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More than 6 eggs a week can increase chance of death?
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sweet i love reading these articles.. i just hope they drop the prices of eggs so i can buy mine for less.. people have been living on eggs since the beggining of time no point stopping now.. i want them to do a study on lifters and bb who eat lean and consume eggs and let them tell us how long we have.. i bet the people they poll eat more fast food then they do eggs.
deathdroprob
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Every egg omlete I make usually has 6 whole eggs, and some cheese for taste, and lately Ive been adding shredded ham/bacon.
Lovely. I know everyone thought eggs were bad but receetly Ive heard form everyone adn everywhere that they lower colestrol and other shit.
Lovely. I know everyone thought eggs were bad but receetly Ive heard form everyone adn everywhere that they lower colestrol and other shit.
gjohnson5
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I thought I responded to this...
Anyway the study didn't even take into account the ones who only eat egg whites. Also cholesterol orally has little effect on serum cholesterol. Basically they did not indicate in the study what causes death, what nutrient deficiency or excess may be the association or even if the people that did die had pre-existing issues.
Until more science comes out I would ignore that study
I wouldn't even concern myself too much with the calories too much either. The 6 grams of fat amounts to some 48 calories...
Not much to count there. The 24 calories from the 6 grams of protein you lose 30% of those calories of that from digestion anyway
Anyway the study didn't even take into account the ones who only eat egg whites. Also cholesterol orally has little effect on serum cholesterol. Basically they did not indicate in the study what causes death, what nutrient deficiency or excess may be the association or even if the people that did die had pre-existing issues.
Until more science comes out I would ignore that study
I wouldn't even concern myself too much with the calories too much either. The 6 grams of fat amounts to some 48 calories...
Not much to count there. The 24 calories from the 6 grams of protein you lose 30% of those calories of that from digestion anyway
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lacoste
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I understand what you are saying, Im just saying that while dieting I can't afford to eat six whole eggs, that would be 420 cals, then 150 cals from my 1 cup of oats, now we are at 570 cals give or take. This is just too many calories for ME while dieting in one meal. This is the only reason why I cut out the yolks while dieting. If I did this at every meal I would be right around 3500 cals eating like this each of my six meals.
Tatyana
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The issue with these sorts of studies is that there are no 'cookie cutter diets'.
One diet does not suit all.
Some people are fine on high saturated fat diets, we know this from studies of the Innuit people (and a few other indigenous groups).
There is also this thing called the 'French paradox'. They eat a lot of rich creamy foods, saturated fat and have a lower incidence of heart disease than in the US.
There is also the 'American paradox'. People are eating less and less fat, but the incidence of obesity, type II diabetes and heart disease are increasing.
When the Danish government decided to push for a low fat diet, as they used to eat a lot of full fat milk and cheese, guess what, 'American paradox' happened and people started to get fat.
If you are concerned about your cholesterol levels, and you are not in a high risk group, then experiment on yourself.
1. Get some blood work done
2. Eat a high fat (with animal fat diet) diet for three-six months
3. Get blood work done
There are some 'metabolic' profiling sites and books that are trying to help people in determining what type of diet is more suited to them.
One diet does not suit all.
Some people are fine on high saturated fat diets, we know this from studies of the Innuit people (and a few other indigenous groups).
There is also this thing called the 'French paradox'. They eat a lot of rich creamy foods, saturated fat and have a lower incidence of heart disease than in the US.
There is also the 'American paradox'. People are eating less and less fat, but the incidence of obesity, type II diabetes and heart disease are increasing.
When the Danish government decided to push for a low fat diet, as they used to eat a lot of full fat milk and cheese, guess what, 'American paradox' happened and people started to get fat.
If you are concerned about your cholesterol levels, and you are not in a high risk group, then experiment on yourself.
1. Get some blood work done
2. Eat a high fat (with animal fat diet) diet for three-six months
3. Get blood work done
There are some 'metabolic' profiling sites and books that are trying to help people in determining what type of diet is more suited to them.
partagus
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I had a yearly check up at my DOC'S office back in November of 2007. I had dropped 35 pounds from the last time I was in his office. We starte dtalking about diet and exercise and I asked him about eating eggs.
