Lab results! Low t!?!?

[Hen0152]

Hey guys just got my labs back and I'm pretty sure I have low t. I kinda suspected it from a lack of sex drive and energy. So I figured I'll get it checked. So here are my hormone results, let me know how you guys interpret them.

Estradiol: 64pmol/L
Ferritin:148ug/L
Fsh: 3.6U/L
Lh:3.2U/L
Prolactin:9.7 ug/L
Test AM:10.3 nmol/L (296 ng/dL)
Test PM: 5.8 nmol/L (167 ng/dL)
TSH: 1.85 mU/l

For a 25 year old I would suspect that those test levels are pretty low. Now my lab doesn't show a "free test" or "total test" it only shows as testosterone am and pm. I'm guessing they would refer to total test? Well my doc appointment is on Monday so I'll find out for sure then.

By the way I'm also going to be running a Sarm Search GW and S4 log as soon and my products arrive so I'll be updating on my labs at the end of the cycle. Can't wait to hear from you guys.

 

[Jbranken]

What's your age, stats, diet/training history bro? Sorry if you've given it before but it would really help to pinpoint your issues

 

[Hen0152]

What's your age, stats, diet/training history bro? Sorry if you've given it before but it would really help to pinpoint your issues

I'm 25, 200 lbs (maybe less, cutting currently and haven't weighed myself in a couple weeks) 6'1. I've been lifting since I was 18, started of and on at 16. Diet is pretty much flawless other than the odd cheat meal. I've done a couple of cycles of ph and one of test e all of which I researched extensively and followed good pct protocols. So don't tell me that's what the cause is lol. I will say that my test cycle was amazing! I felt the best I ever have in my life! So I'm guessing that comes from having naturally low t to begin with. Hopefully that gives you a better idea.

 

[Arabian]

It appears that your overall average test is 231.50 which is low for a 25 year old. How many cycles have you done? What pct regime did you follow and how long has it been since your last intake of any compound?

 

[Jbranken]

Well it's one of three things IMO:

1. Unhealthy/sedentary lifestyle
2. Not properly recovered
3. Underlying medical condition

Number one doesnt sound likey so let's move to number two. Tell us EXACTLY what you took for pct and for how long

 

[Hen0152]

First cycle was epi and I used forma along side then the OTC post cycle from ntbm. The two beast cycles both used forma and hcgen and clomid/ntbm post cycle for pct. then test with hcgen, n2guard, forma and clomid/mr supp post cycle in pct.

 

[Jbranken]

LH is in range but on the low side.. When did you finish your last pct? Not everyone can fully recover after one 4 week pct. That's why you get these bloods done. I know guys that have run 2-3 pct's before they were recovered. You obviously don't bounce back as easy as some guys. I'd definitely look into running another pct before cycling anything and further suppressing yourself

 

[Hen0152]

Oh yeah 4 week pct and waited two weeks after last inject for the test cycle

 

[Hen0152]

I finished my last cycle in may so in June I completed pct. I suspected low t before any of these cycles though. That's actually the reason I started doing them, still can't grow much facial hair, always had very low muscle amount. I wouldn't say depression but compared to how I felt on cycle my moods are usually pretty crappy.

 

[Jbranken]

You may have some trt potential but at your age, I would try anything I could to avoid relying on injecting for the rest of my life... I would say consult your doctor but they're fucking clueless. Id put together a sick natty stack, run it a few months and give it one last shot at least

 

[stevesmi]

seems to be a growing problem these days with everyone having low T.

its the environment and foods we are putting in our bodies..

 

[Hen0152]

seems to be a growing problem these days with everyone having low T.

its the environment and foods we are putting in our bodies..

I totally agree, food and water additives have got to play a role. I've been researching all afternoon and from what I've read a normal level for a 40 year old is around 500-600 ng/dl. In no way should my levels drop below 300 at only 25.

