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Matrix Reloaded is Genius!!!

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I went in expecting great action scenes but Swiss-cheese for a plot.

I was extremely pleased to find that the plot is excellent (except for the focus on love).

The part that made it for me was the scene in the French restaurant.

I would imagine that anyone with any basic programming knowledge would find the plot very logical and well put together.

The architect also gave away too much information. I guess that they need to dumb down the movie for the average American.

In any case, I am going to see it again.

Plus, the action scenes were beyond belief.
 
can you explain everythign the architect said. i didnt really get any of it.
 
SPOILER!!!!!!

Here is what the architect said. Reading it may help you understand it better.

<architect>I am the Architect. I created the Matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions and though the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant.

<Neo>Why am I here?

<Architect> Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the Matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly which despite my sincerest efforts I've been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden acidulously avoided it is not unexpected and thus not beyond a measure of control; which has led you inexorably, here.

<Neo> You haven't answered my question.

<Architect>Quite right. Interesting; that was quicker than the others.

<Neo> Others, how many?

<Architect> The Matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next in which case this is the sixth version.

<Neo> There are only two possible explanations: there were five ones before me. Either no one told meor no one knows.

<Architect> Precisely, as you are undoubtedly gathering the anomaly is systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.

<Neo> You can't control me! I'm gonna smash you! You can't make me do anything!

<Architect> Choice. The program is choice. The first Matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect. It was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus I redesigned it, based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the Matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

<Neo> The Oracle?

<Architect> Please, as I was saying she stumbled upon a solution where by nearly 99% of all test subjects accepted the program as long as they were given a choice even if they were only aware of the choice at any unconscious level. While this answered function it was obviously fundamentally flawed, because creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ere go, those that refuse the program, while a minority if left unchecked would constitute an escalading probability of disaster.

<Neo> This is about Zion.

<Architect> You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. It's every living inhabitant terminated its entire existence eradicated.

<Neo> Bullshit!

<Architect> Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it and we have become exceedingly efficient at it. The function of The One is now to return to the source allowing a temporary decimation of the code you carry reinserting the prime program, after which you will be required to select from the Matrix twenty-three individuals, sixteen females, seven males to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the Matrix which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

<Neo> You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to survive.

<Architect> There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world. It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species facilitating the function of the One. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific viz a viz, love.

<Neo> Trinity.

<Architect> Apropos, she entered the Matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.

<Neo> No.

<Architect> Which brings us at last to the moment of truth wherin the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed and the anomaly revealed as both beginning and end. There are two doors, the door to your right leads to the source and the salvation of Zion. The door to you left leads back to the Matrix, to her and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you are going to do, don't we? Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical precursors signal the unset of an emotion designed specifically to overwhelm logic and reason, an emotion that is already blinding you from the simple and obvious truth, she is going to die and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion simultaneously the source of your greatest strength and your greatest weakness.
 
2T-It is a highly intellectual film,and on the complicated side for most to understand,and I believe that is why most were unhappy with the story line,they had a hard time following.I just saw it for the second time myself to pick up on bits and pieces I missed in the first showing.I wholeheartedly agree with you,this movie is AWESOME,particularly if you can comprehend the plot/message.

I also think it leaves quite a few possibilities open,which I hope are answered in Revolutions.I will definitely be going back to see this one again,and will be all over Revolutions when it comes out.
 
I was going to go see it with a girl next friday but I think I might go see it by myself this friday
 
I posted this on another thread, and copying here.

The makers of matrix are probably laughing all the way to the bank since us idiots have to watch the movie 10 times to understand it.

Anyway, heres the post.

_____________________________________________

Whats the fucking point of watching movie, which neither you or your friends understand?

And you have to resort to "posting on message boards online" to somewhat understand the truth.

Even after that you still don't understand since your faced with a gazillion different possible solutions.

Then you have to listen to people argue on whos point of view is better.

This makes you more confused.

BTW I did not see the 1st matrix, and the only reason why I went to see number 2 was because it had a Ducati 996 in it.

If it didnt have a crotch rocket in it, I would have avoided it like the first one.

I dont give a crap about the plot since its unrealistic. Also the reason why I dont like sci-fi, since its UNREALISTIC!

What if the matrix continues to 10 movies?

Will you put yourself through the stress of wondering what the fuck the movie was about, ten more times?

I surely wont, and if the next matrix does not have a motorcycle in it, I wont see it.

BTW I have to go take a shit.
 
Actually sci-fi writers have been very successful at predicting certain aspects of the future.
 
