Marijuana or Alcohol?

[mrplunkey]

you sure u doin it right?

you PUKED from ingesting nothing?

hmm sounds like an unhealthy physiological response (or a lie)

sounds like you got an anxiety attack and puked "from nerves".

thats a you handling your mental shit issue, not a toxicity issue

Read what you are typing -- you're dishing-out accusations left and right.

Since when did my, Smurphy or Iggy's validation of you become so crucial? You pro-pot guys need to chill out. If only you had a reliable, safe way to relax.... have you considered a nice glass of red wine?

 

[Lambruh]

I couldn't even imagine sitting by a fire, or golfing, or taking roadtrips without a little bit of green. Same thing with brew and football games, tribe games, cavs games and Indy 500.

 

[Smurfy]

well how do I know what the tolerability is in the general population? I only know my own experience and it was not good. That's all.

 

[Smurfy]

Read what you are typing -- you're dishing-out accusations left and right.

Since when did my, Smurphy or Iggy's validation of you become so crucial? You pro-pot guys need to chill out. If only you had a reliable, safe way to relax.... have you considered a nice glass of red wine?

I have found, even outside of this discussion, IRL, that people who smoke pot regularly and who are pot proponents, get very defensive when someone has a differing opinion of their precious drug. I don't know why. Frankly, I don't care if others smoke as long as it does not permeate into my life or my personal space.

 

[calveless wonder]

I have found, even outside of this discussion, IRL, that people who smoke pot regularly and who are pot proponents, get very defensive when someone has a differing opinion of their precious drug. I don't know why. Frankly, I don't care if others smoke as long as it does not permeate into my life or my personal space.

People generally get defensive when people spew inaccurate or bias information generated from propaganda

 

[chris302001]

People generally get defensive when people spew inaccurate or bias information generated from propaganda

lol, perfect response.

 

[nefertiti]

MDMA is an extremely useful tool when dosed correctly. Our military is quietly doing studies that involve MDMA in conjunction with psychotherapy for PTSD and getting fantastic results.

Useful information....lol
(probably better I didn't know that in my current state)

For the record....the time I mentioned earlier in this thread that I almost passed out, I also felt really sick on my stomach....not panic. Just WAY too much WAY too quickly after going years without smoking at all. So I believe that smurfy had a bad experience with it - we all react to things different ways....she might have been smoking some crap stuff, too. No quality control when it's illegal.

 

[PICK3]

Our military is quietly doing studies that involve MDMA

and Positive Psychology to develop psychological resilience

"War on terror" psychologist gets giant no-bid contract - War Room - Salon.com

Mental Health Program Uses Positive Psychology to Train Army Soldiers

Building Resilience in a Challenging Institutional Context

The Politics of Well-Being: The Pentagon's new spiritual fitness training programme

 

[Smurfy]

People generally get defensive when people spew inaccurate or bias information generated from propaganda

I did that? All I did was give my personal opinion which is based on my experience, yet for some reason people are still getting defensive.

 

[mrplunkey]

J Addict Med. 2011 Mar 1;5(1):1-8.
An Evidence Based Review of Acute and Long-Term Effects of Cannabis Use on Executive Cognitive Functions.

Crean RD, Crane NA, Mason BJ.

Committee on the Neurobiology of Addictive Disorders; The Scripps Research Institute; La Jolla, CA, 92037, USA.
Abstract

Cannabis use has been shown to impair cognitive functions on a number of levels-from basic motor coordination to more complex executive function tasks, such as the ability to plan, organize, solve problems, make decisions, remember, and control emotions and behavior. These deficits differ in severity depending on the quantity, recency, age of onset and duration of marijuana use. Understanding how cannabis use impairs executive function is important. Individuals with cannabis-related impairment in executive functions have been found to have trouble learning and applying the skills required for successful recovery, putting them at increased risk for relapse to cannabis use. Here we review the research on the acute, residual, and long-term effects of cannabis use on executive functions, and discuss the implications for treatment.

PMID: 21321675 [PubMed]PMCID: PMC3037578 [Available on 2012/3/1]

 

[Sub-Zero]

Read what you are typing -- you're dishing-out accusations left and right.

Since when did my, Smurphy or Iggy's validation of you become so crucial? You pro-pot guys need to chill out. If only you had a reliable, safe way to relax.... have you considered a nice glass of red wine?

why you gotta bring iggy into this bro?

 

[Sub-Zero]

J Addict Med. 2011 Mar 1;5(1):1-8.
An Evidence Based Review of Acute and Long-Term Effects of Cannabis Use on Executive Cognitive Functions.

Crean RD, Crane NA, Mason BJ.

Committee on the Neurobiology of Addictive Disorders; The Scripps Research Institute; La Jolla, CA, 92037, USA.
Abstract

Cannabis use has been shown to impair cognitive functions on a number of levels-from basic motor coordination to more complex executive function tasks, such as the ability to plan, organize, solve problems, make decisions, remember, and control emotions and behavior. These deficits differ in severity depending on the quantity, recency, age of onset and duration of marijuana use. Understanding how cannabis use impairs executive function is important. Individuals with cannabis-related impairment in executive functions have been found to have trouble learning and applying the skills required for successful recovery, putting them at increased risk for relapse to cannabis use. Here we review the research on the acute, residual, and long-term effects of cannabis use on executive functions, and discuss the implications for treatment.

