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Most of us here will live to experience the collapse of American society

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Maybe even before most of us are old and gray. It's really not that hard to see anymore at the current rate. Nothing conspiratorial about it either. It's just the road we're on. This election for example, is a joke; moreso than the few preceding it. We always say, "learn from history or you're doomed to repeat it" or something like that, but of course we never learn. We as a society are quick to brush aside any and damn near all warning signs for either personal reasons or to avoid straying from the comfort of the general consensus. Or both. We prefer in our busy lifestyles to take in our news in easily digestible soundbites vs. meaningful thought and consideration for it. I suppose even the mighty U.S. isn't invincible. Advanced societies have collapsed since the beginning of time for different reasons. Ours will be because of a broad mix of them. Makes me wonder how long our Founding Fathers envisioned this nation lasting, and what they'd think of it now.

The government has seen it coming for decades and now have to struggle to find a way through it. If there is a God, he must be shaking his head yet again.



The Planned Collapse Of USA

By Peter Chamberlinbabylon01.jpg

MortysCabin.com
12-11-7

There is no shortage of speculation about “why” our leaders are still adamantly planning for the destruction of Iran, in the face of overwhelming popular opposition, even though everyone except the neocons and their allies believes that America would not survive our own actions.
An irrational attack is planned and apparently the decision has been chiseled in stone. It may be for Israel. It may be for oil. Maybe it is for world domination?
We are launching a nuclear world war to save us from ourselves. “We have found the enemy and he is us.” –Pogo. We risk blowing the world apart, to avoid watching America slowly choke on its own excesses.
The government has known for decades that America is on a countdown to self-destruction. Among the elite it is common knowledge that our “global economy” must one day collapse from its own dead weight.
In 1974 an intensive research project was undertaken by the Stanford Research Institute and the Charles F. Kettering Foundation for the Dept. of Education.
Their final report was released as the Changing Images of Man. It was compiled by the SRI Center for the Study of Social Policy, Director Willis Harmon. This is a far-reaching investigation into how the basic nature of man might be changed. The Aquarian Conspiracy describes the implementation of their work in the real world..
The most reassuring part of “Images” is that it confirms my own conclusions about our crisis, but it is also the most disturbing part, for it confirms my worst reservations about this time.
The object of the research was the development of a plausible vision of the future in which democratic methods survive, major problems are managed successfully if not resolved, and the unfolding of the human potential continues to expand. In other words, the postulation of a “desirable future” including feasible paths to its realization . . .

The government was looking forward to a very troubling future, trying to figure out the best path through it. The plan was to find ways to shape and mold mankind into a new cultural image, complete with new ideas and ideologies, even religious ones. The root of the problem was human nature, and solution was to reshape the competing forces of daily life, in order to forge a new image of a new human nature.
The researchers were brutally honest in seeking all available knowledge pertaining to their research, and in assessing the current common image of man-on-earth.
The research revealed that there were a multitude of crises that were about to intersect in America’s near future.
Not the least of these converging catastrophes was a rapidly approaching breakdown of both American capitalism and democracy. The collapse was a natural result of globalism and monopoly capitalism. The basic greed that powers the system eroded the American political and economic structures, exposing the foundation of immorality and unfairness that amplifies the social unrest.

The Stanford researchers clearly predicted that the American economy was destined to collapse from its own dead weight. The data also showed that that economic collapse was to be accompanied by disastrous social repercussions, such as rioting and upheaval, which would lead us into a “garrison state.”
The thing about this research is that this work has confirmed that our economy based on parasitic capitalism, where the small elite sits atop the heap of men and gorges on their lifeblood, is destroying the social fabric of America.
This system is based on a stacked deck, where the top elite always reap the profits that are made to rise to the top through the corporate profits-based system. The research confirmed that the growing inequities of such a system were ever increasing and with them, elevated social tensions. A system based on usury and putting everyone in the “poor house” is an economic order that is guaranteed to produce a democratic revolution, whenever the misery index of the armed populace exceeds the limits that they are willing to peacefully bear, without striking back at the source of their misery.
Changing Images of Man predicts an American economic collapse and a “garrison” (police) state,” if the overwhelming inequities of our economic system are not corrected by powerful multinationals making more humane decisions. Alternatives to this doomsday scenario are discussed, all of which point to the need to devote all available resources towards transforming the image of man, changing man’s nature, instead of altering the corrupted economic system which has brought America to this dire state.

