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Liquid Letro and Prami Log

Hey guys.. I thought I'd start a log during my gyno removal attempts. I hope this can make the process easier for others and answer some questions. If anyone can give me some advice, it would be much appreciates. I just got my Liquid Letro and Prami in this week. 60 ml of each 2.5mg=1ml. I wanted to know what you guys think about ramping up to 2.5mg ed with letro. I was going to start off at .5 for a week then 1mg to 1.5 to 2mg to 2.5mg and taper off the same way. the prami will stay at .25mg. I will start on monday and let you guys know how it goes.
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Yee! Let us know how it goes. I was going to do the same stack. But having second thoughts with prami after hearing side effects, how u feeling on it?
 
Started on saterday. Right away i noticed i felt warm and about 30 minutes after i felt lethargic almost drunk. I don't know if this is from prami or letro. I have noticed also that my sex drive is through the roof
 
starting at .25 mg for both. for letro i wil .25/.50/1.0/1.5/2.5/ then back down and for prami i think i will go up to .50 and stay there. I got a question down that is way off topic and i wont be considering for a long while but I wanted to know some of the cycles you guys would use if you had prior gyno problems. I definitely want to cycle eventually once i feel iv'e really hit my potential but want to be careful incase anything pops up again. That's a ways away though. Thanks guys.
 
How do u even measure .25 mg? I understand the dose and tapering up because i am going to do the same, just wondering how it looks because it seems like next to nothing at such a small dose when using a ml plunger or whatever u use. Hows the taste for both? I am interested as well to know a more "gyno free cycle" to take when i finally fix this. Of course that depends on pct but I have heard of some like winny not having any effect on gyno but i am not so sure about that one.
 
How do u even measure .25 mg? I understand the dose and tapering up because i am going to do the same, just wondering how it looks because it seems like next to nothing at such a small dose when using a ml plunger or whatever u use. Hows the taste for both? I am interested as well to know a more "gyno free cycle" to take when i finally fix this. Of course that depends on pct but I have heard of some like winny not having any effect on gyno but i am not so sure about that one.

Use an oral syringe. And yeah, .25mg is 1/10 1ml in a 2.5mg/ml solution.

Taste depends partially on what solution they are mixed in. Letro tastes like shit regardless, Prami is ok.
 
The prami taste like candy. Letro taste like medicine. I went with rui for all my research and my lab rats love the taste. I knew a marine that had the worse bitch tits iv'e ever seen who used winstrol. He was jacked and didn't sound so educated on gear so i think he probably had other aas he was using.
 
After reading on forma it seems anything else would be pointless, forma sounds like the real deal! But get a second opinion, ask needto! I am basically gonna do the exact stack as u when i earn some extra greens. Keep keepin us updated bro i am very interested to see if this will help gyno
 
Lumps seem to be softer today. Puffiness comes and goes... notice it more when insulin spikes. The biggest change iv'e noticed so far is the sensitivity is way down. I'll try and update you guys at least twice a week.
 
yea.... Before when i would touch them they where very sensitive and sometimes painful. Now i can check em and i don't feel that. Next week monday i will be ramped up to 2.5mg with the letro and .5 with the prami. I'd love to hear anyone advice during my log. Some concerns of course are the dry joints especially since i love lifting heavy weights. I'm taking a shit ton of oils, fish/olive/borage and im taking more than i usually would. Also i'm wandering, for those who have used letro, if you're strength went down at all. I would hate that since I'm making such great gains in my current program. THANKS FOR KEEPING MY THREAD ALIVE!!! really appreciate you guys checkin in and leaving any kinda of message. This is by far the most engaged forum iv'e ever been apart of. Peace
 
I've never used letro or prami, but I'm orering letro soon. Thanks for keeping us updated. It seems like so many people start gyno elimination threads, and then just disappear.
 
Man the first thing I do when I get home from work is check this log to see what advice is given or answer any questions. I'll be taking 1.50mg today. Had a more than stellar workout today. Got 275lb on the squat for 20 reps. Felt awesome
 
Why ramp the letro? I understand the prami as it can make you feel ill... But why taper down the letro ? Why not blast it at 2.5 until it is completely gone, then taper down?
 
