LIMP DICK, need help!!

[zatawe23]

Stats -
Age: 21
Weight: 215lbs
BF%: 13%
height: 5'7"

First off I know I am too young to touch AAS. Regardless, this is my second and the damage is already done. Im only here for help, so please do not comment on my age.

This is my second cycle consisting of:
Test Cyp 600mg/week
Deca 300mg/week 1-10
Dbol 40mg/wk1-4

At week 7 of running the deca, I had received a new order which happened to be dosed a little less and I ended up using more than I should have. I was up to 500mg in week, trust me I now regret not taking the time to dose it properly. So I am just automatically saying I have deca dick. But what confuses me is that I tried getting with this girl 3 times..my erection was unbelievable and had a real passion to bone. But when I actually got my member out it got soft… How can it get rock hard, and then soft like that? Need advice on what to do.

I have Prami and Letro.
I tapered prami up to 1mg from .25mg. I wake up with morning wood now but when it comes to sex I get limp.
I only use letro when I am getting signs of gyno. .25mg seems to do the trick for me

 

[Zyglamail]

I only use letro when I am getting signs of gyno. .25mg seems to do the trick for me

600mg test and no AI, thats likely a big part of your problem. No idea why guys insist on running around with estrogen levels higher than that of a normal woman and then run here crying when they have problems.

 

[zatawe23]

600mg test and no AI, thats likely a big part of your problem. No idea why guys insist on running around with estrogen levels higher than that of a normal woman and then run here crying when they have problems.

I should have mentioned I typically take the letro 2x a week. It kills my joints too much so I am looking to get adex for .25-.5 EOD

 

[Zyglamail]

I should have mentioned I typically take the letro 2x a week. It kills my joints too much so I am looking to get adex for .25-.5 EOD

Still, your looking at 6x the normal test level for a man and taking the amount of AI that many need on just a fraction of 600mg/wk test.

This isnt rocket science, no need to guess, get labs done so ya know where your E is at and go from there.

 

[zatawe23]

Had labs done 2 weeks, will post them later.

So should I take more letro or swap with adex? In the most respectful way.. I came here for advice on solving my problem, not to get bashed on.

 

[Zyglamail]

Had labs done 2 weeks, will post them later.

So should I take more letro or swap with adex? In the most respectful way.. I came here for advice on solving my problem, not to get bashed on.

People get a bashing because they dont use common sense AND because they dont furnish enough information making the people in a position to help have to play detective.

Adex and letro both basically do the same, some people respond better to one over the other.

You havent even had the decency to tell us how much letro your taking and your complaining your not getting help.

My guess would be, based on lack of information provided, would be that YES you need more, how much more depends on lab results and how much AI your currently taking.

 

[zatawe23]

People get a bashing because they dont use common sense AND because they dont furnish enough information making the people in a position to help have to play detective.

Adex and letro both basically do the same, some people respond better to one over the other.

You havent even had the decency to tell us how much letro your taking and your complaining your not getting help.

My guess would be, based on lack of information provided, would be that YES you need more, how much more depends on lab results and how much AI your currently taking.

Taking letro right now at .25mg 2x week.

 

[Zyglamail]

Taking letro right now at .25mg 2x week.

.25mg? That makes no sense.

Letrozole is typically 2.5mg tablets

Which equates to about 1mg anastozole

which equates to about 25mg aromasin

Folks on TRT of 100mg a week generally use:

1/2 tablet of any of the above 2x a week, one whole table of any of the above 2x a week on the high end.

Your on 6x that much test AND dbol than someone on TRT dose of test so your probably going to need close to 6x as much AI to keep E between 20-30.

If what you really ment above was 2.5 mg letro 2x a week, id start by doubling that.

The problem is your cycle will be over before your E levels come down and you can get labs again to see how you respond to the new letro dose. This is why its critical to start at a dose of AI thats realistic for your AAS dose because if you dont you dont have any time to let E drop and get an accurate reading by which to judge your AI dose.

