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- Thread starter casavant
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I know your mom is one, so out of respect for you I'll
temper most of my comments.
But, They better not ever walk in front of my car or
They'll see the Big H on the hood bearing down on
them at high speed.
Damn they drive me nuts. I used to live in a townhouse
years ago and we'd get them 2-3 times a week.
Drove me bonkers....
temper most of my comments.
But, They better not ever walk in front of my car or
They'll see the Big H on the hood bearing down on
them at high speed.
Damn they drive me nuts. I used to live in a townhouse
years ago and we'd get them 2-3 times a week.
Drove me bonkers....
J
Julez
Guest
They have come to my door in the past, I just choose not to listen to them..... it's up to them what them want believe.
What does bother me is I know that they do sometimes target vunerable people such as the elderly, go around hospital wards etc...
I *personally* beliebe their religion is fucked up though.... that thing with blood transfusions and not being able to socialise with non-Jehovas witness's.....
Are they not based in NY(Watchtowere corp?)...
What does bother me is I know that they do sometimes target vunerable people such as the elderly, go around hospital wards etc...
I *personally* beliebe their religion is fucked up though.... that thing with blood transfusions and not being able to socialise with non-Jehovas witness's.....
Are they not based in NY(Watchtowere corp?)...
casavant
New member
Yeah, my mom is one, but she chilled out on the whole door- to- door thing years ago. She's also one of the least judgemental people I know.
Me: "Yeah, I had to get a blood test because I was with this chick from the club and the condom broke on me."
Mom: "Well, even if you test positive there's still a lot of treatment out there. Call us when you get the results. I love you." She rocks.
Me: "Yeah, I had to get a blood test because I was with this chick from the club and the condom broke on me."
Mom: "Well, even if you test positive there's still a lot of treatment out there. Call us when you get the results. I love you." She rocks.
I think I've made some "don't stop at this guys house" list because they avoid me like the plague anymore. I use to invite them in and have these long debates and would really fuck with their heads and shit. After about two and a half hours they'd be begging to leave and I would still continue my arguements as they would be packing it in and heading for the door. I even chased one down the street once with a copy of the Baghivaghida.
HappyScrappy
New member
My dad used to invite them in and then take a bath. They usually left pretty quickly, even though he made it clear they could come talk to him while he was taking the bath.
Then another time I visited a friend at a hotel, and I was like "damn, some sort of model convention" - all of these beautiful girls around (in Ronoake VA) - then I saw in the lobby, it was one of the biggest JW conferences in the country for that year (94ish).
Pissed me off - all of that wasted hotness all going to insanity.
A coworker told me the other day that he read in the news recently of some JW parents that beat their like 5 year old daughter to death with a belt - I read around more and apparently that is what some sects within many religions tell you to do if a family member dissents, you beat them for it - and if they die, then they weren't meant to be around anyway... not sure how the hell that logically got started.
Then another time I visited a friend at a hotel, and I was like "damn, some sort of model convention" - all of these beautiful girls around (in Ronoake VA) - then I saw in the lobby, it was one of the biggest JW conferences in the country for that year (94ish).
Pissed me off - all of that wasted hotness all going to insanity.
A coworker told me the other day that he read in the news recently of some JW parents that beat their like 5 year old daughter to death with a belt - I read around more and apparently that is what some sects within many religions tell you to do if a family member dissents, you beat them for it - and if they die, then they weren't meant to be around anyway... not sure how the hell that logically got started.
casavant
New member
Every demographic has its wackos, but I don't think I've ever heard of corporal punishment of that extent being endorsed by Jehovah's Witnesses. I heard of a sixteen year old once that was on those steroids that give you big muscles and make you crazy and he slit his girlfriends throat. 'Nuff said.
Here in Arkansas, I've heard of Witnesses doing their rounds in the Ozarks getting run off with a shotgun.
I have seen cases where children were basically disowned by their parents and siblings when they strayed from "The Truth", as Witnesses call it. I see no way in which this could benefit either party. I'm not a religious person in any respect, and I see the witness religion as one loopy coping mechanism among many. At least they don't fight wars in the name of God.
Here is one thing I will say in their favor. From what I have
seen, more Witnesses are ACTIVE in their religion than in many others. It's easy to say, "Yeah, I'm a Christian (Jehovah's Witnesses believe in God and Jesus Christ and consider themselves Christians), I believe in God.", and maybe go to a church service or two. Many Witnesses take time out of their day to go door to door spreading the word of their faith, which they feel is their duty according to the Bible. And believe it or not, it is not a comfortable thing for many to do- especially when you're not used to it and you know that the odds are you will be facing some serious ridicule. They're still people with insecurities, you know. Despite this, they go out and spread their faith.
