Masteron or Anavar with my Test Enanthate for lean gains?

[AvatarJ]

Hi all,

Please help me with the below, I will greatly appreciate your opinions and it will help me in my decision.

Goal:
Gain lean muscle.
Just finished a cut, was in a calorie deficit for 10 weeks... I am ready to start a calorie surplus and gain lean muscle with assistance of this cycle.

Stats:
33yrs with over 15 yrs training experience
75kg body weight
+-8% BF
(This will be my 4th cycle)

I am planning a 10 week test enanthate cycle at 500mg/week in two divided pins, Mon & Thurs.

My options are to add either masteron enanthate for 10 weeks at 400mg/week together with test enanthate pins Week 1-10

OR

Anavar at 40mg ed from week 4 to 12 (8 weeks)


PS:
AI week 2-12, arimidex 1mg eod.
HCG at week 10-12.
PCT week 13 -17 (Clomid & DAA)

The question is, Masteron or Anavar to assist in lean quality muscle gain?

Thank you everyone!

 

[stevesmi]

at your body fat masteron will harden you up nicely. if that is what you want then go for it

 

[AvatarJ]

at your body fat masteron will harden you up nicely. if that is what you want then go for it

I don't mind the hardening up effect Masteron gives, but will it assist in a similar way Anavar would with lean muscle gain?
Or would you say that the lean muscle gain would mostly come from the 500mg test and the Masteron/Anavar would rather assist in hardening/strength and vascularity respectively?

If this is the case I would go with Masteron simply for the convenience of adding it to my test twice per week; the anti estrogen properties and the hardening effect instead of popping var tabs day in day out.

Much appreciated

 

[Topps_Baseball88]

Steve has you covered

 

[MasonicBodybuilder]

Masteron will do more hardening and make you appear more shredded. Anavar will help with lean muscle gains but is very mild. You might actually be better suited to use tbol.

 

[Tazz]

masteron for lower body fat

 

[RickRock13]

Masteron is awesome but its cosmetic. It does nothing for gains. Anavar is weak so it wouodnt be my choice if I was after gains either

 

[AvatarJ]

Ok, so I have decided...

This is my cycle in a nutshell:
Week 1-12: Test Enanthate @ 600mg/week
Week 1-12: Proviron @ 50mg ed
Week 10-15: Anavar @ 60mg ed

AI will be in there and PCT as mentioned. HCG starting week 14 for 15 days. PCT starting (24-36 hours) after my last Var tab.

The whole idea is to gain/lean bulk for 10 weeks then once the Var enters go on a 5 week cut to get rid of a little fat gain from the bulk.

Thoughts??

Thanks gents

 

[Black87]

I would go with winstrol...

 

[SteveMobsterG]

Masteron is awesome but its cosmetic. It does nothing for gains. Anavar is weak so it wouodnt be my choice if I was after gains either

Disagree. Gains are gains. And I'd prefer to gain 5 and keep 5 than add 10 on and lose 70% off.

 

[stevesmi]

bulking then cutting on the same cycle does not work well at all man. i would focus on 1 or the other. what you are doing here is a competition setup where guys will cut into the competition day to look dry and vascular the day of. the thing is they use short esters, they would use prop and not E so they can be flexible

if you are just a normal joe no reason to do that.

 

[RickRock13]

Disagree. Gains are gains. And I'd prefer to gain 5 and keep 5 than add 10 on and lose 70% off.

Yeah some would disagree. This is just my opinion on it. Its never impressed me. I honestly notice little difference between proviron and anavar in terms of results. It just doesn't do anything for me, but that was a few years ago. I dont use orals at all anymore. Some love it and thats fine. Just doesn't do dick for me

 

[MasonicBodybuilder]

Yeah some would disagree. This is just my opinion on it. Its never impressed me. I honestly notice little difference between proviron and anavar in terms of results. It just doesn't do anything for me, but that was a few years ago. I dont use orals at all anymore. Some love it and thats fine. Just doesn't do dick for me

I always respect your opinion Rick. I have for years. You do respond to these hormones differently though and I wonder if that plays a part in this. I know you typically have to run high test and your TRT is on the higher end of things. I wonder if this plays into why the more mild compounds do not do much for you. I have no science, lol but just making a guess here.

 

[AvatarJ]

bulking then cutting on the same cycle does not work well at all man. i would focus on 1 or the other. what you are doing here is a competition setup where guys will cut into the competition day to look dry and vascular the day of. the thing is they use short esters, they would use prop and not E so they can be flexible

if you are just a normal joe no reason to do that.

Ok I’ll take your advice and scratch the cut.
Initially I was planning to do a short cut while on the last few weeks of anavar to drop some fat gain from the bulk, even if it was like 1kg. However, you made a good point there and I’ll just continue to add those lean gains right up to PCT.

The only reason why I chose anavar is because its low sides and doesn’t effect my joints like winstrol does (poor man anavar). And I needed something for the wait at the end of cycle to clear out the test ester... so anavar is literally there as a cherry on top.

If there’s something else you can recommend then please do. I’m not looking for something that aromatase and I’m looking for something with low sides. Winny is just too liver toxic and causes those joint issues (never again). Anavar sounds like a good choice to me.

