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Alright, here is the cycle layout. This is my third cycle and it is the natural progression of what I had done so far. Primo is the stand out new AAS for me here, and I look forward to meeting it with a fresh intensity in my workouts and diet.

1-20 Test Cyp 350mg per week, split in 2
1-20 Mast E 700mg per week, split in 2
1-10 Primo 600mg per week, split in 2
11-20 Primo 800mg per week, split in 2
1-6 GW501516 20mg a day, split in 2
1-6 S-4 50mg a day, split in 2
1-6 Tbol 50mg per day
15-20 Winstrol 50mg per day
N2Guard with orals
Aromasin 12.5mg on pin days
7-20 HCGenerate


I've been doing the SARMS for the past 10 weeks and include them here as part of my kick for their unique benefits.

I plan on getting bloods at week 10 to check my Estro levels, among other things.

With that posted, onto the good stuff
 
Alright, here is the cycle layout. This is my third cycle and it is the natural progression of what I had done so far. Primo is the stand out new AAS for me here, and I look forward to meeting it with a fresh intensity in my workouts and diet.

1-20 Test Cyp 350mg per week, split in 2
1-20 Mast E 700mg per week, split in 2
1-10 Primo 600mg per week, split in 2
11-20 Primo 800mg per week, split in 2
1-6 GW501516 20mg a day, split in 2
1-6 S-4 50mg a day, split in 2
1-6 Tbol 50mg per day
15-20 Winstrol 50mg per day
N2Guard with orals
Aromasin 12.5mg on pin days
7-20 HCGenerate


I've been doing the SARMS for the past 10 weeks and include them here as part of my kick for their unique benefits.

I plan on getting bloods at week 10 to check my Estro levels, among other things.

With that posted, onto the good stuff

absolutely looks great... the one thing i would do different is start on sarms again on the back end after you are off of them 4 weeks or so but everything else is exactly spot on bro... doses look good, combination of compounds is great... everything looks great... very rarely do i say that =)
 
“A sword is useless in the hands of a coward.”

In Buddhism, this speaks directly to the need to develop strong faith in order to achieve your goals and realize your dreams. It stands as a warning against having a weak spiritual practice and making less than an all out effort to move forward.

I see a parallel in bodybuilding, and this is why I caution people about deciding to cross over to using AAS for any reason other than the fact that they have reached their full genetic potential.

Unless you have struggled to develop and execute challenging work out designs, using these to push yourself further than you ever thought you could, for years on end, you’re not ready. Until you have experimented with diet approaches that have given you real results for both bulking and cutting, you’re not ready.

In fact, turning to gear without having these experiences can actually lead to weakness, as it may feed a belief that things in life can be achieved without dedication and hard work.

The 15 years I trained hard core before choosing to accent my physique with anabolics were awesome, and I learned so much about myself, not the least of which was how to dig deep to bring out my best, to turn the impossible into the possible.

This is my third cycle, and it includes all the things I have learned here at Elite Fitness as well as the tutoring I have received from the Mods. Keep an eye on this thread as I promise to challenge myself absolutely as I prepare for a contest at the end of the Summer.

This is the point where I transcend everything I thought limited me in any way.

A sword is useless in the hands of a coward.
 
I'll follow this as always. Not just a training log but the way you write stuff is awesome. It really is an art

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Thanx bonacris. Always good to read your posts too.

So here I am, where many of us find ourselves a couple times a year; waiting for the gear to kick in.

But, I think that my attitude toward this will greatly impact the gains I make on this round and beyond.

IMO, if I get caught up with thinking, "I can't wait till I feel stronger from my gear so I can set some PR's.", or, "I can't wait till I start getting more cut from the AAS.", I'm setting myself up a mediocre outcome.

I prefer to get into the mind set that I'm going to take this to a whole 'nother level right now. I'm not waiting for anything to boost my life condition to set a new personal record. The choice is mine, and I'm going to win right now.

So I set up a new 12 weeks workout design so that I'm hitting a point even as we speak, (speak? whatever...) where everything is challenging. I have to lift all out to meet my projected lifts on any given day, and I'm seeing results.