2Thick said:


I wish... I watch it clean the first time around. That way I remember the movie:)

Now that is Genius!! except it's always cool to watch the special effect for the first time while your primed. but I always could follow movies while i was high. probably why i used to go every week
 
2Thick said:


I guess it is easier to call something stupid rather than putting effort into understanding it.

I'd rather put effort into understanding other things more important then this shitty NERD sci-fi movie.
 
buddy28 said:
Just came in from watching it. Great movie. Was not expecting the plot twist. Its a quote unquote 'mindjob'.

Exactly!

I would rather get a blowjob from a man.

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the intricacies of the plot is what makes the movie great. Special effects are super, but thats just the eye candy.
 
I actually liked star wars 1 and 2.

Tried to see it through child eyes. Take it for it what it is kinda attitude.
 
I insisted on stoning before seeing it, because I was interested in it primarily as an audio-visual mindblower. Not surprisingly, I don't remember a lot of details. I'll most likely go see it again within a 2-3 weeks, even though I usually watch movies "in the moment", and don't spend time thinking about them. I do have at least a basic familiarity with programming (or at least a CS degree that says so), but nothing special about the plot occurred to me. That's no surprise, given how little effort I have put into understanding it so far. In any case, I look forward to all your insights.

Especially yours, HS Lifter.

;)
 
Frackal said:
Carl Sagan... what is the Demon Haunted World about ?

the book examines the differences between pseudo-science and actual science.

he gives his thoughts on subjects ranging from witchcraft to UFOs.

a good book on why skepticism is important.

have you ever read anything by carl sagan?

i have yet to read a book by him that has disappointed me. he really has a way of making science sound like poetry.
 
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:


I also think it leaves quite a few possibilities open,which I hope are answered in Revolutions.I will definitely be going back to see this one again,and will be all over Revolutions when it comes out.

There was a couple of huge questions left unanswered in the last 20 minutes. I am so happy that I have seen this movie.
 
buddy28 said:
2thick,

what was it about the scene with the french guy you liked so much?

I love the idea of the 'programmers' developing artificial situations where reality is created only when you accept it as reality. As the architect said, about 99% of people accept the control and live their meager lives accordingly. It is only when you understand the true principle of 'control,' that you can break the bonds of psychological slavery.
 
2Thick said:


I love the idea of the 'programmers' developing artificial situations where reality is created only when you accept it as reality. As the architect said, about 99% of people accept the control and live their meager lives accordingly. It is only when you understand the true principle of 'control,' that you can break the bonds of psychological slavery.

Sort of like real life eh?Does the word 'Government' ring a bell?
 
im not real tech savey so I was totally lost when the author of the matrix started talking,but the rest of the movie kicked ass
 
IrishMobBoss said:
im not real tech savey so I was totally lost when the author of the matrix started talking,but the rest of the movie kicked ass


Was not about being tech savvy. It was simple ideas complicated by poor usage of the English language.
 
Testosterone boy said:



Was not about being tech savvy. It was simple ideas complicated by poor usage of the English language.


Agreed. The idea itself was smart enough. No need for obscure and incorrect language usage to make it "seem" smart.
 
2Thick said:


It is a complicated message. The language is quite common to people who read.


Then as a reader and english language scholar you know the "arcitect" has poor grammar and word usage. He talks like someone would after being in solitary confinement with nothing but a dictionary.
 
ariolanine said:



Then as a reader and english language scholar you know the "arcitect" has poor grammar and word usage. He talks like someone would after being in solitary confinement with nothing but a dictionary.

The grammar is correct. He just uses synonyms. Just because you do not understand it does not mean that it is wrong.
 
2Thick said:


The grammar is correct. He just uses synonyms. Just because you do not understand it does not mean that it is wrong.

We can go back and forth all day. Read the script or watch the movie again. Talk to someone who majored in English at a real University. They will help you see my point.
 
2Thick said:


I wish... I watch it clean the first time around. That way I remember the movie:)

I always watch movies high. That way I can rent it again in the future and it's just like a new movie altogether.:)
 
ariolanine said:


We can go back and forth all day. Read the script or watch the movie again. Talk to someone who majored in English at a real University. They will help you see my point.

Find a grammar mistake:

<architect>I am the Architect. I created the Matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions and though the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant.

<Neo>Why am I here?

<Architect> Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the Matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly which despite my sincerest efforts I've been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden acidulously avoided it is not unexpected and thus not beyond a measure of control; which has led you inexorably, here.

<Neo> You haven't answered my question.

<Architect>Quite right. Interesting; that was quicker than the others.

<Neo> Others, how many?

