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blueta2

blueta2

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As some of you know, I'm struggling big time with lyme disease.
There is a movie that was made with the help of Amy Tan (Joy Luck club) because she too has lyme.
This movie is being considered for a few film festivals but no word yet

If you are interested, click on the trailer and read some of the site.
The experts predict lyme is the next pandemic and will surpass hiv.

Those living in the NY, NJ and PA area are at the highest risk for lyme.

Anyway, if you have a chance, check this out.

http://www.openeyepictures.com/underourskin/index.html
 
SublimeZM said:
cant you just get rid of it with anti biotics?
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Only if you catch it right after a bite. Most people don't even know they have been bitten.
The EM (or bullseye) rash only shows up in 30% of cases. Most people think they have a flu (like I did). So if you're one of the lucky ones to have seen the rash, then yes abx will kill the bacteria in a few months.
If you never saw a rash and let it go for yrs, then it becomes chronic then many yrs of abx is needed and doesn't always kill the bacteria. There are many diff forms of the bacteria that make up lyme.
Some respond to meds, some do not. Most of these bacteria can live in your body (tissues) for life

The problem with lyme, NO ONE really knows how to cure it.
 
gotmilk said:
have you tried r-alpha lipoic acid?
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ALA is a metal remover. To remove mercury out of the blood. It works by not killing the lyme bacteria but to improve immune function.
And no, I'm not using that yet, but am waiting to get my fillings out before I use any metal removers
 
vixensghost said:
Poor Blue. What a horrible diease!

STAY strong lil lady.
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Nah, I'm cool, I'm sick as hell, but I think this will change my life for the better.
I'm staying strong.......I think ;-)
 
blueta2 said:
Nah, I'm cool, I'm sick as hell, but I think this will change my life for the better.
I'm staying strong.......I think ;-)
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Keep positive lady. I hope the other person around here with your condition speaks up on this thread. I'd not want to disclose who she is, since I have no idea if she'd want that information out.

Keep up that positive attitude, J. :heart: :)
 
She has it but is not being treated with traditional meds but alternative.
I'm sure she can add some good info.

I made this thread, because it's important to spread the word.

Here is what's truly scary about Lyme


There are also controversies surrounding the transmission of Lyme disease. All would agree that the blacklegged tick and the Western blacklegged tick are the primary vectors of the disease. These small ticks, no bigger than a poppy seed in their larval and nymphal stages, feed by piercing the skin of a host with their mouthparts and releasing the bacteria into the bloodstream. Some studies suggest that other insects may also transmit Lyme. Many believe that human-to-human contact is contributing to this epidemic. One physician's caseload includes hundreds of children whom he believes were infected while in utero or while breastfeeding. Lyme disease may be transmittable via blood transfusions, and sexual transmission has not been ruled out.
 
and this....How many out there are sick with Lyme but were diagnosed with another illness like I was, I was told I had lupus

Lyme disease has been called the new "great imitator" because of its ability to mimic other diseases. Patients are routinely told they might have multiple sclerosis, Lou Gehrig's disease, fibromyalgia, systemic Lupus, Alzheimer's, chronic fatigue syndrome or rheumatoid arthritis. According to one physician, there is not one diagnostic feature of Lyme disease, except for the rash, that is different from any of these other conditions.
 
gotmilk said:
We get people in Maine with Lyme disease all the time...

High dose vitamins thru IV's works wonders
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The disease is endemic (ie. most prevalent) in Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Wisconsin. However as you said, it is basically everywhere now in the States (esp. where there are nymphal vector ticks). It's a shame Canada has such a fucked up policy on this.
 
blueta2 said:
She has it but is not being treated with traditional meds but alternative.
I'm sure she can add some good info.

I made this thread, because it's important to spread the word.

