more expensive cycle w/ less sides. thoughts?

[hoogish_feet]

was reading that this is a good cycle, with less side, and natural test is not supressed as much. Note that the cycle does NOT contain test. The only question is how good it would be for a beginner

Weeks 1-8-10 primo 400mg per week (injectable)
Weeks 1-8 ananvar 40-50mg ED

the anavar is expensive though.........about $90/week....but that's not really my central concern

 

[DieselGunz]

Well it is Anavar for the record.

But anyways that is a good first cycle you will gain quality muscle with little sides. Just make sure your diet is on point and you will be fine.


i am not an expert, so take it for what its worth.


But damn that is ALOT of money!

 

[pentatonic]

Nobody can really give you legitimate answer unless they know what your wanting to get out of the cyle. Cutting? Mass? Stats?

 

[gymratforlife]

For lean gains is a very nice cycle.But I would not expect to pack on some weight from it.It will definetly harden you up while cutting or put on a couple good quality pounds of lbm but thats about all to be expected.Also yes it is a very side effect mild cycle.

 

[ElMatador]

How old are you??
both of drugs are very mild,so with little side effects

 

[hoogish_feet]

thanks guys

my other option is the more classic first cycle, which is Test-E, Deca, and Dbol....my goal is to put on more mass so i don't know if the cycle i listed abv is the best

so i take 500mg test e/week and 200mg deca/week through week 10, 25mgdbol/day through week5-6, nolva 30-40mg/day through weeks 12-16

the idea is i don't want to inject too much, so test-e looks like a better idea. i've heard u can mix the test-e with the deca in your shots. But the question is would it be best to take here the deca/test-e once per week or twice per week?

 

[satchboogie]

up the primo to 600mg a week, and the var to 50mg a day and you got something solid.

 

[Singleton]

I'm not super experienced with cycling, but if it were my cycle, I'd add 200mg of test.

 

[gymratforlife]

thanks guys

my other option is the more classic first cycle, which is Test-E, Deca, and Dbol....my goal is to put on more mass so i don't know if the cycle i listed abv is the best

so i take 500mg test e/week and 200mg deca/week through week 10, 25mgdbol/day through week5-6, nolva 30-40mg/day through weeks 12-16

the idea is i don't want to inject too much, so test-e looks like a better idea. i've heard u can mix the test-e with the deca in your shots. But the question is would it be best to take here the deca/test-e once per week or twice per week?

To bulk on and healthier for your wallet id say go with what you have here for the results you need.TestE is fine up the dbol to 30mg and the deca to around 300-400mg per week and your good to go should gain nicely on that.

 

[Bruce]

your nuts for a first cycle. u want to run one compound it its test deca or dbol. test can give estrogen gyno and deca progesterone gyno. u won't know which it is. then you have dbol as well. this is your first do test e alone for 12 weeks or do your primo and var. do not do a hard stack first time.

 

[bicepts101]

I'm not super experienced with cycling, but if it were my cycle, I'd add 200mg of test.

this is a good idea...test is needed IMO

 

[bicepts101]

your nuts for a first cycle. u want to run one compound it its test deca or dbol. test can give estrogen gyno and deca progesterone gyno. u won't know which it is. then you have dbol as well. this is your first do test e alone for 12 weeks or do your primo and var. do not do a hard stack first time.

why cant he do two compounds for a first cycle?...cause thats what everyone says to do?...

check it out bro look at his cycle both of those compound aromatise at VERY slow rates if even at all and neither are derived from progesterone. in fact, this cycle is a great example of why u can use more than one compound on a first cycle. others would be test winny----primo, winny----test, anavar----you get the point. if the only reason we are "supposed" to use one compound for a first cycle is to decipher whether side effects are coming from estrogen or progesterone then why not stay on one side of the fence? im not saying 3 or 4 but i see no problem with 2 esppecially those 2. i hate that shit, think for your self man

 

[Bruce]

why cant he do two compounds for a first cycle?...cause thats what everyone says to do?...

check it out bro look at his cycle both of those compound aromatise at VERY slow rates if even at all and neither are derived from progesterone. in fact, this cycle is a great example of why u can use more than one compound on a first cycle. others would be test winny----primo, winny----test, anavar----you get the point. if the only reason we are "supposed" to use one compound for a first cycle is to decipher whether side effects are coming from estrogen or progesterone then why not stay on one side of the fence? im not saying 3 or 4 but i see no problem with 2 esppecially those 2. i hate that shit, think for your self man

heres my opinion, your first cycle can be whatever you want, if you want to stack fine, but don't do some stack someone told u about, do it like sweed who researched his cycle down to the last t and there will be no problem. i still say deca test and dbol is too much for a person who was originally gonna do primo and var and it is too much for a first cycle, test deca would be ok, but why not gain 20 lbs of one type of gear, its all u need

 

[bicepts101]

heres my opinion, your first cycle can be whatever you want, if you want to stack fine, but don't do some stack someone told u about, do it like sweed who researched his cycle down to the last t and there will be no problem. i still say deca test and dbol is too much for a person who was originally gonna do primo and var and it is too much for a first cycle, test deca would be ok, but why not gain 20 lbs of one type of gear, its all u need

lol ok bro i agree with one part of your statement and that is test deca dbol is too much.

you comepletly contradict yourself on one part in there. on your other post you said you want to do one compound so you can figure out where sides are coming from i.e. estrogen, progesterone, then u say test deca is a good first cycle....whatever thats not the point here....bottom line primo and anavar are very safe first cycle....me id advise primo, test 400mg each..but thats me.

