Just a little Study about Clen..

[Reps For Jesus]

Here is an abstract about Clen and it's damaging effects on the heart.

Myotoxic effects of clenbuterol in the rat heart and soleus muscle

You can see the full study here.

Myotoxic effects of clenbuterol in the rat heart and soleus muscle

I am not saying Clen is the safest compound in the world, but if used responsibly it can be very effective and safe. The studies that showed its damaging effects to the heart were given to rats at dosages of 5mg. That's an extremely large dose compared to the mcg humans take. I see the same argument given to GW-50 and cancer all the time. This is no different.

 

[RickRock13]

Here is an abstract about Clen and it's damaging effects on the heart.

Myotoxic effects of clenbuterol in the rat heart and soleus muscle

You can see the full study here.

Myotoxic effects of clenbuterol in the rat heart and soleus muscle

I am not saying Clen is the safest compound in the world, but if used responsibly it can be very effective and safe. The studies that showed its damaging effects to the heart were given to rats at dosages of 5mg. That's an extremely large dose compared to the mcg humans take. I see the same argument given to GW-50 and cancer all the time. This is no different.

You make a great point and argument about Clen. Even taking the heart and negative health aspect out of the equation, I still won't use it just because of how it makes me feel all day long. I like Albuterol because it has a relatively short half life, and I can feel normal again later in the day without it affecting my sleep.

 

[Reps For Jesus]

That is totally understandable. There are other side effects that make people avoid it. But around here, there seems to be a huge campaign against it, where a lot of things are blown way out of proportion. If it is so dangerous and such a poison to a persons body, why not put it on the "do not talk about list" with DNP.

 

[Shrine1]

I disagree... clen is garbage imo. I ran the dosing very responsibly and conservative. The palpitations were something to be concerned with and was no near as effective as S1 GW in terms of fat loss when comparing the two. And the endurance is also not comparable.

I understand everyone responds differently, but I know when my body doesnt agree and I listen pretty closely to those tell tell signs. For the people who enjoying using it.. more power to them. But I think GW out classes clen in every way

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[northernknight]

You make a great point and argument about Clen. Even taking the heart and negative health aspect out of the equation, I still won't use it just because of how it makes me feel all day long. I like Albuterol because it has a relatively short half life, and I can feel normal again later in the day without it affecting my sleep.

I agree with this. I too like Albuterol lot more, on Clen I just tend to feel sides too heavily, but tolerate Albuterol lot better. Less sides equal more results IMO.

I'm not defending Clen usage, but agree that things get exaggerated easily on these boards, people tend to make as strong argument as possible to defend their opinion. When these get repeated enough, eventually things tend to get blown out of proportion.
IMO everyone is by all means free to try Clen and see how they handle it, it's usually just not ideal choice for majority of people wanting to use it.

GW-50 is whole different compound with nothing common with Clen/Albuterol except resulting fat loss. My experince is that it's every way superior to both Clen and Albuterol, and I would probably never come off it if it wouldn't loose it's effectiveness over time. For maximum fat loss effect, stacking GW-50 with either one of Clen or Albuterol worked out great for me, I'm still preferring Albuterol over Clen, but to each to their own.
I still have a lot of Clen in my cup board, so I might just skip getting Albuterol, and give Clen a whirl after quite long break in my spring cutter, along with GW-50, and various other stuff.

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[Jbranken]

I couldn't sleep on it and sweat all through the night, not to mention the BP issues. If I'm gonna go through all of that, I'll just run tren rather than something so catabolic.

 

[Nelson Montana]

It's still a temporary cosmetic drug. So unless you need to look especially lean for a few days, I see no place in it in bodybuilding frankly.

it's funny, I know a lot of pros who didn't bother with it, even at contest time. And guys who are just gym rats feel the need to use it. it's a really unhealthy substance and we've had more than one member right here who went too far and is no longer with us.

Keep it in mind.

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

It's still a temporary cosmetic drug. So unless you need to look especially lean for a few days, I see no place in it in bodybuilding frankly.

it's funny, I know a lot of pros who didn't bother with it, even at contest time. And guys who are just gym rats feel the need to use it. it's a really unhealthy substance and we've had more than one member right here who went too far and is no longer with us.

Keep it in mind.

One of the best clen analysis i have ever heard.

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

Here is an abstract about Clen and it's damaging effects on the heart.

Myotoxic effects of clenbuterol in the rat heart and soleus muscle

You can see the full study here.

Myotoxic effects of clenbuterol in the rat heart and soleus muscle

I am not saying Clen is the safest compound in the world, but if used responsibly it can be very effective and safe. The studies that showed its damaging effects to the heart were given to rats at dosages of 5mg. That's an extremely large dose compared to the mcg humans take. I see the same argument given to GW-50 and cancer all the time. This is no different.

I usually agree with you opinions and respect your knowledge as it typically comes from empirical based data. However, in this circumstance I am going to have to be on the exact opposite side. Not only from a personal standpoint, because my own personal experiences suggest the exact opposite of what you posted, but there are also countless studies that indicate clenbuterol is one of the most disruptive compounds a bodybuilder can take. The highest dosage that I got up to was 60 µg a day. I felt like an electric shock was going through my body just at random throughout the day. Also my body fat was in single digits at the time and my cardio was respectable. Now I do not think I could have ran a 5K in record time, but I could easily pass my Air Force PT test and receive the full points on the mile and a half run which would have to include running it in under 10 minutes. After my short stint with clenbuterol I can honestly say that my breath for the next month was scary sometimes. I have never felt that way from any compound and I can say I will never take clenbuterol ever again. Additionally, there are thousands of Brose in our sport who have had problems because of clenbuterol whether it is the guys who have competed or the guys who are gym rats regardless that is a compound that yields very crazy side effects. We can easily find studies that show humans who have had problems with clenbuterol. Just remember that clen was a legal asthma drug at one point. GW was is and never will be legal probably because it works too well.

 

[northernknight]

I couldn't sleep on it and sweat all through the night, not to mention the BP issues. If I'm gonna go through all of that, I'll just run tren rather than something so catabolic.

Damn, I forgot how bad insomnia issues Clen caused me. You are on point with the rest of the post too, it's been so long since I ran Clen that I forgot how horrible I really felt on it... BP issues are almost inevitable since it has to be stacked with pretty hefty dose of AAS to fight the catabolic effects. Not to mention that IME to actually get results from Clen, stack has to include also T3, which brings along more catabolism and set of whole lot more dangers..

Meh, no thanks, been there and done that, I will just stick with Albuterol and DMAA instead as my stims.

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