My doc told me as long as I kept exercising, and watched my fat intake, I could eat as many eggs as I wanted and my cholesteral would be fine. I was eating 3 whole eggs and 3 egg whites at the time, every day, seven days a week.
My cholesterol and blood pressure were perfectly fine! It's all about staying active.
My doc told me as long as I kept exercising, and watched my fat intake, I could eat as many eggs as I wanted and my cholesteral would be fine. I was eating 3 whole eggs and 3 egg whites at the time, every day, seven days a week.
My cholesterol and blood pressure were perfectly fine! It's all about staying active.
lacoste
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So do you think that 3500 cals is a good number when you are weighing 185 and trying to cut. I think its a good number when trying to bulk at that weight but not cut. Thats all Im saying. I love eggs, I eat whole eggs everyday. I've never had a problem with cholesterol because I stay active. But when I CUT I drop my cals lower and I often replace some whole eggs with egg whites to keep my cals where I want them. If Im trying to eat 2200-2500 cals I cant eat 600 cals a meal. Thats all Im saying. I dont know maybe Im completely wrong. But from what I've seen here every person while dieting swithes to whites while dieting.gjohnson5 said:
gjohnson5
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It's very doable dude, especially someone with who's easily 220 like myself and into military style pt. (5mile run 4:00am + 300 rep sets multiple times a day) Infact 3500 is about where I would start if doing this type split. Going less could mean lost muscle
Sounds like you need to increase your activity level....
Are you sub 10% bodyfat?
A guy worried about eating 3500 calories a day should be pretty cut.
Sounds like you need to increase your activity level....
Are you sub 10% bodyfat?
A guy worried about eating 3500 calories a day should be pretty cut.
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lacoste
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Right bro but your 220lbs, thats almost a 40 pound difference. You are a big dude. Im only 185, my maintenance is around 2800-2900 cals a day. If Im trying to loose fat, which is what Im trying to do I should be around 2300 cals. This is a pretty standard calorie restriction. Maybe you are not reading that IM not talking about you, Im talking about me and there is a big difference in our wieght, and activity level, because no I dont run 5 miles a day. Anyone else want to interject in on this. Maybe Im completely wrong, but for my weight and at a moderate activity level I think Im right on the money. I got these numbers using the The Harris-Benedict formula. But If Im way off, I want to know because my goal is FAT LOSS. not bulk.
gjohnson5
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In other words you went to one of these half assed BMR calculators sites like this http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/ and they spit out a number
Since this is the diet board , what does your diet look like?
Since this is the diet board , what does your diet look like?
lacoste said:
lacoste
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No this is straight from the pages of Burn the fat feed the muscle, which is a pretty solid source,I wouldn't call it half assed. And not that it matters but I actually did the math myself. This is also close to the numbers I got from pintoca's calculator so I guess you are calling that half assed too. I dont know why you want to know what my diet looks like. Im having great results. Been loosing a 1.5-2lbs a week, and strength is staying up.But im always open to learning more. We just obviously disagree with how many cals I should be eating. Look man you've got like 11,000 posts, and a shitload of karma you obviously know what you are talking about. Im not trying to get into a pissing match with you. We can agree to disagree on this. Im not some noob. I understand diet, I've researched im not just pulling some numbers out of my ass, there is math and science behind it. And it works. Im sorry but i think your way off saying a 185lb guy should be eating 3500 cals a day while trying to loose bodyfat.
gjohnson5
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Don't worry about it bro. I have a copy of that Ebook as well but I don't remember a BMR calculator in it but if you say so... I sure you did the calculation yourself as well.
But anyway a diet board is here for us to look at peoples diets. Trust me 6 eggs a day ain't nothin and neither is the calories if your expend them.
But anyway a diet board is here for us to look at peoples diets. Trust me 6 eggs a day ain't nothin and neither is the calories if your expend them.
lacoste said:
lacoste
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Chapter 6: The Law of Calorie Balance: The Mathematics of Losing Body Fat..page 107 so Im sure you can just reference your copy. And Im so glad you said that you have that book too. Why dont you look at his competition diets and tell me how many of them include 6 whole eggs. But Im sure you read that too. But what do I know, or tom venuto for that matter. Your the expert.
lacoste
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Right on. And he recommends a combination of activity level and cutting cals by 500 or 15-20%. My TDEE at 185, with a moderate activity level (which is exercise 3-5 days a week, Im at 5) is 2844.
