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Kick Boxing for self defense????

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i was juggling around wether to do Ju-jitsu, or jeet kune do, now im also thinining about kickboxing.

what r some advantages of kickboxing? r the punches and leg strikes effective in a street fight situation????

i was also thinking about boxing, tkd, and karate

oppinions??

trying to find wich would be most effective as a form a self defense.... and help my phisique also...

should i go a few monthes of one.. then another? or should i go a few years before i switch arts or styles??

im going to college i kno that at the scool..or round that rea they have atlest kickboxing, boxing and tkd.
 
I'm guessing you mean Muay Thai when you say kickboxing correct?

If so this art and its techniques have a lot to offer in terms of street practicality. Muay Thai is best combined with American boxing because the western style of boxing will help you develope better hands. Muay Thai Kickboxers are viscious fighters, but they don't have the hands that boxers do. If you add some western boxing in with your Muay Thai or simply do a TON of punching drills you will most likely get the desired effect. Muay Thai is effective for two reasons: its no nonsense techniques and because it demands physical fitness from its practicioners. Unlike Tae Kwon Do and Karate practicioners, Muay Thai practicioners must master not only the technique that is a part of the art, but they must master themselves physically. Since Tae Kwon Do and Karate practicioners have a rediculous "one punch/one kill" philosophy they rarely work on combinations, quick footwork, or practical defense. Muay Thai is much more fast paced than Tae Kwon Do and Karate and as such requires the practicioner to have good cardiovascular stamina and endurance. The technique is also superior to karate and Tae kwon Do in most respects as well. Muay Thai teaches hard yet quick striking. Instead of karate chops you will punch, instead of using the foot as your primary weapon you will use your shins, instead of flashy kicks you will learn DEVISTATINGLY EXPLOSIVE leg and body kicks as well as practice knee and elbow striking. You will not learn to be a hollywood stuntman with Muay Thai, but you will be a hell of a lot better fighter and you will be far better suited with it as your means of self defense versus Karate and Tae Kwon Do.
 
FISTS, LEGS, KNEES, ELBOWS, ETC.

I'm guessing you mean Muay Thai when you say kickboxing correct?

If so this art and its techniques have a lot to offer in terms of street practicality. Muay Thai is best combined with American boxing because the western style of boxing will help you develope better hands. Muay Thai Kickboxers are viscious fighters, but they don't have the hands that boxers do. If you add some western boxing in with your Muay Thai or simply do a TON of punching drills you will most likely get the desired effect. Muay Thai is effective for two reasons: its no nonsense techniques and because it demands physical fitness from its practicioners. Unlike Tae Kwon Do and Karate practicioners, Muay Thai practicioners must master not only the technique that is a part of the art, but they must master themselves physically. Since Tae Kwon Do and Karate practicioners have a rediculous "one punch/one kill" philosophy they rarely work on combinations, quick footwork, or practical defense. Muay Thai is much more fast paced than Tae Kwon Do and Karate and as such requires the practicioner to have good cardiovascular stamina and endurance. The technique is also superior to karate and Tae kwon Do in most respects as well. Muay Thai teaches hard yet quick striking. Instead of karate chops you will punch, instead of using the foot as your primary weapon with kicks you will use your shins, instead of flashy kicks you will learn DEVISTATINGLY EXPLOSIVE leg and body kicks as well as practice knee and elbow striking. You will not learn to be a hollywood stuntman with Muay Thai, but you will be a hell of a lot better fighter and you will be far better suited with it as your means of self defense versus Karate or Tae Kwon Do.

I still think you should combine the Muay Thai with some form of grappling. Muay Thai combined with Brazilian Juijitsu, Shootfighting, Submission Wrestling, or Sambo would make you ready for just about anything bro.


Feel free to ask me any follow up questions you might have. I will do my best to help you out.
 
out of curiousity why no kicking with the foot?

less area on target = more pressure i would have thought?
 
i dont think it is muay thai kickboxing... It just says kickboxing.

i havent seen a class..just atthe gym there is a group of instructers that come in on certian nights.. monday thursday is juijitsu- and for i think wednisday and saturday it just says kickboxing...
 
Kicking with foot= broken foot, broken toes, broken ankle, sprained ankle.

