legs without cracking your nuts), and that's already subsiding. I'd say in a week or two I'll be back to firing 100% - so this Cruise will just be additional recomp with SARMS and checking out which way I end up going - a full blown Test E cycle as planned, or something more "mild" like another Dermacrine+"something else" until I can get better health answers.

The funny thing about this CNS crap, which the doctors can't understand (noone would be able to until they had it), is that I feel the best while working out. My muscles are stretched out, I'm pushing my synapses hard, and I feel good. It's when I'm sitting at work for long periods, or when I can't get motivated and sit around that I feel horrible.

 

[d_rson]

Took 25mg SARMS this morning and 25mg sarms around 4:00. I did not work out today. I'm not working out this week in prep for a clean blood test this week. I'm probably going to do some cardio and stretching tomorrow. But what I can say is my muscles are a little pumped and I'm a little vascular like I did workout today, but I didn't. It's interesting.

I did notice I was on my game a little more than usual today. I was in a little pain due to some throbbing neuropathy, but I kept a good mood. Hopefully the sarms can make me feel like I worked out this week even though I have to take it easy.

Oh, and the sarms isn't that bad tasting. I take it around breakfast time, draw it into a 1cc slin pin (with needle broke off) and spray it into my mouth. Yeah, it's not delicious, but I've had worse.

 

[d_rson]

Okay, blood test was done this morning, no results back yet. I hadn't worked out in 10 days, cut way back on protein (I was only having about 75grams exogenous), no creatine, very little supps.

But then today I hit the guy. I was going to "take it easy". Stretched for about 10 then started grabbing some things. Nothing really planned, just wanted to stretch the muscles out and get a little pump in them - it had been 10 days. Right off the bat I hop up and do 15 dead hang widegrip pullups like it was nothing! Waited 1 min, hopped up and belted out 10 more. That's more than I have done in a long time, and I did them strict (straight leg hang, all the way down, pull straight up, elbows out). Dang. I felt different. I just kept jumping on stuff, I didn't want to wait too long. I was really surprised! I didn't feel raged up like I usually feel when I am on, but I was belting stuff out like I was on. Was really cool. Popped a vein in both my shoulders, and am almost ready to pop some in my right peck-shoulder tie-in. Forearms are ropes, and my biceps are huge ropes.

Nice. Thanks, sarms!

I also am switching to one-day on, one-day off for sustain. I feel like my estrogen is really suppressed, and I feel like I'm pretty much back, and the unleashed is filling in. I don't want to supress my estrogen too much as that causes alot of insulin resistance. I want to keep some estrogen around to keep my androgen recptors refreshed.

So first day in the gym after 5 days on sarms, and it was quite good!

 

[angelo212]

Looks like you really made my mind up about the sarms. I been reading some post here and there and this compound looks like a keeper. Can't wait to try it. I'm going to use it in a PCT.

 

[d_rson]

Granted I'm only into 1 week on sarms, but since I'm cycling it weekly, 5 on (weekdays) 2 off (weekends), I might use it for 8 weeks and use the second 4 weeks as the kickstart into the Test E, and throw 20mg Superdrone LV in there for 3-4 weeks as well. We'll see.

 

[d_rson]

Okay, results in on recent blood test

CPK dropped to 268 after 10 days off, so CPK was definitely workout induced. AST dropped 10 points and ALT is about the same. However, the rheumatologist is CERTAIN the AST and ALT values are muscle AST and ALT and not liver. Dr indicated that muscle AST and ALT take some time to rise and some time to fall, so 10 days off isn't enough to see it. Dr said it has been seen that these values rise a week into an off week for an intense body builder so you can actually see these values rise while your not working out. And they decline slowly as well. She was not worried at all about my liver.

She also cleared me to continue working out intensely.

Today, I did another 40 minute "circuit" - did some chest and shoulders, and did pull ups in between. I was doing 200lb bench for 15 then jumped right into 15 pull ups, then 200lbs for 10, then 10 pull ups, then I think I belted out 8 bench reps, then another 8 pull ups (10 if you count a little kip-move in the last two). All with no rest. It was crazy. I did have to stop and take a breather after that super.