PMID: 21321675 [PubMed]PMCID: PMC3037578 [Available on 2012/3/1]

give me a physiological or mechanistic explination of this "pot fog". not some "these retards who cant remember anything happen to be pot users" correlational psychology study

ya know, sort of like the numerous studies on brain deterioration with alcohol, as well as the fact that it is proven to be physically addictive, while marijuana isnt...

The Neuropathology of Alcohol-specific Brain Damage, or Does Alcohol Damage the Brain?
"There is still debate as to whether alcohol per se causes brain damage. The main problem has been to identify those lesions caused by alcohol itself and those caused by other common alcohol-related factors, principally thiamin deficiency. Careful selection and classification of alcoholic cases into those with and without these complications, together with detailed quantitative neuropathological analyses, has provided us with useful data. There is brain shrinkage in uncomplicated alcoholics which can largely be accounted for by loss of white matter. Some of this damage appears to be reversible. However, alcohol-related neuronal loss has been documented in specific regions of the cerebral cortex (superior frontal association cortex), hypothalamus (supraoptic and paraventricular nuclei), and cerebellum. The data is conflicting for several regions: the hippocampus, amygdala and locus ceruleus. No change is found in the basal ganglia, nucleus basalis, or serotonergic raphe nuclei. Many of the regions that are normal in uncomplicated alcoholics are damaged in those with the Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome. Dendritic and synaptic changes have been documented in uncomplicated alcoholics and these, together with receptor and transmitter changes, may explain functional changes and cognitive deficits that precede the more severe structural neuronal changes. The pattern of damage appears to be somewhat different and species-specific in animal models of alcohol toxicity. Pathological changes that have been found to correlate with alcohol intake include white matter loss and neuronal loss in the hypothalamus and cerebellum."
HARPER, CLIVE MD, FRCPA 1998 American Association of Neuropathologists, Inc

 

[mrplunkey]

give me a physiological or mechanistic explination of this "pot fog". not some "these retards who cant remember anything happen to be pot users" correlational psychology study

ya know, sort of like the numerous studies on brain deterioration with alcohol, as well as the fact that it is proven to be physically addictive, while marijuana isnt...

The Neuropathology of Alcohol-specific Brain Damage, or Does Alcohol Damage the Brain?
"There is still debate as to whether alcohol per se causes brain damage. The main problem has been to identify those lesions caused by alcohol itself and those caused by other common alcohol-related factors, principally thiamin deficiency. Careful selection and classification of alcoholic cases into those with and without these complications, together with detailed quantitative neuropathological analyses, has provided us with useful data. There is brain shrinkage in uncomplicated alcoholics which can largely be accounted for by loss of white matter. Some of this damage appears to be reversible. However, alcohol-related neuronal loss has been documented in specific regions of the cerebral cortex (superior frontal association cortex), hypothalamus (supraoptic and paraventricular nuclei), and cerebellum. The data is conflicting for several regions: the hippocampus, amygdala and locus ceruleus. No change is found in the basal ganglia, nucleus basalis, or serotonergic raphe nuclei. Many of the regions that are normal in uncomplicated alcoholics are damaged in those with the Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome. Dendritic and synaptic changes have been documented in uncomplicated alcoholics and these, together with receptor and transmitter changes, may explain functional changes and cognitive deficits that precede the more severe structural neuronal changes. The pattern of damage appears to be somewhat different and species-specific in animal models of alcohol toxicity. Pathological changes that have been found to correlate with alcohol intake include white matter loss and neuronal loss in the hypothalamus and cerebellum."
HARPER, CLIVE MD, FRCPA 1998 American Association of Neuropathologists, Inc

1) I'm arguing against pot. I'm not arguing alcohol can't do damage. Did you forget what we were posting about? I had a couple of glasses of wine tonight, and I still remember the topic at hand.

2) Here's one (of many) studies that isn't "correlational" (as you put it):

Drug Alcohol Depend. 2011 Apr 1;114(2-3):242-5. Epub 2010 Nov 2.
Diminished gray matter in the hippocampus of cannabis users: Possible protective effects of cannabidiol.

Demirakca T, Sartorius A, Ende G, Meyer N, Welzel H, Skopp G, Mann K, Hermann D.

Department of Neuroimaging, Central Institute of Mental Health, J 5, 68159 Mannheim, Germany.
Abstract

BACKGROUND: Chronic cannabis use has been associated with memory deficits and a volume reduction of the hippocampus, but none of the studies accounted for different effects of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and cannabidiol (CBD).

METHODS: Using a voxel based morphometry approach optimized for small subcortical structures (DARTEL) gray matter (GM) concentration and volume of the hippocampus were measured in 11 chronic recreational cannabis users and 13 healthy controls, and correlated with THC and CBD from hair analyses. GM volume was calculated by modulating VBM using Jacobian determinants derived from the spatial normalization.