I am speaking in terms of round house kicks of course. Spear or front thrust kicks require the foot and as long as your toes are curled up and away while letting the ball of your foot hit the target you shouldn't get injured. The foot is not the best weapon because of how fragile it is. You may sometimes inadvertently use it when your shin is just out of reach, but it's not a good policy to intentionally attack a target with your foot as the weapon. Muay Thai style kicking makes karate and Tae Kwon Do kicking look like hugging. The shins, foot rotation, and whipping motion make Muay Thai kicks extremely powerful and devistating.

You said: "less area on target = more pressure i would have thought?"

This isn't the case because the pressure derived from "the whip", the foot rotation, and the substantially higher amount of bodyweight being used in the kick make a simple comparison of impact area physics null and void. The key is that the shin in Muay Thai is being propelled by a tremedous amount of force to its target. So much force in fact that the foot is even less able to endure as a direct and intentional weapon. The shin being much harder and larger than the foot makes a far more effective and more durable weapon. One kickboxer who had cross trained in karate and other arts said it best "The difference beween getting hit with a foot or a shin is similar to the difference between getting hit with a baseball or a baseball bat". Which would you rather have smashing into your body?

One art that does use the feet effectively and safely, however, is Savate. They practice with shoes on and train you to use the shoe as a weapon. Other arts that make extensive use of the feet don't factor in shoes so you can't really use it as a weapon or for protection. Since the shoe isn't taken advantage of in karate and Tae kwon do you still have elevated chances of breaking your foot with or without shoes.
 
my friend knows muay thai. he was train in thailand since he was a kid the guy is only 5"3 at 140lb an i swear he kicks everybodys ass that messes with him he ever fought two people at once the guy is fucking fear less
 
thanks again kwai :)

i must say breaking blocks with roundhouse kicks can be painful using the ball of the foot (if like me you forget to bend your toes back and rely on the shoe your wearing :) )....so maybe i'll stick with shins if i ever get in a real fight

i think i'll go do some research on the foot rotation and whipping you spoke of on the kicks....as im not sure whether you meant rotation of the standing foot (seems most likely as more power) or striking foot (can see why other than to kick in horizontally), and where the whip came from (assuming the waist)

more books and vids for me i guess :)
 
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I kick in a fight. And I am very glad there are still guys out there like you who don't expect that. THERE IS NOTHING QUITE LIKE THE SURPRISE ON SOMEONE'S FACE ONCE THEY EXPERIENCE THE PAIN OF A MUAY THAI ROUNDHOUSE KICK TO THEIR THIGH. I get chills just thinking about it.
 
I'd agree with that KCC. THe thai kick is one of my 3 favorite kicks. Muaythai also has a lot to offer for Self defense with it's clinch work( which is known as "getting dressed" in thai).

I do muaythai nad box and the boxing has helped out tons. If you cannot do muaythai, boxinf and kickboxing are not bad
 
train in any martial art that teaches striking with hands arms legs knees etc.

this will enable you to strike with out thinking because when the time comes you will be too worried about the sweating the heart pumping the head ache the shaking and the fact you now need clean under wear.

what ever you do pressure test it, get some one to rush at you screaming they are going to kick you F'in head in and see if you can pull off your favourite kick or punch ..... Not much works in the real world.

Instant assesment of the situation is important, do you kill before being killed or is it a drunk idiot that can be controlled with an arm lock.

You have to practice being quick desisive and first. 5 seconds thinking could mean your on the floor and its all over. 10 seconds with someone grabbing your throat and your dead.

I train with www.rsda.org.uk its real, it works and it works with or with out martial arts training
 
Kwai-Chang Caine said:
I kick in a fight. And I am very glad there are still guys out there like you who don't expect that. THERE IS NOTHING QUITE LIKE THE SURPRISE ON SOMEONE'S FACE ONCE THEY EXPERIENCE THE PAIN OF A MUAY THAI ROUNDHOUSE KICK TO THEIR THIGH. I get chills just thinking about it.
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kicks are way too predictable, if you are using periferal vison then you can see them coming a mile away, especially at close range, if you try and kick a huge tank mofo that knows how to grapple he's gonna just grab your leg and snap it
 
MUSCLETECHSUX,

No offense bro, but you don't know what you are talking about. Kicks to the legs and body are extremely effective in both sport and street fighting. Furthermore, kicks aren't predictable. Most people don't expect them and in the case of kicks to the body and especially to the legs, most people won't see them coming. Leg kicks will work against anyone. The best grapplers in the world don't stop them on a regular basis so it's not likely that Joe Bluebelt or Barry Barfighter are going to fair any better.

