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JeetKuneDo
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if u codition your hands then you should b ok,.... investigate a gravel pad ...... after you work the knuckles, move onto fingers, then onto your thumbs .... it takes time, b careful ......
with regard to the arthritus ...... and movement can produce this, my sifu bob breen #1 knife comabatter in the world, and Dan insonatos 1'st student in Europe has it in both hips due to his training.
with regard to the arthritus ...... and movement can produce this, my sifu bob breen #1 knife comabatter in the world, and Dan insonatos 1'st student in Europe has it in both hips due to his training.
thanx!
just a few questions....whats a gravel pad? i looked on the net and turned up nothing (other than gravel driveways)
and how do you condition your hands (fingers+thumbs)? other than a variety of pushups i occasionally do i dont, and i used to do loads of bag work but stopped due to an injury. can u recommend anyting. cheers!
just a few questions....whats a gravel pad? i looked on the net and turned up nothing (other than gravel driveways)
and how do you condition your hands (fingers+thumbs)? other than a variety of pushups i occasionally do i dont, and i used to do loads of bag work but stopped due to an injury. can u recommend anyting. cheers!
JeetKuneDo
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bascially there r 3 diffrent type of gravel pads, the first tupe of pad u will encounter, and most likely use is the leather bag..... your first step is to hit these wearing bag mits as im sure you do..... second hit it with hand wraps, then bare nuckle... now move onto the second bag, its a thin bag about 3' thick, u put it on the all, its full of sand and is made of canvas .. this will tuffen your hand even more, next is a tray full of sand, when u r tuff enuff ... i.e the skin on your hand, you should hit the sand with a good deal of power and develop furthermore .... its to stop your hands splitting when you hit someone in the face... aslo can b used for elbows, shins etc.........
If u want to strengthen, i highley recommend an eagal catcher .. it will develop yoru hands well . start with push ups on hands, then nuckles, then all 5 fingers, then 4, then 3, then 2, then 1, untill finally that last one is your thumb....... these routines will greatly improve your physical ability at trapping.
If u want to strengthen, i highley recommend an eagal catcher .. it will develop yoru hands well . start with push ups on hands, then nuckles, then all 5 fingers, then 4, then 3, then 2, then 1, untill finally that last one is your thumb....... these routines will greatly improve your physical ability at trapping.
oh good god, a push up on my thumb 
im in awe you can do all that stuff. thats gonna be some hard core training for me for the next few years. i already have punched a sand bag with bare hands but i havent go back into it for months now. i guess i gotta
thanx for the reply, really useful
im in awe you can do all that stuff. thats gonna be some hard core training for me for the next few years. i already have punched a sand bag with bare hands but i havent go back into it for months now. i guess i gotta
thanx for the reply, really useful
JeetKuneDo
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No worrys danielson ,,,,, u need any help, of infro with regards to martial arts, or training, if i can help, just drop me an email or something. take it easy fella.
take it easy fella.SleepingFist
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Just to chuck in a bit if the evidence, master Higoanna of Goju Ryu has visciously conditioned his hands for something like forty years and guess what? When an intensive studywas performed on his hands they found they were absolutely normal. This may seem surprising as he spends (when he was alive) most of his mornings doing said knuckle press ups, slapping flour stones (flat circular stone tools for grinding flour) and performing other rites on makiwara etc. I have performed knuckle press ups in hideous positions, as part of my hand conditioning for something in the region of thirty years and again can still play the piano and suffer no pain or lack of flexibility in the joints of my hands. I am aware that some people have made claims about some exercises causing arthritis; the problem here is that just because you get some form of pathological condition occur and you perform a particular kind of exercise, people associate the one with the other; the point is they may not be related. Also, from a statistical point of iew, no one as yet has done a study to determine whether the percentage of people who do knuckle press ups and get arthritis is any different to the amount who get arthritis in the hands across the population as a whole.
It is true that certain exercises can bugger certain joints, in my experience this is knees, hips and shoulders most often and the same is largly true of potential injury areas with bodybuilding and other sports.
It is important to remember, however, that conditioning the hand through knuckle press ups and thusly (if performed with the classical emphysis on the front two knuckles) you are thence inclined to punch incorrectly despite the dictate of your style, system or coach.
I have a feeling I am being contraversial but I am always open to having my mind changed....this ones getting a bit old.
