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Microsoft: Apple's Post-PC View Is Wrong

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Apple has it wrong, claims Microsoft. It's a PC Plus era, not a Post-PC era.
12:00 PM - July 13, 2012 by Kevin Parrish - source: The Verge

Microsoft's Chief Operating Officer Kevin Turner said during the company's Worldwide Partner Conference on Wednesday that Apple's "post-PC" view of the current computing industry climate is wrong.

Of course, the two companies also have different approaches to computer operating systems. Like Google, Apple thinks each form factor should have its own operating system, yet they should also all share common functions and features. Microsoft sees a world where one OS rules all devices no matter the form factor.

"Apple makes great hardware," Turner admitted. "The reality is, in the OS, we see things differently. They've talked about it being the post-PC era, they talk about the tablet and PC being different. The reality in our world is that we think that's completely incorrect."

Instead of "post-PC," Microsoft has dubbed the era as "PC+," or PC Plus. As previously stated, Microsoft sees other devices outside the PC scope as an extension of the desktop, thus only one OS is needed. The x86-based version of Surface is a good example: a tablet sporting a full version of Windows 8 Pro.

"We actually believe Windows 8 is the new era for the PC Plus," Turner said. "We believe with a single push of a button you can move seamlessly in and out of both worlds. We believe you can have touch, a pen, a mouse, and a keyboard."

He went on to show a slide featuring a quote from former Apple CEO Steve Jobs and the current CEO Tim Cook. Jobs said "the post-PC era has begun" whereas Cook was quoted saying "in my view, the tablet and the PC are very different."

"The re-imagined Windows is a game changer," Turner admitted. Indeed, Microsoft is looking to create an ecosystem of products using the best-of-both-worlds approach with the launch on Windows 8, as PC users can switch from the touchy Metro interface to a more standard desktop mode.

Just recently Apple's Tim Cook indicated that Microsoft's PC convergence is a poorly conceived idea. He said during the company's second quarter conference call that "you can converge a toaster and a refrigerator, but you know, those things are probably not going to be pleasing to the user."

Cook also said that OS X and iOS borrow certain aspects from each other, but they remain two separate platforms due to the unique hardware features of the desktop, the tablet and the smartphone.


Microsoft: Apple's Post-PC View Is Wrong

I tend to agree. I like the philosophy of one OS running everything. That is the ultimate user-friendly environment, regardless of a few bumps in the road along the way, it's great knowing there's always a road to wherever you want to go, or just waiting to be built if there isn't already. And you don't have to switch cars to get there.
 
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Yeah - because everyone wants to boot up their OS on all devices. Lol at Microsoft lecturing anyone on the wrong view. Name me one product they got right without copying someone else.
 
Go into any apple store. It's wall to wall people.

Now go into any Microsoft store (which is pretty much an exact copy of an apple store) and you will find like 6 people in there, 5 of them work there.
 
Apple products are niche.
Dumb-ass people line up every 6 months for the same product with minor changes.
Apple owns 8% of the market share for OS.

Hey, I went to the pet store today it was full. That makes it the best.

Almost ALL Microsoft products are ordered via Mail, or digitally.
 
Apple products are niche.
Dumb-ass people line up every 6 months for the same product with minor changes.
Apple owns 8% of the market share for OS.

Hey, I went to the pet store today it was full. That makes it the best.

Almost ALL Microsoft products are ordered via Mail, or digitally.

Was there a pet store located directly across from it that was empty?
 
Exxon Mobil - Fortune 500 - XOM

The vast majority of the world's GDP is produced using Windows PC's. Everything from some kid developing a killer new piece of software in his room right up to somewhere on the list above.

Can Apple support that type of business ecosystem? So far they still seem more niche and trend-based. Very much focused on the personal market, which makes it very limited for growth potential.