With this vision in place, when I do realize my gear kicking in, there is no telling where I can take it.

"Buddhism is win or lose; it has to be win!"
 
Will b following this. As always look forward to inspiration as well as insight.

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Interesting cycle my friend... mast @ 700mg - do you shed much hair on this ?

what is the mg/ml of your mast and primo ?

thanks bro.
 
Thanx for checking in gentlemen.

I am using S.A.P. Primo and Mast E at 200mg/ml. I had concern about the Primo being 200 but after contacting the manufacturer, and speaking to my source, whom I trust, I feel confident that it is all G2G.

I'm 50 years old and I have never shed a hair, even with Mast E for the second 10 weeks of my last cycle at 500mg a week.

I have the responses from the manufacturer if anyone is curious about the Primo.

Oh, one of the first things I notice when I start a cycle, 7 days in and there are alot more sexy looking girls around. LOL!
 
That's a serious cycle and all stuff that I like. The dosages are up there but you're an advanced lifter so you know what you;re doing. I like the way you split the oral dosaging. The only think I'd suggest is some PF POSTCYCLE for that in-between time to regenerate the liver before hitting it again for another 5 weeks.
 
Thanx Stevesmi, will do.

Right where you want to be at the start of a cycle.

Yesterday in the gym when I was signing in a regular started asking me about the competition I'm focused on at the end of the Summer. Suddenly a handful of gym friends come up, and then the owner, a sixty something year old guy steps in. "Are you a competitive bodybuilder?", he asks with a smile. "Well, I'm a bodybuilder, and I'm going to compete.", I venture back. He responds, "Your going to do great. Your in great shape!"

You could have knocked me over with a 1 pound dumb bell. Here is this guy, been lifting and part of the southern CA scene for ever telling me I'm in great shape. I felt really humbled and encouraged at the same time.

And wow, did I have a great workout.
 
Oh yea, my starting stats.

I have been dieting to enhance definition over the past 20 weeks, first during my PCT, and then on a triple SARMS stack. That brought me in as follows.

220 pounds
11%bf

I started eating to support a lean bulk 2 weeks ago, and I am already feeling the difference in fullness when I put on clothes. Of course, I am training with a mission, so I am getting great pumps, and it is almost 2 weeks in on 50mgs of Tbol a day.

I'm doing my usual push/pull/legs split, but am going basic heavy lifts 3 days, and then high reps, including 100's and reverse pyramiding the other 3. I'm six weeks into this design and am already sketching out what the next 12 weeks will look like. Right now I'm working out the lighter days, which will focus on time under tension sets. That should be fun.

9:00 AM, 2 meals down, and off to the gym.
 
Just killing it.

Every day in the gym, with note book open, fighting to hit my projected weights.

I was reading an article about Frank Zane and he drove home the point of keeping reps up around 10, so I adjusted some of my weights since I was going down to 6, and I am pushing them back up 5-10 lbs. every time I do the exercise. I'm still doing a last set of 12-15 because it still feels right.

Lean bulking as I come out of 20 weeks of cutting, and I'm up 3 lbs. with no loss of cut. Just starting to review basic poses, and holding them in a mirror to get used to them. I plan on taking a couple lessons from an experienced competitor in order to be fully prepared on every front for my up coming show.

23 weeks out; it's a long time, and a short time.
 
Dragging at the end of a work day yesterday, but still managed to steer the car to the gym for legs. It was later than usual and every leg press and squat rack were taken. Onto the leg extension for high reps, and it was;

60 for 20 reps
70 for 20
80 for 20
90
100
120
and finally 130 for 15

I was feeling pumped when a couple kids with bad form caught my eye on the leg press. They were struggling for sets of 15 as I walked up. "May I work in?" I inquired as they nodded approval. I did 30 with there weight in good form while sharing some pointers. In all I did 7 sets, none under 15 and I could hardly bend my legs to go up the stairs.

I got in early today for Chest/Front and Center Deltoid/Tris and Core, and killed it. I'm already getting these really painful, burning pumps in my shoulders as I progress through the workout, and the endorphines afterwards are amazing!

3 weeks in and still determined to make this happen now.
 