<Architect> The Matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next in which case this is the sixth version.

<Neo> There are only two possible explanations: there were five ones before me. Either no one told meor no one knows.

<Architect> Precisely, as you are undoubtedly gathering the anomaly is systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.

<Neo> You can't control me! I'm gonna smash you! You can't make me do anything!

<Architect> Choice. The program is choice. The first Matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect. It was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus I redesigned it, based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the Matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

<Neo> The Oracle?

<Architect> Please, as I was saying she stumbled upon a solution where by nearly 99% of all test subjects accepted the program as long as they were given a choice even if they were only aware of the choice at any unconscious level. While this answered function it was obviously fundamentally flawed, because creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ere go, those that refuse the program, while a minority if left unchecked would constitute an escalading probability of disaster.

<Neo> This is about Zion.

<Architect> You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. It's every living inhabitant terminated its entire existence eradicated.

<Neo> Bullshit!

<Architect> Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it and we have become exceedingly efficient at it. The function of The One is now to return to the source allowing a temporary decimation of the code you carry reinserting the prime program, after which you will be required to select from the Matrix twenty-three individuals, sixteen females, seven males to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the Matrix which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

<Neo> You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to survive.

<Architect> There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world. It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species facilitating the function of the One. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific viz a viz, love.

<Neo> Trinity.

<Architect> Apropos, she entered the Matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.

<Neo> No.

<Architect> Which brings us at last to the moment of truth wherin the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed and the anomaly revealed as both beginning and end. There are two doors, the door to your right leads to the source and the salvation of Zion. The door to you left leads back to the Matrix, to her and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you are going to do, don't we? Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical precursors signal the unset of an emotion designed specifically to overwhelm logic and reason, an emotion that is already blinding you from the simple and obvious truth, she is going to die and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion simultaneously the source of your greatest strength and your greatest weakness.
 
I could say what the architect said with 1/2 the words and twice as many people would understand it. Poor english was used. Proper english, when communicating to the public, is to communicate in a manner that does not deter from your intended message.
 
The following sentences contain grammatical errors and/or incorrect word usage:


Concordantly while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant.

Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the Matrix.

While it remains a burden acidulously avoided it is not unexpected and thus not beyond a measure of control; which has led you inexorably, here.

The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being.

While this answered function it was obviously fundamentally flawed, because creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself.

Ere go, those that refuse the program, while a minority if left unchecked would constitute an escalading probability of disaster.

The function of The One is now to return to the source allowing a temporary decimation of the code you carry reinserting the prime program, after which you will be required to select from the Matrix twenty-three individuals, sixteen females, seven males to rebuild Zion.
 
Testosterone boy said:
I could say what the architect said with 1/2 the words and twice as many people would understand it. Poor english was used. Proper english, when communicating to the public, is to communicate in a manner that does not deter from your intended message.

I am telling you that he is using the same proper grammar and words that you find in most academic papers.

Anyone that has gone to university should realize that.
 
ariolanine said:
The following sentences contain grammatical errors and/or incorrect word usage:


Concordantly while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant.

Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the Matrix.

While it remains a burden acidulously avoided it is not unexpected and thus not beyond a measure of control; which has led you inexorably, here.

The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being.

While this answered function it was obviously fundamentally flawed, because creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself.

Ere go, those that refuse the program, while a minority if left unchecked would constitute an escalading probability of disaster.

The function of The One is now to return to the source allowing a temporary decimation of the code you carry reinserting the prime program, after which you will be required to select from the Matrix twenty-three individuals, sixteen females, seven males to rebuild Zion.


Explain why they are incorrect. Saying that you are a female means nothing without explaining why.
 
2Thick said:


I am telling you that he is using the same proper grammar and words that you find in most academic papers.

Anyone that has gone to university should realize that.


I have roughly 165 university hours. Only the insecure try to impress people with verbose language.

There is a difference between academic papers and their intended audience and a mainstream movie made in America.
 
2Thick said:


I am telling you that he is using the same proper grammar and words that you find in most academic papers.

Anyone that has gone to university should realize that.

Then you would use proper English and say "gone to a university."
 
Testosterone boy said:



I have roughly 165 university hours. Only the insecure try to impress people with verbose language.

There is a difference between academic papers and their intended audience and a mainstream movie made in America.

I know that you are one of the minority people in the US that has a high level of intellect. I am trying to understand why you are trying to compare communication (which praises simplicity of comprehension over anything else) with verbose language that fleshes out a complex theory.
 