 

[LiftHeavy078]

What the hell are you guys talking about. Yeah, food made his T levels low. Are you serious? I know fat fucks that eat fast food all day and their T levels are higher than every single one of yours. You still have low levels from your cycle, this is common sense. Just run another natty PCT. Make it long, and make it big. It will be expensive but it's either you fuck with your T levels or you spend a little cash to get it right again. People who cycle don't like to admit the truth but it fucked your T levels up. I have done plenty of cycles but I can at least admit this. After your natty PCT, get checked again, if it's still low, run another. If you do it right it should be recovering. Wether you like the way this sounds or not, I am just trying to help you out and tell you the truth. I'm not trying to fuck with your body. I'm helping you to recover it.

 

[stevesmi]

What the hell are you guys talking about. Yeah, food made his T levels low. Are you serious? I know fat fucks that eat fast food all day and their T levels are higher than every single one of yours. You still have low levels from your cycle, this is common sense. Just run another natty PCT. Make it long, and make it big. It will be expensive but it's either you fuck with your T levels or you spend a little cash to get it right again. People who cycle don't like to admit the truth but it fucked your T levels up. I have done plenty of cycles but I can at least admit this. After your natty PCT, get checked again, if it's still low, run another. If you do it right it should be recovering. Wether you like the way this sounds or not, I am just trying to help you out and tell you the truth. I'm not trying to fuck with your body. I'm helping you to recover it.

ummm.. whats with the attitude? no one said running hormones doesn't mess with your HPTA.

but it is true that poor lifestyle choices will lower your T levels.. when you exercise you release hormones, this is a fact. when you have sex, you release hormones. so someone who sits in moms basement all day playing video games is gonna have a lower levels than if they got their ass off the couch and went and exercised and got laid. also there are foods that have been proven to suppress the body. i have numerous published articles naming these foods if you head over to muscle research and check them out. many of those foods are eaten almost on a daily basis with the american diet. and lets not forget drug and alcohol abuse.. and i'm not just talking about rec drugs, i am talking about drugs that docs hand out like candy.

and no one is gonna disagree with you that the OP should run a natty cycle and try and recover his T levels naturally before resorting to TRT. there are way way way way too many guys who give up and go on HRT at a young age when they shouldn't. in fact thats why i wrote up a little something on phyto-serms http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...new-formula-out-buy-2-get-1-free-1257863.html which will help the OP

 

[LiftHeavy078]

ummm.. whats with the attitude? no one said running hormones doesn't mess with your HPTA.

but it is true that poor lifestyle choices will lower your T levels.. when you exercise you release hormones, this is a fact. when you have sex, you release hormones. so someone who sits in moms basement all day playing video games is gonna have a lower levels than if they got their ass off the couch and went and exercised and got laid. also there are foods that have been proven to suppress the body. i have numerous published articles naming these foods if you head over to muscle research and check them out. many of those foods are eaten almost on a daily basis with the american diet.

and no one is gonna disagree with you that the OP should run a natty cycle and try and recover his T levels naturally before resorting to TRT. there are way way way way too many guys who give up and go on HRT at a young age when they shouldn't. in fact thats why i wrote up a little something on phyto-serms http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...new-formula-out-buy-2-get-1-free-1257863.html which will help the OP

The attitude wasn't intentional, it's just that I see a bunch of people who cycle on all of these "bro" forums who are in complete denial and are turning the entire underground community into the wrong direction when it comes to the truth. I know food nowadays can mess up your hormones, but this guy is 25. Even if he lived his life very unhealthy his T levels should be awesome. As he said though, he lives his life very healthy. He admitted he has cycled and everyone posting in this thread is acting like they are bum fucking confused as to why his T levels are low. When I see that, it just hits me the wrong way.

 

[Hen0152]

The attitude wasn't intentional, it's just that I see a bunch of people who cycle on all of these "bro" forums who are in complete denial and are turning the entire underground community into the wrong direction when it comes to the truth. I know food nowadays can mess up your hormones, but this guy is 25. Even if he lived his life very unhealthy his T levels should be awesome. As he said though, he lives his life very healthy. He admitted he has cycled and everyone posting in this thread is acting like they are bum fucking confused as to why his T levels are low. When I see that, it just hits me the wrong way.

