Just began my first Clen cycle....

[jcrewgirl]

Hi everyone! I'm a newbie to posting but have been researching on here for months and months. SO much helpful information!
I'm 23, 130 lbs, 5'8. I've been doing the ECA Stack(Stimurex) for a few years now, on and off and obviously with the extended use, the results have been not exactly what I'd like lately. So after much research, I decided to try Clen, in liquid form. Usually, I do about 45-60 of running a day with a Pilates routine. My diet isn't as good as it should be, meaning I don't think I eat enough calories. I usually eat grapes, apples, plums and other fruits all morning long, instead of one big breakfast. I'll usually have a salad or veggie burger for lunch. A granola bar or pretzels as a snack. And dinner is usually a ton of veggies- edamame, carrots, broccoli and so on with fish. I basically just try to eat mostly fruits and veggies.
So with Taurine, Potassium, lots of bananas and everything all in check, I began yesterday with 1/8mL, 20 mcg. Pretty shaky but not too bad. Headaches became REALLY bad so I took so Tylenol. Had plans to go out and drink(it was Friday!) but decided against it and just went to bed. I also didn't work out bc I was just too scared. With everything I'm putting in my body, I want to feel it out first. Today, I took 20 mcg this morning and decided to run. Everything was totally fine- actually had a great RUN! Of course, TONS of water. So, I just took a second 20 mcg which would equal 40 mcg for today which I will repeat tommorrow. I plan to follow Mr. X's schedule of dosage but cater it to how I'm feeling.
Any advice, suggestions, comments- feel free to criticize. I KNOW I need to do more weights/machines but my goals are to slim down. The Pilates routine works all of my muscles just the way I like them to. But then again- FEEL free to comment. My goals are basically to lower my BF%. It's already quite low so as I've learned through my research, Clen is good for those last few areas, not for those looking to lose significant amounts of weight.
A few issues that I've tried researching but have found answers that contradict are: alcohol and clen, liquid clen dosages, if it's more effective than the ECA stack, whether 2 weeks on/2 weeks off is better than 3 weeks on/2 weeks off.

 

[The Shadow]

this is simple but:

1 - what is your diet
2 - what IS your bf??

btw - 1/8 of a ml is 25mcg assuming its 200mcg per ml.

 

[jcrewgirl]

"My diet isn't as good as it should be, meaning I don't think I eat enough calories. I usually eat grapes, apples, plums and other fruits all morning long, instead of one big breakfast. I'll usually have a salad or veggie burger for lunch. A granola bar or pretzels as a snack. And dinner is usually a ton of veggies- edamame, carrots, broccoli and so on with fish. I basically just try to eat mostly fruits and veggies. "
I tend to just snack all day rather than have huge meals, which although it is good for my metabolism, its harder for me to track.
My body fat is somewhere between 9-10, I think. Its been awhile since I've had it tested.

 

[The Shadow]

wow


10% is LEAN....at 10% - why would you want to egt to the point that your hormonal production(period) stops??


you do know that clen WILL drop your thyroid production, yes??

 

[jcrewgirl]

Yeah, I am pretty lean but not just as lean as I'd like. When I first began the ECA Stack, I was exactly how lean as I'd hope to be but lately that doesn't seem to be working, which I expected after such an extended use.
Could you further explain what you mean by clen dropping your thyroid production?
Thank you so much. I appreciate you taking the time to help out!

 

[The Shadow]

Yeah, I am pretty lean but not just as lean as I'd like. When I first began the ECA Stack, I was exactly how lean as I'd hope to be but lately that doesn't seem to be working, which I expected after such an extended use.
Could you further explain what you mean by clen dropping your thyroid production?
Thank you so much. I appreciate you taking the time to help out!

Not much to say.


Clen WILL drop your body's prouction of T3.


The ECA effects have worn off by now....happens a lot.

Same with clen....you will rebound a bit when you come off due to:

1 - not getting the beta agonist(metabolic boost) from the clen
2 - the T3 WILL drop......


there are several studies that link clen and lowered t3 output.

 

[jcrewgirl]

So what do you suggest? I stop the clen and stick with ECA? Before beginning the Clen cycle, I was clean for a month- just good old diet and exercise.
By the Clen dropping my body's production of T3, what is the result? No loss of BF%? Or gaining weight? Or no result at all?

 

[The Shadow]

So what do you suggest? I stop the clen and stick with ECA? Before beginning the Clen cycle, I was clean for a month- just good old diet and exercise.
By the Clen dropping my body's production of T3, what is the result? No loss of BF%? Or gaining weight? Or no result at all?

Combination:

1 - slowed fat loss while on the clen
2 - rebound gain AFTER the clen due to the drop in T3.


I would simply add 20 minutes of interval cardio 3x per week.



the ECA, at BEST, would only ramp your metabolism by 3-5%...not a lot.


So....that means if you require 1000 cals to maintain...the ECA will help you burn an additional 30-50 cals per day.