In this government study it was inappropriate to denounce the evil culprits behind all our troubles (who pull the strings on government itself), even though the task was to document and remedy the damage that they have done. Instead, they are cited as the hopeful “saviors,” that we should look to for help and leadership.
The hypocrisy of the hegemons! The authors admit that it is “utopian in 1974 to think of the multinational corporations as potentially among our most effective mechanisms for husbanding the earth’s resources and optimizing their use for human benefit — the current popular image of the corporation tends to be more that of the spoiler and the exploiter.”
Instead of charging the people who are responsible for our situation (such as men like David Rockefeller), for manipulating our economy and our democracy to maximize their profits, the multi-national corporations and their owners were exalted as the potential saviors of mankind.
Rockefeller and the elite have consistently taken steps to dominate the world by controlling people through “humanitarian” projects which, in the end, turn out to be profit mechanisms. The “green revolution” to spread corporate farming to the Third World has been the key to globalization’s destabilizing of world labor markets, in order to create populations of “refugee workers,” who are willing to go anywhere to find work for slave wages. This is the cause of the wave of illegal immigration into the US from Mexico.
This is part of the proof that there are powerful individuals who are using their economic power to undermine nations in a long-term scheme to gain control of nations and multiply their profits.
Here http://www.constitutionforum.net/main_good_government.html

David Rockefeller admits media collusion with his one world plans: “We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the light of publicity during those years.
But now the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supra-national sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”
Rockefeller writes on page 405 of his memoirs: “Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.” (<http://lonelantern.org/site/index.php?ption=com_content&task=view&id=356>Activists Go Face to Face With Evil As Rockefeller Confronted)
Everything that “Images” suggested to remedy shortcomings in the economic system was based on the assumption that men like this would acquire a new corporate benevolence, with CEOs gaining basic humanity.
According to Rockefeller himself (who freely admits his efforts to replace America with a “one world” order), he has been working for the greater good of man, all along.
Their conclusions on American political shortcomings were that these would be tended to by the new improved humane politicians, sort of like Bush’s “compassionate conservatives.”
Step 4 of their six-part strategy to “Bring About a Non-Catostrophic Transformation” — “Encourage a politics of righteousness and a heightened sense of public responsibilities of the private sector . . .
A politics of righteousness might have been laudable in any generation; it may be indispensable for safe passage through the times just ahead.”
The report authors recognize the inevitability of the rising new image of man, describing it as a quasi-religious awakening within the collective mind of man, man’s new human nature, relating it to the actual process of spiritual learning that has been going on within religions for thousands of years. They praise Freemasonry and the skills and disciplines inculcated within its members, speculating that their ways might be the key to shoring-up our free enterprise democratic society.
They developed a strategy to revitalize America’s motivational images, symbols and institutions, outlining five separate approaches to the problem, describing the pluses and the pitfalls of each, according to their effects upon society. These approaches are defined as “restorative, simulative, manipulative, persuasive and facilitative.” Restoration of crumbling icons works best in the early stages of societal transformation (revitalization cycle).
The simulative strategy introduces new ideas, whenever the collapse of the old order becomes apparent. The manipulative strategy seeks to limit individual freedoms. Persuasive propaganda phase is to be coupled with proven mind control techniques, to keep down the social upheaval and shape the emerging image.
“No doubt existing consciousness-changing, behavior-shaping, subliminal persuasion, and other conditioning techniques could be used to accomplish some sort of transformation of sobering proportions (we ought to be able to be more effective than Nazi Germany). After previously citing Nazi reinvigoration of the Germanic icons and ideals.”
The transforming revitalization process mirrors the psychiatric process of leading a patient through a psychotic break and the restructuring of his life, but on a national scale.

Once the transformation becomes apparent, social stability will become a problem, especially when society feels pushed by overextending the simulative stage. Actions taken to increase the polarization between “transformation enthusiasts and the conservatives” are called “constructive,” except when it is desirable to take actions that “contribute to social cohesion.” They were searching for the best path to bring about a controlled deconstruction of everything that “America” means and the reconstruction of a new improved vision of America. They are midwifes to the delivery of the “New World Order,” as they go about the dirty business of guiding society through that predicted period of “friendly fascism.”
The great anomaly is given as the great chasm between an efficiently functioning profit-driven capitalist society and the human needs and desires of that society which go unmet, so that “profits” can be taken. In fact, the “profit” really amounts to the bread that is taken from the poor. The inequities and the unfairness of the corporate system are causing the breakdown of American capitalism and American democracy.
The American catastrophe is causing the breakdown of the world economy for the same reason, the basic inability of monopoly capitalism to meet the basic needs demanded by the world’s people.