 

[zatawe23]

I have liquid letro that is dosed at 2.5mg/mL

 

[John Juan]

Stats -
Age: 21
Weight: 215lbs
BF%: 13%
height: 5'7"

First off I know I am too young to touch AAS. Regardless, this is my second and the damage is already done. Im only here for help, so please do not comment on my age.

This is my second cycle consisting of:
Test Cyp 600mg/week
Deca 300mg/week 1-10
Dbol 40mg/wk1-4

At week 7 of running the deca, I had received a new order which happened to be dosed a little less and I ended up using more than I should have. I was up to 500mg in week, trust me I now regret not taking the time to dose it properly. So I am just automatically saying I have deca dick. But what confuses me is that I tried getting with this girl 3 times..my erection was unbelievable and had a real passion to bone. But when I actually got my member out it got soft… How can it get rock hard, and then soft like that? Need advice on what to do.

I have Prami and Letro.
I tapered prami up to 1mg from .25mg. I wake up with morning wood now but when it comes to sex I get limp.
I only use letro when I am getting signs of gyno. .25mg seems to do the trick for me

First off, don't let the bashing get to you. Some people have a need to try and hurt others. Such as life.

I doubt it's your estro levels or progesterone. It's psychosomatic and happens with a new girl. My friend who is your age just went through this. Once he spent more time getting to know the girl and stopped thinking so much while with her, his dick worked like a charm. Give it some time and get to know her better. The mind is the most powerful muscle and it will fuck you sometimes as it over thinks things. Just relax and it'll all work out.

P.S. Your cycle looks great to me.

 

[Deadliftinkid]

Get that e2 level. Switch from letro to aromasin. Try tadalafil. Do more cardio and running. Get more sleep. Stop having sex/watching porn for a week and then try to see if it feels better.

 

[Zyglamail]

I have liquid letro that is dosed at 2.5mg/mL

so are you taking .25mg as you originally stated or 2.5mg?

 

[Zyglamail]

I doubt it's your estro levels or progesterone.

Are you serious? I have yet to see anyone run 600mg week of test with virtually no AI and have normal E levels. His deca dose isnt out of hand but deca can really kill a guys libido, the term deca dick came about for a reason.

 

[zatawe23]

First off, don't let the bashing get to you. Some people have a need to try and hurt others. Such as life.

I doubt it's your estro levels or progesterone. It's psychosomatic and happens with a new girl. My friend who is your age just went through this. Once he spent more time getting to know the girl and stopped thinking so much while with her, his dick worked like a charm. Give it some time and get to know her better. The mind is the most powerful muscle and it will fuck you sometimes as it over thinks things. Just relax and it'll all work out.

P.S. Your cycle looks great to me.

Thank you for the kind response. Im going to give it another week or two.

I added hcg last week at 250iu 2x/week (this lab results are from 3 weeks ago)

My blood work stated
Vitamin D 18 ng/mL Normal levels: 30-1000 ng/mL
Prolactin - 10.0 ng/mL Normal levels: 2-18 ng/mL
Testosterone - c4879 ng/mL Normal levels: 250-1100 ng/mL
LH <0.2 mIU/mL Normal levels: 1.5-9.3 mIU/mL

 

[Elvia1023]

Thank you for the kind response. Im going to give it another week or two.

I added hcg last week at 250iu 2x/week (this lab results are from 3 weeks ago)

My blood work stated
Vitamin D 18 ng/mL Normal levels: 30-1000 ng/mL
Prolactin - 10.0 ng/mL Normal levels: 2-18 ng/mL
Testosterone - c4879 ng/mL Normal levels: 250-1100 ng/mL
LH <0.2 mIU/mL Normal levels: 1.5-9.3 mIU/mL

What everyone has said on here is spot on imo.

I think it is an estrogen issue. It's not deca dick it is steroid dick. Every guys says deca dick and 90% of the time it will be due to the aromatization of test. But deca can have a bad effect on libido especially later in a cycle.

Did you get your e2 levels tested?

The HCG would have only worsened your condition as that will rebound badly. I would get on 10-12.5mg aromasin per day for now.