RESULTS: Cannabis users showed lower GM volume located in a cluster of the right anterior hippocampus (P(uncorr)=0.002; effect size Cohen's d=1.34). In a regression analysis an inverse correlation of the ratio THC/CBD with the volume of the right hippocampus (P(uncorr)p<0.001, Cohen's d=3.43) was observed. Furthermore Cannabidiol correlated positively with GM concentration (unmodulated VBM data), but not with GM volume (modulated VBM) in the bilateral hippocampus (P=0.03 after correction for hippocampal volume; left hippocampus Cohen's d=4.37 and right hippocampus 4.65).

CONCLUSIONS: Lower volume in the right hippocampus in chronic cannabis users was corroborated. Higher THC and lower CBD was associated with this volume reduction indicating neurotoxic effects of THC and neuroprotective effects of CBD. This confirms existing preclinical and clinical results. As a possible mechanism the influence of cannabinoids on hippocampal neurogenesis is suggested.
Copyright © 2010 Elsevier Ireland Ltd. All rights reserved.

PMID: 21050680 [PubMed - in process]

 

[Sub-Zero]

1) I'm arguing against pot. I'm not arguing alcohol can't do damage. Did you forget what we were posting about? I had a couple of glasses of wine tonight, and I still remember the topic at hand.

2) Here's one (of many) studies that isn't "correlational" (as you put it):

Drug Alcohol Depend. 2011 Apr 1;114(2-3):242-5. Epub 2010 Nov 2.
Diminished gray matter in the hippocampus of cannabis users: Possible protective effects of cannabidiol.

Demirakca T, Sartorius A, Ende G, Meyer N, Welzel H, Skopp G, Mann K, Hermann D.

Department of Neuroimaging, Central Institute of Mental Health, J 5, 68159 Mannheim, Germany.
Abstract

BACKGROUND: Chronic cannabis use has been associated with memory deficits and a volume reduction of the hippocampus, but none of the studies accounted for different effects of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and cannabidiol (CBD).

METHODS: Using a voxel based morphometry approach optimized for small subcortical structures (DARTEL) gray matter (GM) concentration and volume of the hippocampus were measured in 11 chronic recreational cannabis users and 13 healthy controls, and correlated with THC and CBD from hair analyses. GM volume was calculated by modulating VBM using Jacobian determinants derived from the spatial normalization.

RESULTS: Cannabis users showed lower GM volume located in a cluster of the right anterior hippocampus (P(uncorr)=0.002; effect size Cohen's d=1.34). In a regression analysis an inverse correlation of the ratio THC/CBD with the volume of the right hippocampus (P(uncorr)p<0.001, Cohen's d=3.43) was observed. Furthermore Cannabidiol correlated positively with GM concentration (unmodulated VBM data), but not with GM volume (modulated VBM) in the bilateral hippocampus (P=0.03 after correction for hippocampal volume; left hippocampus Cohen's d=4.37 and right hippocampus 4.65).

CONCLUSIONS: Lower volume in the right hippocampus in chronic cannabis users was corroborated. Higher THC and lower CBD was associated with this volume reduction indicating neurotoxic effects of THC and neuroprotective effects of CBD. This confirms existing preclinical and clinical results. As a possible mechanism the influence of cannabinoids on hippocampal neurogenesis is suggested.
Copyright © 2010 Elsevier Ireland Ltd. All rights reserved.

PMID: 21050680 [PubMed - in process]

you were arguing that pot is more detrimental to every day function than alcohol.

2 glasses of wine could be compared to 2 hits, maybe even 1 hit. and fyi, you would have no clue wheover smoked that much was even high. you keep trying to compare your precious 2 glasses of wine (lmao fag), to HEAVY pot smokers.

and fyi iv smoked once in the past 4 months...

 

[CoBra666]

alcohol. i can hammed and still attempt anything. pot just makes me lazy, weird and hungry

 

[CoBra666]

im actually quite motivated when im drunk

 

[mrplunkey]

you were arguing that pot is more detrimental to every day function than alcohol.

2 glasses of wine could be compared to 2 hits, maybe even 1 hit. and fyi, you would have no clue wheover smoked that much was even high. you keep trying to compare your precious 2 glasses of wine (lmao fag), to HEAVY pot smokers.

and fyi iv smoked once in the past 4 months...

Please provide a peer-reviewed study demonstrating that 2 hits (maybe 1 hit) is equivalent to two glasses of wine.

You asked for articles and I post them. Now it's your turn.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Please provide a peer-reviewed study demonstrating that 2 hits (maybe 1 hit) is equivalent to two glasses of wine.

You asked for articles and I post them. Now it's your turn.

you cant OD on pot. you care way more about this topic. these days i dont drink OR smoke, so whatever man

 

[mrplunkey]

you cant OD on pot. you care way more about this topic. these days i dont drink OR smoke, so whatever man

I'd still like to see that study about two (or one) hits being equivalent to two glasses of wine. It sure sounds like stoner science to me.

