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ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) -- A federal judge temporarily blocked Florida's new law that requires welfare applicants to pass a drug test before receiving benefits on Monday, saying it may violate the Constitution's ban on unreasonable searches and seizures.

Judge Mary Scriven ruled in response to a lawsuit filed on behalf of a 35-year-old Navy veteran and single father who sought the benefits while finishing his college degree, but refused to take the test. The judge said there was a good chance plaintiff Luis Lebron would succeed in his challenge to the law based on the Fourth Amendment, which protects individuals from being unfairly searched.

The drug test can reveal a host of private medical facts about the individual, Scriven wrote, adding that she found it "troubling" that the drug tests are not kept confidential like medical records. The results can also be shared with law enforcement officers and a drug abuse hotline.

"This potential interception of positive drug tests by law enforcement implicates a `far more substantial' invasion of privacy than in ordinary civil drug testing cases," said Scriven, who was appointed by President George W. Bush.

The judge also said Florida didn't show that the drug testing program meets criteria for exceptions to the Fourth Amendment.

The injunction will stay in place until the judge can hold a full hearing on the matter. She didn't say when that hearing will be scheduled.

More than two-dozen states have also proposed drug-testing recipients of welfare or other government assistance, but Florida was the first state to enact such a law in more than a decade. Should any of those states pass a law and face a court challenge, Scriven's ultimate ruling would likely serve as a legal precedent.

The law's proponents include Gov. Rick Scott, who said during his campaign the measure would save $77 million. It's unclear how he arrived at those figures. A spokesman for the Florida Department of Children and Families deferred all comments to the governor's office.

"Drug testing welfare recipients is just a common-sense way to ensure that welfare dollars are used to help children and get parents back to work," said Jackie Schutz, a spokeswoman for Scott. "The governor obviously disagrees with the decision and he will evaluate his options regarding when to appeal."

Earlier this year, Scott also ordered drug testing of new state workers and spot checks of existing state employees under him. But testing was suspended after the American Civil Liberties Union also challenged that policy in a separate lawsuit.

Nearly 1,600 applicants have refused to take the test since testing began in mid-July, but they aren't required to say why. Thirty-two applicants failed the test and more than 7,000 have passed, according to the Department of Children and Families. The majority of positives were for marijuana.

State officials said Monday that applicants previously denied benefits for testing positive or refusing the test could reapply immediately. The Department of Children and Families will also approve all pending applications that await drug test results.

Supporters had argued applicants skipped the test because they knew they would have tested positive for drugs. Applicants must pay $25 to $35 for the test and are reimbursed by the state if they pass. It's unclear if the state has saved money.

Under the Temporary Assistance For Needy Families program, the state gives $180 a month for one person or $364 for a family of four.

Those who test positive for drugs are ineligible for the cash assistance for one year, though passing a drug course can cut that period in half. If they fail a second time, they are ineligible for three years.

Lebron, who is the sole caretaker of his 4-year-old son, said he's "happy that the judge stood up for me and my rights and said the state can't act without a reason or suspicion."

The ACLU says Florida was the first to enact such a law since Michigan tried more than a decade ago. Michigan's random drug testing program for welfare recipients lasted five weeks in 1999 before it was halted by a judge, kicking off a four-year legal battle that ended with an appeals court ruling it unconstitutional.
 
ok so, your employer can make you take a drug test to get/keep you job but the goverment can't make you take one to get/keep your public assistance? hmmmm, ok, how about this? make the motherfuckers work for their check, then we can drug test them because they are employees rather than fucking lazy cocksucking bums????
 
ok so, your employer can make you take a drug test to get/keep you job but the goverment can't make you take one to get/keep your public assistance? hmmmm, ok, how about this? make the motherfuckers work for their check, then we can drug test them because they are employees rather than fucking lazy cocksucking bums????

Pretty much man..
 
ok so, your employer can make you take a drug test to get/keep you job but the goverment can't make you take one to get/keep your public assistance? hmmmm, ok, how about this? make the motherfuckers work for their check, then we can drug test them because they are employees rather than fucking lazy cocksucking bums????
Similar to being a job creator, but on the opposite spectrum.