My ramp up to 2.5 mg of letro only took a week. Ill run this till it's gone and then slowly taper down. My mouth is dry and I feel kinda nauseous sometimes during the day. Feel kinda like I'm fighting something too. I'm going to destroy these tits
 
My ramp up to 2.5 mg of letro only took a week. Ill run this till it's gone and then slowly taper down. My mouth is dry and I feel kinda nauseous sometimes during the day. Feel kinda like I'm fighting something too. I'm going to destroy these tits

Keep us posted I get a little puffiness when I get around 12% bf I think I'm going to pick up some Chem need prami and letro and try it out in the near future.. Good luck!
 
My ramp up to 2.5 mg of letro only took a week. Ill run this till it's gone and then slowly taper down. My mouth is dry and I feel kinda nauseous sometimes during the day. Feel kinda like I'm fighting something too. I'm going to destroy these tits

I sincerely wish you the best of luck. Please keep us updated on your progress.
 
I dont think that comment was directed toward me. Hey guys. Today will be the first day I start the full dose of letro(2.5mg). The sides i'm getting are still from the prami i believe. I go to bed and wake up with a super dry crap mouth, very groggy in the mornings, sometimes feel a little under the weather and nauseous but i dont know if that was from prami or if i was actually fighting a bug. I started super dosing fish oils for my joints. I havnt really noticed til today but i havnt had the sexual hunger i usually do with my wife. The puffiness is completley gone in both nips and the fatty disc that was about the size of a dime in oval shape is a bit smaller in both, more so in my right one, but they are very soft and not tender to touch at all. I could post before and after pics but my gyno was not very visible. I could see it looking down at them when they got kinda puffy. I started this cycle probably 2 months after i started getting symptoms so i think it was to early to see anything. You guys can look at my profile pic and you can't really see anything.
 
I'm sure it depends on how bad your case is. I caught it early so for me I'm thinking 60ml 2.5mg/1ml is go for the letro and 60ml at 1mg/1ml of prami is more than enough since I'm taking it at .5mg. I can run 2.5mg of letro for about 5 weeks before I start my taper. My taper is long though and will go like this. 2.5/2.0/1.5/1/.75/.50/.25 each dose for one week. So I'll be on for around 12 weeks total
 
Nightly update... Today and yesterday the low sex drive definitely hit. No phantoms or morning wood. Good thing the wife is on board and very supportive. My stomach has been torn up for a few days. Don't know if that's a side or not but I've had serious bubble guts. Righty feels like it's almost gone. Lefty has gone down in size. Very soft both of them. I havnt felt the dry joints but I'm also taking around 9 fish oil pills a day. Thanks for staying with me on this one guys. Really appreciate the support.
 
Good so your gyno is shrinking, that's good news. I thought with taking prami as well sex drive wouldn't get crushed? Oh well guess it's a side u just got to deal with. I'd rather be gyno free! Keep keepin us updated bro since now that u upped your dose u will probably see more results. I heard of a cat using 2.5 day and night for 5mg a day of letro, i would be hesitant to do that but hopefully 2.5 a day does the job. Keep it goin bro peace
 
Thanks man.. I've read about some guys who used that dose too. I'd rather run it for a longer period of time at the dose i'm doing. Just got the forma stanzol in today so hopefully i will really start seeing some results. At this rate i feel very confident that i will completely wipe out the gyno with the amount of time i will be using letro.
 
Thanks man.. I've read about some guys who used that dose too. I'd rather run it for a longer period of time at the dose i'm doing. Just got the forma stanzol in today so hopefully i will really start seeing some results. At this rate i feel very confident that i will completely wipe out the gyno with the amount of time i will be using letro.

I'm sure you will too ! Was this gyno from on cycle or from puberty, and how long have you had it? Keep the updates coming you will eradicate it in no time !
 
Peptide actually. Never had pubertal gyno or used AAS. I've always had small tight nips and was very slim and athletic growing up. I started seeing puffy tender nips about 1 month after using GHRP-6 to help heal an overuse injury. It wasn't till about 2 months later i noticed the hard glandular lumps forming and then i took action. I was naive and didn't do my research on GHRP-6 and how at high doses it can induce prolactin, which can then form gyno if not taken care of. I was also taking way to high of a dose of the GHRP-6. The worse part of the whole thing is i was planning my first AAS cycle around this time but then this crap showed up.
 