For example, one of near-infinite start-up scenarios for a Windows PC user-

A CS student plays this-
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then gets inspired to do this themselves-


then gets a group of CS students together to make something on their own with this-
Crytek | MyCryENGINE

then get recognized and funded to start up their own company and perhaps do something like this-



And this is only one of hundreds of industries where a creative cycle like that is possible on Windows PCs.
 
Apple products are niche.
Dumb-ass people line up every 6 months for the same product with minor changes.
Apple owns 8% of the market share for OS.

Hey, I went to the pet store today it was full. That makes it the best.

Almost ALL Microsoft products are ordered via Mail, or digitally.


Makes sense, because they don't require you to buy a whole new piece of hardware every time a new version of something is released. Ironic considering Apple products are supposed to be more practical.
 
Makes sense, because they don't require you to buy a whole new piece of hardware every time a new version of something is released. Ironic considering Apple products are supposed to be more practical.
Indeed.

But Apple has the "apple store" and shit. That makes it best. Duh

Dont get me wrong. I love my I pod. But By no means is Apple the best of the best of everything/anything.

Lol, Someone tried to tell me SIRI was amazing today. Fucking thing couldn't decipher shit. It was fucking hilarious.
 
Indeed.

But Apple has the "apple store" and shit. That makes it best. Duh

Dont get me wrong. I love my I pod. But By no means is Apple the best of the best of everything/anything.

Lol, Someone tried to tell me SIRI was amazing today. Fucking thing couldn't decipher shit. It was fucking hilarious.

No - Apple makes the most money on their products that makes them the largest company in the world. That makes them the best.

Have we come up with one good product that Microsoft created?
 
Majority of Apple products are overpowered for what the user even needs. If they can get that person to buy it, hey, I'm not gonna complain, that's capitalism.

I'm not going to over pay for something I can't upgrade or customize in the future. Why drop $2,000 now when I can upgrade as I see fit?
 
No - Apple makes the most money on their products that makes them the largest company in the world. That makes them the best.

Have we come up with one good product that Microsoft created?
Toshiba, Acer, and that one chinese company all have better reliability.... Windows based.

Profit does not equal quality
 
WTF was that? A history of Microsoft Internet?? Once again late to the browser game. Used their monopoly to destroy competition of a product they copied from Netscape.
So Success = Quality?

Apple Sues Samsung
Apple sues samsung x 2
Apple sues samsung x 3
Apple sues samsung x 4
Apple sues Kodak
Apple sues Palm
Apple sues HTC
ect.

Using $ and power to crush the competition not cool now?
 
So Success = Quality?

Apple Sues Samsung
Apple sues samsung x 2
Apple sues samsung x 3
Apple sues samsung x 4
Apple sues Kodak
Apple sues Palm
Apple sues HTC
ect.

Using $ and power to crush the competition not cool now?

Oh ok - so they shouldn't sue because Samsung came up with all these great smat phone features on their own. Hmmm .. Let's go back and see what Samsung and HTC phones were like before the iPhone. Operating software as well.
 
No - Apple makes the most money on their products that makes them the largest company in the world. That makes them the best.

Have we come up with one good product that Microsoft created?


Sounds like your mind is already made up that they haven't. The more important point though is, Microsoft makes products that run the vast majority of good products in the world. Like I said, they are far more influential in expanding our economy than any of their niche-by-contrast competitors.
 
Toshiba, Acer, and that one chinese company all have better reliability.... Windows based.

Profit does not equal quality


There are a lot better Windows-based brands than those. Best litmus test is newegg.
 
Apple products are niche.
Dumb-ass people line up every 6 months for the same product with minor changes.
Apple owns 8% of the market share for OS.

Apple hardware is consumer hostile. Soldered-in batteries, non-removeable hard drives, they're a service nightmare.

Sure is pretty though.

Outside their small niche of "creative" users in graphics and music, Apple has about 0% penetration where people do actual real drudge office work on computers.

On the other hand, I think Windows 8 would be a massive failure in the office. Unless they come out with a desktop-centric UI, the office will stay on Windows 7.
 