20 minutes of intervals will burn 6-9 times that amount

 

[jcrewgirl]

Would you suggest the ECA stack on my off weeks? I've found so many mixed results regarding this topic and I personally feel as though it would further downgrade the receptors, correct?
Thanks again, you're so helpful!

 

[takniteasy]

Clen is good for those last few areas, not for those looking to lose significant amounts of weight.

There is no "spot reduction". If you lose more bodyfat, you will lose it ALL OVER.

Shadow's got good suggestions. I would try those out before the Clen. And if there are specific areas you want to tighten up, incorporate resistance training for those areas (actually all over).

Do you have a specific reason for wanting to be leaner? i.e. photo shoot, modeling, etc.

 

[jcrewgirl]

Yeah, a few reasons for wanting to be leaner. A few months ago, I made the move to NY and am due to have a BIG trip back home in a few weeks so I'd like to look a lot leaner when I return. I also have a big vacation to Monaco soon so again- would like to look leaner for that.
Thanks for the advice and love your quotes!

 

[Sassy69]

Actually what Shadow said - again don't look at the clen like its the big miracle drug - a couple tweaks in your diet can result in a lot of things. Also it sounds like you are looking to change things so they can be maintained.

The thing about using chemicals is that there is often a rebound effect when you come off. A gradual change in your lifestyle that conditions you down progressively often is more easily maintained.

Another thought w/ this whole "leaner" thing -- you can do some amazing things by increasing your muscle mass such that it makes your bodyfat look a lot better. Just saying - 9-10% bf is crazy low anyway. More starts to impact your body's healthy ability to function.

Out of curiosity have you always been that lean ? Have you ever had your hormone levels checked? Low estrogen?

 

[jcrewgirl]

Again, thanks for the advice. No, I definitely understand that Clen is not to be viewed as a miracle drug nor the ECA stack. I've just had such good results with the ECA stack and have found the side effects to not be that bad. I will say though that the side effects with Clen, I've found, are much harsher than the ECA Stack. More shakes, feeling nauseous every now and then, and oddly- very tired at times. But anyway,
as to your question about my hormone levels- no, I've never had them checked. Perhaps I will when I go to the doctor next week.
One other question that I've found inconsistent answers with is muscle gain. Has Clen been know to cause muscle gain moreso than muscle maintainence or muscle loss?

 

[Sassy69]

That is the catch w/ clen - because of the sides and often the effect on both the quality of your sleep and stress levels I would love to see studies of its effectiveness as far as fat loss vs fat gained due to poor recovery & stress / cortisol levels. Sometimes its just not worth it if you react strongly to it and it essentially just negates whatever small increase in fat burning it has over regular ECA & diet /training.

Clen is supposed to have an anaboilc effect so yes on the muscle gain.

 

[msam76]

Be careful following MrX's suggestion. It was basically designed for males. When I got up to 100mcg, I had to back down to 80mcg. Blood pressure went through the roof and I was shaky as hell. Be careful.

 

[jcrewgirl]

Thanks so much for all of the suggestions! For anyone that has done both the ECA stack and Clen, which do you personally prefer? Just wondering what everyone's personal preference is.
Also, does everyone mostly stack their own ECA or buy it bottled already?

 

[msam76]

I preferred the eca stack, don't use it anymore since they banned ephedria.

 

[Sassy69]

Hate clen period. No comparison. I've built my own ECA - prefer to use AF store stuff -Cardio Breeze & Thermorexin.

 

[dbb1967]

I am a newbie poster here also, but have used the board for extensive research and have gained valuable insight from all the great people here. I just wanted to do what I could to "give something back" and share my experience with Clen.

I have done 2 full cycles and maybe one half of a third. The biggest difference I saw in my physical appearance was that I was definitely much more defined. I loved how my muscles looked "cut". I probably dropped 5-7 pounds, but felt like I built more muscle in the process. The side effects that were most prominent for me were nausea and a bit of shakes. I was completely turned off by food, so my diet was probably far too few calories while on a cycle which probably slowed my metabolism and made any rebound effect during the off cycle that much worse. I also became so nauseas during and after exercise, I felt like I was going to puke. My routine is 45 minutes weights/stretching and 45 minute cardio 4 x week. However crazy it is, though, I kept taking it. I think I have a love/hate relationship with Clen.

I don't necessarily do an ECA stack, but take a mini-Ephedra (before they were recently banned again, 10mg was available for sale and I stocked up) each morning both during Clen cycles and non-cycles. If I don't take it with the Clen, I tend to be more hungry. I am nowhere near 10% BF (I wish!). I am 5'3" 130lbs and am either a very healthy eater or a really terrible one. Usually there is no in between for me.

Anyway, not really sure where I'm going with this other than to say I'm probably going to go on another cycle next week.

 

[jcrewgirl]

Thanks for posting your expierence with Clen. Loved the part about your love/hate relationship with Clen!
Oh and Sassy, if you don't mind, what exactly does your own ECA Stack consist of?

 

[Sassy69]

Thanks for posting your expierence with Clen. Loved the part about your love/hate relationship with Clen!
Oh and Sassy, if you don't mind, what exactly does your own ECA Stack consist of?