Here is what's truly scary about Lyme


There are also controversies surrounding the transmission of Lyme disease. All would agree that the blacklegged tick and the Western blacklegged tick are the primary vectors of the disease. These small ticks, no bigger than a poppy seed in their larval and nymphal stages, feed by piercing the skin of a host with their mouthparts and releasing the bacteria into the bloodstream. Some studies suggest that other insects may also transmit Lyme. Many believe that human-to-human contact is contributing to this epidemic. One physician's caseload includes hundreds of children whom he believes were infected while in utero or while breastfeeding. Lyme disease may be transmittable via blood transfusions, and sexual transmission has not been ruled out.
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I'm glad that she's spoken to you. I was goimg to PM her to see if she had. :)
 
MM69, you are so right. Canada does not want to recognize lyme. They feel it's a US issue. Like ticks and birds and bugs need a passport to enter.....ugh! And not only that, I've been to NY state, NJ, Penn, Boston many times.

They have entire wards in montreal hosp dedicated to tropical disease b/c they acknowledge tropical illness is brought in from vacationers and out of towners but they will NOT admit lyme is in Canada.

We don't even have proper testing. I had to send my blood to the US and my lyme dr is in NY
 
you guys rock, thanks for listening. I know this is a BB site, but our health is imperative and I need to get the word out.
I hope you all watch the trailer of the movie and read about it b/c trust me, it will affect someone you know sooner than later.

Hugs
 
The CDC estimates that 1.8 million new cases of Lyme Disease occur every year in the US. The likelyhood of you getting properly diagnosed is pretty slim too. Most likely you'll suffer like hell through the acute phase, then settle down to chronic and progressive ailments with doctors giving you "diagnoses" that are really just labels of your symptoms rather than discovery of the root causes. Oh and by then you'll be in the disseminated phase where even gram dosages of IV antibiotics probably wont cure you and your insurance company will refuse to cover proper treatment.


Peeps do you have any friends or family with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Benign Fasciculation Syndrome, MS, unexplained chronic headaches, dizzyness, early onset arthritis, tinnitis, intermittent unexplained fevers, chronic GI tract ailments, unexplained muscle and/or back pain, scatica, and about any number of another dozen or so chronic unexplained ailments? If you do then you may know someone who actually has Lyme Disease, but their doc is too fucking ignorant to know how to properly diagnose them.

Lyme Disease is not a rare condition. People just think it is.
 
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RottenWillow said:
The CDC estimates that 1.8 million new cases of Lyme Disease occur every year in the US. The likelyhood of you getting properly diagnosed is pretty slim too. Most likely you'll suffer like hell through the acute phase, then settle down to chronic and progressive ailments with doctors giving you "diagnoses" that are really just labels of your symptoms rather than discovery of the root causes. Oh and by then you'll be in the disseminated phase where even gram dosages of IV antibiotics probably wont cure you and your insurance company will refuse to cover proper treatment.


Peeps do you have any friends or family with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Benign Fasciculation Syndrome, MS, unexplained chronic headaches, dizzyness, early onset arthritis, tinnitis, intermittent unexplained fevers, chronic GI tract ailments, unexplained muscle and/or back pain, scatica, and about any number of another dozen or so chronic unexplained ailments? If you do then you may know someone who actually has Lyme Disease, but their doc is too fucking ignorant to know how to properly diagnose them.

Lyme Disease is not a rare condition. People just think it is.











I went 15 months getting progressively sicker before I was diagnosed, and even then
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Hey RW, so glad u could join me.
Did you see the trailer or hear of the movie?


I too was sick for 13 yrs being told I had CFS then Lupus and only last Aug was I given the grim news, but then it was too late.
And to boot, not one dr diagnosed me, I did, by searching the net. I found the lab, and the lyme dr. Now my Rheumatogist is all ears with me ;-)
 
jnevin said:
Yeah. Because a documentary will make it better.
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I'm fighting for my life as are many others with this illness and yes getting the word out there will make it better.

How do you think the word of lyme should be told as to get people to listen?
 
blueta2 said:
I'm fighting for my life as are many others with this illness and yes getting the word out there will make it better.

How do you think the word of lyme should be told as to get people to listen?
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Insect repellant.
 
