Millions can't find family doctor (Ah, The Joys of socialized medicine)

[juiceddreadlocks]

1. nobody says we have to adopt Canada's system.

2. Do you think Canadians want our system? The wealthy blow money on stuff they don't need while the poor get no help whatsoever, AND it costs almost 2x as much to do it.

bor.

i think they're equating your argument with canada being the end all to healthcare.

i think youre equating everyone else's argument with the us being the anal orifice of healthcare

 

[Lao Tzu]

p0ink, your article is a 'couldbe' article, saying what could happen. WHy not ask people who live in countries with socialized medicine what they think instead of relying on an article written by the Cato institute?

Secondly, the US already pays much much more for healthcare than any other country. Both on a per capita basis and in real dollar terms. Claiming we will 'pay more' is pointless, we already pay much more for healthcare (per person) than every single developed country with socialized medicine does. Every single one of them.

 

[Lao Tzu]

bor.

i think they're equating your argument with canada being the end all to healthcare.

i think youre equating everyone else's argument with the us being the anal orifice of healthcare

We aren't the anal orifice. According to a study cited in 'health care meltdown' the US is actually 54th, not 192nd in regards to 'healthcare fairness'.

I didnt say Canada's system was the greatest. I would support a 2-tier system like Australias myself.

 

[p0ink]

p0ink, your article is a 'couldbe' article, saying what could happen. WHy not ask people who live in countries with socialized medicine what they think instead of relying on an article written by the Cato institute?

Secondly, the US already pays much much more for healthcare than any other country. Both on a per capita basis and in real dollar terms.

and what % of the 15% of our GDP being spent on health care is being spent by the government compared to canada?

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

We aren't the anal orifice. According to a study cited in 'health care meltdown' the US is actually 54th, not 192nd in regards to 'healthcare fairness'.

I didnt say Canada's system was the greatest. I would support a 2-tier system like Australias myself.

well just have to agree to disagree. my mom pays tremendous amoutns of money for our healthcare and im happy to have it. i see a lot of people who get 'free' healthcare like medicare and medicaid at my job, and all they do is bitch. subsidized healthcare sucks, IMO

 

[Lao Tzu]

would you rather have the freedom to choose your own provider based on your needs/wants and save more of your money from your paycheck, or would you rather get taxed into oblivion and have to go to a government run office when you need medical help?

do you want the same clowns we have running the DMV and IRS running our hospitals?

We are already taxed into oblivion. Medicaid, medicare and federal healthcare programs cost $550 billion a year.

http://www.aahp.org/links/mcmc2003/MM03_Medicaid_speakers.html

the day-to-day operations of Medicare, Medicaid, Child Health Insurance Programs, Survey and Certification of health care facilities and other federal health care initiatives. These programs account for about $550 billion dollars in annual expenditures, or one-third of the health care spending in the United States.

The US has a 10 trillion GDP, so 550 billion is 5.5% GDP.

http://www.smith-nephew.com/sustainability2003/health_background.html

According to this (in 1997) Australia spent 8.3% of GDP for all its healthcare (i like australias system myself). Japan spent 7.3%. the UK spent 6.7%

So governments in countries like Japan have universal healthcare for all for the same price that the US government give healthcare to about 1/3 of the population. And somehow you still support a system that allows these things to happen and i can't figure it out. Why don't you just flush your money down the toilet, its quicker that way.

 

[p0ink]

i will support socialized medicine if they allow those who don't want to participate in it to opt out and keep their money. let all of those who want to be part of the 'free' health care system pay into it, and those of us who don't won't.

then i will sit back and laugh my ass off when the entire program goes up in flames, since every loser in america will become a part of it expecting theirs, so they can get their free methadone, viagra, sex changes, etc. we could use it as just another example of how and why liberalism does not work and never will.

 

[Lao Tzu]

i will support socialized medicine if they allow those who don't want to participate in it to opt out and keep their money. let all of those who want to be part of the 'free' health care system pay into it, and those of us who don't won't.

then i will sit back and laugh my ass off when the entire program goes up in flames, since every loser in america will become a part of it expecting theirs, so they can get their free methadone, viagra, sex changes, etc. we could use it as just another example of how and why liberalism does not work and never will.

I am all but certain almost all socialized countries let you opt out. I know australia does.

 

[p0ink]

We are already taxed into oblivion. Medicaid, medicare and federal healthcare programs cost $550 billion a year.
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and what do you think 'free' health care will do? lower taxes? LOL!

 

[Lao Tzu]

and what % of the 15% of our GDP being spent on health care is being spent by the government compared to canada?

5.5% is spent by government. In canada i think its 9%.