If you don't believe me I suggest you go visit a Muay Thai, Shootfighting, or Mixed Martial Arts school sometime and tell them how you feel about kicks. I'm sure you would find your lesson to be quite a humbling experience.
 
Kwai-Chang Caine said:
MUSCLETECHSUX,

No offense bro, but you don't know what you are talking about. Kicks to the legs and body are extremely effective in both sport and street fighting. Furthermore, kicks aren't predictable. Most people don't expect them and in the case of kicks to the body and especially to the legs, most people won't see them coming. Leg kicks will work against anyone. The best grapplers in the world don't stop them on a regular basis so it's not likely that Joe Bluebelt or Barry Barfighter are going to fair any better.

If you don't believe me I suggest you go visit a Muay Thai, Shootfighting, or Mixed Martial Arts school sometime and tell them how you feel about kicks. I'm sure you would find your lesson to be quite a humbling experience.
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It really depends on who you're up against, if it's some fat untrained barfly then sure maybe he'd be stupid enough to get hit with a kick and not see it coming but someone like me who has been training in kung fu, wrestling and kickboxing for over 5 years would be another story, when you walk into a fight you don't just 'guess' what your oppenent is going to do, you wouldn't just stand there staring at his face and hope that he throws a punch, you learn 'periferal vision' and and how peoples body mechanism works thus enabling you to read your opponent like a book by watching every part of his body at once. At school once this kid knew tae kwon do and thought he was top shit cuz he could do all these high fancy kicks, he tried a roundhouse kick to the midsection and i simply raised my leg and his shin hit my knee...fight over, if it was a higher kick i would of just stepped out of the way, caught it and snapped his leg. Don't tell me that i don't know what i'm talking about because when i fight i don't plan on standing there trading blows with someone and having a slugfest i plan on walking into the fight to win and if you get kicked simply because you don't see it coming then i would have to question your skill
 
MUSCLETECHSUX,

I have cross trained in all of those styles which you have listed and not a single one of them has a wide assortment of realistic submissions. I don't see how you figure your just going to break someones leg because you grabbed it. That's like all of those gay ass Din Mak guys walking around telling people how they can kill you if they touch you. You may be good, but you aren't immune to kicks and you surely aren't better than any UFC or Pride competitor. Those guys are world class fighters and they take kicks from time to time, especially leg kicks. The example you gave regarding the Tae Kwon Do guy you tooled is off base because he is a Tae Kwon Do practicioner for God sakes. If that had been a Thai practicioner or a mixed martial artists with conditioned shins and an iron will I doubt you would have faired so well. Furthermore, with a kickboxing background I find it very surprising that you underestimate the power of a thai roundhouse kick.
 
Its not about how easily i coulda snapped his leg or how tough i am its about seeing the kick coming in the first place, i can kick as well, and i can do the splits, and backflips and all that fancy shit that martial arts movie buffs reckon looks cool but the fact is that kicks only work most of the time as finishing moves once you opponent is beaten up pretty bad already. Low kicks are dead easy to block, grab or counter kick against , high kicks you can see a mile away if you know what you're doing. Do you honestly think you're gonna get a nice clean gut or leg kick in 100% of the time without being grabbed and thrown to the grown or leg sweeped? I'm not saying kicks suck I'm just saying you gotta know when and how to use them and don't really on your opponent being an idiot and 'not expecting it'.
 
Dude, if you are bending down trying to grab low leg kicks you're going to end up like Mark Coleman in UFC 17. He took what I like to call the Pete Williams Asics shoelace taste test.

I still find it very interesting that you play off leg kicks as if they are something easy to block, grab, etc. The best full contact fighters in the world can't even pull that off easily. Are you meaning to tell me that your skills exceed those of a Sakuraba, Gracie, Silva, or Ortiz? Besides, If leg kicks were so damn easy to neutralize they wouldn't be used OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

I seriously suggest that you spar with some solid fighters. But then again it may not be a problem for you since you are the world's greatest kick defender right?
 