Damn I had to stop taking ghrp 6 also due to the same reasons and my nips are somewhat puffier now also this is why I'm so curious to this log. I'll keep following you are using chemical need right? I think I'm going to try the same approach .
 
I believe he got his stuff somewhere else. I was gonna get mine off chemical seems legit and A LOT of people have used them with confidence so should be okay. I felt tender so i got nolva to rid it and it backfired.. estro rebound. So this seems like the ideal route to go and since things are going well with your gyno so far it will give others confidence in treating there own. Sounds like everything is rollin and quick! Keep it goin bro
 
So I do have a sex drive. I dunno what was going on those two days. My joints are starting to ache more than usual. Good news is I really had to feel around to find the lump in my right nip. The left went down a bit but not nearly as much ad the right. I'm wondering if I need to run this cycle as long as I as I originally planned.
 
I've had gyno presence for approx. 2 months now, with the last month really increasing in sewlling and soreness. I've had gyno in past cycles and used liquid letro 2.5ml eod, and saw results quick as 1 week. Usually at the end of week 2 the gyno was completely gone. Currently, I've been taking 2.5ml every day for 4 weeks and I have not seen any improvement. I purchase my liquid letro from RUI....I've recently decreased my test from 1000 mg per week to 750 mg per week in effort to help. I am getting quite worried at the fact that my gyno has not even improved and its been months now. Any advice would be greatly apprecitated. Thanks.
 
First advise I would give is to contact needto. He is an expert and has helped many others In your and my position. Through my own research, findings, and opinions I can tell you what I know. Estrogenic glandular tissue can form from as a result of either high prolactin, progesterone or estrogen levels. I believe that my case was from prolactin levels being too high. I've never used AAS but I would assume that coming off the test and starting the letro and prami might be the best choice depending on how bad it is. Also I just started dosimg forma stanzol from mr. Supps. My question for you is did you use rui the first time you got rid of your gyno? Hope this helps some
 
Thank you for your reply. The "needto" link you provided does not go to a valid webpage. Can you please give me some more information on that? I have about 6 weeks left of my test and I keep debating whether to run the course, or cut it short because of how annoyed I am with the gyno presence. I did use RUI the first time and thought it was a miracle how efficient and fast it kicked in. After 6 weeks and 3 bottles later, I now have my doubts about RUI or just my personal situation. Thanks again.
 
hey man... Just wanted to give it a few days before i updated... its week 2 now of using letro at full dose. The left lump is about the same size as the right. I'd say they are about pea size now. My hips and elbows are starting to ache but not to bad. I make sure i take a lot of oils, stretch, roll, ice, heat everday. I know the bad symptoms are there but only at night. If i wake up in the middle of the night to pee or something, I feel like shit. My mouth is dry, nausia, I feel feverish and everything aches. Same with early in the morning. I love the Forma that needto reccommended. I definitly felt the difference after a week of using it. I am sure that when i am finished with my 2 bottles of letro i will be gyno free. Let me know if you guys got any questions... Thanks for staying with me too. Peace.
 
Sounds good man. Yea forma is supposed to be the truth! So u are using the forma as of now? I thought it was to be used as pct for estro rebound after your last day of letro? Correct me if i am wrong tho bro
 
You'll be fine then no worries. i just figured starting forma now would use it up by the time u were finished with letro but if u got it do work! Check with needto tho and make sure, might be some threads on it. Good luck peace
 
Wow.. today my left one is about half the size it was 2 days ago. I am starting to feel really good about this. I ahvnt even starting my second bottle.
 
Woo Hoo! Right on man that's good i got letro but can't get prami yet. I am glad to see your good results following along wit ya, keep it goin
 
Thanks John. Good luck with your stuff too. The progress seems to be speeding up the longer the letro is in my system. Now all I can feel are very thin disc. I might consider ordering a third bottle of letro just to be save as I dont want to start a taper till it's been completely gone for about a week or two. I will never take this shit during the day again! That was the worst I've ever felt. At least I know it's legit
 
OMG... I had to work in the sun all day too so it made it a lot worse. but I felt nauseous, joints ached, my mood was just terrible and i felt lethargic till around 1600 when i got off work.
 
Dang bro thought the prami would help combat the letro sides? How is everything going now? Can u notice the gyno still? Any pain or more annoying sides?
 