 

[Sub-Zero]

I'd still like to see that study about two (or one) hits being equivalent to two glasses of wine. It sure sounds like stoner science to me.

it was partier science. i never said there was any study, i just have smoked 5 blunts in a night, and have also drank 15+ drinks in a night, which are pretty much my threshold for each, and been able to compare affects.

i have also smoked a few hits, or drank a glass or two of wine, and been able to compare those affects (as they compare to the absolute maximum of each respective drug)

anyway, this argument is silly, enjoy your alcohol, and just realize that pot isnt for you, but your experiences and bias on the subject doesnt dictate the way other people react to or experience the drug. you can never make a fair comparison or have an intelligent point of view on the subject, simply because you dont have experience in using both rec drugs, only the one (alcohol)

 

[mrplunkey]

it was partier science. i never said there was any study, i just have smoked 5 blunts in a night, and have also drank 15+ drinks in a night, which are pretty much my threshold for each, and been able to compare affects.

i have also smoked a few hits, or drank a glass or two of wine, and been able to compare those affects (as they compare to the absolute maximum of each respective drug)

anyway, this argument is silly, enjoy your alcohol, and just realize that pot isnt for you, but your experiences and bias on the subject doesnt dictate the way other people react to or experience the drug. you can never make a fair comparison or have an intelligent point of view on the subject, simply because you dont have experience in using both rec drugs, only the one (alcohol)

1) I have experience with both drugs. I used pot (albeit not every day) in high school. I'll admit I was never a true stoner, but I was definitely an occasional recreational user.

2) It is possible to form an "intelligent" point of view on a subject without experiencing it personally. I'd consider my view that heroin is dangerous to be "intelligent" even though I haven't taken the time to shoot any up.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Everyone is different. I can still interact and do daily duties of live while on. People as a whole seem to always take the worse possible info and share that as it's main focus. If you can handle the drug don't use it, it's a beautiful situation to be in if you can. Live is a choice and everyone reacts differently to situations that are the factors of the end results. In the end, do what's best for yourself individaully as long as it dosen't hinder you, what's the problem?

I hope being high didn't contribute to all those grammatical errors...

 

[-SD-]

I hope being high didn't contribute to all those grammatical errors...

Guess you havent read Needto's posts lol
Needto must be a complete stoner in that case lol

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Guess you havent read Needto's posts lol
Needto must be a complete stoner in that case lol

 

[-SD-]

lol @ Royce Gracie giving relationship advice

 

[Sub-Zero]

1) I have experience with both drugs. I used pot (albeit not every day) in high school. I'll admit I was never a true stoner, but I was definitely an occasional recreational user.

2) It is possible to form an "intelligent" point of view on a subject without experiencing it personally. I'd consider my view that heroin is dangerous to be "intelligent" even though I haven't taken the time to shoot any up.

your position that pot is less detrimental than alcohol, is along the same lines as someone saying steroids are more harmful than heroine

but hey lets agree to disagree, because we have different view points. just understand that your claim that pot is more biologically/physiologically harmful than alcohol will never hold true.

 

[25homes]

I'd go with the grass hands down way easier on the body, no hang over, plus I like the effects much more nothing like blazing a huge blunt of the real sticky icky plus you sleep like a baby

Sent from my HTC Glacier using Tapatalk

 

[PICK3]

2) It is possible to form an "intelligent" point of view on a subject without experiencing it personally. I'd consider my view that heroin is dangerous to be "intelligent" even though I haven't taken the time to shoot any up.

if that's the case ... guess I can't "intelligently" comment on your secretive alternative lifestyle


just sayin'



that's knot much of a secret

 

[mrplunkey]

your position that pot is less detrimental than alcohol, is along the same lines as someone saying steroids are more harmful than heroine

Even using the term "detrimental" is a flawed argument. Joe can drink a six pack a night. It may keep him from his goals (i.e. physical gains, family time... hell, he may even beat his wife/kids) but it won't leave him in a wake-and-bake fog where he chronically underachieves professionally and personally for years (or decades). Never mind his wife and children, who start life at a disadvantage because dad is happy blazing every evening with his xbox and sweeps floors for a living. Sure, he might avoid some of alcohol's physical detriments, but if dad is running around like a wayne's-world wanna-be it's going to hurt far more than him alone. In my opinion, that's what makes pot worse -- it can undermine the base drive that makes us strive to get better. I'll always believe it is a very insidious drug.

but hey lets agree to disagree, because we have different view points. just understand that your claim that pot is more biologically/physiologically harmful than alcohol will never hold true.

LOL! "Let's agree to disagree, but you can't be right". That's stoner logic at its finest.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Even using the term "detrimental" is a flawed argument. Joe can drink a six pack a night. It may keep him from his goals (i.e. physical gains, family time... hell, he may even beat his wife/kids) but it won't leave him in a wake-and-bake fog where he chronically underachieves professionally and personally for years (or decades). Never mind his wife and children, who start life at a disadvantage because dad is happy blazing every evening with his xbox and sweeps floors for a living. Sure, he might avoid some of alcohol's physical detriments, but if dad is running around like a wayne's-world wanna-be it's going to hurt far more than him alone. In my opinion, that's what makes pot worse -- it can undermine the base drive that makes us strive to get better. I'll always believe it is a very insidious drug.