 

[zatawe23]

so are you taking .25mg as you originally stated or 2.5mg?

Yeah I was taking letro at 0.25mg 2x/week. I took 2.5mg today after reading some of these comments and will take another 2.5mg on Saturday.

 

[Elvia1023]

Get that e2 level. Switch from letro to aromasin. Try tadalafil. Do more cardio and running. Get more sleep. Stop having sex/watching porn for a week and then try to see if it feels better.

Great advice. Tadalafil would be especially good due to it's long active life. To the OP this is very common at your age and when using aas so don't worry about it... you will be fine soon.

 

[John Juan]

Are you serious? I have yet to see anyone run 600mg week of test with virtually no AI and have normal E levels. His deca dose isnt out of hand but deca can really kill a guys libido, the term deca dick came about for a reason.

I've never had an erection issue and I don't use AI's except precontest. He said he gets erect until the sex act commenses. I think it's psychosomatic. It'll be interesting to see what his blood work shows. It a fine line when it comes to lowering estrogen. Too little is bad. Too much is bad. I've run test as hign as 3 grams a week without any form of estro blocker. Had acne and gyno but no erection issues. These days my test doesn't go much higher than a gram. Deca stays around 600mg.

 

[zatawe23]

What everyone has said on here is spot on imo.

I think it is an estrogen issue. It's not deca dick it is steroid dick. Every guys says deca dick and 90% of the time it will be due to the aromatization of test. But deca can have a bad effect on libido especially later in a cycle.

Did you get your e2 levels tested?

The HCG would have only worsened your condition as that will rebound badly. I would get on 10-12.5mg aromasin per day for now.

E2 was not tested. Did happen to look up symptoms of high E2 such as Enlarged prostate, urinary problems, low sex drive, ED, allergies, depression, fatigue, foggy thinking…
I am clearly no doctor and self-diagnosing here but I happen to have all of these symptoms. Woke up with allergies, have been feeling depressed lately, obviously low sex drive and ED, when I pee it kinda hurts in the urethra at the base, and sometimes I get pain in the prostate region.

I will get aromasin asap. Should I cut out the hcg in the meantime or continue to use it?

 

[Elvia1023]

E2 was not tested. Did happen to look up symptoms of high E2 such as Enlarged prostate, urinary problems, low sex drive, ED, allergies, depression, fatigue, foggy thinking…
I am clearly no doctor and self-diagnosing here but I happen to have all of these symptoms. Woke up with allergies, have been feeling depressed lately, obviously low sex drive and ED, when I pee it kinda hurts in the urethra at the base, and sometimes I get pain in the prostate region.

I will get aromasin asap. Should I cut out the hcg in the meantime or continue to use it?

Why are you using HCG? Cosmetic (ball size) and to aid recovery after cycle? If so as little as 100-200mcg would be enough for those purposes. It should help with libido but it's effects are short lived. I would always take an AI when on HCG.

 

[Elvia1023]

I've never had an erection issue and I don't use AI's except precontest. He said he gets erect until the sex act commenses. I think it's psychosomatic. It'll be interesting to see what his blood work shows. It a fine line when it comes to lowering estrogen. Too little is bad. Too much is bad. I've run test as hign as 3 grams a week without any form of estro blocker. Had acne and gyno but no erection issues. These days my test doesn't go much higher than a gram. Deca stays around 600mg.

Regardless of what I have stated I think you are 100% spot on. But estrogen is a key factor imo too. But I think it is more of what you say... his age, cycle experience and not knowing his body are major contributors. The slightest physical change can make a big mental one in certain people.

Although everyone responds differently to test, estrogen etc. You are a perfect example of not needing AI's most of the time.

JJ I don't take AI's either (most of the time) but not the best place to go into that. I use them in select times but feel people way overuse them. When cruising ed test injs control possible aromatization effectively for me.

 

[zatawe23]

Why are you using HCG? Cosmetic (ball size) and to aid recovery after cycle? If so as little as 100-200mcg would be enough for those purposes. It should help with libido but it's effects are short lived. I would always take an AI when on HCG.