Wow dats alot of gear but for a compitation i guess its not. gonna follow u on how this goes for u. Keep us posted nd post pics if u have any.
 
Thanx bonacris.

I want to address the dosages I'm using here as I know, they are quite high. Although this is my 3rd AAS cycle I did a number of Halo .50 cyclesd quite a few years ago. I studied on this forum for about a year before doing my first cycle which I carefully out togther and posted for feedback. This has been my approach from the start, and I have also logged my cycles.

I think the main reason I have gotten positive feedback from Mods here about my cycles is that I have been lifting without a break for nearly 18 years, during which time I gained over 40 pounds of muscle. I am a certified personal trainer and have had real, actual results from both bulking and cutting diets.

I'm the first to caution Bro's about gear, and for good reason. But since I am already 50 years old, and TRT and very real alternative for my health, I feel confident and safe to be on my current path.

Watch me go!
 
Buddha, just a quick question for you. Why the bump from 600mg/wk to 800mg/wk after week 10 on the primo? I know primo is slow and steady gains, but that's about ALL I know about that particular compound.
Is the extra 200mg/wk that beneficial?
 
Hi Jester.

Thanx for checking the thread. As you may have noticed, there are different schools of thought here at EF, which is cool as much can be learned through discourse and examining many different views. I went down the middle on the design of this cycle, (middle way; I am the Buddha) and decided to keep the option open to increase the Primo for the second half to the level one Mod recommended for the whole cycle. This does bring my numbers up, but like I said, it is my determination right now. I will look at where I am at as far as conditioning goes at that time before making the change.

I plan on following stevemi's general guidance regarding shorter cycles with moderate doses next year with 2, 12 week cycles for the year, and note any differences I find from that approach. And, as I noted in a recent post, because I am on the TRT cruise approach at 50 years old, soon to be 51, I don't have the recovery to worry about as much. Not that I am skimping on my on cycle supports, N2Guard, HCGenerate, armomasin, and Phytoserms, as overall health is of primary importance.
 
Good to know. If you do bump up, please let us know. In the end, I'm curious if you notice, and also if you felt the bump was worth it.
 
Wow this is awesome. really good advice!


“A sword is useless in the hands of a coward.”

In Buddhism, this speaks directly to the need to develop strong faith in order to achieve your goals and realize your dreams. It stands as a warning against having a weak spiritual practice and making less than an all out effort to move forward.

I see a parallel in bodybuilding, and this is why I caution people about deciding to cross over to using AAS for any reason other than the fact that they have reached their full genetic potential.

Unless you have struggled to develop and execute challenging work out designs, using these to push yourself further than you ever thought you could, for years on end, you’re not ready. Until you have experimented with diet approaches that have given you real results for both bulking and cutting, you’re not ready.

In fact, turning to gear without having these experiences can actually lead to weakness, as it may feed a belief that things in life can be achieved without dedication and hard work.

The 15 years I trained hard core before choosing to accent my physique with anabolics were awesome, and I learned so much about myself, not the least of which was how to dig deep to bring out my best, to turn the impossible into the possible.

This is my third cycle, and it includes all the things I have learned here at Elite Fitness as well as the tutoring I have received from the Mods. Keep an eye on this thread as I promise to challenge myself absolutely as I prepare for a contest at the end of the Summer.

This is the point where I transcend everything I thought limited me in any way.

A sword is useless in the hands of a coward.
 
Thanx MK.

I was thinking over my current work out designs, which were kind of exciting in the beginning. I had the perfect pyramid approach going on heavy days (that's pyramiding up, then doing some high reps sets with lighter weight), and on lighter days it was alot of high rep stuff including 100's and other drop set type stuff. I just started to feel like it was too much high rep stuff, but when I started that design I was cutting so, it is all good. I have been doing a 3 day split, 6 days a week for a long time and don't see any reason to change that, but was looking to change everything else up.

So for my new design I just went back to basics for the heavy stuff with 4 sets of 8-10 being the rule, although for my last exercise of a body part I am doing the FST-7 approach, which is basically 7 sets where the focus is full range of motion; from a really good stretch to full contraction. I did this for legs yesterday with the leg sled after doing squats, hack squats, extensions, curls, and calves, and really felt a difference.