Shame I took the last sarms till monday.

 

[d_rson]

Attached are some pics I took real quick. These are NON-pump picks, I haven't worked out since yesterday.

Oh, and BTW, I am not sore at all. Not a single muscle is sore. Sarms rocks.

 

[d_rson]

More Photos.

 

[angelo212]

Just wrote a book long comment and it didn't register. I'm pissed. Anyway, everything looks good. Log is great.

 

[ChemWiz]

This is a great log, keep it up.

Im right there with you on the sarms. Its only a matter of time before everyone uses it.

Its great as a stand alone and in PCT,.

 

[d_rson]

Lunch workout was great. Abs - I just pounded threw them. Declines with 45lb plate, woohoo. I noticed afterward I was almost popping a vein in my traps!

Afterwork workout was awesome, straped some plates on me and did pullups again, Bentover rows strict - sarms = yum yum.

I did notice that the car headlights had a "little" yellow tint to them. Not sure yet if it's just me "watching" for sides or if it's a true side. It's only a little bit, nothing big. I'll continue the 25mg twice a day, 5 days on 2 days off, for now.

I'm definitely recomping. I'm down about 2lbs (probably from the week off last week), no big deal I don't think I lost any muscle. My bicep veins are ropes now, getting complements on them and my forearms. My belly-button abdomen area is going to be the hard part. I don't seem to be losing there much, again most likely to injecting insulin there all day long. I'll worry about that area when I hit the anavar in 7 or 8 weeks or so.

Biceps at lunch and Chest afterwork tomorrow - can't wait!

 

[d_rson]

Sorry it's been a few days since posting.

The week went the same. Nice pumps, Good strength, great vascularity.

I spent the weekend looking over my plan and I have revised it to some degree. I decided to go 12 weeks of Test E and add proviron to really help cut up and keep the estrogen at bay. I have aromasin handy, but it causes insulin resistance in me so if I can avoid it...

Week 1-4: 19 tren TFO, 3 caps ED (6:30am, 2:30pm, 10:30pm)
Week 2-4: Dermacrine, 10ml ED (5ml morning and evening)
Week 5-6: sarms, 50mg, 5 on / 2 off
Week 5-6: Sustain Alpha, 10ml ED (5ml morning and evening)

[Above completed, I am here]
Week 7-10: sarms, 40mg, 5 on / 2 off
Week 7-18: test e, 375mg (.75cc Sun PM, Wed PM)
Week 11-17: Proviron, 50mg ED
Week 13-20: anavar, 30mg ED
Week 18-19: Aromasin, 12.5mg ED
Week 20-23: sarms, 40mg, 5 on / 2 off
Week 20-23: Sustain Alpha, 10ml ED (5ml morning and evening)
Week 20-23: Unleashed, as directed
Week 20-21: nolva, 20mg ED
Week 22-23: nolva, 10mg ED

So that means, you guess it, I just did the first pin. I did .5cc to see how it was instead of .75cc. Did 25g 5/8" into the delt. Nice and easy - cake. I did get a little "anxiety" flush and the back of my neck has tensed up, but I had nothing while doing it - this was afterward. It was a little sore at first, but that has gone away. Now it just feels like I got a flu shot. I'm sure I'll feel it tomorrow .

 

[the.gladiator1987]

hey bro make sure you inject quads too. I didnt my first cycle because i was scared and now i wish i had, lot of shoulder scar tissue. I can feel it lol quads are like buter though

btw how are you liking the sarms? I want to start the 5x3 program but im about to come off a cycle so i dont want to lose strength in the middle of the program and have to restart it. So are you actually just as strong or getting stronger while on sarms? I want to use them for my PCT. Thanks bro btw lookin good!!!

 

[angelo212]

Why did you cut back from 50mg of the sarms to 40mg? Any side effects?