Respect the opinion man but I'm not blaming it on food and I'm not saying that my cycles haven't affected my hormones either what I am saying is that before I even ran the cycles and having good diet and exercise, I still had issues and symptoms of low T. Factors that may contribute to this could be but are definitely not limited to the gmo foods and growth hormones used in animals. And then there's the genetic aspect that could be an issue as well.

 

[Jbranken]

The attitude wasn't intentional, it's just that I see a bunch of people who cycle on all of these "bro" forums who are in complete denial and are turning the entire underground community into the wrong direction when it comes to the truth. I know food nowadays can mess up your hormones, but this guy is 25. Even if he lived his life very unhealthy his T levels should be awesome. As he said though, he lives his life very healthy. He admitted he has cycled and everyone posting in this thread is acting like they are bum fucking confused as to why his T levels are low. When I see that, it just hits me the wrong way.

Since I'm the only other poster in this thread besides Steve and OP, I'll assume this know-it-all statement was directed towards me.

You can't just automatically assume its because of a cycle. Sorry for trying to get detailed info on his past rather than making a guess. Thats what we do on EF; we're thorough. And what did we conclude? That he didn't properly recover and he should run another pct. We didn't need your insight to figure that out. It was already said on the first page.

And guess what? There are tons of young men suffering from low T because of the exact shit Steve wrote about. There is no cookie cutter or black and white answer for threads like these which is why I was thorough. But what do I know? I'm "bum fucking confused". Thanks for your contribution to the thread...

 

[EatLiftSleepRepeat]

I was 6ft 305 with bad eating habits and a drinking problem. Mine was 376 total and low range on free test(forget the #) which I thought was pretty damn low

 

[Hen0152]

I was 6ft 305 with bad eating habits and a drinking problem. Mine was 376 total and low range on free test(forget the #) which I thought was pretty damn low

Not making me feel any better man! Lol

 

[EatLiftSleepRepeat]

Haha sorry man I was just giving another example! You will be fine bro we are here to help!

 

[Hen0152]

Haha no worries. Thanks for the input! A script isn't horrible but I'll try to do a natty recover again. I'm pretty sure this was pre existing though.

 

[Zyglamail]

I know food nowadays can mess up your hormones, but this guy is 25. Even if he lived his life very unhealthy his T levels should be awesome.

Thats a very naive outlook. Dou you think the human body can survive 25 years without needed nutrients and be perfectly fine?

Its not bad enough our food sources are laced with poison but we are inundated with toxins everywhere we turn not to mention water intentionally contaminated with chlorine and fluoride.

 

[noodles1010]

Just went through this... By blood tests, this is what I found that works.

Pct
Week 1 and 2- 1500iu hcg 2x week
Week 1 and 2- 75iu hmg Ed or eod
Week 1and 2- 12.5 mg pharm quality aromasin
Week 3 thru 6- clomid 75/75/50/25
Week 3 thru 6- I liked test infusion however phytoserms can be used as well.
Week 1-6- power chews daa!!! This made a huge difference.


Supps to take-
50mg zinc Ed
500mg magnesium Ed
B12 either inj. Or tabs
Very good multi vitamin
Fish oil
Yohimbine
Ginko biloba

Other helps-
Less stress
Glass of wine Ed
Clean eating (low fats)
Lose body fat.

This is PROVEN to work. My total t went from 207- 389 and I wasn't exercising! If u are it should go beyond that even. My free t went from 50- 80. This is all the advice I can give. It worked for me I dont see why it wouldn't for you.
Good luck

 

[Shrine1]

LH is in range but on the low side.. When did you finish your last pct? Not everyone can fully recover after one 4 week pct. That's why you get these bloods done. I know guys that have run 2-3 pct's before they were recovered. You obviously don't bounce back as easy as some guys. I'd definitely look into running another pct before cycling anything and further suppressing yourself

This holds true for me.. I ran a prop and var cycle, and didnt quite fully recover. I didnt run a full on PCT with serms but I did run test boosters for another 4 weeks.