Well i wasn't suppose to be running the forma this early on.(once there is no more trace of gyno) Needto's words are to drop the letro dose in half, then start the forma. after a week drop the letro dose to eod for another week, then continue the forma till the bottles gone. Still have a small amount of gyno left. Hasn't changed for awhile and i don't know if using the forma to early has had any effect on that. I'm off the forma now and i have seen a slight reduce in gyno size so i dunno. I'm gonna order one more bottle of letro to be on the safe side. I'm about a quarter through second bottle.
 
What was your dosing on letro and prami again? I am just waiting to get prami then ima try this out. Thats good that its shrinking though and showing progress. How did the forma make u feel?
 
2.5mg letro/ .5 prami ED. I could definitely feel a difference from the forma. For one I felt stronger in the gym. I don't know if it elevated my test levels but I had symptoms of high testosterone. Also there is probably no estrogen in my body right now. Good lock bro. If you start a log I will be checkin on it too if you got any questions that i might be able to answer. This shit sucks but it's awesome to see that reversal can be done. I was a skeptic starting out but know i really believe its possible.
 
Is that what u started out with? How do u measure with 1ml plunger? Appreciate it bro this threads been a lot of help too and glad to see it is working for u. Prami is on its way, whenever i get it i will start it up
 
2.5mg letro/ .5 prami ED. I could definitely feel a difference from the forma. For one I felt stronger in the gym. I don't know if it elevated my test levels but I had symptoms of high testosterone. Also there is probably no estrogen in my body right now. Good lock bro. If you start a log I will be checkin on it too if you got any questions that i might be able to answer. This shit sucks but it's awesome to see that reversal can be done. I was a skeptic starting out but know i really believe its possible.

So have you completely eliminated your gyno?
 
Is that what u started out with? How do u measure with 1ml plunger? Appreciate it bro this threads been a lot of help too and glad to see it is working for u. Prami is on its way, whenever i get it i will start it up

For me my bottle was 2.5mg/1ml in a 30ml bottle. So it made it easy.
 
Hi,

I've had Gyno since puberty and I am 23 years old now. It has never showed signs of going whether I diet and excericise for months on end. I won't have surgery regardless but it has and still is ruining my life!

I just wanted to know more about these things everyone on this site tries? Are they tablets or liquid? If they are liquid do you drink them or inject them etc? Any extra info would be gr8 because as you can probably read I am very new and naive to all this? And what is a 'cycle'?

Hope to understand more soon because I really wana try some new stuff whilst I work out...
 
Hi,

I've had Gyno since puberty and I am 23 years old now. It has never showed signs of going whether I diet and excericise for months on end. I won't have surgery regardless but it has and still is ruining my life!

I just wanted to know more about these things everyone on this site tries? Are they tablets or liquid? If they are liquid do you drink them or inject them etc? Any extra info would be gr8 because as you can probably read I am very new and naive to all this? And what is a 'cycle'?

Hope to understand more soon because I really wana try some new stuff whilst I work out...

You better get all the info and understanding before you try to put anything in your body do it the right way there is plenty to read on this site. The liquid we have been discussing you drink it.
 
Hi,

I've had Gyno since puberty and I am 23 years old now. It has never showed signs of going whether I diet and excericise for months on end. I won't have surgery regardless but it has and still is ruining my life!

I just wanted to know more about these things everyone on this site tries? Are they tablets or liquid? If they are liquid do you drink them or inject them etc? Any extra info would be gr8 because as you can probably read I am very new and naive to all this? And what is a 'cycle'?

Hope to understand more soon because I really wana try some new stuff whilst I work out...

This is a pretty broad question but i will try to point you in the right direction. First understand that there is a few different versions of gyno or things that cause it. There is pubertal gyno which can be passed down through your parents, which is what it sounds like you have. Do you have a hard estrogenic lump? or is just a puffy nipple. There are different drugs that you can take for different stages or types of gyno. You can go to a doctor for this or you can do your own "research" but make sure you have the legal documents to support it. Figure out the laws in your country. If you want you can contact needto as well. He is the subject matter expert in this field. Best thing I did was read countless studies and logs online. Google my friend.
 
hey guys.. Been awhile since last update. Theres been little to no change. There is still a hard lump in both. To be safe I purchased 60ml more of letro. This time I am trying out a different company that was recommended by someone who's word I trust over any others.
DNApeptides
Hopefully there will be a change with this since I am nearing the end of my last bottle of rui letro.
 