Kwai-chang kain
I think you need to read my posts properly before you reply, I never claimed to be the worlds greatest fighter nor did i say that kicks dont work, I simply said that kicks leave you too open and when you throw a kick its a matter of luck, you're on one leg and the other person can easily kick you as well. I kick, but I do it right, i pick the right time and i look for a window or opening my opponents guard. If you throw a kick, it might hit him, but what if he's quicker and kicks you in the balls as a desperation move while your legs in the air. I never risk openings like that until i know that I can land the strike without any problems. The fact is it's not hard to grab someone's leg when they kick, even if it means getting kicked in the stomach, the will do whatever they can because they want your head on a platter, all it takes is a quick grab of your ankle and your off balance. Walk into a fight with a Wing Chun Practitioner and then try see how easy it is to get a clean kick in.
 
A Wing Chun practicioner? You have to be kidding me?! Dude, I would tool most Wing Chun practicioners like it's my job. The fancy hollywood shit doesn't work in a real fight. Wing Chun may work against one punch Paul who throws John Wayne style haymakers, but it doesn't work against trained fighters who throw precise combinations of strikes.

You seriously need to get your ass into a mixed martial arts gym and soon. The sooner that you get your theories and pride smashed, the better you will be in the long run. Any kind of training that falls short of full contact is a joke. You can either know your shit works because you have tested it against others, or you can speculate.

If you think that I am full of hot air then start posting your sentiments on www.mixedmartialarts.com as well. Those brothers know what I'm talking about!
 
Fancy hollywood shit? ok, that comment right there just proves how ignorant you are, wing chun IS real fighting, a simple yet effective system that works in a real fight while taking as little risks with your body as possible, the punch and kick deflections have worked against every strike i have had thrown at me including Thai boxing attacks and out of every person that trains at the same club as me, none of them have ever left for another martial art and every person there that i've asked including beginners tell me that they find Wing Chun is way more effective than any other style they've tried, what does that tell you? See it actually revolves around blind siding your opponent then striking him with kicks, knees, fingers, fists, palms and elbows, It all so works by deflecting force of enemy's blows not just mindless block, punch, kick, punch. Bruce Lee's main form of fighting was Wing Chun, are you saying that he's a joke? How about Rick Spain, 2 time undefeated world champion. I am not saying that your fighting styles suck, I am just saying that your logic sucks and you obviously haven't been taught very well and I am really not interested whether or not you agree because I have better things to do than argue online about martial arts.
 
MUSCLETECHSUX said:
Bruce Lee's main form of fighting was Wing Chun, are you saying that he's a joke? How about Rick Spain, 2 time undefeated world champion.
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I don't think anyone is saying that Bruce Lee is a joke, but he was an actor. What he did looked great in the movies.

Rick Spain, 2 time undefeated world champion? In what? Wing Chung? Doesn't mean anything to me. I could be the 72 time world champion in thumb wrestling, but it doesn't mean I can fight. All it means is that using the rules of the sport, I am the better competitor. Big difference.

This isn't to say the Wing Chung isn't or can't be effective, but it certainly isn't the end all beat all of martial arts.

Just a question for Muscleteck sux (which they do by the way). At your school do you train full speed, full contact?

Zen
 
from what ive been told by wing chun practicioners, there isnt much (well none) groundwork in wing chun....

i hear its excellentfor close quarters combat, but in terms of longer ranged strikes its less effective



(FYI bruce lee trained in a variety of gung-fu styles before learning wing-chun, and his fighting art borrowed from wing chun, french sabbat kickboxing, and boxing....so he wasnt just a wing chun practicioner)
 
Kwai-Chang Caine said:
I kick in a fight. And I am very glad there are still guys out there like you who don't expect that. THERE IS NOTHING QUITE LIKE THE SURPRISE ON SOMEONE'S FACE ONCE THEY EXPERIENCE THE PAIN OF A MUAY THAI ROUNDHOUSE KICK TO THEIR THIGH. I get chills just thinking about it.
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It is a beautiful thing isn't it?


Muscletechsux(good name by the way)...

Kicks leave you open my ass. I fight tight and stay that way throughout all of my attacks, including kicks. How do you figure a roundhouse to the thigh leaves me open?? Do you think you're going to throw an effective simultaneous counterstrike while my shin slams into your thigh with more than enough force to splinter a 2x4, not to mention the damage it will do to your femur?? You could shoot, but good luck. You could deflect, but any competant thai fighter will follow through with several options anyway.