LOL! "Let's agree to disagree, but you can't be right". That's stoner logic at its finest.

omg you are so dumb.

there is no such thing as a pot fog that you "wake up in"

you are describing a "hang over" and ya know what causes that? alcohol!

you must be trolling me at this point

 

[mrplunkey]

omg you are so dumb.

there is no such thing as a pot fog that you "wake up in"

you are describing a "hang over" and ya know what causes that? alcohol!

you must be trolling me at this point

Yeah, there probably isn't any such thing as "burnout" or "stoners".

Except that the scientific literature has studied it.

Even this guy thinks you aren't making any sense now:

 

[Lambruh]

If you pull 100 pot smokers and ask them if they have a pot fog the next day - 99% will say no

If you pull 100 alcoholics and ask them if they have a hangover the next day - 99% will say yes

that's a pretty factual statement imo

I'm not going to lie, in all my years of blazing i've never heard of shaking a morning bakeover

 

[-SD-]

I got high last night, someone should call me and see if Im in a fog or not

 

[mrplunkey]

I got high last night, someone should call me and see if Im in a fog or not

Let's try it this way. Tomorrow you are interviewing for the job of your lifetime. It's 4x what you'd want in pay and it is dead-on with how you envision your career. Your would-be boss is amazing in every way. You're a finalist in the #1 position for the job.

But there's a catch: You're going to take one more exam to complete your interview. It's LSAT/GRE-level logical arguments, critical thinking, logic games and reading comprehension. If you don't shine on the test, the job slips through your fingers.

So now, the night before the test, do you smoke? I don't mean smoking a stupid amount of pot, but definitely enough to feel the effects strongly. Think of it like me drinking three full glasses of wine.

You gonna risk it? If there's no next-day fog, shouldn't you partake?

 

[calveless wonder]

Let's try it this way. Tomorrow you are interviewing for the job of your lifetime. It's 4x what you'd want in pay and it is dead-on with how you envision your career. Your would-be boss is amazing in every way. You're a finalist in the #1 position for the job.

But there's a catch: You're going to take one more exam to complete your interview. It's LSAT/GRE-level logical arguments, critical thinking, logic games and reading comprehension. If you don't shine on the test, the job slips through your fingers.

So now, the night before the test, do you smoke? I don't mean smoking a stupid amount of pot, but definitely enough to feel the effects strongly. Think of it like me drinking three full glasses of wine.

You gonna risk it? If there's no next-day fog, shouldn't you partake?

What kind of ridiculous bullshit scenario is this?

Are you going to do ANYTHING mind altering before that test?

because if you drink or smoke before this test, you're a fuckin moron.

and if you get drunk, you probably won't even be able to wake up to take the test. you smoke and you'll just be a little sluggish till you have some coffee and it might take you a little bit longer to get ready.

 

[calveless wonder]

And you're STILL not addressing the inequities of consumption between pot and alcohol. 3 glasses of wine will give most people a pretty good buzz and probably give them at least a slight/moderate hangover, considering wine/champagne hangovers tend to be worse than light beer or liquor if consumed in equivalent total alcohol content.

 

[AFeedz]

And you're STILL not addressing the inequities of consumption. 3 glasses of wine will give most people a pretty good buzz and probably give them at least a slight/moderate hangover, considering wine/champagne hangovers tend to be worse than light beer or liquor if consumed in equivalent total alcohol content.

Disagree. My liquor hangovers are way worse than my wine hangovers. WAY worse.

 

[mrplunkey]

What kind of ridiculous bullshit scenario is this?

Are you going to do ANYTHING mind altering before that test?

because if you drink or smoke before this test, you're a fuckin moron.

and if you get drunk, you probably won't even be able to wake up to take the test. you smoke and you'll just be a little sluggish till you have some coffee and it might take you a little bit longer to get ready.

I wouldn't think twice about drinking two glasses of wine the night before the test. And my glasses run a little large, so technically it's probably closer to three glasses.

I wouldn't consider smoking the night before or really even the day before that. For me personally (N=1), it takes me 1-2 days to be able to do high-end mental tasks after using pot (or some harder drugs, for that matter).

 

[calveless wonder]

Disagree. My liquor hangovers are way worse than my wine hangovers. WAY worse.

a.) you said you never drink anymore

b.) I doubt when you have gotten drunk off wine you've downed like 2 bottles to the face. But i guarantee when you've drank liquor you've taken 10+ shots

obviously something more syrupy will make a difference too, as will cheap wine.

c.) Champagne (don't get me started on sparkling wine) is universally known to give you one of the worst hangovers. as someone who's drank Champagne regularly since high school, i can tell you i never feel worse than when drinking a bottle of champagne to the dome.

 

[mrplunkey]

Disagree. My liquor hangovers are way worse than my wine hangovers. WAY worse.

Same here. It takes an incredible amount of wine to hang me over, but 3-4 shots of hard liquor can sometimes do the trick.

 

[calveless wonder]

I wouldn't think twice about drinking two glasses of wine the night before the test. And my glasses run a little large, so technically it's probably closer to three glasses.