When I got rid of mine I order the pills from rxhealth when they were a sponsor. I think they still are, but I uses letro and Cabasar. Pills are way more expensive and took quite some time to come in but was worth it in the end
 
Hey Midevilironsmasher can you give us an update? I'vee been watching your thread from the beginning and I am very curious as to the last stages of gyno removal, and if it has all bean cleared up. Thanks !!
 
Im alive... sry its been awhile. As you guys know i switched from RUI products to DNApeptides. I'm still using RUI liquid prami but have been using the letro for DNApeptides for around 1 week now. I've bumped my dosing to 5mg letro a night while keeping the prami at .5. Pretty soon i will run out of prami and start using the cab fro dna. At the end of using the RUI letro I noticed the lefty was flaring up again. Since switching to DNA it has started to decrease in size again. I have 60 mls of letro left and will stay on it as long as I have to to get rid of it. I've taken it to the extreme so that i can say i tried it all and if it doesn't work with this then I will either try to get it from an actual pharmaceutical company or I will look into surgery. I know DNA is good stuff because since i've bumped it up to 5mg a night I have noticed the side effects increase. Energy is low even at the gym. The wif isn't happy about the low sex drive either. If you guys have any questions just let me know.
 
Dude whats up glad your still alive and kickin. So i wonder why you started to get that flare up? Did u taper down and all that good stuff? How's the gyno looking at this point? Ramped it all the way to 5mg probably killin your sex drive hows your joints bro?
 
My joints only ache in the morning when I get up. I think that the rui might have been somewhat deluted towards the end of the bottle. I mean, it's a screw on cap versus everything else that is a sealed vile. Today I actually noticed a big difference in the size of both lumps. The puffiness is still on and off but switching over to the caba with DNA should change that. I havnt really payed attention to my sex drive but my wife has. I definetely don't get as many phantoms during the day. Im getting some arimidex, HCG and forma to run towards the end of all this. I might start the HCG right off
 
So I wanted to wait a whole week to update but the progress was so good I had to tell you guys. The left gland is the smallest it's ever been and the right one feels almost none existent. I'm excited to start the DNA cab because they still get a little puffy. I don care if Im stepping on toes here because people rely on these products so much and they should know. I am confident in saying that the difference between RUI and DNA was great. Not to mention DNA was more than half the price, almost a quarter. Hopefully they see this and hook me up.
 
Great to hear that your gyno situation is improving. Bummer about the sex drive, but there's always a price to pay for everything. And thanks again for your honesty in regards to the supp companies that you used.
 
Cab gets rid of the puffiness? Because i was just on letro and prami for 3 weeks and both of my lumps vanished but my nipples are still puffy and especially when its hot out
 
Slowly but surely everyday the left lump is getting smaller every day. I am pretty sure the right one is gone. Only bummer right now is the prami is out and I'm waiting for the cab from DNA to come in. Should be here next week. So there is some puffiness and I think that might be slowing done the process. I'm gonna wait to update you guy till I'm a few days into the caba. Stay tuned
 
Glad to hear that things are starting to work out for you!!! Keep us updated if you can, can't wait to see you succeed!
 
.... So pretty much the same shit as before. Quick results at first and then it stopped. I have actually started tapering down this week. I'm gonna get completely clean, go to the doc and get some blood work done. See what they can prescribe me and if not I'm going with someone like RX. Of course there is surgery as well. I can say that my right side is gone and has been for a while. I don't know if it will come back or not but in the mean time im going to shed a little weight and do everything to promote natural healthy hormone levels. Overall my left side may have reduced in size a little bit. bummer.
 
Some gyno can take up to a year to remove with the use of drugs. Some can be a month, others 2-3 months some 6 months... Never had anyone work with me a full year and at the end not have their gyno completely gone though..... Now by gyno I mean lumps . Puffy nipples is not gyno sorry guys its just not!!!!!
 
Thanks for checkin up on my log needto. The puffiness comes and goes. Usually depending on the weather. The hard disc under my left nip stay hard but sometimes gets a little smaller or bigger. I just got done reading a bunch of different reviews and discussions regarding the two companies I used.... I wont say anything bad but based on what i've read over the last few days, I will definitely be going with chemicalneed or greatwhite for my next run. I'm going to use the forma from mrsupps and the stane from greatwhite to come off this stuff. Wish me luck.
 