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Why the fuck are all of us working!!!!!
We could be getting high and getting paid. Taking that welfare money and buying bulk heroin and getting high and selling to kids!!! Yes..
 
Unreal, the liberal government has created the lower income class by offering more money in public assistance and free insurance than they can make working. The liberals are destroying this country and yet while senior citizens do not get a social security cost of living raises the welfare recipients, can rest assured their checks are always on time and get more benefits than all of us. I love the one about if an illegal immigrant has a child on american soil , they are automatically entitled to government assistance. Lets keep paying our 36% to 40 % income taxes to pay for all of this.
 
I don't like it. Hard drugs are out of your system in days. This is only going to catch pot foggers anyway. I don't see how even if they pay for their own test how this will save any money, a lab still has to test it. Heroin is out of your system in what? Three days? I see this encouraging people to move to harder drugs since marijuana is the one that stays in your system so long.
 
why can't the ensure confidentiality? That one was easy to call as soon as people figured out that any medical condition picked up by the test could potentially be up for public scrutiny. And I kind of have to agree, what if you could research someone you didn't like and find that 10 years ago they collected unemployment and they have teh AIDS. If the govt can't ensure confidentiality then just don't do it. Heck all of you piss and moan about the incompetence of the "gubment" all the time...why does this then surprise anyone when said incompetence is challenged in court?
 
Unreal, the liberal government has created the lower income class by offering more money in public assistance and free insurance than they can make working. The liberals are destroying this country and yet while senior citizens do not get a social security cost of living raises the welfare recipients, can rest assured their checks are always on time and get more benefits than all of us. I love the one about if an illegal immigrant has a child on american soil , they are automatically entitled to government assistance. Lets keep paying our 36% to 40 % income taxes to pay for all of this.

put them in jail for 2 years without a trial, then release them on $2million bail...

iraq does it..
 
Unreal, the liberal government has created the lower income class by offering more money in public assistance and free insurance than they can make working. The liberals are destroying this country and yet while senior citizens do not get a social security cost of living raises the welfare recipients, can rest assured their checks are always on time and get more benefits than all of us. I love the one about if an illegal immigrant has a child on american soil , they are automatically entitled to government assistance. Lets keep paying our 36% to 40 % income taxes to pay for all of this.
Lol, its all the liberals fault..... Yep, oh btw Reagan raised the minimum wage and welfare.... Jus sayin



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If state and federal gov't employees have to take drug tests I don't see why people receiving money from the state or federal gov't shouldn't have to take the same tests. The confidentiality thing is ridiculous, and I agree with Cindy about the fact that they'll mostly just catch pot heads.
 
If the 1% doesn't have to get tested "teh man" shouldn't test the 99%

revolution is in the air




just sayin'
 
If the 1% doesn't have to get tested "teh man" shouldn't test the 99%

revolution is in the air

just sayin'
Curious that the revolution isn't more violent, given that one side outnumbers the others and weapons are freely available.
 
First Uncle Sug wants to know if you smoke the week, then he wants to know if you smoke teh pole

pole smoking monitoring is knot a function of govmint



just sayin'
 
If state and federal gov't employees have to take drug tests I don't see why people receiving money from the state or federal gov't shouldn't have to take the same tests. The confidentiality thing is ridiculous, and I agree with Cindy about the fact that they'll mostly just catch pot heads.
if you have money to buy pot you dont need welfarte and if you're using welfare money for pot you dont deserve welfare....

Even though strong drugs are flushed out of the system in a couple of days, when you are an addict you cant just stop, a heroin or meth addict cant just say "oh my test is next week, I have to stop consuming for a while"
 
if you have money to buy pot you dont need welfarte and if you're using welfare money for pot you dont deserve welfare....

Even though strong drugs are flushed out of the system in a couple of days, when you are an addict you cant just stop, a heroin or meth addict cant just say "oh my test is next week, I have to stop consuming for a while"
Wanna bet? Sry Nan, your wrong. Not all addicts are strung out.
Even if they did do drugs before the test, they can buy flushers.
 