I wouldn't consider smoking the night before or really even the day before that. For me personally (N=1), it takes me 1-2 days to be able to do high-end mental tasks after using pot (or some harder drugs, for that matter).

three glasses of wine the night before an important test for a dream job?

That sounds like alcoholic tendencies.

 

[AFeedz]

a.) you said you never drink anymore

b.) I doubt when you have gotten drunk off wine you've downed like 2 bottles to the face. But i guarantee when you've drank liquor you've taken 10+ shots

obviously something more syrupy will make a difference too, as will cheap wine.

c.) Champagne (don't get me started on sparkling wine) is universally known to give you one of the worst hangovers. as someone who's drank Champagne regularly since high school, i can tell you i never feel worse than when drinking a bottle of champagne to the dome.

I don't drink anymore, and do you remember why? Because I drank too much. And there have been a couple instances I've drank plenty of wine, maybe not two bottles but I can think of a night I went through 2 bottles with a friend, so roughly 1 bottle and I don't remember the hangover being worse than liquor hangovers, and that's saying something considering I'm allergic to most wine.

And with champagne I've probably only ever had maybe 3 glasses at a time, but I don't remember waking up and feeling like death.

Just my experience.

 

[mrplunkey]

three glasses of wine the night before an important test for a dream job?

That sounds like alcoholic tendencies.

Yeah, but that sounds like unqualified Internet speculation from a stoner desperate for a bunch of e-people he's never met before to validate his recreational drug choices.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Yeah, there probably isn't any such thing as "burnout" or "stoners".

Except that the scientific literature has studied it.

Even this guy thinks you aren't making any sense now:

lol@ scientific literature studying "burnout" and "stoners". there is a reason why psychology programs are almost always a BA instead of a BS

alcohol on the other hand dehydrates you and fucks your liver up - literally poisons you and thus gives you a hang over

and just for the sake of leading you on (to be crushed in the end) say that indeed there is a "pot fog hang over"

do you honestly think this "groggy pot fog" is more detrimental to daily productivity than being severely dehydrated and puking ones guts out as the room spins?

 

[Sub-Zero]

Let's try it this way. Tomorrow you are interviewing for the job of your lifetime. It's 4x what you'd want in pay and it is dead-on with how you envision your career. Your would-be boss is amazing in every way. You're a finalist in the #1 position for the job.

But there's a catch: You're going to take one more exam to complete your interview. It's LSAT/GRE-level logical arguments, critical thinking, logic games and reading comprehension. If you don't shine on the test, the job slips through your fingers.

So now, the night before the test, do you smoke? I don't mean smoking a stupid amount of pot, but definitely enough to feel the effects strongly. Think of it like me drinking three full glasses of wine.

You gonna risk it? If there's no next-day fog, shouldn't you partake?

i would rather smoke 1 or 2 bowls the night before than drink 3 glasses of wine the night before. but in reality that quantity of each wont have an affect on your test the next day.

if it was a "you have to smoke till you pass the fuck out" or "drink till you pass the fuck out" scenario, id choose smoking, because if it was drinking, the majority of people would sleep through their alarm, and puke away half the morning

 

[calveless wonder]

Yeah, but that sounds like unqualified Internet speculation from a stoner desperate for a bunch of e-people he's never met before to validate his recreational drug choices.

I wouldn't be stupid enough to smoke or drink before a test like that.

a "stoner" doesn't smoke maybe 10-12 times total in the past 8 or 9 months.

you know what I did? I got drunk last night, and i'm hungover as balls.

Unlike you, i can look at things objectively.

clearly i struck a nerve because you got very defensive.

 

[Sub-Zero]

I wouldn't think twice about drinking two glasses of wine the night before the test. And my glasses run a little large, so technically it's probably closer to three glasses.

I wouldn't consider smoking the night before or really even the day before that. For me personally (N=1), it takes me 1-2 days to be able to do high-end mental tasks after using pot (or some harder drugs, for that matter).

theres an alcoholic in the closet, let it out so it can breath


nobody has ever spent the morning after a smoking night clutching their pillow vomiting. people do that all the time with alcohol. NON TOXIC VS TOXIC

/thread

 

[Sub-Zero]

Yeah, but that sounds like unqualified Internet speculation from a stoner desperate for a bunch of e-people he's never met before to validate his recreational drug choices.

this was the most ironic post of the entire fucking thread

 

[calveless wonder]

theres an alcoholic in the closet, let it out so it can breath


nobody has ever spent the morning after a smoking night clutching their pillow vomiting. people do that all the time with alcohol. NON TOXIC VS TOXIC

/thread

like i said, the minute i suggested that (not even at him, just the behavior), he started calling me a stoner and making childish remarks lol.