Apple hardware is consumer hostile. Soldered-in batteries, non-removeable hard drives, they're a service nightmare.

Sure is pretty though.

Outside their small niche of "creative" users in graphics and music, Apple has about 0% penetration where people do actual real drudge office work on computers.

On the other hand, I think Windows 8 would be a massive failure in the office. Unless they come out with a desktop-centric UI, the office will stay on Windows 7.
Perhaps, but I don't link that to any quality type statement. Windows has been entrenched in the Office environment for along time. Computers are on 3 years leases. I don't expect anyone to just throw out their midleased computer to put in a Mac -- no matter how good or bad it is.

However, BYOD might be a better indication. From the few companies that I've seen, they seem to be doing better in that arena.
 
Sounds like your mind is already made up that they haven't. The more important point though is, Microsoft makes products that run the vast majority of good products in the world. Like I said, they are far more influential in expanding our economy than any of their niche-by-contrast competitors.
Why do you think this?

The Microsoft vision of the tablet is taking off because of Apple. Chrome and FF show growing market adoption rates.

What has M$ influenced in recent years? I tend to feel that they've been playing catch up in a few areas.
 
laptops.
Does that take into account of sheer numbers? Or is that percentages?

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No worries. I was having a little fun. One of your links said that Apple was the best.

Personally, I think that it's somewhat subjective.
 
No worries. I was having a little fun. One of your links said that Apple was the best.

Personally, I think that it's somewhat subjective.
I hope none of my links said Apple was best.

It is subjective.

would I buy an IPad? Prolly not.

Am I going to buy a new IPod. Prolly.

Are Mac/Macbooks really nice? Defiantly.

Im just not going to sit around and Fanboy for apple like a puppy.

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No - Apple makes the most money on their products that makes them the largest company in the world. That makes them the best.

Have we come up with one good product that Microsoft created?

No, it just means people are willing to pay for a brand name.

Apple has had some epic fails...

1. Lisa
2. Mac Portable
3. Pippin
4. 20th anniversary MAC
5. Hockey puck mouse
6. Newton
7. Quick take
8. Eworld
9. G4 Cube
10. ROKR

Apple is a software/hardware/multimedia corporation with a great marketing arm; They rely on the fact they will eventually produce an overpriced product consumers will embrace. Comparing them to a software company based on profits is comparing apples to oranges. MS owns the operating system market because I can pay 1k for a top of the line wintel machine and run all the software I use natively as opposed to paying twice as much for a system I need to install an emulator to run 90% of the software I use daily.
 
I hope none of my links said Apple was best.

It is subjective.

would I buy an IPad? Prolly not.

Am I going to buy a new IPod. Prolly.

Are Mac/Macbooks really nice? Defiantly.

Im just not going to sit around and Fanboy for apple like a puppy.

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The problem is when any sort of positive praise for one team or snother gets a person called a fan boy (as a derogatory term). In turn, this gets people's backs up and has then to respond negatively. I like my Macs and my Acers (but I hate my Lenovo). I like my IPhone (because my son can FaceTime me) and I like the GNote because I can watch movies on it.

If you find that you don't like it, that's too bad. Clearly, my use cases aren't the same as yours.
 
Why do you think this?

The Microsoft vision of the tablet is taking off because of Apple. Chrome and FF show growing market adoption rates.

What has M$ influenced in recent years? I tend to feel that they've been playing catch up in a few areas.


They have been. Here's an interesting article on GUI history between Apple and MS. Granted it's only up until Vista and doesn't mention how much an improvement Win 7 was as far as efficiency and stability, but the stuff way back when is a good history lesson.

It seems a lot of people think Ballmer is kinda crapping all over Gate's philosophy on how to run a successful company.
 
When did Newegg become a brand?
Dont they just piece together computers like any person could?


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I meant that consumers who shop on Newegg generally know what's best, and the consumer reviews reflect that.
 