I’ve done a similar cycle like this before and liked it. Was just thinking of masteron this time around, to try something different. But na, sticking to what I know.

One more question - 600mg test-e per week for 12 weeks or would you bump it up to 750mg/week for 10 weeks?
My thinking is that at 750mg/week the sides just go up and not much difference to gains. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

Thanks gents

 

[RickRock13]

I always respect your opinion Rick. I have for years. You do respond to these hormones differently though and I wonder if that plays a part in this. I know you typically have to run high test and your TRT is on the higher end of things. I wonder if this plays into why the more mild compounds do not do much for you. I have no science, lol but just making a guess here.

I just don't metabolize test as well as others so I need to run more to get the same benefit both on cycle and trt. Ive seen that in my bloodwork. I run 175 for trt just to get to 800 test levels

It also helps that I'm not estrogen sensitive at all so my body likes test a lot.

I respond really well to a lot of mild compounds like eq and primo so I dont have a good answer. I also will only run 200 max on tren. I will say I dont get a lot out of any oral really, some more than others. I dont think my body takes those well either. They also give me horrible sides so because of all that I quit using orals a long time ago. Just don't see the benefit in them for myself

 

[RickRock13]

Ok I’ll take your advice and scratch the cut.
Initially I was planning to do a short cut while on the last few weeks of anavar to drop some fat gain from the bulk, even if it was like 1kg. However, you made a good point there and I’ll just continue to add those lean gains right up to PCT.

The only reason why I chose anavar is because its low sides and doesn’t effect my joints like winstrol does (poor man anavar). And I needed something for the wait at the end of cycle to clear out the test ester... so anavar is literally there as a cherry on top.

If there’s something else you can recommend then please do. I’m not looking for something that aromatase and I’m looking for something with low sides. Winny is just too liver toxic and causes those joint issues (never again). Anavar sounds like a good choice to me.

I’ve done a similar cycle like this before and liked it. Was just thinking of masteron this time around, to try something different. But na, sticking to what I know.

One more question - 600mg test-e per week for 12 weeks or would you bump it up to 750mg/week for 10 weeks?
My thinking is that at 750mg/week the sides just go up and not much difference to gains. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

Thanks gents

Go 600 for 12 on the test. I like that better

 

[AvatarJ]

Go 600 for 12 on the test. I like that better

 

[stevesmi]

Ok I’ll take your advice and scratch the cut.
Initially I was planning to do a short cut while on the last few weeks of anavar to drop some fat gain from the bulk, even if it was like 1kg. However, you made a good point there and I’ll just continue to add those lean gains right up to PCT.

The only reason why I chose anavar is because its low sides and doesn’t effect my joints like winstrol does (poor man anavar). And I needed something for the wait at the end of cycle to clear out the test ester... so anavar is literally there as a cherry on top.

If there’s something else you can recommend then please do. I’m not looking for something that aromatase and I’m looking for something with low sides. Winny is just too liver toxic and causes those joint issues (never again). Anavar sounds like a good choice to me.

I’ve done a similar cycle like this before and liked it. Was just thinking of masteron this time around, to try something different. But na, sticking to what I know.

One more question - 600mg test-e per week for 12 weeks or would you bump it up to 750mg/week for 10 weeks?
My thinking is that at 750mg/week the sides just go up and not much difference to gains. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

Thanks gents

keeping things simple is my way of doing things always. i think you will be very pleased with var, just make sure it is legit var from my friends domestic supply

 

[Tazz]

Go 600 for 12 on the test. I like that better

i agree on that

 

[AvatarJ]

Thanks all for the input and helping me refine my thinking and decisions.

This is what it’s going to be...
Test e at 600mg/week, 12 weeks.
AI in there alongside Test and including week 13 then it will be on hand.
Var 60mg ed from week 10-15.
HCG (1500 iu every 5 days) week 14-16.
PCT clomid 50mg and DAA week 16-20.
Post PCT DAA and creatine week 20 onwards.

2021 is going to be a blast

 

[SteveMobsterG]

Ok I’ll take your advice and scratch the cut.
Initially I was planning to do a short cut while on the last few weeks of anavar to drop some fat gain from the bulk, even if it was like 1kg. However, you made a good point there and I’ll just continue to add those lean gains right up to PCT.

The only reason why I chose anavar is because its low sides and doesn’t effect my joints like winstrol does (poor man anavar). And I needed something for the wait at the end of cycle to clear out the test ester... so anavar is literally there as a cherry on top.

If there’s something else you can recommend then please do. I’m not looking for something that aromatase and I’m looking for something with low sides. Winny is just too liver toxic and causes those joint issues (never again). Anavar sounds like a good choice to me.

I’ve done a similar cycle like this before and liked it. Was just thinking of masteron this time around, to try something different. But na, sticking to what I know.

One more question - 600mg test-e per week for 12 weeks or would you bump it up to 750mg/week for 10 weeks?
My thinking is that at 750mg/week the sides just go up and not much difference to gains. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

Thanks gents

Correct

 

[stevesmi]

i found no difference in 500 vs. 750 aside from more sides correct

remember the pros are using so much shit that a heftier dosage can translate for them. but we are just avg joes

 

[MasonicBodybuilder]

I wouldn't run test any higher than 500mg per week. I typically run it at 200-300mg.