I read that article, pretty sad how often people are misdiagnosed and how many times it can happen to one person. Hope you get better Blueta, doesn’t sound fun.
 
trizo said:
I read that article, pretty sad how often people are misdiagnosed and how many times it can happen to one person. Hope you get better Blueta, doesn’t sound fun.
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Yeah, it's a crazy illness. Thanks for reading and thanks for the kind words.
 
jnevin said:
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You know what, I'm bed ridden and been off work for over 2 months fighting an illness that can kill me and u can talk like this.
If someone had cancer would u talk like this?
You're actually an evil soul!
Seriously J......fuck off!
 
heavy_duty said:
Man I think my sister inlaw might have this disease.
for 10 years they have been running tests on her.
wtf?
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have her check out some lyme disease info to see if she fits the profile.
There are only TWO (yes 2) Lyme doc in all of Canada and one is in TO.
Let me know if u need any help
 
jnevin said:
Oh. You're a victim? I'm shocked.
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hey bro I am all for giving women shit.

But, when some has a disease or whatever. It is not cool


Just chill for a few minutes. I promise you one of the girls will do something seeking attention, irrational, etc.

Then, let them have it!
 
blueta2 said:
alpha lipoic acid is a metal remover. To remove mercury out of the blood. It works by not killing the lyme bacteria but to improve immune function.
And no, I'm not using that yet, but am waiting to get my fillings out before I use any metal removers
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alot of us joosers user it because it helps remove toxins from our bloodstream and prevents toxic buildup in the cell.
 
blueta2 said:
You know what, I'm bed ridden and been off work for over 2 months fighting an illness that can kill me

Had no idea this could be so bad. Heard of aches and pains but never anything this bad. Hope you get through this soon.
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Bummin said:
blueta2 said:
You know what, I'm bed ridden and been off work for over 2 months fighting an illness that can kill me

Had no idea this could be so bad. Heard of aches and pains but never anything this bad. Hope you get through this soon.
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i didn't either
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good luck and I hope you find a cure.
or someone does.

I worry about it a lot, living in the woods.
 
stilleto said:
good luck and I hope you find a cure.
or someone does.

I worry about it a lot, living in the woods.
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A cure or a vaccine would be nice.
Yeah G, your state has a high rate, so keep watch for the bites. If u get a tick in you, u can send it for free to a government lab. If u need any info, let me know
 
Bummin said:
blueta2 said:
You know what, I'm bed ridden and been off work for over 2 months fighting an illness that can kill me

Had no idea this could be so bad. Heard of aches and pains but never anything this bad. Hope you get through this soon.
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to be honest, when I used to hear about lyme, I had no clue it was this bad until I was diagnosed and met and spoke with others. So many have it worse than me, There is one lady who lives near me who has lyme and she's been houseound in a wheelchair for years.
It all depends on which lyme co infection hits you to determine how bad your symptoms will be. But again, no real testing for co infections either.
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I didn't know you couldn't just treat it and get rid of it right away!

get well soon, pretty lady!
 
gotmilk said:
alot of us joosers user it because it helps remove toxins from our bloodstream and prevents toxic buildup in the cell.
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It works well with Chlorrela also. They both extract metals and crap out of the blood so the liver gets a rest.

Do u think it works well? I want to try it but am taking so many sups now my head spins.
 
heatherrae said:
I didn't know you couldn't just treat it and get rid of it right away!
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Potentially, you could. The biggest problems lie elsewhere.



If 99% of the board certified physicians in our country werent inexcusably ignorant of how to spot the signs and sxs of neuroborreliosis, Babeosis, etc, then you could immediately get treated with large doses of antibiotics for 2-3 months and have a relatively good chance of nuking it entirely.
 
blueta2 said:
It works well with Chlorrela also. They both extract metals and crap out of the blood so the liver gets a rest.

Do u think it works well? I want to try it but am taking so many sups now my head spins.
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Also cilantro, mija. Buncha stuff binds metals. Even taking large amounts of beneficial minerals can effectively displace the harmful stuff.

Aluminum is the real bitch though b/c it's sticky. Doesnt want to let go of the tissue once it's bound.
 