Bush’s appointed task is to bully America through this turbulent period of upheaval, with as little disruption of corporate activity as possible. Government has taken the words of this study to heart, preparing a manipulative transformation, to divert or preempt the coming collapse of our nation with a massive war today.
This is also one of the primary reasons for the coming world war, to serve as a prelude to American martial law. Instead of calling out the troops after the insurrection has begun, they plan to call out the troops first. If the American military is to forcefully control the homeland, including their own relatives, then the troops must first be convinced that the nation’s survival depends upon their patriotic actions.
This is why the world war against Iran has not started yet, because our National Guard must first be convinced that its duty is to put down the American rebellion which will surely accompany the bombing of Iran. The timing for their great takeover is crucial, if they want to move America past (through) the social unrest as quickly as possible.

Here are the “Elements of a Strategy for a Non-catastrophic Transition”:
1. Promote awareness of the unavoidability of the transformation.
2. Foster construction of a guiding vision of a workable society built around the new image of man and new social paradigm.
3. Foster a period of experimentation and tolerance for diverse alternatives.
4. Encourage a politics of righteousness and a heightened sense of public responsibilities of the private sector . . . A politics of righteousness might have been laudable in any generation; it may be indispensable for safe passage through the times just ahead.
5. Promote systematic exploration of and foster education regarding man’s inner life, his subjective experience.
6. Plan adequate social controls for the transition period while safeguarding against longer-term losses of freedom . . . Regulation and restraint of behavior will be necessary in order to hold the society together while it goes around a difficult corner.
There must be a new economics to deal with the “new scarcities.” Arguing for corporate America to adopt a humanitarian aspect, the argument is made for an alternative “new socialism,” where important sectors like energy might be nationalized for the good of the country, and greater pressure put upon corporations to mandate a sort of social awareness of employee needs, as much as shareholder profits.
“The appropriate question may be not so much how to bring about a transformation . . . but rather how to facilitate a non-catastrophic transformation.” [page 195]

“Construct a guiding version of a workable society, built around a new positive image of humankind and corresponding vision of a suitable social paradigm. As the old order shows increasing signs of falling apart, some adequate vision of what may be simultaneously building is urgently needed for mobilization of constructive effort. The guiding vision has to include some way of providing for full and valued participation in the economic and social affairs of the community and society, especially for those who are physically and mentally able to contribute but find themselves in a state of unwilling idleness and deterioration of spirit.”

Despite all the report’s shortcomings and its hypocrisy, it does make some sound observations about what is needed for our immediate survival. We should take it as a guide to what our government knows about the coming mega-crisis and a template to help us see what changes we could make if there were truly a new economy, a new social contract, a new American state. For it is obvious to all those who take the time to look, that we are headed into period of national freefall, when American society plunges head first, into a dark abyss of uncertainty, as the old order passes away, and the New World Order rushes in to fill the void.
We are seeing the planned collapse of America, coming down the road we are on. What are we going to do to get our nation off that highway to hell?
 
The thing about this research is that this work has confirmed that our economy based on parasitic capitalism, where the small elite sits atop the heap of men and gorges on their lifeblood, is destroying the social fabric of America.
This system is based on a stacked deck, where the top elite always reap the profits that are made to rise to the top through the corporate profits-based system. The research confirmed that the growing inequities of such a system were ever increasing and with them, elevated social tensions. A system based on usury and putting everyone in the “poor house” is an economic order that is guaranteed to produce a democratic revolution, whenever the misery index of the armed populace exceeds the limits that they are willing to peacefully bear, without striking back at the source of their misery.


Amen. I've said this for a long time. Many people want to put more policy into practice that will accelerate this. Its fed by many people who constant parrot that people who don't have money are in a place in life simply because they made bad choices or were lazy.

This is exactly the mentality that the elite would have the general population to believe.

Continue to let wealth consolidate, the end result is always the same, revolution. (but not before a lot of innocent people get fucked to the point that they are fed up)
 
Don't worry Lestat - the wealthy are leaving the country. You'll be hanging out with more and more of your southern brothers and watching your standard of living continue to fall.

congrats. It's what u wanted.

r
 
The thing about this research is that this work has confirmed that our economy based on parasitic capitalism, where the small elite sits atop the heap of men and gorges on their lifeblood, is destroying the social fabric of America.
This system is based on a stacked deck, where the top elite always reap the profits that are made to rise to the top through the corporate profits-based system. The research confirmed that the growing inequities of such a system were ever increasing and with them, elevated social tensions. A system based on usury and putting everyone in the “poor house” is an economic order that is guaranteed to produce a democratic revolution, whenever the misery index of the armed populace exceeds the limits that they are willing to peacefully bear, without striking back at the source of their misery.