 

[Sub-Zero]

like i said, the minute i suggested that (not even at him, just the behavior), he started calling me a stoner and making childish remarks lol.

hes obviously got alot of emotion invested in his poorly in/formed opinions

i personally can name all the times iv smoked since june '10

1) with danno
2) with danno
3) with danno
4) with a friend who came to visit
5 6 7) a 3 day binge while helping nimbus move to CA
8) with jigga gold couple weeks ago

bold indicates multiple sessions occurring over this period

 

[mrplunkey]

lol@ scientific literature studying "burnout" and "stoners". there is a reason why psychology programs are almost always a BA instead of a BS

alcohol on the other hand dehydrates you and fucks your liver up - literally poisons you and thus gives you a hang over

and just for the sake of leading you on (to be crushed in the end) say that indeed there is a "pot fog hang over"

do you honestly think this "groggy pot fog" is more detrimental to daily productivity than being severely dehydrated and puking ones guts out as the room spins?

You're asking that question as my opinion, so here's what I really think. Both pot and alcohol have acute phases that obviously cause an altered mental state -- that's the whole point of taking them. Now let's assume that we're dealing with a modest but clinically effective dose of either drug. The alcohol user won't show impairment of higher-level mental function the next day. The pot user will. Does it mean the pot user can't grind through the day? Probably not. But does it mean they won't have the same initiative and clarity they otherwise would have had they not used pot? Probably so.

And to me, that's the most insidious thing about pot. It leads millions of users to quietly accept mediocrity. For many (and certainly not all) it becomes a daily wake-and-bake routine.

I also like listening to people who cite pot as a way to reduce stress/anxiety. Does it reduce anxiety in some people? It sure does. But guess what? Fear of failure is a great motivator. I don't want to wander through my day thinking everything is going to be just fine. The line between comfortable and complacent is razor thin and the last thing we need today are more people who should be neither using a drug that helps them feel both.

 

[Sub-Zero]

You're asking that question as my opinion, so here's what I really think. Both pot and alcohol have acute phases that obviously cause an altered mental state -- that's the whole point of taking them. Now let's assume that we're dealing with a modest but clinically effective dose of either drug. The alcohol user won't show impairment of higher-level mental function the next day. The pot user will. Does it mean the pot user can't grind through the day? Probably not. But does it mean they won't have the same initiative and clarity they otherwise would have had they not used pot? Probably so.

And to me, that's the most insidious thing about pot. It leads millions of users to quietly accept mediocrity. For many (and certainly not all) it becomes a daily wake-and-bake routine.

I also like listening to people who cite pot as a way to reduce stress/anxiety. Does it reduce anxiety in some people? It sure does. But guess what? Fear of failure is a great motivator. I don't want to wander through my day thinking everything is going to be just fine. The line between comfortable and complacent is razor thin and the last thing we need today are more people who should be neither using a drug that helps them feel both.

the thing you are mumbling up is the usage.

if someone "wakes and bakes" as part of their daily routine, they will probably be high going into work. if someone uses this 'clinically effective' (lol@ using that to describe alcohol consumption) amount for alcohol they will go in drunk to work.

drunk people are more noticeable than high people because of the affects of the drug - more clumsy, belligerent, loud, slurring their words, etc etc.

so yes, people who are high all day are "accepting mediocrity", but if someone drank at the same levels and frequency as you are describing your 'pot population', they would be drunk, and an alocholic, which would be obvious, and they would be fired immediately.

the last paragraph is just fucking retarded. smoking for me personally does not make me "wander through the day thinking everything is going to be fine". it actually gives me more anxiety.

 

[jiggagold]

"The alcohol user won't show impairment of higher-level mental function the next day"

Where do you get this shit?? That is about as false as pick3 sexing up a female.

My mental function is fucked the next day after drinking. I drank 3 drinks last night. I skipped the gym already and just ate a sandwich I never would buy if it wasn't for the alcohol fucking up my mental function.

 

[calveless wonder]

You're asking that question as my opinion, so here's what I really think. Both pot and alcohol have acute phases that obviously cause an altered mental state -- that's the whole point of taking them. Now let's assume that we're dealing with a modest but clinically effective dose of either drug. The alcohol user won't show impairment of higher-level mental function the next day. The pot user will. Does it mean the pot user can't grind through the day? Probably not. But does it mean they won't have the same initiative and clarity they otherwise would have had they not used pot? Probably so.

And to me, that's the most insidious thing about pot. It leads millions of users to quietly accept mediocrity. For many (and certainly not all) it becomes a daily wake-and-bake routine.

I also like listening to people who cite pot as a way to reduce stress/anxiety. Does it reduce anxiety in some people? It sure does. But guess what? Fear of failure is a great motivator. I don't want to wander through my day thinking everything is going to be just fine. The line between comfortable and complacent is razor thin and the last thing we need today are more people who should be neither using a drug that helps them feel both.

And there is the fallacy in your entire argument. You're using your scope of what people "should be", from your point of view. Not everyone wants to bust their ass and be successful and rich, whether they smoke pot or not. Some people are content living a simple life. It's not necessarily causal.

Not everyone has ambition like you or me, and that's just a fact of life. Pot has little to do with that. upbringing and personal preferences do.

The hole in argument is also poked when you have many doctors, lawyers and successful public figures/entertainers who smoke. The weed delivery services in NYC, guess who they cater to? Investment bankers and other professionals mostly. I'm sure the median income of their clients is probably $200,000 -300,000 or so.