Also, I spent a considerable amount of time studying Wing Chun, and I agree that with a high level of experience in this art it is a very valuable weapon. However, one only needs a basic understanding of WC to overcome someone who relies on those techniques.

Anyway, I hate when these discussions turn into "my art is better than your art" bullshit.
 
rgosit,

to answer your original question...
The kickboxing it sounds like you are talking about is cardio kickboxing. As far as learning how to fight, this will be a complete waste of your time bro.
 
ok thank you..thats what i wanted to kno....

I will b starting bjj soon.

i also want t work on some striking on my own..what do u suggest?
 
I can understand your arguements and I may seem biased about Wing Chun but beleive me I am trying to be as open minded as possible, one the main problem I have with muay thai is the stance/guard, by raising your fists up to the top of your head you are exposing you're entire midsection to your opponent, sure you might be able to kick so well that they won't see what's coming but what if he's better than you and he kicks you first? Kickboxing and Muay Thai on they're own have very little defence techniques and unless you have another staple form of self defence under your belt then you're pretty much toast unless the other guy doesn't know anything. Ask any decent fighter and they will tell you that kickboxing and Muay Thai are great for brushing up on your striking skills and will definetly give you an edge in other martial arts but are pretty much useless on they're own. And Danielson, I already have a wrestling background so that pretty much covers my groundwork but i'll be starting either JJ or BJJ soon.
just my 2cents
 
I know you're being open minded bro. I was just pointing out that the argument in general was turning a little biased. Anyway, Thai boxers do keep their hands pretty high, but you must consider, a good fighter leans forward(which drops it down), and it is very easy to defend the midsection with elbows, or simply allow minor shots to land here exposing the opponent for knockout blows. With respect to Muay Thai's defenses, there are none. Every attack that comes at me, I attack. Thats the defense. You know how disconcerning that is for someone when they are attacked everytime they try to attack. Regarding Muay Thai's impracticality, I'll tell you that I've studied several different arts religiously since age 7(27 now). After studying all these years, I find myself using only a few things in real confrontations. Wing Chun backhand trapping techniques and sipa kicks, Thai roundhouse kicks and front kicks and overall stance, and various ju-jitsu stuff for take-downs and locks. I've studied MMA for a few years now but I purposely never go to the ground in the street, that is impractical and dangerous. Muay Thai striking,on the other hand, is simple and devastating in long range, midrange, and even some grappling situations. I have to defend Muay Thai bro, otherwise all those hours of beating the crap out of my shins and wimpering go to waste:)
 
You're right on the money Thaibox; Muay Thai's best defense is a good offense. It's a brutal art and I have incorporated a lot of it into my shootfighting. I do notice, however, that boxing training can usually fill in the few holes found in Muay Thai. The boxing can help you develope a stance which is more protective while not dimishing your ability to throw thai style strikes, it improves your hand striking capabilities, and it helps you establish a more traditional defense (i.e. bobbing, weaving, ducking, etc). If practiced enough I find that these two arts can fit seamlessly with each other. Peace.
 
yungsmoke,

No one style is best! A combination of skills, techniques, and conditioning is what really matters. I believe that BJJ is an incredible style, but it is not infallible. Let's say that two evenly matched BJJ practicioners are fighting one another. If one of those BJJ practicioners knew Muay Thai as well, wouldn't that give him an advantage?

To prove my point in spades please refer to the following:

Sakuraba vs Silveira-UFC Japan
Sakuraba vs Belfort- Pride 5
Sakuraba vs Royler Gracie-Pride 8
Sakuraba vs Royce Gracie-Pride Grand Prix 2000 Final Round
Sakuraba vs Renzo Gracie-Pride 10
Sakuraba vs Ryan Gracie-Pride 12

Oh, and by the way, Sakuraba isn't a BJJ practicioner. He is a pro-wrestler with an extensive background in Catch wrestling and freestle wrestling. He is also a very good striker (Muay Thai techniques).
 
Hey, I was just reading these posts. I'm not into any martial art but have dabbled in this and that. I use a heavy bag for my cardio training and I have stretched my leg tendons enough to almost do splits and certainly get off some decent kicks.

The few times I have had to defend myself and used kicks, sometimes I did hit with a shin when I meant to contact with my heel. What that resulted in was fukin huge pain (not felt till after because I was so pumped full of adrenaline I guess) and a huge bruise!? Is it like the movies and you guys take massive hits to your shins to kill the nerves? What about bruising, won't this happen regardless of nerves?
 
