Looking to start a cycle Test E and Tren ... On cycle and PCT help.

[Gym4Life]

Few questions regarding the confusion of this Tren and the conversion nature being a 19-nor anabolic.

One of my past cycles was Sustanon and Deca I had no gyno symptoms from that, however I still want to have an AI on hand with Tren being a strong compound and a first time use to it. I ran the Sust at 750mg a week split up mon/wed/fri along with the deca at 600mg.

That cycle was a good 3 years ago and have been natural since but my weight has dropped a bit but still in shape at 31 y/o and 175lbs. I tend to eat more clean and lean foods and my body doesn't grow too fast off cycle.

With that gap in cycle time would running the Test E along with the Tren 3x a week at a lower dose be fine. I'm used to hearing and past cycles having the Test be MORE than the additional compounds but I'm hearing that with Tren its ok to leave the Test low enough to counter libido issues and let the Tren dose be equal or even stronger than the Test and let the Tren do the work in the cycle?

1) I'm trying to get some Caber (legit not some bogus liquid from the many places online) and links or sites where I can get that to have on hand if I can't get it from a source?

2) I have Forma Stanzol that I will be trying for the first time. Should I use it starting a few weeks in and for the duration of the cycle up until PCT? Start it at the end of my cycle and all the way through PCT or start it in PCT alongside Clomid?

3) Which brings me to my last question. The SERM Clomid I plan to use but don't want to because of the sides I hear about with acne, and turning guys into babies for 4-6 weeks haha. I was going to use Nolva ... but I read that Nolva can add to the gyno problem with the progestin however I'm not sure what truth there is to that as I hear many here and other sites use Nolva PCT and they are fine?

Would Forma Stanzol used either during cycle, or in PCT along with Clomid/Nolva be enough for a PCT for this Test/Tren cycle. Looking at a short cycle but I enjoy running 10-12 weeks with Test. Is it ok to run something like this

Test E 1-10 or 1-12
Tren 1-8 or 1-10 with the test being run a bit longer or does that cause problems when PCT time comes around. Thanks!

 

[EZ_E]

I'm a big believer in "back-to-the-beginning" after that much time off from juice.....a test cycle could yield nice results.

 

[RickRock13]

I would run your test for 12 weeks at 500mg or so with an oral kickstart, and not use the Tren since it's been so long since you've cycled. If you decide to do the Tren, I would lower your test dose down to 300 or so, and run the Tren at 300-400/wk for 8-10 weeks. I would run the test a couple weeks
Past the Tren.

As for your questions....

1)AG guys has legit liquid dostinex (same as caber) and it is good to go. Get it at AncillaryGuys // AG-Guys.com - The #1 online Natural Ancillary retailer!

2) I would run Formatanozol during cycle and PCT (see my PCT suggestions below)

3) you don't want to follow up a nandrolone with Nolva (it can lead to problems). As long as you keep the Clomid dose sensible, you should have no problems. Follow the PCT protocol I have here. This is what I recommend...


Optimal PCT for best recovery:

Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 (AG Guys)
Formastanozol 5 pumps twice daily (MR Supps)
Test Stack 17 or PHYTOSERMS (see link below for info and discounts)
Ostarine 25mg per day (sarms1)

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Another effective PCT:

Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 (AG Guys)
Formastanozol 5 pumps twice daily (MR Supps)
Unleashed (NTBM or MR Supps)
Test Infusion (MR Supps)
Forged Methyl EAA (MR Supps or NTBM)
Ostarine 25mg per day (sarms1)

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[dylangemelli]

Nice advice from rick... If you do decide to run tren there's a few other things you need to incorporate as well...

I would HIGHLY recommend running gw-501516 with tren... it will combat so many issues that tren causes... It will help you to be able to do cardio, help your blood pressure and cholesterol, etc... run it at 20 mg a day for 12 weeks... you can get the best GW you will find at SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators...

Save forma for pct... run aromasin on cycle, 12.5 mg eod... run your clomid dose as i laid it out and you will not experience those side effects...

I will lay out the entire cycle for you...