Yes for cosmetic and recovery purposes

 

[Elvia1023]

Yes for cosmetic and recovery purposes

Sorry I was meant to put 100-200IU HCG per week. It's active life is not that long but one tiny shot per week would be enough for you. You won't find that written on many sites so as a result people will disagree but this was told to me by one of the most knowledgeable guys there is on the subject. Plus I have tried it too and it is enough.

 

[zatawe23]

Sorry I was meant to put 100-200IU HCG per week. It's active life is not that long but one tiny shot per week would be enough for you. You won't find that written on many sites so as a result people will disagree but this was told to me by one of the most knowledgeable guys there is on the subject. Plus I have tried it too and it is enough.

I have also read that low doses like so were effective.


I will be posting on this thread for the next couple of weeks to let everyone how things turn out. Aroma is on its way and will proceed to take Letro until it I have it on hand and I find a proper taper protocol. Another blood test will also be coming in the next few weeks so I can post that as well.

 

[Elvia1023]

I have also read that low doses like so were effective.


I will be posting on this thread for the next couple of weeks to let everyone how things turn out. Aroma is on its way and will proceed to take Letro until it I have it on hand and I find a proper taper protocol. Another blood test will also be coming in the next few weeks so I can post that as well.

Good to know. Good to see you getting more blood work too

 

[Zyglamail]

Yeah I was taking letro at 0.25mg 2x/week. I took 2.5mg today after reading some of these comments and will take another 2.5mg on Saturday.

.25mg of letro is nothing. At 600mg/wk test I would probably would have started at 2.5mg eod and then had labs done a few weeks in and adjust from there.

Keep in mind HCG, in addition to keeping testis active, will add to your overall test level which may also increase need for AI. However your HCG dose is a little too low. For a single dose you probably want to be in the 500-700IU range.

I've never had an erection issue and I don't use AI's except precontest. He said he gets erect until the sex act commenses. I think it's psychosomatic.

I wont argue there may be a big mental aspect here but have to agree with Elvia1023. Hormones play a big role in mood and having a ton of the primary female hormone floating around unnecessarily can wrak havoc on your mind.

Countless studies show high estrogen levels in men increase death rate. There is NO positive benefit to having E levels outside ideal norm for men.

Your experience is just that, your experience. People differ greatly and not many people can get by running a gram of test without an AI.

 

[Nelson Montana]

.25mg of letro is nothing. At 600mg/wk test I would probably would have started at 2.5mg eod and then had labs done a few weeks in and adjust from there.

Keep in mind HCG, in addition to keeping testis active, will add to your overall test level which may also increase need for AI. However your HCG dose is a little too low. For a single dose you probably want to be in the 500-700IU range.



I wont argue there may be a big mental aspect here but have to agree with Elvia1023. Hormones play a big role in mood and having a ton of the primary female hormone floating around unnecessarily can wrak havoc on your mind.

Countless studies show high estrogen levels in men increase death rate. There is NO positive benefit to having E levels outside ideal norm for men.

Your experience is just that, your experience. People differ greatly and not many people can get by running a gram of test without an AI.

I agree with all of this, but there is a huge psychological element to libido as well.

Your best bet -- get your e levels check -- treat it, and get them checked again.

 

[stevesmi]

we can make an educated guess as to what is going on

1. you are too fucking young and should not have messed with deca
2. deca is an anti-fertility drug
3. if your progesterone is sky high that is gonna damage your dick

did you get pre blood work? I want to see what changed aside from your T levels and LH levels which are obvious . you tested prolactin but where are your other hormone levels? you didn't provide enough information to get anything out of your blood work. the only thing we learned is that your gear is legit, other than that we learned NOTHING from your bloods here

and here is how you fix this problem

1. stop taking deca and never touch it again, the sooner you stop taking it the sooner it will be out of your system. give it about 6 weeks
2. stay away from steroids for a long time.
3. run a damn good pct (see my pct sticky in the pct section and run it to a tee) or else you will be that 21 year old that girls start talking about who can't get it up

 