RottenWillow said:
Also cilantro, mija. Buncha stuff binds metals. Even taking large amounts of beneficial minerals can effectively displace the harmful stuff.

Aluminum is the real bitch though b/c it's sticky. Doesnt want to let go of the tissue once it's bound.
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Yeah just last night I heard about Cilantro. I'm going to chelate but only after my fillings are out. I had an appoint to get them out for Monday but been in bed since.
As soon as they are all out, I'm going to be eating cilantro and garlic with everything.
Right now just eating lots of eggs for the sulpher.

But I tell ya girl, I'm going to stop these abx b/c they are harsh. I'm going to do all herbs like you're doing and see where that gets me. I think 3 months of abx may have killed most of the load.
 
blueta2 said:
Only if you catch it right after a bite. Most people don't even know they have been bitten.
The EM (or bullseye) rash only shows up in 30% of cases. Most people think they have a flu (like I did). So if you're one of the lucky ones to have seen the rash, then yes abx will kill the bacteria in a few months.
If you never saw a rash and let it go for yrs, then it becomes chronic then many yrs of abx is needed and doesn't always kill the bacteria. There are many diff forms of the bacteria that make up lyme.
Some respond to meds, some do not. Most of these bacteria can live in your body (tissues) for life

The problem with lyme, NO ONE really knows how to cure it.
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my wife got the bullseye but never got any symptoms. . .they treated her anyway. . .my one daughter got bell's palsy (some of the muscles in her face were temporarily paralyzed) and then she got the bullseye. . .they treated her and there have been no relapses. . .

a couple of interesting facts. . .

a large majority of people are more or less immune to lyme disease. . .in fact they can actually carry the disease and test positive for it, but they will never develop any symptoms or get "sick". . .

you can even get lyme disease from a deer tick when it is in the larval stage of development. . .during the larval stage, the tick is opaque (you can see right through it. . .thus it's very difficult to detect) and in that stage they are so light that the wind can carry them for fairly great distances. . .no sense trying to hide from them. . .
 
digimon7068 said:
a large majority of people are more or less immune to lyme disease. . .in fact they can actually carry the disease and test positive for it, but they will never develop any symptoms or get "sick". . .
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I understand what you're getting at, but that's not quite accurate.

One cant be immune to lyme disease. LD is a pretty loose term describing a constellation of symptoms people can develop when exposed to several different bacterial and protozoan infections. If you dont have the symptoms then you dont have "lyme disease". If a person gets exposed to say (Bb) borrellia burgdorferi only, and is an adult with a healthy, active immune system, then it is certainly possible her defenses can keep the bacteria in check and she'll never get sick or at least not get sick for many years.

If, however, you get bit by some little bastard with Bb, and the protozoan infection, Babesia Microti, and 2 or 3 of the other bacterial infections that are often carried by ticks, mosquitoes, and stinging flies, then you'll unfortunately get sick for sure. That's just too many fronts for your immune system to successfully wage war against.
 
Wow. I had Lyme disease about 15 years ago. It manifested as the bullseye rash, Balls Palsy and a terrible flu, complete with hallucinations. It went away almost immediatley after the start of antibiotics.
Is it that the disease has changed over the course of time?
 
SanFran, the disease has not changed over time. You caught yours in time so it was treatable. Most people don't know they carry it and it becomes chronic. Once chronic, it's harder to get rid of because the bacteria become almost part of your DNA.
It may take years of antibiotics to get rid of it, and even then most never recover.
 
RottenWillow said:
I understand what you're getting at, but that's not quite accurate.

One cant be immune to lyme disease. LD is a pretty loose term describing a constellation of symptoms people can develop when exposed to several different bacterial and protozoan infections. If you dont have the symptoms then you dont have "lyme disease". If a person gets exposed to say (Bb) borrellia burgdorferi only, and is an adult with a healthy, active immune system, then it is certainly possible her defenses can keep the bacteria in check and she'll never get sick or at least not get sick for many years.

