After years of working out, I started mine on anavar 2.5 for 10, 5 for 10, 7.5 for 10, 5 for 10, 2.5 for 10days. A simple pyramid and it worked very well I have a post cycle pic. The goal was to reduce some body fat and add some tone. Some clen was used at the end also. I would always recomend starting with a low dose guy/girl first time just to see how the individule tolerates the drug.........The freak