I built it years ago from Ephedra, NoDoze & aspirin - I dont' recall the ratios of each. I was prepping for a show and got a little carried away w/ it and started dosing it really fucking hi. Between the overtraining and that stuff I think I completely burned out my adrenals which led to what I might call a metabolic shutdown. I was exhausted all the time, gained weight / couldn't lose weight, was an emotional wreck and rarely made it thru a training session w/o at least one complete breakdown into tears.

I cycle my thermos now between t-rex & cardio breeze and I don't load them.

I don't look to thermos for more than just a kick in the pants for energy or a little bit of a buzz. I don't load them and I don't expect any fat burning stuff out of them - anything I might happen to get from them is great but I focus on keeping my diet 1000% tight and hitting my cardio if I want specific results. I have no question that my trainign is balls to the wall because it always is. Cardio is somethign I don't enjoy so that's where I have to work extra hard to make sure I get it in.

 

[jcrewgirl]

Thanks again for all of the advice and suggestions!
I just found out that I have to travel to LA for work next week and was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for how to bring my liquid clen to travel with? I was thinking maybe one of those little plastic shampoo bottles specifically for travel??

 

[Varga]

Just out of curiosity can anybody tell me what is wrong with this diet?
"My diet isn't as good as it should be, meaning I don't think I eat enough calories. I usually eat grapes, apples, plums and other fruits all morning long, instead of one big breakfast. I'll usually have a salad or veggie burger for lunch. A granola bar or pretzels as a snack. And dinner is usually a ton of veggies- edamame, carrots, broccoli and so on with fish. I basically just try to eat mostly fruits and veggies. "

I have my gf on a nice diet where she lost 15lbs and counting. She is 5'4" about 140 right now but her boobs must weigh like 20lbs lol so I have to take that in consideration too!

Nutrition:

Medium to low carbs 100-150g(mostly rice and sweet pataoes) on average, some fat( nuts) and 100-120gr(steak, chicken, yogurt, fish, eggs) of protein a day. This is just a snap shot of her diet-some days she will play with the carbs where she keeps it under 100g.
No weights yet, she wants to loose more fat then I will start a weight program.
She does some occasional lifting at work so I'm letting it go for now.
Exercise:

2 nights a week 40min walk
2 days a week 30-40min cardio on an empty stomach first thing in the morning, before the cardio she takes one of those over the counter Xenedrine or similar(not too sure of the name).

No need for clen in my opinion, and your diet is horible and the problem!
You lucky to eat 30g of protein a day! I will bet you thats the reason you stopped losing weight is because of the low caloric intake. When my gf stopped losing weight and was stuck I told her to go eat pasta for 2-3 days to replenish her liver with glycogen. Then she started losing weight again a week later. Diet is 95% of the game the rest is cha-cha stuff.
Sorry for being so direct with you, but if you fix your diet you will see results without clen.

I'm not an drug free advocate, far from it but from my experience it's a waste of time to do clen and when you are off of it you in the same boat!
I hope this help

 

[Daisy_Girl]

No need for clen in my opinion, and your diet is horible and the problem!
You lucky to eat 30g of protein a day! I will bet you thats the reason you stopped losing weight is because of the low caloric intake............
Sorry for being so direct with you, but if you fix your diet you will see results without clen.

DING DING DING

 

[jcrewgirl]

Thank you for your advice and I'm sure you are completely correct. Usually on the weekends, I'll eat a slice or two of pizza or french fries with a chicken wrap, not too mention the drinking..... so its not like my daily diet is always ALWAYS under the caloric limit I need.
I appreciate your input! Just to update, I ran clen for 2 weeks- liquid clen but the results were DEFINITELY not what I had anticipated. Although the side effects on the first 2 or 3 days were worse than I expected, they dwindled soon enough. Now on week 2 or my off week and I'm on the ECA stack. I'm unsure if I want to run clen again at the end of this week. I'm thinking that my liquid clen (AG) isnt as strong/authentic as the pill form or another kind. My diet was clean, as was my cardio.
Any advice, as always, is much appreciated!

 

[florencia]

I don't know much about clen...I took 2 weeks and i was worse than an insane parrot!!!
BUT I am intriguided with your 10% BF...would you post a picture?
Everyone here LUVS pictures!!!
Thanks!

 

[feisty11975]

I don't know much about clen...I took 2 weeks and i was worse than an insane parrot!!!
BUT I am intriguided with your 10% BF...would you post a picture?
Everyone here LUVS pictures!!!
Thanks!

what ^she said!!

 

[superqt4u2nv]

No offense but with your diet I have my doubts that you are at 10% just for a refrence point this is what 10% looks like

How was your bodyfat measured? Most methods have a +-5

 

[2sasc4u2]

Thanks so much for all of the suggestions! For anyone that has done both the ECA stack and Clen, which do you personally prefer? Just wondering what everyone's personal preference is.
Also, does everyone mostly stack their own ECA or buy it bottled already?

Not to sound stupid....what does ECA stand for?

 

[Daisy_Girl]

Ephedrine/Ephedra, Caffeine, Aspirin