Amen. I've said this for a long time. Many people want to put more policy into practice that will accelerate this. Its fed by many people who constant parrot that people who don't have money are in a place in life simply because they made bad choices or were lazy.

This is exactly the mentality that the elite would have the general population to believe.

Continue to let wealth consolidate, the end result is always the same, revolution. (but not before a lot of innocent people get fucked to the point that they are fed up)



Cool, we agree on something!
 
The thing about this research is that this work has confirmed that our economy based on parasitic capitalism, where the small elite sits atop the heap of men and gorges on their lifeblood, is destroying the social fabric of America.
This system is based on a stacked deck, where the top elite always reap the profits that are made to rise to the top through the corporate profits-based system. The research confirmed that the growing inequities of such a system were ever increasing and with them, elevated social tensions. A system based on usury and putting everyone in the “poor house” is an economic order that is guaranteed to produce a democratic revolution, whenever the misery index of the armed populace exceeds the limits that they are willing to peacefully bear, without striking back at the source of their misery.

this for a long time. Many people want to put more policy into practice that will accelerate this. Its fed by many people who constant parrot that people who don't have money are in a place in life simply because they made bad choices or were lazy.

This is exactly the mentality that the elite would have the general population to believe.

Continue to let wealth consolidate, the end result is always the same, revolution. (but not before a lot of innocent people get fucked to the point that they are fed up)

revolution=gulag
class wars have a ugly history

it seems weird that you are so against wealth consolidation, when you have more wealth than the average usa citizen...when the class war comes, i believe you will find yourself on the side of the rich
 
revolution=gulag
class wars have a ugly history

it seems weird that you are so against wealth consolidation, when you have more wealth than the average usa citizen...when the class war comes, i believe you will find yourself on the side of the rich
Look at the French revolution bro! Same shit. The fucking common man finally got pissed off and they overturned the entire system! So you are absolutely right, class wars have a very ugly system. The solution is to give people the power to change their class, to change their situation.

What do you see happening today though? Education quality is going down, and many people are pushing measures that will further degrade education options for the poor (the people who need it most). Health care is less affordable than ever, who does this hurt the most? The poor. Sick people don't work, sick people don't go to school, sick people can't change their 'class' status.


I am totally against the consolidation of wealth. This does NOT mean I am a communist or think everyone should get the same salary regardless of their contributions. I don't think someone who goes to school for 12 years should get a salary even close to someone who only has a high school degree.

I think EVERYONE who works full time should get a livable wage. What is a livable wage? It means you can pay rent, pay for food, pay for health care, pay for transportation, etc. It doesn't mean you get great vacations and flat screen TVs.

I've always said that our country shouldn't be judged by the quality of life that the Bill Gates and Warren buffets have, but we should be judged by how well our poor live. Someone who's parents are killed young, or put in foster care and attends the lowest income schools, we should judge ourselves by how often people in that type of situation make it to a solid middle class lifestyle.

I understand why you'd say I'd be on the side of the rich, and yes if it came to physical violence, the poor would probably see me as part of the problem. Luckily I have all these posts here basically pleading for people to vote for leaders that share the same mentality as I. We need to make EVERYONE prosperous. We need to ensure that wealth individuals and corporations do funnel money back into the system that they readily use to amass great wealth. You can't just keep taking and taking, the resources will run dry.

You call my ideas white or middle class guilt, I call it doing the right thing by all.
 
I like stuff more than money. I do my part to feed the economy. I prefer this mantra over wealth consolidation because it benefits the individual and the society.
 
Look at the French revolution bro! Same shit. The fucking common man finally got pissed off and they overturned the entire system! So you are absolutely right, class wars have a very ugly system. The solution is to give people the power to change their class, to change their situation.

What do you see happening today though? Education quality is going down, and many people are pushing measures that will further degrade education options for the poor (the people who need it most). Health care is less affordable than ever, who does this hurt the most? The poor. Sick people don't work, sick people don't go to school, sick people can't change their 'class' status.


I am totally against the consolidation of wealth. This does NOT mean I am a communist or think everyone should get the same salary regardless of their contributions. I don't think someone who goes to school for 12 years should get a salary even close to someone who only has a high school degree.

I think EVERYONE who works full time should get a livable wage. What is a livable wage? It means you can pay rent, pay for food, pay for health care, pay for transportation, etc. It doesn't mean you get great vacations and flat screen TVs.

I've always said that our country shouldn't be judged by the quality of life that the Bill Gates and Warren buffets have, but we should be judged by how well our poor live. Someone who's parents are killed young, or put in foster care and attends the lowest income schools, we should judge ourselves by how often people in that type of situation make it to a solid middle class lifestyle.