If, however, you get bit by some little bastard with Bb, and the protozoan infection, Babesia Microti, and 2 or 3 of the other bacterial infections that are often carried by ticks, mosquitoes, and stinging flies, then you'll unfortunately get sick for sure. That's just too many fronts for your immune system to successfully wage war against.
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my wife's doctor (who treated my wife and my daughter) contracted lyme disease and, as a result, did a significant amount of research on it and her conclusion (which has been published and for which she does regular speaking engagements) is that only about 5% of the population is susceptible to the disease. . .i used the word "immunity" because i'm a cpa and i don't know jack about medicine. . .but her conclusion is that lots of people get bit by infected ticks, yet very few ever get "sick". . .also, if i'm not mistaken, the "immunity" (if you will) is associated with genetic traits (of the bitee) rather than the immune system perse. . .
 
is there some sort of shot you can take once a year or something if you live in those areas to fight off the disease?
Preventative care?
 
hey Klu.....no, there is no vaccine for it. They did have a vaccine for it way back, but it was actually making people pretty sick. I don't know a lot about the former vaccine, but for now, there is nothing. This is what the big controversy is all about, there is not enough funding or research to delvelop a vaccine.
 
digimon7068 said:
my wife's doctor (who treated my wife and my daughter) contracted lyme disease and, as a result, did a significant amount of research on it and her conclusion (which has been published and for which she does regular speaking engagements) is that only about 5% of the population is susceptible to the disease. . .i used the word "immunity" because i'm a cpa and i don't know jack about medicine. . .but her conclusion is that lots of people get bit by infected ticks, yet very few ever get "sick". . .also, if i'm not mistaken, the "immunity" (if you will) is associated with genetic traits (of the bitee) rather than the immune system perse. . .
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I guess it's possible, but if someone has lyme, there is always a chance the disease can ignite with a stressfull event.
I've had it for 13 yrs (not knowing) and got sick on and off, but in this last year (after having a minor surgery), my symptoms flared.

What's the name of the Dr. Just an initial. Is she a Lyme (LLMD) doc or just a doc that had lyme? does she treat other lyme patients?
My Lyme dr was also infected with lyme as was her son. My Dr was housebound for a year with hers.
 
blueta2 said:
I guess it's possible, but if someone has lyme, there is always a chance the disease can ignite with a stressfull event.
I've had it for 13 yrs (not knowing) and got sick on and off, but in this last year (after having a minor surgery), my symptoms flared.

What's the name of the Dr. Just an initial. Is she a Lyme (LLMD) doc or just a doc that had lyme? does she treat other lyme patients?
My Lyme dr was also infected with lyme as was her son. My Dr was housebound for a year with hers.
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she became an expert after she got the disease and damn near died. . .after that she began to seek out every opportunity available (conferences, seminars, continuing ed, etc.) to educate herself on the subject. . .as a result of her zeal, she has become a recognized expert in the field in our part of the world. . .i'll find out her name. . .she's my wife's doc and she's not one of my clients so i don't remember her name right off the top of my head. . .
 
digimon7068 said:
she became an expert after she got the disease and damn near died. . .after that she began to seek out every opportunity available (conferences, seminars, continuing ed, etc.) to educate herself on the subject. . .as a result of her zeal, she has become a recognized expert in the field in our part of the world. . .i'll find out her name. . .she's my wife's doc and she's not one of my clients so i don't remember her name right off the top of my head. . .
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This is surely an illness you become an expert on once you get it.
I hope she continues to get the word out there.
 
blueta2 said:
She has it but is not being treated with traditional meds but alternative.
I'm sure she can add some good info.

I made this thread, because it's important to spread the word.

Here is what's truly scary about Lyme


There are also controversies surrounding the transmission of Lyme disease. All would agree that the blacklegged tick and the Western blacklegged tick are the primary vectors of the disease. These small ticks, no bigger than a poppy seed in their larval and nymphal stages, feed by piercing the skin of a host with their mouthparts and releasing the bacteria into the bloodstream. Some studies suggest that other insects may also transmit Lyme. Many believe that human-to-human contact is contributing to this epidemic. One physician's caseload includes hundreds of children whom he believes were infected while in utero or while breastfeeding. Lyme disease may be transmittable via blood transfusions, and sexual transmission has not been ruled out.
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I always remember freaking out whenever a tick got on or even near me.