It is true that certain exercises can bugger certain joints, in my experience this is knees, hips and shoulders most often and the same is largly true of potential injury areas with bodybuilding and other sports.
It is important to remember, however, that conditioning the hand through knuckle press ups and thusly (if performed with the classical emphysis on the front two knuckles) you are thence inclined to punch incorrectly despite the dictate of your style, system or coach.
I have a feeling I am being contraversial but I am always open to having my mind changed....this ones getting a bit old.
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On the other hand, Bruce Haines, world record power breaker has chronic arthritis. In winter his hands are so sore he has to hold them under running hot water before he can move them.
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SleepingFist
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The problem we have here is that he has arthritis and just happens to be the world record power breaker or he is the world record breaker and just happens to have arthritis as opposed to the tow being related. Worse still, in order to achieve the feet of breaking objects, what conditioning did he undertake? Was it performed with the users health in mind (as in with patience and good medicine) or did he go a bit psychotic in order to break a record (or set one)? Clearly I do not know the answers to these questions but without all the facts I suppose we are in dnger of assuming connections where there may be none.
My father has arthritis and cancer and is also married.....therefore, given the evidence, I am avoiding marrriage....
My father has arthritis and cancer and is also married.....therefore, given the evidence, I am avoiding marrriage....
sleeping fist you make me laugh 
I wonder if arthritis can therefore be ground for divorce?
I suppose to really look at this we need to determine exactly what behaviours/practices/conditions can bring about arthritis and them sensibly avoid them . . . reagrdless of whether it is for martial practice or not.
So, what does cause arthritis?
I wonder if arthritis can therefore be ground for divorce?I suppose to really look at this we need to determine exactly what behaviours/practices/conditions can bring about arthritis and them sensibly avoid them . . . reagrdless of whether it is for martial practice or not.
So, what does cause arthritis?
SleepingFist
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Well, pretty big subject, however, it is a degenerative disease which is most often associated with ageing but
can also occur or 'develope' I suppose is a better term, from injury or extreme stress as you may get in athletics or other sports and even as a result of a defective protein comprising the cartilage. Osteoarthritis seems to be genetic so I don't think that's what we are talking about.
Any 'itis' is an inflamation...like Appendicitis, an inflamation of the Appendics (how is that spelt anyway...I'm going back to Uni). The specific stresses from sports,however, would seem to be our prime concern. When the sinovial membrane of a joint becomes worn, there is a kind of rubbing between the joint surfaces and you wind up with your 'itis'. You can wind up with a fibrotic build up but then saying all this, you are realy more likely to develope an arthritic condition from being too sedentary.
Statistically, more Americans take time off work for arthritic conditions than any other condition (I don't know what criteria this was based on though) so if someone just happens to do something odd or out of the ordinary and have a disease or condition, it is pretty likely that it will be arthritic in nature and an easy scapegoat for us to blame stuff on.
One of my old instructors was the biggest mess of degenerative illness and collapsing body tissue I had ever come across, yet this did not put me off doing Chen style Small Circle Tai Chi, it did put me off eating sometimes but then I have a pretty warped imagination......I don't feel well.
can also occur or 'develope' I suppose is a better term, from injury or extreme stress as you may get in athletics or other sports and even as a result of a defective protein comprising the cartilage. Osteoarthritis seems to be genetic so I don't think that's what we are talking about.
Any 'itis' is an inflamation...like Appendicitis, an inflamation of the Appendics (how is that spelt anyway...I'm going back to Uni). The specific stresses from sports,however, would seem to be our prime concern. When the sinovial membrane of a joint becomes worn, there is a kind of rubbing between the joint surfaces and you wind up with your 'itis'. You can wind up with a fibrotic build up but then saying all this, you are realy more likely to develope an arthritic condition from being too sedentary.
Statistically, more Americans take time off work for arthritic conditions than any other condition (I don't know what criteria this was based on though) so if someone just happens to do something odd or out of the ordinary and have a disease or condition, it is pretty likely that it will be arthritic in nature and an easy scapegoat for us to blame stuff on.
One of my old instructors was the biggest mess of degenerative illness and collapsing body tissue I had ever come across, yet this did not put me off doing Chen style Small Circle Tai Chi, it did put me off eating sometimes but then I have a pretty warped imagination......I don't feel well.
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