Thanks for checkin up on my log needto. The puffiness comes and goes. Usually depending on the weather. The hard disc under my left nip stay hard but sometimes gets a little smaller or bigger. I just got done reading a bunch of different reviews and discussions regarding the two companies I used.... I wont say anything bad but based on what i've read over the last few days, I will definitely be going with chemicalneed or greatwhite for my next run. I'm going to use the forma from mrsupps and the stane from greatwhite to come off this stuff. Wish me luck.

Good luck bud. I'm interested to know how long it takes for estro to return to normal. I'm doin an anti gyno run at the mo and will be comin off soon.
Wana start a cycle soon but want hormone levels to be back to normal first.
Keep us posted. :)
 
Some gyno can take up to a year to remove with the use of drugs. Some can be a month, others 2-3 months some 6 months... Never had anyone work with me a full year and at the end not have their gyno completely gone though..... Now by gyno I mean lumps . Puffy nipples is not gyno sorry guys its just not!!!!!

so how does one go about reducing the puffy nipples then needto?
 
so how does one go about reducing the puffy nipples then needto?

This what Ive always wondered. Ive had puffy nip ever since I can remember! Have not ever had gyno just those puffy fn nips hate'em. I just try to pinch'em ah little every so offten or while swimming stay in water.

Could be water from what Ive studied
 
I wonder to but after a lot of research and trying the protocol it took the painful lumps but now nips seem puffier maybe from gland stretching it out and now the lump is gone i think so left with puffy. Surgery may be the end result. But for now since pain is gone i am just gonna keep hittin gym hard like theres no tomorrow! Hope everything goes well bro keep us posted
 
I wonder to but after a lot of research and trying the protocol it took the painful lumps but now nips seem puffier maybe from gland stretching it out and now the lump is gone i think so left with puffy. Surgery may be the end result. But for now since pain is gone i am just gonna keep hittin gym hard like theres no tomorrow! Hope everything goes well bro keep us posted

Thanks man.. Did you say you went with chemicalneed and how long did you use it for?
 
Anyone know how how long you can stay on letro or prami. I got my greatwhite and chemneed products in and am wondering if I can just start them instead of tapering off my current cycle.
 
Heres an update on my taper down. I switched to greatwhite when I started my taper..... since running it at a lower dose that using rui and dna.... my left nip has gone down in size even more. also using exemestane every day. I will wait to use forma till im done tapering. I now know the difference in quality between the quality of some of these companies because even at the low dose im running the letro, I can tell a black and white difference in symptoms and results. Joints ache, no sex, super lethargic after taking it. hope that my log was informative to who ever followed along. ill continue when I start again on strictly greatwhite and chemicalneed pproducts.
 
Hey, I've been following your log and am currently running RUI letro at 2.5mg AM and DNA letro 2.5 PM (I think the DNA is bunk though) I've been on 5mg (or 2.5mg of RUI) for a month now.

I'm also up to .7mg of pramipexole from RUI daily, I'm trying to get up to 1mg daily with that.

So far I haven't noticed any shrinkage of the lumps (from puberty). It's making me wonder if the RUI letro is bunk too. (sex drive is fine, joints are fine). I guess I should try greatwhite's letro .
 
GYNO KILLING STACK- Toremifene 50mg/ letro1.25mg/Prami .5mg (TRY THIS FOR 3 MONTHS BEFORE YOU GIVE UP)

Once your nipples clear up you will want to prevent rebound.

REBOUND PREVENTION:
Torem 50mg/ letro .625mg/ Forma 5 pumps am+pm
Torem 50mg/ letro .625mg EOD/ Forma 5 pumps am+pm
Torem 50mg/ Forma 5 pumps am+pm
Forma 5 pumps am+pm (UNTIL BOTTLE IS FINISHED)
 
Anyone got an answer about puffy nipples, i have been plagued by them since puberty and i was under the impression these meds would help reduce/cure it. I read other peoples comments on various blogs who had the same problem as me and that letro etc cured there puffy nipples. Maybe needto wasnt saying that these meds wont fix puffy nipples, and that he was simply just saying puffy nipples are not gyno. Needto care to elaborate?
 
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