Men: BMR = 66 + (13.7 X wt in kg) + (5 X ht in cm) - (6.8 X age in years)
Then time 1.5 for activity level.
"Calorie deficit thresholds: How low is too low?
It’s a fact that cutting calories too severely slows down the metabolic rate and
causes the loss of lean body mass, so that leaves us with the question, “How low can you
go without negative effects?
There definitely seems to be a certain cutoff or threshold point where further
reductions will begin causing problems. The most common guideline for fat loss is to
reduce your calories by at least 500, but not more than 1000 below your maintenance"
This is straight from his book.
level.
Men: BMR = 66 + (13.7 X wt in kg) + (5 X ht in cm) - (6.8 X age in years)
Then time 1.5 for activity level.
"Calorie deficit thresholds: How low is too low?
It’s a fact that cutting calories too severely slows down the metabolic rate and
causes the loss of lean body mass, so that leaves us with the question, “How low can you
go without negative effects?
There definitely seems to be a certain cutoff or threshold point where further
reductions will begin causing problems. The most common guideline for fat loss is to
reduce your calories by at least 500, but not more than 1000 below your maintenance"
This is straight from his book.
level.
lacoste
New member
Its obvious at this point that we're just going around in circles. I agree with you that activity levels play a huge part. If I was training for a marathon and racking up huge miles everyday then I would definetly up my calorie intake. When I was in basic training I probably could of eaten 5000 a day and still lost because my activity level was so high. And no I wouldnt be sweating cals so much. But all I can do right now is 5 days a week and hour a day in the gym. So this is what works for me, and my activity level.
gjohnson5
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Let's assume Tom venuto is the god of dieting... 
No were not going in circles. I gets back to the original question.
Can you eat 6 eggs a day and lose fat?
The answer a day is obviously yes
can you eat 3500 calories a day and lose fat?
The answer is also yes
Not to mention that eggs contain basically no simply sugars so most all of the calories in eggs require energy during digestion to process. Having said this, 30% of the engery in protein is "consumed" by the digestion process. I'm not exactly sure about fats but it's not that high. So even if one eats 3500 calories, The amount of energy that food provides will not be 3500 Kcal unless you eat 3500 calories of food which requires no energy to process. There's no such thing as far as I know , but a simple sugar has got to be damn close. Anyway, you still need to look at what macro nutrients that 3500 calories breaks down to in order to maximize available energy for workouts (or minimize it for fat loss) and dietary needs. Did you know some foods require more energy to process then calories they provide? This is sometimes called negative calories. Anyway, This gets back to the second question I asked you which was how's your diet like? If you continue to read that ebook , you'll also read what food he suggests for fat loss. Tom Venuto says milk (which contains tons of a disaccharide called lactose) is good for fat loss even though many other pros ignore it for contest preparation. My point is that you can even use sugars for fat loss, much less eggs. How you came to the conclusion that one cannot lose fat eating 6 eggs a day is beyond me...
Any other points you wish to argue?
No were not going in circles. I gets back to the original question.
Can you eat 6 eggs a day and lose fat?
The answer a day is obviously yes
can you eat 3500 calories a day and lose fat?
The answer is also yes
Not to mention that eggs contain basically no simply sugars so most all of the calories in eggs require energy during digestion to process. Having said this, 30% of the engery in protein is "consumed" by the digestion process. I'm not exactly sure about fats but it's not that high. So even if one eats 3500 calories, The amount of energy that food provides will not be 3500 Kcal unless you eat 3500 calories of food which requires no energy to process. There's no such thing as far as I know , but a simple sugar has got to be damn close. Anyway, you still need to look at what macro nutrients that 3500 calories breaks down to in order to maximize available energy for workouts (or minimize it for fat loss) and dietary needs. Did you know some foods require more energy to process then calories they provide? This is sometimes called negative calories. Anyway, This gets back to the second question I asked you which was how's your diet like? If you continue to read that ebook , you'll also read what food he suggests for fat loss. Tom Venuto says milk (which contains tons of a disaccharide called lactose) is good for fat loss even though many other pros ignore it for contest preparation. My point is that you can even use sugars for fat loss, much less eggs. How you came to the conclusion that one cannot lose fat eating 6 eggs a day is beyond me...