I understand why you'd say I'd be on the side of the rich, and yes if it came to physical violence, the poor would probably see me as part of the problem. Luckily I have all these posts here basically pleading for people to vote for leaders that share the same mentality as I. We need to make EVERYONE prosperous. We need to ensure that wealth individuals and corporations do funnel money back into the system that they readily use to amass great wealth. You can't just keep taking and taking, the resources will run dry.

You call my ideas white or middle class guilt, I call it doing the right thing by all.

i just don't see a class war being very fun to be a part of...it would be the complete ruin of our country.
yeah maybe it worked out in france, but i'm sure it wasn't pretty...don't really know enough about it
i just don't see how you can be so opposed to wealth consolidation when you bank so much loot and are so proud of it...is their a limit that you think is too much for one to have and you are under that limit? how would you enforce it?
limiting ones ability to make loot seems unamerican.
like i've said before, it's hard for me to stomach your giving our money away...you have the disposable income to do so...but what about schmucks like me who don't...your generosity with my money would crush me and my limited aspirations
 
i just don't see a class war being very fun to be a part of...it would be the complete ruin of our country.
yeah maybe it worked out in france, but i'm sure it wasn't pretty...don't really know enough about it
i just don't see how you can be so opposed to wealth consolidation when you bank so much loot and are so proud of it...is their a limit that you think is too much for one to have and you are under that limit? how would you enforce it?
limiting ones ability to make loot seems unamerican.
like i've said before, it's hard for me to stomach your giving our money away...you have the disposable income to do so...but what about schmucks like me who don't...your generosity with my money would crush me and my limited aspirations



See your sig lol.
 
See your sig lol.

fug should i change it?
and i think i'm missing the relevance, please explain
interesting article btw...but maybe a touch too doomsday?
like the railroad/steel bros,they were running huge monoplies, their was no revloution...laws brought them back down to speed.
i see the same thing happening now...
 
see you can get low interest loans from the govt
woman owned and minority owned business loan
like free
 
and then you sit back and collect the money on this business you bought/started
like in the BTO song
 
somebody trow up some BTO lyrics and a youtube link
I'm going out
spending me capitalist profits
I'll pay you a handsome amount of karma
 
i just don't see a class war being very fun to be a part of...it would be the complete ruin of our country.
yeah maybe it worked out in france, but i'm sure it wasn't pretty...don't really know enough about it
i just don't see how you can be so opposed to wealth consolidation when you bank so much loot and are so proud of it...is their a limit that you think is too much for one to have and you are under that limit? how would you enforce it?
limiting ones ability to make loot seems unamerican.
like i've said before, it's hard for me to stomach your giving our money away...you have the disposable income to do so...but what about schmucks like me who don't...your generosity with my money would crush me and my limited aspirations
Had I been in the bourgeois class in Franch during the revolution, I'd have given up my life if it was a choice between that and maintaing the status quo with the ruling noble class. Sometimes making things better for all is painful for all in some way, I am hoping that since we're more civilized now that these sorts of upheavals will cause less pain for the everyday person.
 
Had I been in the bourgeois class in Franch during the revolution, I'd have given up my life if it was a choice between that and maintaing the status quo with the ruling noble class. Sometimes making things better for all is painful for all in some way, I am hoping that since we're more civilized now that these sorts of upheavals will cause less pain for the everyday person.

not sure how things went down in france, but had you been in russia in 1917-1930, you woulda been thrown in the gulag with the rest of your bourgeois cronies.
class wars aren't as sexy as the same, if you look a little closer, imo
 
not sure how things went down in france, but had you been in russia in 1917-1930, you woulda been thrown in the gulag with the rest of your bourgeois cronies.
class wars aren't as sexy as the same, if you look a little closer, imo
you are right, that is why our constitution in in place to protect indivudual right's, regardless of what opinions you hold. Other countries operate just like Russia did, look at Africa or China or any other nation without a democratic process.
 
fug should i change it?
and i think i'm missing the relevance, please explain
interesting article btw...but maybe a touch too doomsday?
like the railroad/steel bros,they were running huge monoplies, their was no revloution...laws brought them back down to speed.
i see the same thing happening now...