 

[jiggagold]

the sandwich was shitty too

 

[Sub-Zero]

the sandwich was shitty too

what kind?

today is my carb up day.

im going to eat 280 carbs!! and bench, so excited

 

[-SD-]

the sandwich was shitty too

this is funny as fuck and dont know why *


*no high

 

[jiggagold]

i had a chicken chipotle on wheat with provolone and onions from jersey mikes.

 

[jiggagold]

and a smoothie with added whey protein

im taking a shit now

it smells too

 

[-SD-]

and a smoothie with added whey protein

im taking a shit now

it smells too

Should have drank alcohol then your shit wont stink rob

 

[calveless wonder]

Should have drank alcohol then your shit wont stink rob

i LOLed

 

[mrplunkey]

Still no takers to smoke the night before the dream job test?

 

[jiggagold]

ill smoke before im driving there and ace that bitch

 

[AFeedz]

Still no takers to smoke the night before the dream job test?

That's too unique of an example. I wouldn't smoke before such test, but only because I'd rather be preparing and sleeping, not because I think my mind would be altered, maybe if I spent the whole previous day smoking, but if that night I had a couple hits, I'm sure I'd be fine.

I also wouldn't run a marathon before the test so I wouldn't be too exhausted to think clearly, but I wouldn't say a marathon is bad for you any other time.

 

[-SD-]

I wouldnt drink the night before the dream job test either.

 

[redshirt27se]

Still no takers to smoke the night before the dream job test?

That's such an awful example. I wouldn't do it, but it has nothing to do with a hypothetical "pot fog." I can think of tons of reasons not to, and none have anything to do with the morning of.

 

[calveless wonder]

alcohol is the reason it's 5 o clock and i haven't done anything today except lay in bed, watch playoff basketball and post on EF.

i think i got up to pee and answer the door for food

 

[jiggagold]

training for that soft summer body breh?

 

[calveless wonder]

training for that soft summer body breh?

GH prevents me from getting fat, but i haven't been helping it much lately.

now that my semester is over im gonna hit the gym hard and get my diet in order.

since i had my gyno surgery my training and diet have been garbage. partially because i was out of the gym for 2 months, and partially because my gyno made me insecure and train harder to make it not noticeable lol

now that its gone its like wtf?

 

[jiggagold]

let me get some GH

 

[Sub-Zero]

That's such an awful example. I wouldn't do it, but it has nothing to do with a hypothetical "pot fog." I can think of tons of reasons not to, and none have anything to do with the morning of.

dude totally see myself getting really high and having an anxiety attack from thinking so hard about my future and how this job is make or break and just trip myself out lol

paranoia!

 

[mrplunkey]

That's such an awful example. I wouldn't do it, but it has nothing to do with a hypothetical "pot fog." I can think of tons of reasons not to, and none have anything to do with the morning of.

Still not a single person who'd smoke before the big job test?

I wouldn't hesitate to have two full (three, technically) glasses of wine. I'd never even know it the next day.

C'mon stoners! Represent!

 

[jiggagold]

I would hit a bong.

My dream job is to test weed anyway

 

[redshirt27se]

Still not a single person who'd smoke before the big job test?

I wouldn't hesitate to have two full (three, technically) glasses of wine. I'd never even know it the next day.

C'mon stoners! Represent!

No, I wouldn't. I also wouldn't have a single beer or glass of wine either. I'd be more preoccupied with getting a good nights sleep and brushing up on whatever subject the test was on. Whether or not either substance has an effect on you the next day is irrelevant in this example, it's about not doing drugs the night before an event that has career changing ramifications.

 

[Sub-Zero]

No, I wouldn't. I also wouldn't have a single beer or glass of wine either. I'd be more preoccupied with getting a good nights sleep and brushing up on whatever subject the test was on. Whether or not either substance has an effect on you the next day is irrelevant in this example, it's about not doing drugs the night before an event that has career changing ramifications.

mr plunky would have 4 glasses of wine and wouldnt even feel shit!!!




thats how hard he parties!



4 glasses of wine for mr plunkey, is like rinsing with mouthwash for the avarage human

thats how often he gets wasted!!!


mr plunkey HAS to have 4 glasses of wine before a test, otherwise he feels drunk!!!


GET CRUNK !!!

 

[-SD-]

GH prevents me from getting fat, but i haven't been helping it much lately.

now that my semester is over im gonna hit the gym hard and get my diet in order.

since i had my gyno surgery my training and diet have been garbage. partially because i was out of the gym for 2 months, and partially because my gyno made me insecure and train harder to make it not noticeable lol

now that its gone its like wtf?

Your gyno was the muse on your shoulder rob

lolo

 

[Sub-Zero]

Your gyno was the muse on your shoulder rob

lolo

does letro reverse shoulder gyno or is surgery required?

 

[PICK3]

Still not a single person who'd smoke before the big job test?

I wouldn't hesitate to have two full (three, technically) glasses of wine. I'd never even know it the next day.

C'mon stoners! Represent!

I hit on the glass cawk

 

[mrplunkey]

I hit on the glass cawk

I'm assuming you mean a glass dildo, not a pipe?