Any other points you wish to argue?
lacoste said:
gjohnson5
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Hopefully I didn't say that anywhere.
Buying larger quantities of food say Sam's sizes is generally more cost effective , but the problem is do you eat the food fast enough for it not to spoil? In most peoples cases, the answer is no and they end up throwing away money (hence the smaller purchases)
Buying larger quantities of food say Sam's sizes is generally more cost effective , but the problem is do you eat the food fast enough for it not to spoil? In most peoples cases, the answer is no and they end up throwing away money (hence the smaller purchases)
keasbey said:
lacoste
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Can you loose fat eating 3500 cals a day. Sure but it depends on your weight, height, bodyfat, activity level. But you saying that anyone can is absurd. What if I weigh 125 lbs are you going to suggest that I eat 3500 cals a day. Can you eat 6 eggs a day and still loose fat, YES. You can eat almost anything if you fit it into your daily cals. Are you arguing that its not cals in vs. cals out. Do some foods actually require more energy to be digested, absolutely, but enough to say that you can eat 700 cals over maintenance and still loose. Where are you getting that number from for a 185 lb guy of 3500 cals. Are you just pulling that out of the air. So where should I be while bulking 5000-6000. You were saying that you would eat 3500 for maintenance earlier in the post and you are 220, why would I eat 3500 To loose fat, your not even making any sense.
lacoste
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The original question has never been can you eat 6 eggs a day and still loose fat. It has been how many cals I should be eating, not you, not anyone, ME. You make these general statements but Im talking about me, at 185. If your saying that me, at 185 should be eating 3500 cals while trying to loose fat you are dead wrong. In my first post all I said was I replace whole eggs for egg whites while dieting to keep my cals where I want them to be. Thats all.
gjohnson5
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An individual (ANY Individual) is not limited to eating x calories around maintenance to lose weight/fat. If caloric balance is between energy consumed and energy expended, how is it that is limited in calories consumed to lose weight/fat. It's more then just cals in and cals out. You neet to factor in metabolic rate as well.
It's a theoretical argument and nothing specific about you (well since you've never posted your diet or exercise like I asked) But I know guys who eat 5000 calories at your weight and inject testosterone and STILL don't gain weight. You're making a newbie assumptions like
1. Everyone burns energy at the exact same rate
2. Everyone exercises the same duration and intensity
3. Maintenance Calorie formulas are perfect
Maintenance calorie formulas are not laws. The forumla will not tell you how YOUR body burns energy. The idea that losing fat is all about eating at a certain level regardless of metabolic rate or activity is the only thing that doesn't make sense in this discussion. But arguing a point while ignoring 1/2 the issue makes even less sense. But you're not a newbie at this....
Anything else?
It's a theoretical argument and nothing specific about you (well since you've never posted your diet or exercise like I asked) But I know guys who eat 5000 calories at your weight and inject testosterone and STILL don't gain weight. You're making a newbie assumptions like
1. Everyone burns energy at the exact same rate
2. Everyone exercises the same duration and intensity
3. Maintenance Calorie formulas are perfect
Maintenance calorie formulas are not laws. The forumla will not tell you how YOUR body burns energy. The idea that losing fat is all about eating at a certain level regardless of metabolic rate or activity is the only thing that doesn't make sense in this discussion. But arguing a point while ignoring 1/2 the issue makes even less sense. But you're not a newbie at this....
Anything else?
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gjohnson5
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LOL
Dude , I could care less about what you can or cant eat because YOU'VE never posted a diet or exercise plan. Probably because you don't have one either written down or even thought about it. This is why I can't stand getting into these charades with newbies. The question has NEVER been about YOU because YOU have never posted the information requested.
Dude , I could care less about what you can or cant eat because YOU'VE never posted a diet or exercise plan. Probably because you don't have one either written down or even thought about it. This is why I can't stand getting into these charades with newbies. The question has NEVER been about YOU because YOU have never posted the information requested.
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