I am also making my bench grip a little more narrow, and focusing on upper chest and flies, only getting to flat bench as my third exercise on heavy day.

On my lighter days I am doing mainly super sets, but still keeping the reps in the 8-10 area.

I'm just starting the 4th week of this cycle and my shoulders already show striations I had never noticed before. When my gear is in full swing I may bring in my 3 day lighter days once every 2 weeks as my recovery time will be able to handle it.

SARMS are in full support and it is so noticeable on the weekends. I only leave the gym because I run out of things to do for the day, and never in less than 2 hours.

Loving it....
 
Hi Jester.

Thanx for checking the thread. As you may have noticed, there are different schools of thought here at EF, which is cool as much can be learned through discourse and examining many different views. I went down the middle on the design of this cycle, (middle way; I am the Buddha) and decided to keep the option open to increase the Primo for the second half to the level one Mod recommended for the whole cycle. This does bring my numbers up, but like I said, it is my determination right now. I will look at where I am at as far as conditioning goes at that time before making the change.

I plan on following stevemi's general guidance regarding shorter cycles with moderate doses next year with 2, 12 week cycles for the year, and note any differences I find from that approach. And, as I noted in a recent post, because I am on the TRT cruise approach at 50 years old, soon to be 51, I don't have the recovery to worry about as much. Not that I am skimping on my on cycle supports, N2Guard, HCGenerate, armomasin, and Phytoserms, as overall health is of primary importance.


May I ask why the HCGen if you're trt? Just curious. By the way I'm digging your way with words as well I gotta admit. Your coward with a sword quote is great. I am a coward with a sword (by that I mean I believe I could stand a chance on stage but I'm too chicken shit. Not to mention outside the BB world) and it helped inspire me to read that. Thanks man. Will follow. FTR i don't mean I'm a chicken shit at everything, just afraid of failure is what I meant lol
 
Thanx for checking in jack steel.

HCGenerate has great reviews from guys on TRT for boosting libido and overall mood, which is always good. My experience on cycles is that I'm ready to shag most things that walk on 2 legs, but I have always included HCGenerate, and am glad to have it.

The key to effectively wielding the sword of my life, and making effective headway, has been my spiritual practice. My morning and evening chanting sessions give me the opportunity to tap into my greater self and check my lesser self (read-ego) that tries to limit me with thoughts of what I can't or shouldn't do.

The formula for me is; Make a determination+chant and make concrete efforts+repeat as necessary=break through and benefit.
 
When inner listening hurts.

I think I had taken 1 day off the gym in the past 5 weeks, so when I walked out onto the gym floor yesterday I did a quick inventory to check fatigue in my muscles. Other than my toes, everything was sore, even my fingers from doing a slight roll out on fore arms.

But I was there, and it was legs day, so....

I warmed up on squats, hit my numbers on my working sets, and I was done!

Sometimes you just know, and I knew.

So, day off today to get ready for heavy push and pull on the weekend. Wearing a tight T-Shirt today and turning heads. It's all worth it.
 
You mean I should take my own advices?

I changed form on my incline bench and it irritated my shoulder joints, and even after switching back they have been bothering me. So what do I do? Push through the pain! Yes, I'm serious...

Lesson re-learned. So a quick review of posts I have put out there for other people - Do exercises that don't cause discomfort in the shoulder joints. Extra strict form on everything with a good squeeze at the top. And remember, by being creative, you can make headway and gains that would not have been possible otherwise.

Wow, thanx Buddhabuilder, I'll let you know how it goes.
 
Gear update;

I ran out of my SARMS (S-4 and GW), so I'm dropping them out for 4 weeks, and then getting back on with some SARMS1 gear to see if it makes a difference. The uniquemicals stuff had some effect, but I'm willing to pay the extra if it is all that'a.

The most noticeable effects I'm getting right now, as I near the end of my 5th week, are a real full feeling in my muscles overall, but especially in my back and legs. I am also 6 pounds up with a little better definition. No big increase in strength right now, but I'm hitting my numbers and training all out.