Laws have changed a lot since then. And there's a lot more at stake. We're much more global now (were we at all during the Carnegie era?) and have some stiff competition. Our dollar ain't getting any more valuable, and other currencies are looking pretty good to a lot of investors by comparison. Economically, we have to watch China. Politically, we have to keep an eye on Russia, Iran, etc. If there is a WWIII in our lifetimes it will be a very multi-faceted effort in terms of what we're fighting for.
 
you are right, that is why our constitution in in place to protect indivudual right's, regardless of what opinions you hold. Other countries operate just like Russia did, look at Africa or China or any other nation without a democratic process.

Our constitution is slowly being dismantled. It'll be interesting to see how many individual rights we have left in another decade or two.
 
Our constitution is slowly being dismantled. It'll be interesting to see how many individual rights we have left in another decade or two.
its frustrating I know. we spend countless time and effort to defend things like the right to own a gun, but we easily give up more fundamental and shared rights like PRIVACY (patriot act anyone?) Not a good trade if you ask me, but I care more about privacy than owning a gun, maybe its different for others.
 
its frustrating I know. we spend countless time and effort to defend things like the right to own a gun, but we easily give up more fundamental and shared rights like PRIVACY (patriot act anyone?) Not a good trade if you ask me, but I care more about privacy than owning a gun, maybe its different for others.

how can you be against sacrificing a bit of your privacy for the greater safety of our nation (patriot act) but in favor of sacrificing a bit of loot for the greater good of society?
???
how can you be so willing to support one sacrifice without the other?
 
LOL. Actually most of you won't remember it, because you'll be fucking dead. An interesting thought. What would/will you do? I know what it's like to fight for life, been there done that, not sure if I would stand up for the occasion again. It's a choice you have to make. I fought the fight, took a lot out of me. Sometimes it's easier to just lay down. Fuck it. A world full of greedy fucking jokers, no one fucking cares, everyone wants their big house and fancy car..........some "upper class" people could soon learn just how fragile they are.

On a more positive note.......I'm sure the state of mind during the Great Depression or even the Savings And Loan crisis was just as bad as now.

In reality........most of us will still be here 30 or 40 years from now rolling around on a hospital bed gasping our lasts breaths with tubes down our throats and up our asses wishing we had died when we were young.

You can't win. It's called mortal.

So go ahead......drink another beer or smoke another joint. It could be your last.
 
LOL. Actually most of you won't remember it, because you'll be fucking dead. An interesting thought. What would/will you do? I know what it's like to fight for life, been there done that, not sure if I would stand up for the occasion again. It's a choice you have to make. I fought the fight, took a lot out of me. Sometimes it's easier to just lay down. Fuck it. A world full of greedy fucking jokers, no one fucking cares, everyone wants their big house and fancy car..........some "upper class" people could soon learn just how fragile they are.

On a more positive note.......I'm sure the state of mind during the Great Depression or even the Savings And Loan crisis was just as bad as now.

In reality........most of us will still be here 30 or 40 years from now rolling around on a hospital bed gasping our lasts breaths with tubes down our throats and up our asses wishing we had died when we were young.

You can't win. It's called mortal.

So go ahead......drink another beer or smoke another joint. It could be your last.

That about sums up my outlook on things too

I still hat u
 
That about sums up my outlook on things too

I still hat u

LOL Ortiz. I don't hate anyone here, including you. So what if we argued. We all have opinions. If you're set in your ways and im set in mine.......then ill guess we'll clash. That doesn't mean im above setting aside differences and drinking a cold one and forgeting about it.

I love you man.

LOL.

I am so trashed right now.
 
how can you be against sacrificing a bit of your privacy for the greater safety of our nation (patriot act) but in favor of sacrificing a bit of loot for the greater good of society?
???
how can you be so willing to support one sacrifice without the other?
I believe that giving up the personal liberties, like privacy, as opposed to money, enables the government to gain more control and power over people. Imagine that the government could just take someone away at will, without any due process, keep them for years offshore (cuba) and not allow them representation? That doesn't sound like a country where people are safe from potential tyranny.

This is true for money as well, but I view taxes as money of the people to be used by the people. I don't think that people's personal info should be made for public use, or even private government use.
 
LOL. Actually most of you won't remember it, because you'll be fucking dead. An interesting thought. What would/will you do? I know what it's like to fight for life, been there done that, not sure if I would stand up for the occasion again. It's a choice you have to make. I fought the fight, took a lot out of me. Sometimes it's easier to just lay down. Fuck it. A world full of greedy fucking jokers, no one fucking cares, everyone wants their big house and fancy car..........some "upper class" people could soon learn just how fragile they are.

On a more positive note.......I'm sure the state of mind during the Great Depression or even the Savings And Loan crisis was just as bad as now.

In reality........most of us will still be here 30 or 40 years from now rolling around on a hospital bed gasping our lasts breaths with tubes down our throats and up our asses wishing we had died when we were young.

