Morning cardio analyzed in context

[Fukkenshredded]

As this issue has been visited repeatedly on this board, I will keep my additional thoughts brief.

Assuming that the body is indeed designed for specific functions that are no longer needed in an era when hunting and gathering (in the strictest sense) are no longer required -- there is still the argument to be made as follows:

A predator cahses food when hungry. This assumes that a predator, when chasing food, is doing so on an empty stomach. This is generally comprised of short, explosive bursts of speed followed by one of two things: eating the kill or resuming the hunt.

Assuming the hunt was successful, the predator then feeds and the food is distributed in accordance with that animal's metabolism. But you will note that predators are, by their very nature, lean and fast and strong.

It has often been (correctly) stated that the body becomes its own function. This observation can be countered with silly examples of over - exertion or misapplied analogies, but in general it is a very good rule of thumb for bodybuilders to abide by.

So then we can immediately see the logic of the effectiveness of morning cardio on an empty stomach and eating protien immediately after lifting -- this exactly mimics the feeding actions of any given predator, and would logically result in maximizing any such genetic tendencies (however latent) human beings may have.

Wish I'd have thought of this when Nelson Montana was debating me a couple years ago in the summer....hehe.

FS

 

[al420]

great post - K to ya - I AM an predator

 

[BrettB1]

excellent post bro

 

[mewalrus]

Still like to see some science, there must be studies on this.

 

[wellbilt]

im still alitle skeptical but it does make sense
good post funk

 

[Prizz]

I don't see what you guys could be skeptical about..... In the AM your body is using Fat as its' energy source.... That stops when you consume food, so doing light to Moderate cardio at this time will result in burning body fat..... It's really that easy, what is the debate here?

rizz

 

[al420]

I don't see what you guys could be skeptical about..... In the AM your body is using Fat as its' energy source.... That stops when you consume food, so doing light to Moderate cardio at this time will result in burning body fat..... It's really that easy, what is the debate here?

rizz

Do you do this on lifting days? Leg day?

 

[WannaImpress]

A blast from the past! Good to see your still around Fukkenshredded, till this day I still do windsprints in the am on an empty stomach when needed to shed some fat/cut.

BTW, if anyone has ever seen FS pics, well they speak for themselves.

 

[Prizz]

Do you do this on lifting days? Leg day?

Oh NO, I think you misunderstood my post.... I don't lift weights on an empty stomach, just do AM cardio on an empty stomach....

rizz

 

[gautho]

I don't see what you guys could be skeptical about..... In the AM your body is using Fat as its' energy source.... That stops when you consume food, so doing light to Moderate cardio at this time will result in burning body fat..... It's really that easy, what is the debate here?

rizz

I agree 100%.

 

[wellbilt]

I don't see what you guys could be skeptical about..... In the AM your body is using Fat as its' energy source.... That stops when you consume food, so doing light to Moderate cardio at this time will result in burning body fat..... It's really that easy, what is the debate here?

rizz

i am still skeptical because i have not seen any studies done on this
how do we no that in the morning where not in a catabolic state which would mean muscle would break down and adding cardio to the mix would make it worse
i have read that you actually burn more fat taking aminos before cardio \
i have tried this with good results
i am goin to try this morning cardio on an empty stomach thing soon so ill see how it goes

 

[nuevo laredo]

This is generally comprised of short, explosive bursts of speed followed by one of two things: eating the kill or resuming the hunt.

Excellent post and great food for thought. I doubt that human, as a predator, is designed to succeed in catching prey through bursts of speed. It seems like any shows I've seen about human hunters involve tracking an animal for a long period of time until it is either
1) worn out
2) close enough to throw a spear or shoot an arrow at

For short distances four-legged animals are much faster than us but over long distances (days of pressing the chase) humans can eventually run down some animals.

 

[newbiebynature]

im not an animal...im an american...

 

[Tweakle]

The trouble with the predator/carnivore analogy is it can be used for a lot of things, i.e. the warrior diet. But I agree that the functions of the body and what we do with it in are completely different, good points.