On a side note, after letting my legs off a little easy last week on heavy day they seemed to think they could get away with it again. So my inner dialogue for the day consisted of, "OK, legs, this is the squat rack and we're going to be here for a while." Then hack squats, curls, extensions, Press, and calves. 1/2 hour on core and I was ready to crawl up the stairs for a shower.

I win!
 
Week 6 in progress and everything seems to be coming together.

I have an all over growing feeling constantly, complete with full pumps everywhere all the time. It's good I have a taste for this kind of pain, but even then....

This, and my clothes are all getting too small, and I'm talking big T-shirts and over shirts that I used to swim around in.

So I am pushing harder than ever on my training. Just this week I dropped out the lighter body cycle as I felt confident that I could continue making gains going as heavy as possible while staying in the 8-10 rep range. This was not based on not feeling any fatigue, mind you, just that kind of thing you "know" when you're completely tuned into your training. The only difference in the 2nd three day body cycle is I'm not doing the last exercise of 7 sets with 30 seconds rest; not yet anyway.

Flexing it up in the gym mirror with some of the boy/men in my gym yesterday I realized, it's all down to my cutting diet now. I have read where you can keep on making gains with Primo even on a calorie deficit, time to test that bit of information out.

I am competing with myself to bring my best, everyday.

I'm up for the challenge.
 
So week 6 was a constant feeling that I was growing. I was fatigued from my ankles to my fingers, and had this constant feeling of growing. Now it seems like I am right on the line of recovery, as the body parts I have scheduled are just ready on the day I plan to train them.

Is this my gear catching up with me? Or something like the gear saturating the muscle and settling in? Any thoughts are welcome.

I'm looking good!
 
So week 6 was a constant feeling that I was growing. I was fatigued from my ankles to my fingers, and had this constant feeling of growing. Now it seems like I am right on the line of recovery, as the body parts I have scheduled are just ready on the day I plan to train them.

Is this my gear catching up with me? Or something like the gear saturating the muscle and settling in? Any thoughts are welcome.

I'm looking good!

I'd say all your gear has kicked into to full swing. Combine that with a good diet and training and it feels like you're growing daily.

When you look good, you feel good.
When you feel good, you do good.

Keep killing it Buddha

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Is this it?

The fight is on now. 7 weeks in and holding strong to form over weight, while at the same time striving to kill it in real time.

Shoulder discomfort under control and I'm able to train everything with out further injury. Just staying away from side lats, flat bench, and decline dumb bell curls for right now. Focus on controlled negatives and a good squeeze at the top has me far from PR's but always rocking a good pump.

Ordering S-4 and GW from sarms1 is just out of my financial reach right now, and I am resisting going with uniquemocals for the time being. I had some MK-2866 in the cupboard and started that a couple days ago to help with the shoulders. I didn't see anything about using this particular sarm on cycle, but....hey...

Took my 5 year old son out for dinner and after using the potty he turned to the mirror and gave it a double bicept pose. I told the guys in the gym, "I don't know where he gets it.", they responded, "We do!"
 
No more mister nice guy....

So, as I worked through some shoulder irritation and a little pinch in my lower back I may have taken the whole "good form" thing to the extreme (extreme behavior from a body builder? Say it isn't so!). But anyway, it's been weeks of 1/3 counts with a good squeeze at full contraction, which left me with great pumps, but not impressive numbers. Done there, been that...

Today I moved back towards heavy with some deviation in form in the latter sets/reps, and right away saw the weights take off. Full stacking cable pull down right out of the gate, and feeling mean and lean in the process. Still being mindful of the shoulders but appear to be healing well, and will keep that mindfulness into fighting for max weight.

Just getting started...
 
Thanx Columbo.

The distractions and obstacles of daily life can sometimes present in a barage, and I always find that when I am on the verge of a breakthrough some situation comes along that pushes all my buttons at once. My custom made obstacles that bring all my self doubt and insecurities to the surface. But, with Buddhist practice, this is the best time to transform all of my baggage because it is in my face. It becomes the fuel for the fire of my adavancement.

Waking up this morning the first thought that I grabbed onto to pull myself into a fighting state of mind was, "How bad do I want it?"