Damn this thread makes you realize how much is out there and how much we have yet to learn about it all.
 
Blue,

Be damned careful when they pull your fillings to load on Vitamin C and E before and after. I'm sure you've done the research, but pulling the fillings releases a major mercury hit into the bloodstream and you'll want a pile of C/E there WHEN the mercury gets there so it gets chelated and pulled out before getting to the organs.

Hella disease there, sorry to hear about it!
 
wlmcrae said:
Blue,

Be damned careful when they pull your fillings to load on Vitamin C and E before and after. I'm sure you've done the research, but pulling the fillings releases a major mercury hit into the bloodstream and you'll want a pile of C/E there WHEN the mercury gets there so it gets chelated and pulled out before getting to the organs.

Hella disease there, sorry to hear about it!
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Hey cool, someone who knows something about this.
Thanks. Yeah I'll be chelating a little before and a ALOT after.
I got some Chlorella and will also do some Cilantro and some ALA. I also heard of somethinh called Algin. Ever hear of that?
Vit C is not one of the sups that agrees with me, but will do lose dose.

My dentist will also put a dam and another air source/or high suction.

thanks so much for your input :-)
 
hanselthecaretaker said:
I always remember freaking out whenever a tick got on or even near me.

Damn this thread makes you realize how much is out there and how much we have yet to learn about it all.
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the scary part is you can also get it from other sources like mosquitos. fleas, black flies etc.

I started this thread b/c I wanted to show the importance of this illness and for people to really keep their eyes peeled.
thanks for checking out the thread :-)
 
heavy_duty said:
how does average Joe protect himself from this?
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well, no one can protect themselves. All you can do is try to watch out for unknown rashes or any flu like symtoms that don't go away.
Until this disease is recognized, there will be little funding for research and with research can come a vaccine.

Early treatment is key to killing the infection.
They know that lyme is also in the blood supply.
 
samoth said:
It wasn't directed to anyone specifically.

There's mercury in fillings? I so never knew that.

Didn't mean to interrupt the thread... :D



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no, that's cool. Lyme sufferers or anyone with Chronic illness is encouraged to remove their fillings so it's on the topic.

Yes there is mercury in fillings. Every time you eat or drink something warm, mercury is released into the blood. But only in silver fillings, not ceramic
 
blueta2 said:
well, no one can protect themselves. All you can do is try to watch out for unknown rashes or any flu like symtoms that don't go away.
Until this disease is recognized, there will be little funding for research and with research can come a vaccine.

Early treatment is key to killing the infection.
They know that lyme is also in the blood supply.
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I think everybody should ask their GP if he/she thinks LD is "real" then they'll know for the future.

I'm gonna ask our pediatrician next time I see him too.
 
javaguru said:
I'm not a physician but shouldn't antibiotics take care of it?
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Abx take care of it completely if it's caught in time.
When it's not detected or caught and lingers for years (like mine), abx don't always work.
I speak to some people who have been on abx for 2, 3, 4 maybe 5 yrs.
Lyme dr's are not sure how much or how little work. There is not enough research into it.
Many people are actually on IV abx for months at a time.
So far, I've been on 3 diff abx (at the same time) at the highest doses and I don't feel any better.
I'm going to be doing homeopathy which seems to help many with chronic lyme.
 
heavy_duty said:
I think everybody should ask their GP if he/she thinks LD is "real" then they'll know for the future.

I'm gonna ask our pediatrician next time I see him too.
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Most dr's will not know anything about lyme. My Dr here believes very much in lyme. He runs the largest lupus clinic in the city here and when he went to his collagues to ask their opinion on lyme, they replied that lyme is not in Canada. Which is a joke since ticks and bugs don't need passports to cross the border of NY where the highest lyme rate in the world is.
Also, I've been to NY state prob over 100 times in my life.

