More than 6 eggs a week can increase chance of death?

[lacoste]

Chapter 6: The Law of Calorie Balance: The Mathematics of Losing Body Fat..page 107 so Im sure you can just reference your copy. And Im so glad you said that you have that book too. Why dont you look at his competition diets and tell me how many of them include 6 whole eggs. But Im sure you read that too. But what do I know, or tom venuto for that matter. Your the expert.

 

[gjohnson5]

I'm sure if you read that fully , I bet it tells you that the caloric balance is between what you eat and your energy or exercise levels.

Chapter 6: The Law of Calorie Balance: The Mathematics of Losing Body Fat..page 107 so Im sure you can just reference your copy. And Im so glad you said that you have that book too. Why dont you look at his competition diets and tell me how many of them include 6 whole eggs. But Im sure you read that too. But what do I know, or tom venuto for that matter. Your the expert.

 

[lacoste]

Right on. And he recommends a combination of activity level and cutting cals by 500 or 15-20%. My TDEE at 185, with a moderate activity level (which is exercise 3-5 days a week, Im at 5) is 2844.
Men: BMR = 66 + (13.7 X wt in kg) + (5 X ht in cm) - (6.8 X age in years)
Then time 1.5 for activity level.
"Calorie deficit thresholds: How low is too low?
It’s a fact that cutting calories too severely slows down the metabolic rate and
causes the loss of lean body mass, so that leaves us with the question, “How low can you
go without negative effects?
There definitely seems to be a certain cutoff or threshold point where further
reductions will begin causing problems. The most common guideline for fat loss is to
reduce your calories by at least 500, but not more than 1000 below your maintenance"
This is straight from his book.
level.

 

[lacoste]

Its obvious at this point that we're just going around in circles. I agree with you that activity levels play a huge part. If I was training for a marathon and racking up huge miles everyday then I would definetly up my calorie intake. When I was in basic training I probably could of eaten 5000 a day and still lost because my activity level was so high. And no I wouldnt be sweating cals so much. But all I can do right now is 5 days a week and hour a day in the gym. So this is what works for me, and my activity level.

 

[gjohnson5]

Let's assume Tom venuto is the god of dieting...

No were not going in circles. I gets back to the original question.
Can you eat 6 eggs a day and lose fat?

The answer a day is obviously yes

can you eat 3500 calories a day and lose fat?
The answer is also yes


Not to mention that eggs contain basically no simply sugars so most all of the calories in eggs require energy during digestion to process. Having said this, 30% of the engery in protein is "consumed" by the digestion process. I'm not exactly sure about fats but it's not that high. So even if one eats 3500 calories, The amount of energy that food provides will not be 3500 Kcal unless you eat 3500 calories of food which requires no energy to process. There's no such thing as far as I know , but a simple sugar has got to be damn close. Anyway, you still need to look at what macro nutrients that 3500 calories breaks down to in order to maximize available energy for workouts (or minimize it for fat loss) and dietary needs. Did you know some foods require more energy to process then calories they provide? This is sometimes called negative calories. Anyway, This gets back to the second question I asked you which was how's your diet like? If you continue to read that ebook , you'll also read what food he suggests for fat loss. Tom Venuto says milk (which contains tons of a disaccharide called lactose) is good for fat loss even though many other pros ignore it for contest preparation. My point is that you can even use sugars for fat loss, much less eggs. How you came to the conclusion that one cannot lose fat eating 6 eggs a day is beyond me...

Any other points you wish to argue?

Its obvious at this point that we're just going around in circles. I agree with you that activity levels play a huge part. If I was training for a marathon and racking up huge miles everyday then I would definetly up my calorie intake. When I was in basic training I probably could of eaten 5000 a day and still lost because my activity level was so high. And no I wouldnt be sweating cals so much. But all I can do right now is 5 days a week and hour a day in the gym. So this is what works for me, and my activity level.

 

[keasbey]

on a side note buying 12 eggs is cheaper at wallyworld then buying 18 or 24 or even 48... wtf? since when is not buying in bulk a benifit?

 

[gjohnson5]

Hopefully I didn't say that anywhere.
Buying larger quantities of food say Sam's sizes is generally more cost effective , but the problem is do you eat the food fast enough for it not to spoil? In most peoples cases, the answer is no and they end up throwing away money (hence the smaller purchases)

on a side note buying 12 eggs is cheaper at wallyworld then buying 18 or 24 or even 48... wtf? since when is not buying in bulk a benifit?

 

[lacoste]

Can you loose fat eating 3500 cals a day. Sure but it depends on your weight, height, bodyfat, activity level. But you saying that anyone can is absurd. What if I weigh 125 lbs are you going to suggest that I eat 3500 cals a day. Can you eat 6 eggs a day and still loose fat, YES. You can eat almost anything if you fit it into your daily cals. Are you arguing that its not cals in vs. cals out. Do some foods actually require more energy to be digested, absolutely, but enough to say that you can eat 700 cals over maintenance and still loose. Where are you getting that number from for a 185 lb guy of 3500 cals. Are you just pulling that out of the air. So where should I be while bulking 5000-6000. You were saying that you would eat 3500 for maintenance earlier in the post and you are 220, why would I eat 3500 To loose fat, your not even making any sense.

 

[lacoste]

The original question has never been can you eat 6 eggs a day and still loose fat. It has been how many cals I should be eating, not you, not anyone, ME. You make these general statements but Im talking about me, at 185. If your saying that me, at 185 should be eating 3500 cals while trying to loose fat you are dead wrong. In my first post all I said was I replace whole eggs for egg whites while dieting to keep my cals where I want them to be. Thats all.

 

[gjohnson5]

An individual (ANY Individual) is not limited to eating x calories around maintenance to lose weight/fat. If caloric balance is between energy consumed and energy expended, how is it that is limited in calories consumed to lose weight/fat. It's more then just cals in and cals out. You neet to factor in metabolic rate as well.

It's a theoretical argument and nothing specific about you (well since you've never posted your diet or exercise like I asked) But I know guys who eat 5000 calories at your weight and inject testosterone and STILL don't gain weight. You're making a newbie assumptions like

1. Everyone burns energy at the exact same rate
2. Everyone exercises the same duration and intensity
3. Maintenance Calorie formulas are perfect


Maintenance calorie formulas are not laws. The forumla will not tell you how YOUR body burns energy. The idea that losing fat is all about eating at a certain level regardless of metabolic rate or activity is the only thing that doesn't make sense in this discussion. But arguing a point while ignoring 1/2 the issue makes even less sense. But you're not a newbie at this....

Anything else?

Can you loose fat eating 3500 cals a day. Sure but it depends on your weight, height, bodyfat, activity level. But you saying that anyone can is absurd. What if I weigh 125 lbs are you going to suggest that I eat 3500 cals a day. Can you eat 6 eggs a day and still loose fat, YES. You can eat almost anything if you fit it into your daily cals. Are you arguing that its not cals in vs. cals out. Do some foods actually require more energy to be digested, absolutely, but enough to say that you can eat 700 cals over maintenance and still loose. Where are you getting that number from for a 185 lb guy of 3500 cals. Are you just pulling that out of the air. So where should I be while bulking 5000-6000. You were saying that you would eat 3500 for maintenance earlier in the post and you are 220, why would I eat 3500 To loose fat, your not even making any sense.