2Thick said:


I know that you are one of the minority people in the US that has a high level of intellect. I am trying to understand why you are trying to compare communication (which praises simplicity of comprehension over anything else) with verbose language that fleshes out a complex theory.


I'm just upset because I bruised a brain cell listening to the architect. :licker:

My english professor would have been rolling in her grave listening to the architect.


Perhaps it was a smart thing to do though, they may sell more tickets to people going back with their thinking caps on.
 
2Thick said:


We are not discussing my inadequacies, but rather your inability to show evidence to back up your words.

I already pointed it out g. Take a look here mmmmk.

http://www.mirriamwebster.com/

The sentences I pointed out contain "big" words used improperly. His grammar was also off a few times. Anyone who graduated high school (even American high school) should be able to figure it out.
 
ariolanine said:


I already pointed it out g. Take a look here mmmmk.

http://www.mirriamwebster.com/

The sentences I pointed out contain "big" words used improperly. His grammar was also off a few times. Anyone who graduated high school (even American high school) should be able to figure it out.

You must not be a cunning linguist because spoken word does not always correspond to its definition. Have you read anything y Shakespeare or the novel "Beowulf?" They use structure that seems wrong, but it actually perfectly fine.

I know that you do not use many of those words, so how would you know what is the proper way to use them in spoken English? I also, do not use them everyday but I encounter them on an almost daily basis.
 
2Thick said:


You must not be a cunning linguist because spoken word does not always correspond to its definition. Have you read anything y Shakespeare or the novel "Beowulf?" They use structure that seems wrong, but it actually perfectly fine.

I know that you do not use many of those words, so how would you know what is the proper way to use them in spoken English? I also, do not use them everyday but I encounter them on an almost daily basis.


Shakepeare's work and Beowulf were written in two different evolutions of English. Beowulf in Old English and Shakespeare in early Modern English with Middle English separating the two.

The script from the Matrix and the architect scene in particular are written in modern English, more specifically American English. "Concordantly" is a 15th century term (middle english). From a linguistic standing (written or spoken) interjecting that word into a modern english sentence structure is wrong. The other sentences I pointed out contain similar vocabulary errors as well as grammatical ones.

My guess is that they wrote the script like anyone else wood. Then they used a dictionary and thesauras to replace as many words as they could with more obscure terms. Not clever, just wrong.
 
If you guys are thru insulting each other, it would be a lot more interesting discussing what the Architect MEANT rather than how he said it.

Somebody explain how taking the door to Zion leads to the extermination....
Sorry I don't get it.
 
ariolanine said:



Shakepeare's work and Beowulf were written in two different evolutions of English. Beowulf in Old English and Shakespeare in early Modern English with Middle English separating the two.

The script from the Matrix and the architect scene in particular are written in modern English, more specifically American English. "Concordantly" is a 15th century term (middle english). From a linguistic standing (written or spoken) interjecting that word into a modern english sentence structure is wrong. The other sentences I pointed out contain similar vocabulary errors as well as grammatical ones.

My guess is that they wrote the script like anyone else wood. Then they used a dictionary and thesauras to replace as many words as they could with more obscure terms. Not clever, just wrong.

Obscure?

So if it is not modern, then it is wrong?

Good logic.
 
2Thick said:


Obscure?

So if it is not modern, then it is wrong?

Good logic.


No. You cannot combine old english, middle english, and modern english. You use one or the other. That is what makes the arcitect's speech wrong and what makes Beowulf and Shakespeare right.
 
ariolanine said:



No. You cannot combine old english, middle english, and modern english. You use one or the other. That is what makes the arcitect's speech wrong and what makes Beowulf and Shakespeare right.

You fail to realize that it is still a movie, where the setting is way ahead of our time. If my memory serves me right, they are in 22nd century. The english language goes through transformations with time. With time, the language changes and average IQ increases. The movie is ahead of our time so to say that the Architect is speaking improper english is false.
 
I think the parties on both sides of the grammar debate would agree that the Architect's grammar is not flat-out wrong, but there do exist more concise ways his lines could have been written in.

Sort of like real life eh?Does the word 'Government' ring a bell?
Maybe the Wachowskis are trying to tell something to the American public? I do see some correlations between life in the United States and the Matrix.
 
The Eugenius said:
I think the parties on both sides of the grammar debate would agree that the Architect's grammar is not flat-out wrong, but there do exist more concise ways his lines could have been written in.


Maybe the Wachowskis are trying to tell something to the American public? I do see some correlations between life in the United States and the Matrix.

I am just wondering why it is that when people do not understand something, it has to be wrong.