You can't win. It's called mortal.

So go ahead......drink another beer or smoke another joint. It could be your last.
great post bro!

I could die now though and I consider myself a life well lived, so I am not so concerned about it. I would like to have a clear conscience on my death bed and that is about it.
 
I believe that giving up the personal liberties, like privacy, as opposed to money, enables the government to gain more control and power over people. Imagine that the government could just take someone away at will, without any due process, keep them for years offshore (cuba) and not allow them representation? That doesn't sound like a country where people are safe from potential tyranny.

This is true for money as well, but I view taxes as money of the people to be used by the people. I don't think that people's personal info should be made for public use, or even private government use.

More so to be used by the government. We as people see a smaller return on investment than many think. A lot of those taxes help pay for things many people are against, and that impede the healthy development of a society.
 
Agreed, but that is a separate issue.

I am not saying we HAVE to raise taxes, I have a feeling we could use the money more effeciently. There are plenty of pork programs out there I don't support.

I always use myself as an example.

I would not have gone to the college that I did (a top ranked 4 year University) without a grant from the state of california (funded by taxes) and subsidized FEDERAL loans.

Now I have repaid whatever free money I received many times over. I have worked 10+ years, paid a ton of taxes, and helped contribute to the economy (or at least make share holders in my company some money).

When I support social programs, such as healthcare, housing, food, education, even child care... The intention isn't to just hand out free services to people so that they do not have to work as hard, or work for them at all. This is the idea that many people would lead you to believe. I think the government needs to keep people productive! This includes educated. We live in a very prosperous country, is it really that difficult to imagine ALL PUBLIC COLLEGES being free? Why not???
 
great post bro!

I could die now though and I consider myself a life well lived, so I am not so concerned about it. I would like to have a clear conscience on my death bed and that is about it.


You have NO idea how important a "clear conscience" is, esp. on your day of reckoning. Then again perhaps you do, since you brought it up. It's funny if you ever sit around and think about if you were really a good person or not.

And here im sitting here listening to my new high priced sterio blair out AC/DC's "Hell ain't a bad place to be". LOL.

Seriously though I admire your integrity and honesty.

2nd thoughts......obtaining a clear conscience is harder done than said.
 
Agreed, but that is a separate issue.

I am not saying we HAVE to raise taxes, I have a feeling we could use the money more effeciently. There are plenty of pork programs out there I don't support.

I always use myself as an example.

I would not have gone to the college that I did (a top ranked 4 year University) without a grant from the state of california (funded by taxes) and subsidized FEDERAL loans.

Now I have repaid whatever free money I received many times over. I have worked 10+ years, paid a ton of taxes, and helped contribute to the economy (or at least make share holders in my company some money).

When I support social programs, such as healthcare, housing, food, education, even child care... The intention isn't to just hand out free services to people so that they do not have to work as hard, or work for them at all. This is the idea that many people would lead you to believe. I think the government needs to keep people productive! This includes educated. We live in a very prosperous country, is it really that difficult to imagine ALL PUBLIC COLLEGES being free? Why not???

Everybody needs to be on the same page for this to work. Ambitious, yes. Realistic....we'll see.
 
You have NO idea how important a "clear conscience" is, esp. on your day of reckoning. Then again perhaps you do, since you brought it up. It's funny if you ever sit around and think about if you were really a good person or not.

And here im sitting here listening to my new high priced sterio blair out AC/DC's "Hell ain't a bad place to be". LOL.

Seriously though I admire your integrity and honesty.

2nd thoughts......obtaining a clear conscience is harder done than said.
I don't expect perfection out of anyone, let alone myself, but I strive to do right by people. To have good intentions.

This is my life philosophy - I want to be a positive influence and force in everyone's life that I touch and come in contact with.

I know I haven't always lived up to this standard, but it is truly what I strive for.
 
Everybody needs to be on the same page for this to work. Ambitious, yes. Realistic....we'll see.
I know that ideas and concepts don't always translate 1 for 1 when put into practice, but you have to start somewhere. I think that the closer we shoot for what is right, the closer the end result will be.
 
I don't expect perfection out of anyone, let alone myself, but I strive to do right by people. To have good intentions.

This is my life philosophy - I want to be a positive influence and force in everyone's life that I touch and come in contact with.

I know I haven't always lived up to this standard, but it is truly what I strive for.

Well then you're doing the best you can and that's all that can be expected. Congrats.
 
The poor will suffer.
 
I don't expect perfection out of anyone, let alone myself, but I strive to do right by people. To have good intentions.