How does one attempt to hit someone with their heel, but instead hits them with their shin? That doesn't even make sense. Could you please elaborate?
 
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Hey, I was just reading these posts. I'm not into any martial art but have dabbled in this and that. I use a heavy bag for my cardio training and I have stretched my leg tendons enough to almost do splits and certainly get off some decent kicks.

The few times I have had to defend myself and used kicks, sometimes I did hit with a shin when I meant to contact with my heel. What that resulted in was fukin huge pain (not felt till after because I was so pumped full of adrenaline I guess) and a huge bruise!? Is it like the movies and you guys take massive hits to your shins to kill the nerves? What about bruising, won't this happen regardless of nerves?
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The best weapon Thai fighters have in their arsenal is their shins(in my opinion). There is only one large bone impacting, instead of hundreds of tiny ones like your feet. I've beat the crap out of my shins in various drills for years. I haven't been training due to an injury, and I can feel them a little more than I use to right now. But I can still brake broomsticks on them all day long, or slam a telephone pole a few times. People have always thought I was weird, walking around with bruises and open wounds on my shins. They always undestood after coming to one of my fights though. Once they hear the shin on shin "CLACK" that makes the crowd go "ooohhhhh".

And to address yungsmoke's comment. You obviously have no fighting background whatsoever, so take your childish opinions and go back to your couch and watch the UFC with a beer in your hand.
 
Fuck the thought of that makes me shudder.

Now Kwai-Chang Caine, I really dont understand what you don't understand??? I't's like either they moved in too close in the middle of my kick, or I over extended or moved in. Whats to not understand about that or are you making fun of my lack of skill?
 
xonic2xonic said:
Fuck the thought of that makes me shudder.

Now Kwai-Chang Caine, I really dont understand what you don't understand??? I't's like either they moved in too close in the middle of my kick, or I over extended or moved in. Whats to not understand about that or are you making fun of my lack of skill?
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so like you were chambering for say a front thrusting kick for example and they camer in and struck your shine before you extended your leg

i think he (what i was thinking too) is you intended to hit someone with your heel and during the actual kick you missed and hit them with your shin. i couldnt figure out how, so i guess you must have meant during the chamber :)
 
No no, I did miss with my heel and make contact with shin! How is that hard to understand? I don't know MA so I don't know what kick that is, but will try to describe. The motion I guess you would say was linear with my foot parallale to the ground. Sort of like trying to punch with a hook and making contact with forearm instead of the fist,
 
xonic2xonic said:
No no, I did miss with my heel and make contact with shin! How is that hard to understand? I don't know MA so I don't know what kick that is, but will try to describe. The motion I guess you would say was linear with my foot parallale to the ground. Sort of like trying to punch with a hook and making contact with forearm instead of the fist,
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do you mean the ball of the foot :confused:

the heel is the thing at the back of your foot (sorry if i sound condescending but im really confused as to what kick you did)....so if you were trying to impact with that and you missed wouldnt you hit the calf muscle....

if you were trying to hit wit the ball of the foot (just below toes) and missed you could hit with the shin? its only a side issue anyway, im just curious :)
 
Heh this is getting carried a bit far...

Yeah DUH me, I meant the ball, now I see what you guys are bitching about defying physics and all.

So still... what you are saying is that MA guys that use shins just kill them till the nerves are dead and fuk the bruises and cuts?
 
xonic2xonic said:
Heh this is getting carried a bit far...

Yeah DUH me, I meant the ball, now I see what you guys are bitching about defying physics and all.

So still... what you are saying is that MA guys that use shins just kill them till the nerves are dead and fuk the bruises and cuts?
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not all martial arts

some say kick with the ball of the foot, some with the shin. reasons cited are earlier in this thread i believe...but i can see why shins are seen as better....if you land a kick badly with te ball of the foot it will HURT! your foot is pretty damn fragile after all even with a shoe on

but they do condition them.....they dont kill the nerves really, they just de-sensitise them....my style does conditioning to arms but expects us to do shins ourselves

they do it by bashing them basically, but the theory is when/if the skin breaks, it heals back tougher and wont break so easily. its definately happened with my knuckles, you can feel the difference/extra toughness in skin in that reigon if my hand

when my knees heal up fully i wanna start that stuff. the opnly ting im moderately worrie about is blood clots forming ut i think this is unlikely in the young :)
 
Kwai-Chang Caine said:
A Wing Chun practicioner? You have to be kidding me?! Dude, I would tool most Wing Chun practicioners like it's my job. The fancy hollywood shit doesn't work in a real fight. Wing Chun may work against one punch Paul who throws John Wayne style haymakers, but it doesn't work against trained fighters who throw precise combinations of strikes.