But yes ask your dr's. I would be curious to see what they think.
 
blueta, i didnt know, nor did i know anything about this disease till this thread, i know your strong enough to pull thru this and get back on your feet, im sure theres many here to help keep you strong including me, get better blue
 
xrsist said:
blueta, i didnt know, nor did i know anything about this disease till this thread, i know your strong enough to pull thru this and get back on your feet, im sure theres many here to help keep you strong including me, get better blue
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thanks sweetie :-)

I started the thread to spread the word. It's close to my heart now and I want to let others know to be cautious.
My strength is being CHALLENGED in a big way with this, but I'm going to kick lyme's ASS ;-)
Thanks again........hug :-)
 
blueta2 said:
thanks sweetie :-)

I started the thread to spread the word. It's close to my heart now and I want to let others know to be cautious.
My strength is being CHALLENGED in a big way with this, but I'm going to kick lyme's ASS ;-)
Thanks again........hug :-)
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your more than welcome blue
thats the spirit, kick its ass to the gutter!
:)
 
samoth said:
Just curious, but how does this happen?



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Hey, looks like Blue already got this. Fillings (amalgam or 'silver' fillings) are composed of mercury, silver and a few other metals, with mercury making up to 50% of the filling by weight, depending on composition. Amalgam is considered toxic waste and must be treated as such prior to insertion in teeth. Any scraps must also be treated as toxic waste.

The real kicker though is this: mercury VAPORS (off-gassing) which are absorbed through the tissues (mouth or skin) are far more neuro-toxic than mercury that is ingested. In other words, the off-gassing from 'new' fillings, from 'destabilized fillings' (bruxism - night grinding, hot or very acidic food, placing a GOLD filling (two metals+saliva=battery), etc.) or from removing fillings (broken filling, cosmetic, health purposes) is actually worse than straight eating the stuff.

Personally, I had my fillings replaced with composite (the stuff used on front teeth regularly), not ceramic. Ceramics are good, but can contribute to tooth shatter over the long haul - my 2cents! My issues were straight up neurotoxicity - get new filling, get suicidal depression for six weeks right out of the blue. Get over depression, get new filling, repeat. Took about three tries to pick up the connection!
 
Vagabino said:
doesn't that help keep tics off though? what else can you do, short of not going in the woods?
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well keeping ticks off is a good start, but since they are unsure if it's spread by other insects, there really is no sure way.
That's why it's scary.

I'm also now hearing one can get it from eating Venison.

It's going to take research to prove most of this. But you know, I was never bit by a tick (that I know of) and have lyme.
 
blueta2 said:
well keeping ticks off is a good start, but since they are unsure if it's spread by other insects, there really is no sure way.
That's why it's scary.

I'm also now hearing one can get it from eating Venison.

It's going to take research to prove most of this. But you know, I was never bit by a tick (that I know of) and have lyme.
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i've had sheetloads of tics on me...outside a lot in the summer
nasty lil buggers
 
Vagabino said:
i've had sheetloads of tics on me...outside a lot in the summer
nasty lil buggers
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next time, send the tick to any governement lab for testing and also check for a rash and or symptoms.

What part of the US do u live in?
 
blueta2 said:
next time, send the tick to any governement lab for testing and also check for a rash and or symptoms.

What part of the US do u live in?
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northern part of michigan
deer tic country
 
Right now I'm trying a cocktail of six herbs shown to be toxic to borrelia in vitro. Big difference between killing Bb in a petrie dish and killing it in the deep tissue of the human body though. A naturopath is running human trials on people with lyme disease and I'm getting a blend of the herbs listed individually below. I can only think of five of them off-hand though.

http://store.nexternal.com/shared/S...oreType=BtoC&Count1=70385158&Count2=987525582

Bulk plants: Ajos Sacha
Extracts: Bellaco-Caspi, Chanca Piedra, Huacapu, Matico and Tamamuri.


After two weeks I can say for sure my arthritic pain has gotten noticably worse and I think my headaches are worse too. Hopefully this is the Jaris-Herxheimer effect and the bacteria is actually being killed off. I cant take the amount of detox herbs while taking this stuff as I was previously so maybe my symptoms will really remit when I cycle off this therapeutic stuff and detox for a week or more.