Getting to the important part of your reply, I see this movie on the same level as Robert A. Heinlein's 1959 novel that inspired the 1997 movie "Starship Troopers."

If anyone does not know about the real message behind the movie "Starship Troopers," then do a search and bask in the glory of knowledge.
 
ariolanine said:



My guess is that they wrote the script like anyone else wood.

Not clever, just wrong.

you said "wood"....like the material for building? i could be wrong, but isnt that second phrase a fragment, there is no subject. "Its" would make it work, me thinks.
 
bignate73 said:


you said "wood"....like the material for building? i could be wrong, but isnt that second phrase a fragment, there is no subject. "Its" would make it work, me thinks.

Word.
 
2Thick said:


I was extremely pleased to find that the plot is excellent (except for the focus on love).

I would imagine that anyone with any basic programming knowledge would find the plot very logical and well put together.

The architect also gave away too much information. I guess that they need to dumb down the movie for the average American.


The plot is excellent, logical, and very well put together, like you said. There was no focus on love.

How did the architect give away too much information? I thought that what he said fit the plot accordingly and tied up a few loose ends (and also created some).

The movie was not "dumbed down." That is why most average people are having trouble understanding it.

I thought the movie was great. One of the best I have seen for some time now!
 
much better movie story wise then the first one, much better visuals, muh better action scenes, fun to watch..the only similarity, Keanu Reeves sill cannot act and only hurts the movie and Trinity is FUCKING UGLY
 
LOL at the grammar debate.

The architect's language is an integral part of his character. "Dumbing it down" as T-boy says, so that everyone would understand what he was saying, would have changed his character. The matters of perfection, free will, etc. by the architect of a society wouldn't go over the same.
 
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bunnymt said:


The plot is excellent, logical, and very well put together, like you said. There was no focus on love.

How did the architect give away too much information? I thought that what he said fit the plot accordingly and tied up a few loose ends (and also created some).

The movie was not "dumbed down." That is why most average people are having trouble understanding it.

I thought the movie was great. One of the best I have seen for some time now!

Agree with every word you said!
 
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bunnymt said:


The plot is excellent, logical, and very well put together, like you said. There was no focus on love.

How could it not be about love? He changed his "destiny" because he had so much love for Trinity that he risked the fall of Zion just to save her with his superman speed.
 
AustinTX said:
LOL at the grammar debate.

The architect's language is an integral part of his character. "Dumbing it down" as T-boy says, so that everyone would understand what he was saying, would have changed his character. The matters of perfection, free will, etc. by the architect of a society wouldn't go over the same.

I feel that the movie makers already dumbed down the architects lines. If they really wanted to make it complicated, they would have used complicated language.
 
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2Thick said:


How could it not be about love? He changed his "destiny" because he had so much love for Trinity that he risked the fall of Zion just to save her with his superman speed.

I said that there was no focus on love, not that the theme of love wasn't interlaced into the plot. When I think of a movie being focused on love, I immediately picture "Pearl Harbor."

Now this raises an important question: did he really "change" his destiny, or was this part of the big plan after all?? Perhaps the choice was not his to make (it was already made for him).
 
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bignate73 said:


she's looking old though. :(

wow...I think she's sexy. Must be all those shiny black latex outfits and the way she kicks everyones ass!:velvett:

I'll be sure to pick up some wrinkle cream on my way home tonight!
 
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Nonerz said:



I'll be sure to pick up some wrinkle cream on my way home tonight!

hmmm....already have some here.....LOL!!!:blow:

:p mah baby!!!

seriously though, on some of the closeups in reloaded, she was looking a bit crackly around the lips and eyes.
 
Rumor has it that the Wachowski brothers, the writers/directors of The Matrix trilogy, are associated with the Landmark Forum, which is a Scientology-like cult, full of mindless morons.

Don't expose yourselves to their filth.
 
Cheeky Pecker Checker said:
Rumor has it that the Wachowski brothers, the writers/directors of The Matrix trilogy, are associated with the Landmark Forum, which is a Scientology-like cult, full of mindless morons.

Don't expose yourselves to their filth.

You believe everything you read and hear ? Good ! Keep it up !
 
Crazy Ivan said:


You believe everything you read and hear ? Good ! Keep it up !

No, I don't.

However, I have researched this topic, and the information that I've gathered supports the claim that the Wachowski brothers are involved with the Landmark Forum.

The Landmark Forum people are evil.

You're putting yourselves in great danger by exposing yourselves to their "art."
 
Today my printer was talking to me, told me all about the future. Then we got high and talked some more, came to final conclusion that very soon Space Station Mir will be the first one to land on Mars.
 
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