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[Hen0152]

Man no kidding about docs not having a fucking clue!! At first she said she wasn't worried about my t level because it was "in range" even though it was as low as it could possibly be without being under. Then I showed her the pm results and she finally agreed but said I look like a man so she still not worried!!! Lmfao! Then she was gonna write a script for Viagra!!! Wtf?!?! So she went an consulted the other doctor and he advised seeing an endo and testosterone. What a fucking joke.

 

[Shrine1]

Lol.. she was going to write you for a script for viagra at 25yrs.. dumb

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[Hen0152]

Lol.. she was going to write you for a script for viagra at 25yrs.. dumb

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Lol yeah oh well I'll get to talk to an endo soon and hopefully they are a little brighter. She already started me on cyp though which surprised me only 100 mg every 2 weeks...

 

[noodles1010]

Reading thru your pct's that you said were on point... Hate to tell you, they sucked bro. No hcg, clomid probably was garbage, pro hormones with no test, I've seen more damage done by pro hormones than by actual injectables. To be honest I'm not surprised ur t is diminished. U can still climb natty but smashing it down with more test... You're done. Go freeze ur sperm now if u ever plan on having kids. My test was low as fuck for almost a year and docs said it's all over go on trt... That was 8 months ago and guess what bud, I read, researched, and wrote up my own protocol with some help from some good guys here and on other forums and my t is over 400 now. Doctors don't know shit and make all their money off jacking you up on drugs. Don't be a statistic. Use your brain. 25 is too young to be on trt... Unless you don't care about having kids and pinnin for the rest of your life. Then go for it.

 

[Shrine1]

Reading thru your pct's that you said were on point... Hate to tell you, they sucked bro. No hcg, clomid probably was garbage, pro hormones with no test, I've seen more damage done by pro hormones than by actual injectables. To be honest I'm not surprised ur t is diminished. U can still climb natty but smashing it down with more test... You're done. Go freeze ur sperm now if u ever plan on having kids. My test was low as fuck for almost a year and docs said it's all over go on trt... That was 8 months ago and guess what bud, I read, researched, and wrote up my own protocol with some help from some good guys here and on other forums and my t is over 400 now. Doctors don't know shit and make all their money off jacking you up on drugs. Don't be a statistic. Use your brain. 25 is too young to be on trt... Unless you don't care about having kids and pinnin for the rest of your life. Then go for it.

Would you always suggest test be stacked with DS's? Im about to run a Helladrol/Katana stack and I wasnt planning on having test as a base in this case... im not trying to fuck my self up

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[noodles1010]

Would you always suggest test be stacked with DS's? Im about to run a Helladrol/Katana stack and I wasnt planning on having test as a base in this case... im not trying to fuck my self up

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If you're gonna run something, why fuck around? Just fully commit and go on cycle. The problem is, is that your t is already low. Real low. Your only doing further damage. Your not healed and not functioning normally.

How long have your t levels been this low?

Did you ever run bloods before doing anything?

Do you have recent bloods?

 

[Shrine1]

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If you're gonna run something, why fuck around? Just fully commit and go on cycle. The problem is, is that your t is already low. Real low. Your only doing further damage. Your not healed and not functioning normally.

How long have your t levels been this low?

Did you ever run bloods before doing anything?

Do you have recent bloods?

Youre getting me confused with the other guy. Im 31 and last time I got bloods done I was sitting around 500. Currently im running a SARMs triple stack going to bridge into the DS's. Ill get bllods done for sure before hand to make sure everything is on the up and up, but I saw you mention test being a base while running a PH cycle.. in this case its a DS cycle.

