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strangebrew
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sk* said:
yup, same here bro, max-ot is probably where I got my best gains...then I swtiched to 5x5, then DC, then WSB which didnt last long because of an injury. I'm back on it right now and lovin it...wish I had never stoped. I love the short workouts, and only doing 1 or 2 bodyparts at a time...my longest workout is 45 minutes, the rest I can get done in 30 usually. It helps me up the intensity every time I train, which gets me some great strength gains.
AgainstAllOdds said:
Here are the concepts:
1. Each workout should last approximately 30 to 40 minutes.
2. Train only 1 or 2 muscle groups per workout/day.
3. Do 6 to 9 total heavy sets per muscle group.
4. Do 4 to 6 reps per set.
5. Rest 2 to 3 minutes between sets. (STR)
6. Train each muscle group once every 5 to 7 days. (ITR)
7. Take a 1 week break from training every 8 to 10 weeks.
-sk
strangebrew
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sk* said:
Yea, it's amazing. After reading all the theory of working out on this site, my whole last year went to waste. Well, not complete waste, but I know I could have done better with Max-OT.
I just gain on it (both muscle and strength), period.
-sk
yeah same for me.. I plan on sticking with it for a long time...ive wasted too much time switching routines..even when I cut on it I still gain strength.
AgainstAllOdds
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What makes Max OT...max ot?
I've heard a little about it, all I remember is low reps, heavy weight.
I've heard a little about it, all I remember is low reps, heavy weight.
strangebrew
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I think max-ot should be included in the training sticky's
Debaser said:
Beat me to it
I will say that you're likely to profit from it more than, say, standard magazine routines. Simply because of the lower volume. There are some pretty strange workouts, for example why would you use tricep kickbacks? This is a fairly worthless isolation move.
Have you tried it, or anything similar to it?
-sk
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casualbb said:
Beat me to it
I will say that you're likely to profit from it more than, say, standard magazine routines. Simply because of the lower volume. There are some pretty strange workouts, for example why would you use tricep kickbacks? This is a fairly worthless isolation move.
AgainstAllOdds
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sk* said:
Do you incorporate supersets, trisets, giant sets, dropsets, or anything unique---or is it the same exact workout every week? Do you go to failure, absolute failure? Any special TUT?
AgainstAllOdds
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Is there any periodization or is the routine always the same throughout the year?
Signed up for it on their site, but no email yet.
Signed up for it on their site, but no email yet.
You're right, because when it boils down to it everybody's experience is anecdotal. Do we know (or do you even remember) what all of the diverse variables were when you were doing both programs? We don't know how you were eating, how you were resting, how well you applying program principles. Be careful generalizing based on anecdotes.
If all that really matters to you is one instance of "I did better on this program than that program," then I feel I should inform you that three Max-OT guys doing HST are having much better results. Does that alone mean that HST is a better program? Of course not. People's experiences are so specific that to extrapolate based on that is silly; that's why we examine theory and physiology, to try and swim through the sea of personal experience and arrive at truth.
I'll give an example why what you are saying is laughable.
No matter what happens, you can argue that training method X is the best.
Let's say person X did method X and method Y, then you will argue that he did X sooner that's why Y wasn't as affective. (meaning he was further away from his genetical pottential)
When you see pros not doing the routine you advocate, your excuse is that they take a lot of steroids so anything works.
If there was a case study with 2people doing routine X and Y simultaneously, you would blame it on genetics if the results didn't come out your way.
All I hear are excuses, and from guys that have been training under a year. Look at people who have done it and take notes.
I did the whole DC thing. Was it bad? No, but honestly a simple routine like MAX-OT was CONSIDERABLY better.
I would always research the best methods. I was never satisfied with what I did, because what if there is a better method? Then I took a step back and saw that I gained best with the simple stuff.
Back at it for now.
-sk
No matter what happens, you can argue that training method X is the best.
Let's say person X did method X and method Y, then you will argue that he did X sooner that's why Y wasn't as affective. (meaning he was further away from his genetical pottential)
When you see pros not doing the routine you advocate, your excuse is that they take a lot of steroids so anything works.
If there was a case study with 2people doing routine X and Y simultaneously, you would blame it on genetics if the results didn't come out your way.