You seriously need to get your ass into a mixed martial arts gym and soon. The sooner that you get your theories and pride smashed, the better you will be in the long run. Any kind of training that falls short of full contact is a joke. You can either know your shit works because you have tested it against others, or you can speculate.

If you think that I am full of hot air then start posting your sentiments on www.mixedmartialarts.com as well. Those brothers know what I'm talking about!
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So you think Wing Chun is some of the fancy looking kung fu, right??? A wing chun practioner has to be faster than a Thai Boxer (although thats depends on the skills of the fighter) the record of punches is 12 per second by a wing chun practioner and the wong shun leung style of wing chun (also taught bruce lee) learns how to fight especially agains (thai/kick)boxers. It's faster than boxing, because of the straight punches/movements. Wing chun always attacked at the shortest way no round punches.
Many skillful thaiboxers came to our school and they were knocked down by an instructor of mine
 
vyper-strike said:

So you think Wing Chun is some of the fancy looking kung fu, right??? A wing chun practioner has to be faster than a Thai Boxer (although thats depends on the skills of the fighter) the record of punches is 12 per second by a wing chun practioner and the wong shun leung style of wing chun (also taught bruce lee) learns how to fight especially agains (thai/kick)boxers. It's faster than boxing, because of the straight punches/movements. Wing chun always attacked at the shortest way no round punches.
Many skillful thaiboxers came to our school and they were knocked down by an instructor of mine
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HUGE bump on that!
 
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Originally posted by vyper-strike

So you think Wing Chun is some of the fancy looking kung fu, right??? A wing chun practioner has to be faster than a Thai Boxer (although thats depends on the skills of the fighter) the record of punches is 12 per second by a wing chun practioner and the wong shun leung style of wing chun (also taught bruce lee) learns how to fight especially agains (thai/kick)boxers. It's faster than boxing, because of the straight punches/movements. Wing chun always attacked at the shortest way no round punches.
Many skillful thaiboxers came to our school and they were knocked down by an instructor of mine
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Although I am less apt to jump down the throats of other stylists than I used to be, your example doesn't say much. Just because your instructor knocked down a few lesser experienced and lesser skilled thaiboxers doesn't mean that he proved anything. Doing that against some local guys is one thing, doing that against Alex Gong is quite another. The outcome of your story has far more to do with a discrepency in talent, not the superiority of a style.
 
SicVic said:
All This Talk of Violence. How about some damn Hugs.
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You tool, this thread is 10 years old.

Reaching for the ban button, but forgot I'm not a Mod anymore lol.
 
Rgosit;

Kickboxing in itself is a very effective martial art. Im a 5th degree black in American Free Style Kickboxing, from the days of Jean Yves Cherault, Benny the Jet, Fred Lopez, Fast Feet Fontanez, etc. Mostly east coast kickboxers and streeet figthers who had to fight to eat n earn a living. If you want to learn jiu jit su, Sambo or mat work from wrestling, go for it. Just remember when it comes to a stret fight or bar fight you cant use dem techniques in a conflict. shock hit, shuffle n shift, move - reset, was my motto.

be good.

Cooltrouble
 
cooltrouble said:
Rgosit;

Kickboxing in itself is a very effective martial art. Im a 5th degree black in American Free Style Kickboxing, from the days of Jean Yves Cherault, Benny the Jet, Fred Lopez, Fast Feet Fontanez, etc. Mostly east coast kickboxers and streeet figthers who had to fight to eat n earn a living. If you want to learn jiu jit su, Sambo or mat work from wrestling, go for it. Just remember when it comes to a stret fight or bar fight you cant use dem techniques in a conflict. shock hit, shuffle n shift, move - reset, was my motto.

be good.

Cooltrouble
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In my opinion, kickboxing is much better for self defense then all other martial art sports.
 
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