1-12 test e 350 mg week
1-10 tren e 400 mg week
1-12 gw-501516 SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
1-14 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-14 n2guard n2bm.com
5-12 hcgenerate ES n2bm.com
13-14 hcg 1000 ius week

pct 15-18

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com
phytoserms n2bm.com
hcgenerate n2bm.com
aromasin 12.5 mg eod AG-guys.com
n2guard n2bm.com
ostarine 25 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators



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[EZ_E]

I'm looking fwd to adding GW with tren the next time I run it

 

[Gym4Life]

Thanks guys! Follow up on the proposed gear though. The Test Enanthate is 400mg/ml and the Tren Enanthate is 250mg/ml. They are in 10ml bottles. So a cycle with 2 bottles each would be more than enough to run a full cycle. I would have to split those up into small shots then right because of the concentrations? I'm used to doing a cc of each but with these that would put me at 1200/week test and 750 tren. I'd be off the walls after a week haha. Any ideas if this is what you had to work with. Thanks

 

[RickRock13]

Thanks guys! Follow up on the proposed gear though. The Test Enanthate is 400mg/ml and the Tren Enanthate is 250mg/ml. They are in 10ml bottles. So a cycle with 2 bottles each would be more than enough to run a full cycle. I would have to split those up into small shots then right because of the concentrations? I'm used to doing a cc of each but with these that would put me at 1200/week test and 750 tren. I'd be off the walls after a week haha. Any ideas if this is what you had to work with. Thanks

Just do 0.5ml of Test and 0.75ml of Tren pinned twice per week. That will be 400 test and 375 Tren each week. No need to pin more than that since they are long esters.

 

[Gym4Life]

Thanks guys for your input! Always much appreciated to take a minute of your day to help respond to a question or two to help me out!

Looks like I'll be trying that dosage range and doing them 2x a week vs 3x a week since they are both long esters and the Tren is not Tren A which I hear needs daily or eod for stable blood levels.

1) Going back to the Forma Stanzol, it says on the product to use for up to 10 weeks. So if I plan to run Test E for 12 weeks and Tren for 9-10 weeks, I will run out just as my Tren cycle ends with Test E still a few weeks to go ...
Should I buy another bottle of Forma Stanzol so I can keep using it to help with Test and Tren sides on cycle (and in this case the weeks after the Tren ends in week 10 could have lingering sides from the long Enanthate ester. Is it Ok to run past 10 weeks? Does it have a rebound effect when stopping or does it help lower estrogen for good? Assuming a 12 week cycle with 2 weeks pre clomid start and another 4 weeks is 18 weeks of non stop Forma S use?

 

[Gym4Life]

Also I'm still looking for a good stable Caber in solid form. I read a review on here that the liquid Caber from AG Guys didn't work for someone. I can post the thread link but is there a pill form for that that is reliable. I'm just a bit hesitant to try the liquid firm as I keep hearing it isn't stable in liquid but am open to read any info showing otherwise.
Is Forma a reliable AI in itself through the cycle I'm considering? Cheers!

 

[RickRock13]

Thanks guys for your input! Always much appreciated to take a minute of your day to help respond to a question or two to help me out!

Looks like I'll be trying that dosage range and doing them 2x a week vs 3x a week since they are both long esters and the Tren is not Tren A which I hear needs daily or eod for stable blood levels.

1) Going back to the Forma Stanzol, it says on the product to use for up to 10 weeks. So if I plan to run Test E for 12 weeks and Tren for 9-10 weeks, I will run out just as my Tren cycle ends with Test E still a few weeks to go ...
Should I buy another bottle of Forma Stanzol so I can keep using it to help with Test and Tren sides on cycle (and in this case the weeks after the Tren ends in week 10 could have lingering sides from the long Enanthate ester. Is it Ok to run past 10 weeks? Does it have a rebound effect when stopping or does it help lower estrogen for good? Assuming a 12 week cycle with 2 weeks pre clomid start and another 4 weeks is 18 weeks of non stop Forma S use?

Yes, for on cycle estrogen control you can run it the whole length of your cycle and into PCT no problem. The recommendation on the forma was meant for standalone dosing, as 10 weeks of very low estrogen can be problematic. Since you are just controlling estrogen that isn't an issue