As Columbo pointed out, this is the point in this cycle where I can make the most of the enhancement. But it is all down to me. How hard will I fight? How much power and self confidence can I bring out of my life in order to make the impossible possible? It's a struggle against my own self imposed limitations, and it is win or lose.

I started my day with Buddhsit practice and the determination to fight and be victorious. After that, it's all down to;

How bad do I want it?
 
Alright, here is the cycle layout. This is my third cycle and it is the natural progression of what I had done so far. Primo is the stand out new AAS for me here, and I look forward to meeting it with a fresh intensity in my workouts and diet.

1-20 Test Cyp 350mg per week, split in 2
1-20 Mast E 700mg per week, split in 2
1-10 Primo 600mg per week, split in 2
11-20 Primo 800mg per week, split in 2
1-6 GW501516 20mg a day, split in 2
1-6 S-4 50mg a day, split in 2
1-6 Tbol 50mg per day
15-20 Winstrol 50mg per day
N2Guard with orals
Aromasin 12.5mg on pin days
7-20 HCGenerate


I've been doing the SARMS for the past 10 weeks and include them here as part of my kick for their unique benefits.

I plan on getting bloods at week 10 to check my Estro levels, among other things.

With that posted, onto the good stuff

looks great except there is no reason in the world to only run gw for 6 weeks. NO suppression or sides and HUGE cycle benefits.Increase the gw length or add it again on the back end
 
Thanx Hurricane. Yes I plan on bringing the GW and S-4 in for the end of the cycle, and to bridge out onto TRT.
 
So, as projected, I upped the Primo to 800mg a week at the end of week 8. When gear kicks in with me I get mild cold sores in my mouth and this happened just now. That and a general feeling of increased well being make me think that the difference is coming on line, and this is the sweet spot for me. That and I can train forever in the gym, changing the order of body parts, sometimes doing the same work out after 1 day doing something else, I am never fatigued.

Body weight stabilized around 224 lbs., I am lean and mean (actually, not mean as no aggression sides to report. LOL!).
 
Very nice!! Keep up the hard work.

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Thanx for checking in COLUMBO.

I have been mindful to eat less since the beginning of this cycle. Mind you, that translates to 5 meals a day instead of 7 with 2 protein shakes. My body weight has remained stable, dropping 6 pounds from the beginning, and I have seen steady improvement in quality throughout. I will post a picture before Friday just to keep it honest.

I went to a body building show yesterday, just an amateur show like I am going to do, and I felt like I could compete with most of the guys I saw right then. But that isn't what it is about for me. I want to push myself harder, and at this point that means cutting diet. So I will sketch up a basic design and eat the same thing every day for a couple of months. I'm going to be 51 on Saturday. Hard to believe.

It's just the beginning...
 
Thanx for checking in COLUMBO.

I have been mindful to eat less since the beginning of this cycle. Mind you, that translates to 5 meals a day instead of 7 with 2 protein shakes. My body weight has remained stable, dropping 6 pounds from the beginning, and I have seen steady improvement in quality throughout. I will post a picture before Friday just to keep it honest.

I went to a body building show yesterday, just an amateur show like I am going to do, and I felt like I could compete with most of the guys I saw right then. But that isn't what it is about for me. I want to push myself harder, and at this point that means cutting diet. So I will sketch up a basic design and eat the same thing every day for a couple of months. I'm going to be 51 on Saturday. Hard to believe.

It's just the beginning...

51 is just a number bro, at 41 now i am in much better shape than most guys half my age.
 
When it all happens.

Last night my wife asked, "So, what records have you broken in the gym this week?"

I explained to her about how being on a cutting diet, and doing pre-breakfast cardio impacts lifts, but it got me thinking about the real fight in all this. The day to day, refusing to give up fight that bodybuilding, on or off cycle, is. I'm deep into this cycle, onto the 5th page of this thread, and am fighting all out, every day to keep the gains I have made while slowly cutting towards a show.

At times, there didn't seem to be much to write about. Losing 1 pound a week for the last month only sparks so much interest. But I engage in this battle without pause. I have won before stepping on the stage, because I refuse to give up.
 
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