....and not everyone is going to gain 20 lbs from one cycle nor one compound. it doesnt happen to everyone bro so again speak for yourself

 

[Bruce]

lol ok bro i agree with one part of your statement and that is test deca dbol is too much.

you comepletly contradict yourself on one part in there. on your other post you said you want to do one compound so you can figure out where sides are coming from i.e. estrogen, progesterone, then u say test deca is a good first cycle....whatever thats not the point here....bottom line primo and anavar are very safe first cycle....me id advise primo, test 400mg each..but thats me.

....and not everyone is going to gain 20 lbs from one cycle nor one compound. it doesnt happen to everyone bro so again speak for yourself

i am really not lookin to argue with you your a good bro. firstly a hundred percent agree with you test primo would be excellent. however my point was that a heavy stack first time is bad, a stack of mild gear with no sides isn't gonna be a problem while not as effective as test with somethin else

 

[hoogish_feet]

To bulk on and healthier for your wallet id say go with what you have here for the results you need.TestE is fine up the dbol to 30mg and the deca to around 300-400mg per week and your good to go should gain nicely on that.

thanks. variations of this cycle seem to be popular for people's first cycles.

i've read that that the second cycle i listed is good for mass gains, even for newbies to steroids...but the reason i had the deca realtively low is because i was reading that for a first cycle, you want to keep the deca at the low end relatively speaking. i see you think more is better here, but i've read for a first cycle to keep it to 200-300mg /week...i still need to look into this a little bit more.

also i had the dbol a bit low because i was reading the more you take, the more toxic it is to the liver even though it is only for the first several weeks. i mean i could always start with less and possibly bump it up 5mg or so.

(although i'm new to using gear,i'm not new to bodybuilding- today i dealifted 360x6 reps...)

 

[hoogish_feet]

last question

anyone have experience using N-Acetyl Cysteine when on a cycle? i was just reading how it can help the liver when you are on a cycle from getting damaged. Unfortunately on this site i've never heard of one person using it

 

[gymratforlife]

heh this is your first cycle?

 

[hoogish_feet]

heh this is your first cycle?

yes, everyone starts somewhere

i have a great base to build on and i know i could really blow up on it. i'm still planning the details...

 

[Excidium28]

Powder var

 

[mish12345]

hi its my first time ever to use steroids - im 18. i have some dianabol, and clomid to go along with it? i start on 15mg a day and end up on 40mg ad day in the 8th week. will i be ok on this or is it too much? much chances of gettin bad acne? thanks

 

[pentatonic]

hi its my first time ever to use steroids - im 18. i have some dianabol, and clomid to go along with it? i start on 15mg a day and end up on 40mg ad day in the 8th week. will i be ok on this or is it too much? much chances of gettin bad acne? thanks

Back up and punt. Don't do this at 18. Yes chances are very good at getting bad acne if you are succeptable to it. 8 weeks is long too, it's pretty harsh on your liver. Are you planning on using Clomid if gyno arises and then again post cycle? Gyno is probably a lot more likely than acne and Clomid is not your best bet for it, may help some but I sure wouldn't want to depend on it.

 

[gymratforlife]

Back up and punt. Don't do this at 18. Yes chances are very good at getting bad acne if you are succeptable to it. 8 weeks is long too, it's pretty harsh on your liver. Are you planning on using Clomid if gyno arises and then again post cycle? Gyno is probably a lot more likely than acne and Clomid is not your best bet for it, may help some but I sure wouldn't want to depend on it.

Lift naturally for another 2-3 years minimum and eat everything in sight meanwhile doing all research you can to learn about this stuff then in 2-3 years if you still wnat to do them you will be bigger and more educated on the subject.Also should give you plenty of time to save some cash.

 

[mish12345]

Back up and punt. Don't do this at 18. Yes chances are very good at getting bad acne if you are succeptable to it. 8 weeks is long too, it's pretty harsh on your liver. Are you planning on using Clomid if gyno arises and then again post cycle? Gyno is probably a lot more likely than acne and Clomid is not your best bet for it, may help some but I sure wouldn't want to depend on it.

what is gyno? so how long do u think i should take the dbol for? go up from 15mg a day and only do it for six weeks instead?

 

[shape]

up the primo to 600mg a week, and the var to 50mg a day and you got something solid.

how long can u stay on var at 50mg a day- been on it for 10 weeks about to come off but wanted to start running 80mgs primo and keep running var for another 8-10-is that nuts or???

 

[pentatonic]

what is gyno? so how long do u think i should take the dbol for? go up from 15mg a day and only do it for six weeks instead?

I don't think you should be taking dbol at all, especially at 18. I definately don't think you should take anything until you do some research. Gyno is short for gynecomastia. Google it. There are many other sides besides gyno and "bad acne" as you mentioned previously, read up on them.

 

[mish12345]

I don't think you should be taking dbol at all, especially at 18. I definately don't think you should take anything until you do some research. Gyno is short for gynecomastia. Google it. There are many other sides besides gyno and "bad acne" as you mentioned previously, read up on them.

even keeping it low for six weeks and not going over 20-30mg/day? the clomid is noly taken twice a week. thanks for the advice by the way

 

[alltraps]

what is gyno? so how long do u think i should take the dbol for? go up from 15mg a day and only do it for six weeks instead?

look at SHAPE's avatar, thats gyno, you want that?