 

[INNOCENT]

great post fs

 

[Prizz]

i am still skeptical because i have not seen any studies done on this
how do we no that in the morning where not in a catabolic state which would mean muscle would break down and adding cardio to the mix would make it worse
i have read that you actually burn more fat taking aminos before cardio \
i have tried this with good results
i am goin to try this morning cardio on an empty stomach thing soon so ill see how it goes

Ahhhh I see what youre saying bro..... Well, if youre Ectomorphic, or a hard gainer I can see why you'd be concerned..... If youre not, and have a decent amount of BF to lose, then I'd say go for it..... As long as youre doing a light to moderate intensity exercise, you won't burn muscle in the AM..... I reccomend walking for BB's..... It's light intensity, easy on the joints, and you can go for 45mins easy, and burn a decent amount of fat without burning muscle..... If you are getting up, and sprinting for 45mins on an empty stomach, then I'd say that's prob catabolic..... I've seen alot of studies on how AM cardio is more effective, I just don't know where to look them up.... Need a good study search engine I guess.....

rizz

 

[wellbilt]

sounds good prizz
i am goin to try it very soon

 

[heavy_duty]

I wonder what difference in body fat % or pounds lost would be over 12-14 weeks of cutting.

say- a.m. cardio on an empty stomach versus after-noon cardio 2 hours after lunch?

I mean, just HOW much better is this a.m cardio???

1%
2%
or is it WAY WAY better than PM cardio???

or what about PM cardio on an empty stomach???

 

[mlong23]

good post. Don't have to copy all of the bodybuilders routines, but it is important to note that most top pro's agree that they cardio 1st thing in the morning. There most be a reason + it is sure as hell working for them.

 

[Ulter]

What's up bro. Good see you out on the boards again. People been asking about you recently. It's cool you showed up. Take care.

 

[maccer]

awesome post, been back doing windsprints for last 6 weeks, seem to be getting somewhere!! thanks FS

 

[MadManiac13]

I like it. It makes sense to me.

 

[Fukkenshredded]

Ulter --

I got bogged down in all the legal issues resulting from my business partners ripping me and Isabella off for every dime we had, setting us back two years.

That has been the central reason that I have not been able to pursue my fitness goals with any consistency. I haven't wanted to tell sob stories on the board so I just stayed away for a bit...I want to keep my language here on point with regard to fitness and steroid use, rather than rambling about personal issues that are irrelevant.

BTW, I tried your oxycalm product. I will say that I noticed one thing: increased sex drive. I can't honestly say that it relaxed me or impacted my state of mind to any significant degree, but this must be considered in the context of my internal reference points as a recreational drug user. In other words, the oxy that impacts me noticably is oxycodone, and it is impossible for me to really assert that Oxycalm had any physiological effects that meet the criteria of a drug.

That being said, the increased sex drive alone is worth the price of admission for me, and I want to thank you for allowing me to test the product. I will be including that in my next order from your store, which should occur sometime this month.

As for the original thread starter -- someone mentioned the possibility of burning muscle if cardio is performed whilst in a catabolic state. I did find a study that showed that humans actually preserve muscle if high intensity exercise is pursued while in such a state. This occurs via a mechanism designed to prioritize muscle preservation over fat preservation during and after high intensity exercise, suggesting that the body is choosing to use the stored fat for what it must consider to be an emergency. This would make sense, as fat provides six times the energy per calorie than does muscle. I will look for the study and post it if I find it, but if a platinum member does a thorough search for the thread about morning cardio about three years ago midsummer, it can be found therein along with some very entertaining rhetoric from both sides of the camp.

FS

 

[OMEGA]

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It has often been (correctly) stated that the body becomes its own function. T

the nail on the head right there

 

[OMEGA]

I was at my best ever when I ate one meal a day and did cardio twice a day

imposed on me beacuase of football in the dead of summer for 2 months

I am weak though bigger then i was relative to those days
I would gladly do it again if I was on a team

 

[heavy_duty]

most bro's here are very afraid of only one meal a day, they love to eat and feel if they don't eat and eat and eat that they'll lose all muscle. BUT I'm getting a bit off topic and wish to stay with this "AM Cardio" idea. I still want to know HOW much better it really is.

For me right now I am cutting and I do the cardio 6 days a week but I do it when I CAN. My gym IS open 24 hours and if need be, I could change my whole life to do this "AM Cardio". Because I take care of my kids in the morning I would have to get up at 4 or 5 to go do the cardio or run etc... then I would have to go to bed much earlier than I do now. So now I'm up at 8:00am and go to bed at midnight and do the cardio at 9:00am, 4:00pm or even 8:00pm and never on a totally empty stomach.

You can see why I want to know HOW MUCH better it is if I'm gonna change my entire day.

I need more than "The Pro's Do It". I'm not a pro fuck I'm not even a BB.

Besides some pro's also "Play gay for pay" and I don't do that either LOL.