How many people do you suppose are THAT strung out on welfare? I mean, you have to reimburse everyone that passed too. It sounds expensive to me to assume that all these people are so strung out that they can't stop using for a couple days. You can buy that flush stuff at Walmart. lol
 
Wanna bet? Sry Nan, your wrong. Not all addicts are strung out.
Even if they did do drugs before the test, they can buy flushers.

You give way too much credit to these unemployment druggies.
Addict friends that I know can't just stop and they are in such a stooper that doing things you take for granted are quite hard for them.
Many people will fail for many drugs.
I am calling it now..
 
You give way too much credit to these unemployment druggies.
Addict friends that I know can't just stop and they are in such a stopper that doing things you take for granted are quite hard for them.
Many people will fail for many drugs.
I am calling it now..

Maybe so lol. Hope so.
 
How many people do you suppose are THAT strung out on welfare? I mean, you have to reimburse everyone that passed too. It sounds expensive to me to assume that all these people are so strung out that they can't stop using for a couple days. You can buy that flush stuff at Walmart. lol

Sounds like somebody has a test coming up . lololol
 
I hate hippy pot smokers
 
You give way too much credit to these unemployment druggies.
Addict friends that I know can't just stop and they are in such a stooper that doing things you take for granted are quite hard for them.
Many people will fail for many drugs.
I am calling it now..
The results are in for Florida, NO savings bro. 2% positive result. It cost more to implement the program.
 
The results are in for Florida, NO savings bro. 2% positive result. It cost more to implement the program.

FALSE the saving are being achieved thanks to fear, people fear getting busted and don't apply at all...

In Florida, people receiving cash assistance through welfare have had to pay for their own drug tests since July, and enrollment has shrunk to its lowest levels since the start of the recession.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/11/us/states-adding-drug-test-as-hurdle-for-welfare.html?_r=2&hpw
 
FALSE the saving are being achieved thanks to fear, people fear getting busted and don't apply at all...



http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/11/us/states-adding-drug-test-as-hurdle-for-welfare.html?_r=2&hpw
You cant monetize fear Nans. Saving $100,000 doesnt cover the Millions its costing. And they can re appy 6 to 12 months later, which they will of course. I dont disagree with the law one bit, but I know its a waste of $ in the long run. And it will not be effective.
A %2 yeild is abysmal compaired the claims the Douche governer made. Its a dog and pony show. I see it, but I guess others dont.


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FALSE the saving are being achieved thanks to fear, people fear getting busted and don't apply at all...

Now what in the world would possibly make you think someone would be reluctant to pay for their own drug test they know they're going to fail?

:rolleyes:

Of course you are right. People will take a chance on flunking an employer-funded drug test because there's no downside for them. But a government-based test with teeth will scare the positive-to-be testers from even participating.
 
Now what in the world would possibly make you think someone would be reluctant to pay for their own drug test they know they're going to fail?

:rolleyes:

Of course you are right. People will take a chance on flunking an employer-funded drug test because there's no downside for them. But a government-based test with teeth will scare the positive-to-be testers from even participating.
Put the bowl of stupid you eat too much of everyday.
What would make them reluctant to take a drug test that they know they would fail? The same thing that would make them take a welfare check and do drugs.......Nothing!!!!!!!!
: rolleyes:
Where are these government teeth? They sure are not worried about those goverment teeth when they are using drugs.

How are they going to provide for their families then?
Let me spell it out for you.......C R I M E. Whos going to pay for the crime increase? Police?, Prison time? Property damage?
Oh wait.....you didnt think that far ahead did you?


Your for this legislation, but your Against Nanny Government? Small government and get them out of our lives. Pro Ron Paul, Pro Bachmann, who all cry nanny government.
Your a walking talking, hypocritical, contradiction.
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Put the bowl of stupid you eat too much of everyday.
What would make them reluctant to take a drug test that they know they would fail? The same thing that would make them take a welfare check and do drugs.......Nothing!!!!!!!!
: rolleyes:
Where are these government teeth? They sure are not worried about those goverment teeth when they are using drugs.