If you've tested positive on lab tests for Borellia Burgdorferi and any of the common associated infections you can email Admin of the linked site to participate in the trial. The herbal blend of all six herbs will be provided free of charge if you are within the first 100 to apply. Otherwise you'll have to purchase the herbs and get them individually.
 
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RottenWillow said:
Right now I'm trying a cocktail of six herbs shown to be toxic to borrelia in vitro. Big difference between killing Bb in a petrie dish and killing it in the deep tissue of the human body though. A naturopath is running human trials on people with lyme disease and I'm getting a blend of the herbs listed individually below. I can only think of five of them off-hand though.

http://store.nexternal.com/shared/S...oreType=BtoC&Count1=70385158&Count2=987525582

Bulk plants: Ajos Sacha
Extracts: Bellaco-Caspi, Chanca Piedra, Huacapu, and Matico.


After two weeks I can say for sure my arthritic pain has gotten noticably worse and I think my headaches are worse too. Hopefully this is the Jaris-Herxheimer effect and the bacteria is actually being killed off. I cant take the amount of detox herbs while taking this stuff as I was previously so maybe my symptoms will really remit when I cycle off this therapeutic stuff and detox for a week or more.

If you've tested positive on lab tests for Borellia Burgdorferi and any of the common associated infections you can email Admin of the linked site to participate in the trial. The herbal blend of all six herbs will be provided free of charge if you are within the first 100 to apply. Otherwise you'll have to purchase the herbs and get them individually.
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Hey, good info.
I'm stopping all abx in 3 weeks and will get a coctail from my homeopath from there.
I met a women on my lyme site who's daughter is being treated with herbs from lyme specialist. I can email you her list if you want to see it.

I've not been tested for any co infections b/c they are unreliable and don't want to dish out the funds for it. I know Frye is good, but not sure it's full proof.
I am sure I have bart though.

And girl, you just know you're having a herx....good sign. Kill those bugs.
Detox baths really helped when I was herxing

Keep me posted on the progress. I'm now a firm believer more people have gone into long term remission from herbs than abx.
 
blueta2 said:
Hey, good info.
I'm stopping all abx in 3 weeks and will get a coctail from my homeopath from there.
I met a women on my lyme site who's daughter is being treated with herbs from lyme specialist. I can email you her list if you want to see it.

I've not been tested for any co infections b/c they are unreliable and don't want to dish out the funds for it. I know Frye is good, but not sure it's full proof.
I am sure I have bart though.

And girl, you just know you're having a herx....good sign. Kill those bugs.
Detox baths really helped when I was herxing

Keep me posted on the progress. I'm now a firm believer more people have gone into long term remission from herbs than abx.
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Yes definitely I'd like to see her herb protocol, thanks. The naturopath perscribing the regime I'm following is supposedly an herbal expert, but she has no particular expertise in treating LD, so it'd be good to compare this regime against others.

Why are you sure you've got Bartonella? What sxs are you experiencing?
 
RottenWillow said:
Yes definitely I'd like to see her herb protocol, thanks. The naturopath perscribing the regime I'm following is supposedly an herbal expert, but she has no particular expertise in treating LD, so it'd be good to compare this regime against others.

Why are you sure you've got Bartonella? What sxs are you experiencing?
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Lots of neuro like anxiety. word misplacement, floaters.

Ok, I'm going to PM you this woman's entire email to me
 
blueta2 said:
well keeping ticks off is a good start, but since they are unsure if it's spread by other insects, there really is no sure way.
That's why it's scary.

I'm also now hearing one can get it from eating Venison.

It's going to take research to prove most of this. But you know, I was never bit by a tick (that I know of) and have lyme.
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I have always wondered what about the tick that has Lyme that has attached to an animal. Has it been confirmed yet, I surely don't doubt it. I mean if you can get lyme from the tick than why not an animal such as deer, cow, etc.
That is scary when you actually sit down and think about it all.
 
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