[stevesmi]

also 5 7 and 215 at only 13% body fat? something doesn't add up here. either you are a beast or you are a liar. which one is it? if you dropped 4-5% body fat with those stats you would clean the clock of everyone at regional bodybuilding contests at just 21. put up a pic because that is fucking impressive

 

[zatawe23]

also 5 7 and 215 at only 13% body fat? something doesn't add up here. either you are a beast or you are a liar. which one is it? if you dropped 4-5% body fat with those stats you would clean the clock of everyone at regional bodybuilding contests at just 21. put up a pic because that is fucking impressive

I am never going to touch another Nandrolone again. I couldn't agree more that I am too young and I wish that would have sunk into my head before I ever touched AAS. I am getting BW in about 2 weeks. Also, I still get hard but when it comes to sex its a different story. And correcting myself, I'm 15% body fat. Will still be glad to post a picture though, and will be taking a lot of time off.

 

[ugotmale2day]

One reason im getting educated and reading alot before I inject.

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[Mia305]

Dude i'll give you the best answer to your problem. While i agree in part to what everyone is saying here. I'll say its more psychological than anything!! The same exact thing happened to me,( although not with Deca , but with Test and tren,mast,prop triple stack). My dick was a fucking wood when i was making up with this nee hot ass fuck chick i had just met at college and when i whipped my dick out, BOOM! It fucking got soft! Why? Because of all the mental pressure that i had put in myself that i needed to impress this chick No matter what because she was so fucking hot! Big mistake!! Second time i went out with her i took things easy , we went for dinner then for a walk , took it back to her apartment, had a glass of wine,took a 10mg cialis as a back up, no pressure and i banged the shit out of her!
After that all the other times, no cialis no anything, my dick was a fucking wood bro.

So in summary, while i agree with most of the other responses here, my personal experience says its also GREATLY in part to psychological pressure.

So, just take half a cialis the first time so you feel more
Confident and you should be all good man.

Good luck !!

 

[ugotmale2day]

Thank god for the blue pill. When I take one i feel like Wilt Chamberlin.

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[Mia305]

Thank god for the blue pill. When I take one i feel like Wilt Chamberlin.

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Ohh absolutely my brother!!'

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ so both of you feel like he should have to resort to taking Cialis at 21 years old???!!! come on lets get serious here.

at 21 you should be enjoying college and fucking around, you shouldn't need to worry about being able to get it up.

seems like this kid has a damn good head on his shoulders and I think he will be okay, but he needs to stop the deca immediately and get his pct sorted out asap

 

[ugotmale2day]

^^^ so both of you feel like he should have to resort to taking Cialis at 21 years old???!!! come on lets get serious here.

at 21 you should be enjoying college and fucking around, you shouldn't need to worry about being able to get it up.

seems like this kid has a damn good head on his shoulders and I think he will be okay, but he needs to stop the deca immediately and get his pct sorted out asap

I never said he SHOULD RESORT to anything. I expressed what it does for me.
When I was in college enjoying it meant banging chicks lol.

At 21 yea he shouldnt be going in the direction he has but SMART up and educate himself more to what hes putting in his body.

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[Mia305]

I agree with you about stopping Deca ASAP. And i dont agree with him taking cialis everytime he has sex, because honestly he DOES NOT needs it at 21 once his testosterone and hormones get back to normal however, in the mean time given his "delicate" situation, i would take half a cialis and have one or two good fucks! The least it would do is bring his confidence up once again after the 'dissappointment' he had. Bro at least it did for me when it happened to me and i must have been like 22 back then.

 

[zatawe23]

UPDATE: All the help and advice is much appreciated. I would 100% agree on the psychological aspect of this simply because I was finally able to get the deed done tonight ;-)

 

[Mia305]

UPDATE: All the help and advice is much appreciated. I would 100% agree on the psychological aspect of this simply because I was finally able to get the deed done tonight ;-)

Hahaha! Happy to hear that brother! Welcome back LOL

 

[swole12014]

Some will disagree but try running nolva at 20mg/day for about a week and see what that does. That's been the staple of this exact cycle for many with success for years