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Anthony Roberts
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no1_brawler said:
That's not really how they work...you've got an idea...but its kind of wrong...like...you have some facts kinda distorted....
Long Ester Much Better Than Short Ester
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That's not really how they work...you've got an idea...but its kind of wrong...like...you have some facts kinda distorted....
no1_brawler
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Anthony Roberts said:
care to elaborate? i really would like to be proved wrong because i started a prop cycle 2 days ago and im very pissed off coz i took 500mg of enanthate on my first cycle and gained big so im takin 500mg dis time and im thinkin i wont gain anywhere near the same coz of the lower test levels.
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no1_brawler said:
For one thing, the amount of actual steroid in the ML of the different esters is not the same. You get more testosterone out of a single shot of 200mgs of Prop than you do out of a shot of 200mgs of Enth.
The other thing is that blood plasma levels of an equal amount of Prop vs/ Enth are DRASTICALLY different. Check out the "Minto Studies" which are on Deca, but give you a lot of info about (similar) Esters, i.e. Phenylprop vs/ Decanoate (my Deca profile on steroid.com has all the graphs)...
When shorter esters are used (phenylpropionate vs. decanoate) there is a higher peak plasma concentration of the compound. In the case of the minto studies, nandrolone phenylpropionate caused an almost double peak plasma concentration when compared to nandrolone decanoate.
You'll note from those studies that injections in larger muscle groups (glutes vs. delts) yields higher blood plasma concentrations of the compound injected, when mg levels are the same. So you should always shoot preferentially in large muscle groups.
Also, greater mg per ml yields greater blood plasma concentrations when total mg amount is the same. So try to buy more highly concentrated gear when you can.
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Anthony Roberts said:
So what would you say is more effective? Prop or Enanthate both at 500mg/week?
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I like short esters more, usually.
Skoalbrother
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http://bulkmuscle.com/pct/index.php , check this out for exact measurements
The levels of testosterone that you're refering to building up in the body are the levels of esterified testosterone that is stored in the body fat.
Esterified testosterone does absolutley nothing for you...it is inert. The esterified testosterone has to meet up with the esterase enzyme which will cleave the ester and leave the base steroid free in the bloodstream. This base steroid has about 30 minutes to work it's magic before it passes through the liver and is deactivated.
So, the amount of testosterone stored in the body is meaningless. It is only the amount that gets released into the blood per day that counts.
Therefore, shorter esters have to be injected more often than longer esters in order to get similar amounts of testosterone released per day. Apart from that, the ester does not matter at all.
Esterified testosterone does absolutley nothing for you...it is inert. The esterified testosterone has to meet up with the esterase enzyme which will cleave the ester and leave the base steroid free in the bloodstream. This base steroid has about 30 minutes to work it's magic before it passes through the liver and is deactivated.
So, the amount of testosterone stored in the body is meaningless. It is only the amount that gets released into the blood per day that counts.
Therefore, shorter esters have to be injected more often than longer esters in order to get similar amounts of testosterone released per day. Apart from that, the ester does not matter at all.
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blut wump
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It's the esterase enzyme that cleaves the ester, nydj. The aromatase enzyme is the one that does the aromatizing.
These are the half-life figures I work with in days:
Ace - 1.5
Prop - 2.5
PP - 3
Enan - 4.5
Cyp - 5
Deca - 6
Undec - 7
Organon state that their Deca has a half-life of 6 days. I've seen various references indicating Enan to be 4.5. I've posted them up several times and they can be found by anyone with access to the search. Serle state 5 days for their Cyp. I can't recall where I got the others from.
roidcalc.com has a half-life calculator to play with.
As Nydj, states it's the liberated test that matters. To do a worthwhile calculation, you need to look at the difference from one day to the next with regard to the half-life decay to see how much was taken up. You then apply the ester-ratio factor, as mentioned here already, to see how much of that was hormone. You then have a figure for daily uptake.
Another thing to consider with the half-lives is that these are just average, ball-park figures, affected by concentration, site and, even, the individual.
If one takes Prop and enan each at the same mg then the prop has about a sixth more hormone.
These are the half-life figures I work with in days:
Ace - 1.5
Prop - 2.5
PP - 3
Enan - 4.5
Cyp - 5
Deca - 6
Undec - 7
Organon state that their Deca has a half-life of 6 days. I've seen various references indicating Enan to be 4.5. I've posted them up several times and they can be found by anyone with access to the search. Serle state 5 days for their Cyp. I can't recall where I got the others from.
roidcalc.com has a half-life calculator to play with.
As Nydj, states it's the liberated test that matters. To do a worthwhile calculation, you need to look at the difference from one day to the next with regard to the half-life decay to see how much was taken up. You then apply the ester-ratio factor, as mentioned here already, to see how much of that was hormone. You then have a figure for daily uptake.
Another thing to consider with the half-lives is that these are just average, ball-park figures, affected by concentration, site and, even, the individual.
If one takes Prop and enan each at the same mg then the prop has about a sixth more hormone.