 

[wwebound4life]

Wouldn't it be better to drink around 10-15grams of Whey with 0 carbs before A.M. Cardio to preserve muscle and still burn fat?? Seems to me an EMPTY stomach would be catabolic.........










TRAIN, EAT, LIVE LIKE A ANIMAL!!

 

[darwinmcduck]

excellent post.

 

[OMEGA]

most bro's here are very afraid of only one meal a day

I did it out of need

when you do football double days you will vomit up any food consumed since practices are THAT intense

we got by through the day with a bit of gatorade and lots of water

at night was the only time we could eat and not have it come back up...........

after those summers I learned alot about what I human can do if needed

 

[toxicsambo]

As for the original thread starter -- someone mentioned the possibility of burning muscle if cardio is performed whilst in a catabolic state. I did find a study that showed that humans actually preserve muscle if high intensity exercise is pursued while in such a state. This occurs via a mechanism designed to prioritize muscle preservation over fat preservation during and after high intensity exercise, suggesting that the body is choosing to use the stored fat for what it must consider to be an emergency. This would make sense, as fat provides six times the energy per calorie than does muscle. I will look for the study and post it if I find it, but if a platinum member does a thorough search for the thread about morning cardio about three years ago midsummer, it can be found therein along with some very entertaining rhetoric from both sides of the camp.

FS

To back up fukknshreddeds post, when you eat ANYTHING, including PROTEIN ONLY, you get an insulin spike. Which means you get a GLUCOSE UPTAKE transported to your MUSCLE cells. INSULIN PREVENTS THE FAT BURNING PROCESS.

If you want to prevent CATABOLISM, you DONT eat before you work out, you EAT PROTEIN IMMEDIATLEY AFTER a workout. Whey Isolate is great for this becasue of the quick absorbtion. For the growth and recovery process, eat protein afterwards because insulin promotes protein synthesis. It's strategic and specific. Lifting AND/OR Cardio in the A.M or 3 hours of an empty stomach is PROVEN time and time again to be the MOST EFFICIENT FAT BURNING process, that's how you do it. And If you want lean muscle, ingest protein immediatley after.

p.s- Fukkenshredded, good to hear youre healthy and back bro. Now I'm just waiting for more pics of you doing a chick with a toy in the 69 position. lmao.

 

[MorganKane]

I think your logic is flawed on this one.
While I agree with doing cardio on an empty stomach we has humans does not hunt in the morning on an empty stomach and has not for a while.
We have for a very long time now been gathers and not hunters and hunters does not necessary hunt first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. They plan it out a bit more since there are no quarantee to be successful so it often takes place a day or two before they run out of food.

Like someone said, we are not animals that just follow what our bodies says. We (most of us) start using our brains a long time ago.

Because a lion can lick its own balls does not mean that I can - I am not a lion but I am hung like a horse

 

[heavy_duty]

Damn
Sounds like you're saying I should set my friggin alarm for 05:00hrs

I'm going to try this "AM Cardio" shit and let yall know wazup.

So when do you eat breakfast? 3 hours after finish cardio???
by that time I'll be hungry enough to eat the arse out of a dead skunk.

To back up fukknshreddeds post, when you eat ANYTHING, including PROTEIN ONLY, you get an insulin spike. Which means you get a GLUCOSE UPTAKE transported to your MUSCLE cells. INSULIN PREVENTS THE FAT BURNING PROCESS.

If you want to prevent CATABOLISM, you DONT eat before you work out, you EAT PROTEIN IMMEDIATLEY AFTER a workout. Whey Isolate is great for this becasue of the quick absorbtion. For the growth and recovery process, eat protein afterwards because insulin promotes protein synthesis. It's strategic and specific. Lifting AND/OR Cardio in the A.M or 3 hours of an empty stomach is PROVEN time and time again to be the MOST EFFICIENT FAT BURNING process, that's how you do it. And If you want lean muscle, ingest protein immediatley after.

p.s- Fukkenshredded, good to hear youre healthy and back bro. Now I'm just waiting for more pics of you doing a chick with a toy in the 69 position. lmao.

 

[Ulter]

Ulter --

I got bogged down in all the legal issues resulting from my business partners ripping me and Isabella off for every dime we had, setting us back two years.

That has been the central reason that I have not been able to pursue my fitness goals with any consistency. I haven't wanted to tell sob stories on the board so I just stayed away for a bit...I want to keep my language here on point with regard to fitness and steroid use, rather than rambling about personal issues that are irrelevant.