Apple will never penetrate the corporate desktop and they already tried and failed the server market with the xServer. The only macs at our company (web hosting) are the developer laptops. The Unix guys love them because now they have a computer that runs Linux software and they can still play games plus all the laptop hardware actually works, unlike Linux.

I'm a Windows Systems Admin; my home pc is Linux but my next laptop might be Apple for the same reasons our devs choose them.
 
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They have been. Here's an interesting article on GUI history between Apple and MS. Granted it's only up until Vista and doesn't mention how much an improvement Win 7 was as far as efficiency and stability, but the stuff way back when is a good history lesson.

It seems a lot of people think Ballmer is kinda crapping all over Gate's philosophy on how to run a successful company.
This further re-enforces my belief that the "geeks" may start an idea (ie Linux, GUI, tablets, etc), but the designers / marketers will bring it to the masses.
 
This further re-enforces my belief that the "geeks" may start an idea (ie Linux, GUI, tablets, etc), but the designers / marketers will bring it to the masses.



Kinda the other way around though, considering how many things Apple technically tried "first" (OS, GUI, Office, etc.) and Microsoft somewhere applied its "innovate, assimilate, copy and redesign" philosophy to, then thanks to their "economies of scale" business model rampantly gained marketshare.
 
Kinda the other way around though, considering how many things Apple technically tried "first" (OS, GUI, Office, etc.) and Microsoft somewhere applied its "innovate, assimilate, copy and redesign" philosophy to, then thanks to their "economies of scale" business model rampantly gained marketshare.
When I think of a GUI OS, I think of XWindows and Linux first before I think of Apple.
 
No - Apple makes the most money on their products that makes them the largest company in the world. That makes them the best.

Have we come up with one good product that Microsoft created?

I love windows 7....aside from the cooling issues the xbox is an awesome console. Only reason they had those issues though is because someone at microsoft had the brilliant idea that the new console had to be as small as possible despite being slated for a triple core processor. Nobody had an issue with the size of the first xbox hence why it didn't have those issues. I never had one but from everything i heard the zune wasn't a bad mp3 player, it just had the unfortunate task of competing with the ipod which had a near decade head start
 
Kinda the other way around though, considering how many things Apple technically tried "first" (OS, GUI, Office, etc.) and Microsoft somewhere applied its "innovate, assimilate, copy and redesign" philosophy to, then thanks to their "economies of scale" business model rampantly gained marketshare.

Microsoft had the entire touchscreen motif, the way you swipe and zoom things with your fingers, back in 2000 with the first tabletop "Surface". Long before Apple borrowed it for the iPhone.
 
I love windows 7....aside from the cooling issues the xbox is an awesome console. Only reason they had those issues though is because someone at microsoft had the brilliant idea that the new console had to be as small as possible despite being slated for a triple core processor. Nobody had an issue with the size of the first xbox hence why it didn't have those issues. I never had one but from everything i heard the zune wasn't a bad mp3 player, it just had the unfortunate task of competing with the ipod which had a near decade head start


The original Xbox was a far more respectable console than the 360, and the reason for the cooling issues is because they rushed it to market knowing full well that units were failing left and right on the line. Their goal was to gain marketshare, which they accomplished, thanks in large part to that marketing kool-aid and XBL. They convinced millions of people that it's worth paying an extra fee to do things they get for free everywhere else.

The original Xbox had a standard HDD, so why the hell didn't the 360. They disguised different sku's as a "choice", but really it just meant spending more money on what people were always going to end up getting anyways. $100 HDD add on here, $100 Wifi adaptor there, then whadaya know, let's make them buy a whole new console if they want HDMI. The only way the 360 could've been labeled a "decent" console at best is if they came out with the Slim model innards at launch. Although it still has that obnoxious power brick laying around.

It's a profit deal. As far as their Xbox division goes Microsoft's bottom line is all that matters, unless the shit hits the fan and they have to own up to it (RRoD billion $ warranty).

I'll be really happy when Ballmer steps down.
 
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