 

[d_rson]

hey bro make sure you inject quads too. I didnt my first cycle because i was scared and now i wish i had, lot of shoulder scar tissue. I can feel it lol quads are like buter though

I plan to rotate, shoulders and quads. That will give me 2 weeks between each site, and only six pins per site. I'm think of trying glutes, but I can't reach back there very well.

btw how are you liking the sarms? I want to start the 5x3 program but im about to come off a cycle so i dont want to lose strength in the middle of the program and have to restart it. So are you actually just as strong or getting stronger while on sarms? I want to use them for my PCT. Thanks bro btw lookin good!!!

Well, the first week I was on "no working out" due to specific blood test, but last week I had every bit of strength I had during the Derma/19 Tren run. Can't tell you if I was getting stronger since it was only one week (one body part a week), but I can tell you I could go longer. I can say that I cranked out 10-8-6-4 in pullups with weights between my legs, first time ever. So maybe. You don't "feel" like you are on, so it can be deceiving.

 

[d_rson]

Why did you cut back from 50mg of the sarms to 40mg? Any side effects?

Since I extended 2 more weeks, and I was getting the "yellow" car lights side effect (only side effect), I thought I would cut back to 40 for the next 4 weeks just to be on the safe side. I'm also doing it once a day (morning).

 

[the.gladiator1987]

yea glutes are hard lol. k i plan on getting sarms then

 

[angelo212]

Your still doing the S-4 at 5 days on 2 off at 40mg right?

 

[d_rson]

Your still doing the S-4 at 5 days on 2 off at 40mg right?

Actually, I'm just sticking with 50mg. I did yesterday and today 50mg in the morning ~6:30am (as upposed to the 25/25 split). Big workouts are at 5:30pm - I did not feel like I have previously these past two days - I didn't feel like I could "keep going" as much. I'm going to ride the week out on morning dose only, and see what becomes. Probably switch back to 25mg/25mg split morning and pre-workout.

Second pin is tomorrow night. Probably due quads.

 

[d_rson]

2nd pin was yesterday - .75cc in the right quad. Smooth as silk - it took me like 2 minutes and I was done. I didn't feel a thing and it was easy to aspirate cleanly. I used 25g 1", and went about 3/4" in. This Test E I've got is really smooth. I've heard that Test E is generally slow to inject, but this is nice and smooth. I don't need to heat it at all. I had to force myself to go slow cause it would have gone a little faster. I had no pain, and today I have no pain at all. I can hardly even tell where I injected - have to push pretty hard to feel the "sore". Much better than my delts, but I'm still going to rotate them in. I was feeling Sunday's pin even today a little when doing shoulders. Not bad and not painful, just could tell I had jabbed myself there a few days back. Probably just that area getting used to being pinned.

Today was two great workouts. Shoulders at lunch and blasted Bi's after work and then fried the forearms. I've got tons of veins in my biceps about ready to pop.

Not crazy about doing 50mg sarms all at once in the morning. I like the split I was doing. It just doesn't feel the same by evening. I'm going back to 25/25 tomorrow.

Hitting the sack early. Gotta catch up on some sleep. Triceps and legs tomorrow.

BTW, I'm back up to about 200lbs morning, post-evacuation. So I'm up 4lbs since about the 8th, 10 days ago.

 

[d_rson]

3rd pin tonight, was interesting. Probably was going to happen someday- the first two just went too easy, lol.

Hit the right delt and I could tell going in I hit a blood vessel. I immediately pulled out and had a gusher. Opps. Switched needles, thought about hitting the delt again, and I was a little shaken so I was like I'll just hit my other quad. Started, hit a nerve, leg jerked and I pulled out. Geeze! So I'm like all frustrated, almost ready to give up, and I talked myself into trying again. Replaced the needle, rotated my delt around a little more and hit a little farther back. Went much better. No blood vessel this time. Went real slow. Felt a little queezy after, probably because of the adventure I just had. But I'm done. Only about ..65-.70cc went in after switching needles twice, but good to go. I'll be sore tomorrow for sure, since I basically punched a hole in my delt twice this time (and more test in there this time too). Also, I suck at control with my left hand.