BTW, I tried your oxycalm product. I will say that I noticed one thing: increased sex drive. I can't honestly say that it relaxed me or impacted my state of mind to any significant degree, but this must be considered in the context of my internal reference points as a recreational drug user. In other words, the oxy that impacts me noticably is oxycodone, and it is impossible for me to really assert that Oxycalm had any physiological effects that meet the criteria of a drug.

That being said, the increased sex drive alone is worth the price of admission for me, and I want to thank you for allowing me to test the product. I will be including that in my next order from your store, which should occur sometime this month.


FS

Cool, thanks for the update. Both on your life and the product results. Call an old buddy more often.

 

[rykertest]

Because a lion can lick its own balls does not mean that I can - I am not a lion but I am hung like a horse [/QUOTE]




you obviously are not stretching after you lift.

 

[toxicsambo]

Damn
Sounds like you're saying I should set my friggin alarm for 05:00hrs

I'm going to try this "AM Cardio" shit and let yall know wazup.

So when do you eat breakfast? 3 hours after finish cardio???
by that time I'll be hungry enough to eat the arse out of a dead skunk.

No, If you want to PREVENT CATABOLISM, eat right after the workout. If you want the fat burning process to continue, wait 45 min-hour.

 

[The_Chemist]

The fat burning effects of empty-stomach AM cardio are irrefutable(sp).

There is about 1000 studies that agree with me.

 

[Ulter]

I just felt I should point out to those who may be new to the board that the person who posted this thread earned his name by doing the morning cardio he is suggesting... and looking like this.

 

[scorpiogirl]

I agree 100%, FNS! Many things still thrive thru "primitive" living - even though we don't realize it. Someone said we aren't animals....uh, sorry - we ARE - we just have a larger brain....in some cases! lol

 

[heavy_duty]

That's all I had to see to be conviced!!!
I'm starting tomorrow. (going to bed now)

I just felt I should point out to those who may be new to the board that the person who posted this thread earned his name by doing the morning cardio he is suggesting... and looking like this.

 

[Kick-Ass Stack]

I've been doing this for a while now. It's kicking ass. I did a t3/clen stack at the end of my cycle and then continued doing cardio like crazy on my 2 weeks off clen. I took it relatively easy (read 3x a week) while on clen and the off weeks I just hit it harder.

Now I'm going 5x a week of 30mins of AM cardio. I then drive back to my apt and shower and get ready for school. I'd say a good 45-1hr after I step off the treadmill/elliptical I eat some oatmeal and take some whey protein. It's working GREAT! I feel so energized as compared to days I would just roll my lazy ass outta bed and goto school.

Oh yah, I'm down 17lbs so far. Some is probably water retention from my cycle but I'd say atleast 10lbs was fat. It's worth it.

Oh yeah, there's lots of good lookin' ladies at the gym in the morning

 

[The_Chemist]

bump

 

[georgie24]

research mode ON!

gonna start cutting it up soon

 

[dougmug]

I believe the best method for obtaining the fastest results are to do a.m. cardio on an empty stomach. However the cardio I do to achieve this is the following:
stretch 5 min
sprint 30-45 secs, walk(cool down) for 1 min., repeat 5-7Xs.
total cardio approx. 15-25 min. Sometimes I may walk for an additional 10-15 min to keep the lactic acid down.
I also believe in staggering the amount of times per week I do this. This keeps the body from getting used to it and shocks it in a sense.
I do this 1X-4Xs a week max with great results.
D

 

[Ulter]

Fukkenshredded is not of this world though. Taking the weights into the sauna to train? Doing 5 mile farmer's walks with 80's? He's a good friend but very few people can keep up with what he can do. But then very few people look like that.

 

[caustin]

So by this brand of thinking EVEN during bulking I could;

1.Mon,Wed,Thurs,Fri Eat as soon as I wake and go lift and,

2.Tues and Sat cardio for 1 hr after waking

and keep fat down on a high calorie diet?

 

[georgie24]

Fukkenshredded is not of this world though. Taking the weights into the sauna to train? Doing 5 mile farmer's walks with 80's? He's a good friend but very few people can keep up with what he can do. But then very few people look like that.

yep i nearky hurt myself trying to train like him, i tried it natty at that...the whole gig lasted a wopping 2 weeks lol...

i will try again tho but goosed up on test/primo/var

 

[youngguns]

fact of the matter is, pro bbers do morning cardio as soon as they step out of bed. Fact of the matter is, they finish the day off with pm cardio. Ronnie does am on an empty stomach, if it's that catabolic, show me some proof, for now, I'm going on results.

 

[georgie24]

good bump

always good to debate techniques with one another

FS is MIA at the moment