How are they going to provide for their families then?
Let me spell it out for you.......C R I M E. Whos going to pay for the crime increase? Police?, Prison time? Property damage?
Oh wait.....you didnt think that far ahead did you?


Your for this legislation, but your Against Nanny Government? Small government and get them out of our lives. Pro Ron Paul, Pro Bachmann, who all cry nanny government.
Your a walking talking, hypocritical, contradiction.
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Awwwww... I've made the retarded kid mad.

The chinstrap on your safety helmet is too tight and it's obviously occluding the already limited blood flow to your brain.
 
I would imagine there is taxpayer (plunkey) money saved long term by people not applying for benefits in the first place for fear of failing a drug test. Now how much crime increases by matter of these same people plugging the gap from a lack of welfare is to be determined.
 
I would imagine there is taxpayer (plunkey) money saved long term by people not applying for benefits in the first place for fear of failing a drug test. Now how much crime increases by matter of these same people plugging the gap from a lack of welfare is to be determined.

I like the crime argument. I guess from BB's claim, we should pay CEO's even more than they make now or otherwise they'll embezzle and/or defraud others for it.
 
I would imagine there is taxpayer (plunkey) money saved long term by people not applying for benefits in the first place for fear of failing a drug test. Now how much crime increases by matter of these same people plugging the gap from a lack of welfare is to be determined.
Your'e right on the amount of crime will change. But I assure you, they will not just sit there and starve to death.
 
I like the crime argument. I guess from BB's claim, we should pay CEO's even more than they make now or otherwise they'll embezzle and/or defraud others for it.
You guess wrong. AsS usual...
It's nice that you ASSume some off the wall things and make them your reality. . . :rolleyes:

And you made an vague ASSociation from to totally different situations Mrs.Flunky Squidness.
 
You guess wrong. AsS usual...
It's nice that you ASSume some off the wall things and make them your reality. . . :rolleyes:

And you made an vague ASSociation from to totally different situations Mrs.Flunky Squidness.

Witnessing this e-weakness first hand makes me appreciate pick3 moar.

Just sayin'

(No e-flirt. Pick3 get your junk out of your hand!)
 
Why don't you bitch ass' and Plank ever correct Needto's typo's? Oh , yea your too pussy two, to , too, teu.

That reason right there is why I think your correcting peoples typo's are funny.

* people's
 
Why don't you bitch ass' and Plank ever correct Needto's typo's? Oh , yea your too pussy two, to , too, teu.

That reason right there is why I think your correcting peoples typo's are funny.

just trying to be helpful

didn't want you to make the same mistakes at Cybercollege



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I just need to point out that Luis Lebron, who ruined this pretty good idea doesn't sound like a blacque dude. I find this most pleasing.
 
I don't like it. Hard drugs are out of your system in days. This is only going to catch pot foggers anyway. I don't see how even if they pay for their own test how this will save any money, a lab still has to test it. Heroin is out of your system in what? Three days? I see this encouraging people to move to harder drugs since marijuana is the one that stays in your system so long.


a heroin addict is gonna go three days without a fix for his/her TANF/Welfare??

you think so?
 
a heroin addict is gonna go three days without a fix for his/her TANF/Welfare??

you think so?

They can drink a gallon of water while popping b-vitamins to color their urine to pass the test,a trace level of opiates isn't considered a positive in my state for a parole or probation violation. That's a primitive way of beating it..there are numerous prosthetic devices that allow people to use clean urine on a drug test. Many of the people on welfare roles have been beating court ordered drug tests based on criminal convictions for years and judges often order bi-weekly tests that can't be taken on consecutive days...


One thing you can count on is that people eligible for welfare either know how to beat a drug test or know someone that knows how to beat a drug test because they have been subjected to state ordered drug tests.
 
How could anybody living on 180 dollars a month afford drugs anyway. Does this mean that Florida has cheap coke? How much per gram ? If you are going to comment on price of 8 Balls please tell me what that is in grams
 
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