Leaving powerlifting for good!

[strongestsurvive]

Bill did a meet with us in july of 97, he wore a double poly and only hit 460. It was at the APF Bench on the Beach in Anlgola, NY. The meet director was Mike Wlosinski, if you are not from New York you problably don't know the truth about Bill Crawford, there are some REAL 700 pound benchers from Upstate NY, all who live in the same town as Bill (Bob Hickey and Dave Barnes). All of us used to train at World Gym in Saratoga when Bill and Tom Hickey worked there. Dave and Bob both have done over 600 pound benches without shirts in meets. Bob Hickey did a 650 with out a shirt at a body weight of 270 back at the IPA nationals in 97. We are all from the same town and there are a lot of 500-700 pound benchers around the area. Everyone up there knows the truth about Bill, I am going to the Arnold this year to help out Paul Childress and if Bill is their I will confront him in front of everyone and I guarantee he will not lie to people who are from his hometown. I have trained with him and we have competed in alot of the same meets, I wish some of you can talk to dave barnes and bob hickey, if those two are around at the Arnold, Bill won't even try to lie and say he does 500 with out a shirt. They really get frustrated when bill gets more credit than all the people who are alot stronger than him. And all of them will tell you Bill is a KNOWN LIER. It may sound personal, but Bill shouldn't lie about what he really does with out a shirt.

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[strongestsurvive]

What was the meet where he did a 625 without a shirt?

 

[flapwrlftr]

He benched the 625 without the shirt in training. True or not doesn't matter. What does is he has benched 750 in a meet. That is all that matters. I saw Bob's 650 bench and he is one strong SOB, not doubting that. But, give Bill his credit. Nobody has ever benched more at 275 than he has. Like it or not equipment is part of the game.

 

[CytoMel]

Hey strongestsurvive why are you leaving the sport going out bashing the pioneer of modern powerlifting-Louie Simmons. Perhaps you should stop crying so much (thats why the bar keeps slipping out of your hands) and start respecting lifters who are stronger than you-instead of bashing them with lies. Go ahead and quit powerlifting if you want but nobody will believe your LIES about a bench shirt giving someone a 275 pound increase. I would like to see you go against Crawford or Simmons raw, or with a shirt and I know that if you tried to match their PR's then the far would come crashing down on your bra faster than Roseanne goes down on a plate of brownies!

 

[flapwrlftr]

Cyto,
What part of FLA are you in? I'm in the South FLA area. Always looking for new guys to come train with us.

 

[strongestsurvive]

I beat him in 97 and so did about 6 other guys, I was 19 at the time and hit 550, bill hit 460. We where both wearing poly shirts. The meet was at the NYS bench on the beach in Angola NY. The meet director in Mike Wlosinski (the northeast chair of the USPF). If you want his email I can send it to you and he will give you the meet results. And I wasn't putting louie down by saying he wears the equipment, I was using him as an example.

strongestsurvive

 

[flapwrlftr]

Strongest,
You beat him in 97 and that doesn't matter now. You seem to have a personal problem with Bill. That's between you guys. Bill has always been very helpful to me. We talk on the phone every couple of months and he's a good guy. If you don't like him, that's fine. But, that doesn't diminish what he has accomplished. I also know Mike and had dinner with him at the 99 Westside meet. I'm not doubting that you are a strong guy. I wish you all the best, but this personal stuff is best left off of the internet.

 

[cheesePuss]

Hey Flapwrlftr, I'm originally from Fort Lauderdale...and I might move back down there some day. Where do you guys train at.....I used to train at golds off Pine Island and also Worlds in Plantation

 

[Bigsatan13]

I guess in this case you don't live up to your handle. Goodbye and take your negative comments about our much loved way of life with you.

 

[Sebass67]

Ok...i am new to powerlifting so maybe my 2 cents ain't worth much...but here is what i think.

All this boils down to is someone who thinks that powerlifting shirts give too much of advantage.

I think he has a good point.

Isn't a raw bench press the most efficient way of measuring man vs. bar. Screw all this shirt talk bla bla bla...It gives rotator cuff protection etc...
Sounds like everyone has too much pride to lower their "PRs" by 100pds or more because they would rather live in this fantasy world of shirts. If you want to find out who really has the strongest bench you do it raw and if you have rotator cuff problems than find another way to protect yourself...I think there must be another way of protecting the shoulder.

In life you have no straps, no belts, no special shirts. So don't give someone a title of being stronger than someone else when in life they are not.

Just my 2 bits