Sorry bro... not trying to highjack thread so we wont get to far off topic

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[noodles1010]

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Youre getting me confused with the other guy. Im 31 and last time I got bloods done I was sitting around 500. Currently im running a SARMs triple stack going to bridge into the DS's. Ill get bllods done for sure before hand to make sure everything is on the up and up, but I saw you mention test being a base while running a PH cycle.. in this case its a DS cycle.

Sorry bro... not trying to highjack thread so we wont get to far off topic

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Honestly, result wise it's night and day. Unless you're running beast which in all reality is just a really toxic oral steroid lol. In my experience and travels I find that A LOT of people have MUCH smoother ph cycles and recovery when using a test base. The next question is why... That is a question I don't have the answer to yet. I never really bothered into looking for the answer cause honestly instead of running a harsh analog of the real deal, I'd rather run the smoother corse with actual gear. At least that way I KNOW what to expect gain wise, side wise, "hidden issues" like prolactin build up, estrogen ect, I know what to have on hand, take to combat these things. They're proven results, with proven recoveries, and proven preventatives.

But really in a nut shell, it all boils down to, I just don't like ph's personally. Dylan, Steve, or any knowledgable vet here could tell u why as far as test base vs no test base. Some guys love them. Me personally... I'd rather play with my chemistry set lmao.

 

[Shrine1]

Thanks for the insight

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[Liquid 2009]

seems to be a growing problem these days with everyone having low T.

its the environment and foods we are putting in our bodies..

You're not kidding! I'm seeing an overwhelming amount of 21+ year olds and sometimes younger getting on, been put on, or looking to get on TRT.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Just went through this... By blood tests, this is what I found that works.

Pct
Week 1 and 2- 1500iu hcg 2x week
Week 1 and 2- 75iu hmg Ed or eod
Week 1and 2- 12.5 mg pharm quality aromasin
Week 3 thru 6- clomid 75/75/50/25
Week 3 thru 6- I liked test infusion however phytoserms can be used as well.
Week 1-6- power chews daa!!! This made a huge difference.


Supps to take-
50mg zinc Ed
500mg magnesium Ed
B12 either inj. Or tabs
Very good multi vitamin
Fish oil
Yohimbine
Ginko biloba

Other helps-
Less stress
Glass of wine Ed
Clean eating (low fats)
Lose body fat.

This is PROVEN to work. My total t went from 207- 389 and I wasn't exercising! If u are it should go beyond that even. My free t went from 50- 80. This is all the advice I can give. It worked for me I dont see why it wouldn't for you.
Good luck

A free T level of 80 is still kinda low. Shoulda added some UNLEASHED.

 

[noodles1010]

A free T level of 80 is still kinda low. Shoulda added some UNLEASHED.

Ran unleashed a few times. Wasn't really impressed with the results, no disrespect. Ran a single dose one run a long time ago and ran a double dose a while down the road. The double dose I noticed a little difference, blood work showed minor increase. Nothing huge tho.

 

[Shrine1]

Ran unleashed a few times. Wasn't really impressed with the results, no disrespect. Ran a single dose one run a long time ago and ran a double dose a while down the road. The double dose I noticed a little difference, blood work showed minor increase. Nothing huge tho.

So what would you suggest to run along side of a cycle... to keep libido high during? And what have you found has been a great test booster in PCT?

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[Shrine1]

Disregard my last question.. you answered it above.

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[noodles1010]

So what would you suggest to run along side of a cycle... to keep libido high during? And what have you found has been a great test booster in PCT?

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Along a cycle, your libido should be high during that alone.
In pct, I ran a few different things but only lost my libido once but I was stoned stupid and on a high dose of clomid so idk if u can count that lol.

For pct I run
Aromasin 12.5 mg eod thru pct
Hmg 75iu Ed after last pin for two weeks
Hcg 1500iu 2x a week for two weeks inter muscular inj after last pin
Then after the two weeks from last test pin...
Clomid 75/75/50/25
Daa
Test infusion or ultra male rx

Sometimes ill run this longer than just 4 weeks. U might be better running it for 6weeks if you wanna be extra careful.
This is what works for me.