All I hear are excuses, and from guys that have been training under a year. Look at people who have done it and take notes.
I did the whole DC thing. Was it bad? No, but honestly a simple routine like MAX-OT was CONSIDERABLY better.
I would always research the best methods. I was never satisfied with what I did, because what if there is a better method? Then I took a step back and saw that I gained best with the simple stuff.
Back at it for now.
-sk
c3bodybuilding
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Sk, that was simply beautiful. 
strangebrew
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C3bodybuilding said:Sk, that was simply beautiful.
very
With all due respect sir, that is quite wrong, and please don't make assumptions about where my ideas come from. What you've described is like religious faith: form an belief and then look for supporting evidence. For me it was completely the opposite order: I saw the results, and then based opinion on that. I don't need to see that "case study" because my opinion already stems from many like it.
AgainstAllOdds
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sk, you low carb bulking now? How's that going on max ot?
casualbb said:
I've seen you make your cases on and on about HST, and it's always the same shit. Big deal, you didn't use this excuse yet ... you used the others. Point is, there are always excuses EVEN AFTER I just told you max-ot worked better for me (THIS IS WHAT BOTHERS ME).
-sk
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I'd like to know more about your stint with DC, like the diet you were following, and the entries in your logbook (e.g. how much did you increase your squat or some other exercise), and for how long you did the program.
Debaser said:
I did it for around 4months.
Protein was very high, carbs and fats very moderate. Cals were set at 18-23XBW.
I was able to increase my reps every time I lifted in his method, but when I give myself more recovery I just ALWAYS increase my weight on the bar without even worrying about the reps.
Also, I experimented in a few variations of what he said ... meaning different rest periods. Anywhere from hitting the same muscle from 1.5 times to 3, to see which would work best.
The only thing that was remotely different from what he said was my negatives. I hadn't noticed he advocated slow negatives till very far in the program. And please don't tell me this was the difference of 20lbs of muscle, haha.
-sk
I guess I did Max OT without ever knowing it. lol Just slightly less amount of sets.
I`m trying HST now. DC Style One set workouts need VER intense concentration for the set. I used to think that I had it, but maybe the multiple sets will do me better.
It`s VERY difficult to get everything done with one set.
I`m trying HST now. DC Style One set workouts need VER intense concentration for the set. I used to think that I had it, but maybe the multiple sets will do me better.
It`s VERY difficult to get everything done with one set.
AgainstAllOdds
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sk* said:
Been bulking for around 2weeks on 250g of carbs. So far so good.
Sunday's diet was horrible though cause I had to move into campus, it will be better today.
-sk
So you're not low carb bulking or do you consider that low carb...If you are low carbing, whats your pro and fat @?
AgainstAllOdds said:
Yea, that's definetely low carbs. 500-800 would be on the high side for me.
Protein is 400g+, fats are like 200g. At least, ideally this is what I am doing. Yesterday, my diet sucked, and today it isn't going all that well either. I just moved to college and I am having a hard time adjusting my diet.
-sk
AgainstAllOdds
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sk* said:
Still didn't get the email. Could you post your routine, or anything important? I assume they just describe why it works in the email.
AgainstAllOdds said:
Here's a sample workout:
Monday
Squats 4-6X3
Leg Press 4-6X2
SLDL 6X2
Standing Calves 6-8X3
Seated Calves 6-8X2
Tuesday
Incline Bench 4-6X3
Dumbell Bench 4-6X3
Dips 4-6X1
Wednesday
Barbell Rows 4-6X2
Pull Downs 4-6X2
Pull-Ups 4-6X2
Cable Rows 4-6X1
Deadlifts 4-6X2
Shrugs 4-6X1
Thursday
Military Press 4-6X3
Dumbbell Press 4-6X2
Side Laterals 4-6X2
Lying Tricep Press 4-6X2
Cable Press downs 4-6X2
Seated tricep extentions 4-6X1
Friday
Barbell Curls 4-6X2
Hammer Curls 4-6X2
EZ Bar Curls 4-6X1
Leg Lifts 12-15X2
Cable Crunches 8-10X2
Weekends are off
Everything is done after warmups and to failure.
Add weight every workout.
Make sure you follow the guidlines I posted in this thread. Intensity is more important thing. Make sure to finish the workout in 30-40mins.
-sk
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