 

[d_rson]

Wow, 4th inject was even more of an event. Oh well, I tried to hit the left quad, and hit a nasty nerve on the way in. I freaked a little and pulled out. Changed pins and tried again, slightly different spot. Hit a nerve again, but I just kept going this time - then bang hit a blood vessel and felt it big time. Again, pulled out (dang) and I gushed! So I took the night off, and tried again this morning. No issues this morning. Wew. Guess I have to experience this stuff eventually.

I seemed to be experiencing some "oily skin" today. Test starting to kick in? This early? Hmm.

Lifts are going well. There's a hightened sense of aggression and push-through.

I'm off the sarms - last week as the last week on it for not - it was recommended by some board gurus to not have the sarms competing with the test.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

damn bro intense injections lol. never have had a gusher. oily skin is cus of test it kicks in the day you inject.

 

[TQ_]

Wow, 4th inject was even more of an event. Oh well, I tried to hit the left quad, and hit a nasty nerve on the way in. I freaked a little and pulled out. Changed pins and tried again, slightly different spot. Hit a nerve again, but I just kept going this time - then bang hit a blood vessel and felt it big time. Again, pulled out (dang) and I gushed! So I took the night off, and tried again this morning. No issues this morning. Wew. Guess I have to experience this stuff eventually.

I seemed to be experiencing some "oily skin" today. Test starting to kick in? This early? Hmm.

Lifts are going well. There's a hightened sense of aggression and push-through.

I'm off the sarms - last week as the last week on it for not - it was recommended by some board gurus to not have the sarms competing with the test.

Would you mind posting a picture of where you are injecting in your quads that is causing all these problems?

 

[d_rson]

Finished week 4 @ 375mg test e. This week I was a little puffy, not much at all, so I took 12.5mg aromasin on monday and thrs. By Wed I was much less puffy. I start Proviron tomorrow, so we'll see how well that works. Weighing in ~203lbs, and harder and leaner.

Strength is up a bit and I feel like I am on a pre-workout drink in the gym, even though I am not. I did legs yesterday and was lifting heavier than I have in a long time. I have a confidence about me, and I've been "challenging" eveything at work lately due to this level of confidence.

I also am shifting my plan just a bit. This is a great opporunity for me to compare tbol and anavar. Instead of doing 8 weeks of anavar weeks 13-20, I am going to do 4 weeks of 40mg tbol and 4 weeks of 40mg anavar. This will give me the chance to 1) put a couple more lbs onm and 2) compare anavar to tbol in the same envrionment. I've run tbol twice before, but would like to see the immediate comparison of the two in the same 375mg test environment.

So my adjusted cycle is (I'm about to start week 11)

Week 1-4: 19 tren TFO, 3 caps ED (6:30am, 2:30pm, 10:30pm)
Week 2-4: Dermacrine, 10ml ED (5ml morning and evening)
Week 5-6: sarms, 50mg, 5 on / 2 off
Week 5-6: Sustain Alpha, 10ml ED (5ml morning and evening)
Week 7-10: sarms, 40mg, 5 on / 2 off
Week 7-18: test e, 375mg (.75cc Sun PM, Wed PM)
Week 11-17: Proviron, 50mg ED
Week 13-16 Tbol, 40mg ED
Week 17-20: Anavar, 30mg ED
Week 18-19: Aromasin, 12.5mg ED
Week 20-23: sarms, 50mg, 5 on / 2 off
Week 20-23: Sustain Alpha, 10ml ED (5ml morning and evening)
Week 20-23: Unleashed, as directed
Week 20-21: nolva, 20mg ED
Week 22-23: nolva, 10mg ED

 

[d_rson]

Wow. I like proviron already! Took 25mg morning and 25 about 2 hours ago. I have hardened up and dried up very quickly. This morning I was still showing a little water in the cheeks, behind the nips (not sore or sensitive though) and in the belly. Gone. I also feel better. Hard to describe yet.

Also, vascularity is improved. I've popped a couple veins in my quads, and have a nice vein forming in my lower abs. Small veins in my biceps are popping up...