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loosing gains...why
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There's more to it than protein, lifting, and clomid.
Exercise selection and volume regulation is crucial and probably the most important aspects providing one is getting a marginally decent diet and not running a deficit.
Also how one lifted on cycle is important (like if you took enough juice to grow huge quads from leg extensions and presses but never developed your hips/hams/glutes in proportion you will most likely loose them as the body can't exist in its natural state this way - hence the effectiveness of full body compound movements).
Also the types of drugs used play a part. No one that I've met keeps strength gains from halo alone. Few lose deca only gains yet suppression of natural test is far worse than most other drugs (this alone should convince you that there's more to it than clomid as losses would be the worst for this drug if suppression was the most important factor - think about this one - I don't have an answer other than perhaps the length of the ester buffers losses with even very low amounts and allows for partial recovery and I'm doubtful that this is it. Bottom line is that there's more to it than this and deca gains are solid regardless of suppressive qualities).
Also, good lifters can keep solid gains from dbol only cycles without clomid (been going on for years) yet how many guys on here post that even with clomid they lose all their gains.
Some food for thought.
Exercise selection and volume regulation is crucial and probably the most important aspects providing one is getting a marginally decent diet and not running a deficit.
Also how one lifted on cycle is important (like if you took enough juice to grow huge quads from leg extensions and presses but never developed your hips/hams/glutes in proportion you will most likely loose them as the body can't exist in its natural state this way - hence the effectiveness of full body compound movements).
Also the types of drugs used play a part. No one that I've met keeps strength gains from halo alone. Few lose deca only gains yet suppression of natural test is far worse than most other drugs (this alone should convince you that there's more to it than clomid as losses would be the worst for this drug if suppression was the most important factor - think about this one - I don't have an answer other than perhaps the length of the ester buffers losses with even very low amounts and allows for partial recovery and I'm doubtful that this is it. Bottom line is that there's more to it than this and deca gains are solid regardless of suppressive qualities).
Also, good lifters can keep solid gains from dbol only cycles without clomid (been going on for years) yet how many guys on here post that even with clomid they lose all their gains.
Some food for thought.
adoniscomplex
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Good reply.
Very well put.
Very well put.
ROLGOR said:
I don't know of any links and we could write for days on this as what works best naturally also works best on drugs.
Basically a regimen focusing on increasing the core lifts - squat, bench, deadlift (not SLDL) works very well. Assistance exercises should also be heavy compound movements. For instance a basic back routine might be deads, bent-over-rows, chins, and barbell curls. This is real general but you get the idea - stay away from machines and do major exercises.
Anyway, recovery is drastically affected when coming off cycle. While on cycle - I focus on getting stronger in the core lifts, off-cycle I work to maintain those lifts till I recover from the cycle. I generally train each core lift once per week and focus on maintaining 5 sets of 5 reps (maybe 5x3 or as much as 5x6). Other set/rep schemes will work just focus on the core lifts and keep the reps under 8 at with 8 being the highest (you won't be gaining muscle anyway so forget that Flex Magazine said to do 10-12 reps or some other bullshit). My assistance work is also dropped to 3 work sets per exercise at moderate intensity (this work volume would be much higher on cycle).
I do this for 4-6 weeks or until recovered then focus on increasing volume and making natural gains again. However, if you didn't concentrate on the big lifts while on cycle you won't really be able to run it. These lifts involve so many muscle groups synergistically that they retain balanced muscle very well (they even make natural guys grow - go figure).
This is real rough as I don't want to get into exercise theory or specific workouts but the jist is build then maintain the major compound lifts until you have recovered and can build again.
ROLGOR
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That makes sense. I tend to concentrate on the core exercises anyway and on my next cycle I want to do a hit routine based on those. If I understand you, your suggestion post cycle would be to continue working at the level I was at during cycle rather than cut back or keep trying to increase. Appreciate the feedback.
ROLGOR said:
Not exactly - keep core poundages the same and core volume and intensity moderate (you may have to drop back the poundage a bit so start with something where you are comfortable as it will get harder to maintain). Assistance exercise volume should drop considerably from on-cycle levels to about 50-70% of natural levels.
Workouts vary wildly but this is the right idea.
Japanese machine
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hows your sleep? bio-rhythm consistency? believe it or not, sleep deprivation post cycle will wreck havoc on your gains. Try to get atleast 10.
Good luck.
Good luck.