This is my life philosophy - I want to be a positive influence and force in everyone's life that I touch and come in contact with.

I know I haven't always lived up to this standard, but it is truly what I strive for.


Stop saying shit like that. You'll make me feel bad for making fun of you on the internet.

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Kurzweill, the premier expert on predicting technological change and how it affects economy has predicted among other things that before 2030 China and India will surpass United States in economic status, due to technological superiority. Culture is changing so fast right now, even paradigms shifts are speeding up exponentially, time is speeding up, and it appears that even the nature of change is speeding up, all fueled by technology, we are all oblivious to this as we all take it for granted, but who 10 years ago would have thought we would all be so dependent on internet for expressing thought patterns and opinions, Kurzweill has stated that identity will become even more dependent on interenet culturally, who knows how much we will all change in next 10 years as technology continues to fuel our culture being more and more entrenched on online communication, consumption, and use... All I know is change is happening so fast right now to us all, and it just seems that it is very hard to notice due to so much going on. I dunno..
 
Kurzweill, the premier expert on predicting technological change and how it affects economy has predicted among other things that before 2030 China and India will surpass United States in economic status, due to technological superiority. Culture is changing so fast right now, even paradigms shifts are speeding up exponentially, time is speeding up, and it appears that even the nature of change is speeding up, all fueled by technology, we are all oblivious to this as we all take it for granted, but who 10 years ago would have thought we would all be so dependent on internet for expressing thought patterns and opinions, Kurzweill has stated that identity will become even more dependent on interenet culturally, who knows how much we will all change in next 10 years as technology continues to fuel our culture being more and more entrenched on online communication, consumption, and use... All I know is change is happening so fast right now to us all, and it just seems that it is very hard to notice due to so much going on. I dunno..
Really? I would argue that there isn't really a change and people are more simplistic then ever.
 
Really? I would argue that there isn't really a change and people are more simplistic then ever.
I see where U are coming from , I think we all are becoming more predictable and less open to change, or whatever, but I do think that we are more connected with each other socially, and more openminded to alternative lifestyles and that sort of thing, which is awesome, but we have much more content knowledge than people did say twenty years ago, knowledge as capacity or how to live our lives... I think that question is up for grabs... but yeah... I agree with you on one level.
 
Kurzweill, the premier expert on predicting technological change and how it affects economy has predicted among other things that before 2030 China and India will surpass United States in economic status, due to technological superiority. Culture is changing so fast right now, even paradigms shifts are speeding up exponentially, time is speeding up, and it appears that even the nature of change is speeding up, all fueled by technology, we are all oblivious to this as we all take it for granted, but who 10 years ago would have thought we would all be so dependent on internet for expressing thought patterns and opinions, Kurzweill has stated that identity will become even more dependent on interenet culturally, who knows how much we will all change in next 10 years as technology continues to fuel our culture being more and more entrenched on online communication, consumption, and use... All I know is change is happening so fast right now to us all, and it just seems that it is very hard to notice due to so much going on. I dunno..


man........I really dont wanna move to india or china......
 
Life will be tough for the afraid and unprepared.
 
HAHAHAHAHAHA ON A SERIOUS NOTE, IF YOU ARE NOT PREPARED FOR THIS YOU MUST DO IT NOW. sTOCK UP ON SHIT. qUIT WASTING FUEL, AND STORE IN A LOCATION AWAY FROM HOUSE BUT UNDER LOCK AND KEY AND IN EYE SITE. BUILD A DEVISE THAT WILL SHOCK THE SHIT OUTTA SOMEONE IF THEY TOUCH IT, AND PLACE NEAR YOU FREEZER. EITHER BUILD SERIOUS MUSCLE AND LEARN TO DEFEND YOURSELF, OR BUY A WEAPON OF CHOICE. MINE IS A DESERT EAGLE. nEVER LET WIFE OUTTA SITE, AND KEEP KIDS INDOORS, AND DON'T LET THEM GO TO THE WHOEVER'S HOUSE. sURROUND YOUR HOUSE WITH SANDBAGS. MAKE SURE YOUR HOUSE IS BASICALLY AIRTITE, AND INVEST IN A HEAVILY PRICED AIR FILTRATION SYSTEM.

fINALLY, BUY A FLUX CAPACITOR FOR YOUR FILTRATION SYSTEM, I SELL THEM AND I HAVE GREAT PRICES.
 
d00d. . .newsflash. . .it collapsed a long time ago. . .go back to the pre-60's era and look at our morals and values and way of life and then compare it to today. . .we're living in the aftermath of the collapse. . .
 
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