Here in Arkansas, I've heard of Witnesses doing their rounds in the Ozarks getting run off with a shotgun.
I have seen cases where children were basically disowned by their parents and siblings when they strayed from "The Truth", as Witnesses call it. I see no way in which this could benefit either party. I'm not a religious person in any respect, and I see the witness religion as one loopy coping mechanism among many. At least they don't fight wars in the name of God.
Here is one thing I will say in their favor. From what I have
seen, more Witnesses are ACTIVE in their religion than in many others. It's easy to say, "Yeah, I'm a Christian (Jehovah's Witnesses believe in God and Jesus Christ and consider themselves Christians), I believe in God.", and maybe go to a church service or two. Many Witnesses take time out of their day to go door to door spreading the word of their faith, which they feel is their duty according to the Bible. And believe it or not, it is not a comfortable thing for many to do- especially when you're not used to it and you know that the odds are you will be facing some serious ridicule. They're still people with insecurities, you know. Despite this, they go out and spread their faith.
J
Julez
Guest
Yeah, that is true, but would'nt their energy be far better expended doing something that actually benefits people....... It's all very well preaching the gospel but hows about put practising it?
I mean, I used to go to church years ago...... for one hour these people profess their faith, say they have sinned, promise to do better etc,etc. And many act like assholes the rest of the week.
The reason I stopped going was to work Sundays was on my hospital ward when we were severly understaffed and I felt that my work was far more in line with the churchs theaching of what Christians should be doing with their life(esp on Sunday)... I only get to be an asshole half the week that way
I don't think JW's are bad people, they obviously fervently believe in their faith, and as you say are relatively harmless(as opposed to other hardline sects).
I sometimes wonder if religion causes more problems that it solves...
Actually, I KNOW the answer to that one.
I mean, I used to go to church years ago...... for one hour these people profess their faith, say they have sinned, promise to do better etc,etc. And many act like assholes the rest of the week.
The reason I stopped going was to work Sundays was on my hospital ward when we were severly understaffed and I felt that my work was far more in line with the churchs theaching of what Christians should be doing with their life(esp on Sunday)... I only get to be an asshole half the week that way
I don't think JW's are bad people, they obviously fervently believe in their faith, and as you say are relatively harmless(as opposed to other hardline sects).
I sometimes wonder if religion causes more problems that it solves...
Actually, I KNOW the answer to that one.
talonracer
New member
I tell them to go away since I didn't see the accident
FreakMonster
New member
Ways to get rid of a JW
How to get rid of a Jehovah's Witness...
When they ask, "Can I talk to you about God?" Reply, "Sure, what would you like to know?"
Answer the door with a bloody knife and say, "I'm sorry, could you come back in a half hour? We're not done with the virgin yet."
Answer the door with an automatic weapon and say 'Allah be Praised!
Ask them for their address. When they ask why you want it, claim that you want to appear on their doorstop univited so that you can peddle your own beliefs.
Look smug and tell them that your God can beat up their God.
Tell them you already have your own religion. When they ask what it is, wince a little before confessing, "er, I'm not sure if it's legal in this country
A chalk outline of a human body on the pavement, and a few copies of "The Watchtower" scattered around...
Answer every one of their questions with "What do you mean by that?" This might take a while, but you and your loved ones can have fun placing bets on how long it takes for them to leave.
Ask them to explain the story of Elisha and the Forty-two children.
Invite them in to see your fine collection of dinosaur fossils.
Open the door, tell them not to bother you, because you're worshiping Satan, and then slam the door.
When you see them coming down the street, open all the windows in your home and proceed to blast Marilyn Manson's "Anti-christ Superstar"
Put a sign on your front door that says "Do not disturb, human sacrifice in progress"
Invite them in for tea, when they come in, ask them if they'd like to meet your dog, Lucifer.
Set your lawn sprinkler at the edge of the lawn, as soon as they walk past it, turn it on high.
Open the door, listen to their ridiculous speech, but every time they say the word "lord" say "yes, my child?"
Open the door, pretend they are a delivery person, and say, "oh good, my statue of Jeffry Dahmer must be here! It will look great next to the one of Norman Bates, how much do I owe you?"
Open the door, listen to their lecture, and then ask if you could get that in writing.
Pretend you speak Spanish.
Tell them you have to go, you are late for target practice, ask them if they would like to participate.
How to get rid of a Jehovah's Witness...
When they ask, "Can I talk to you about God?" Reply, "Sure, what would you like to know?"
Answer the door with a bloody knife and say, "I'm sorry, could you come back in a half hour? We're not done with the virgin yet."
Answer the door with an automatic weapon and say 'Allah be Praised!
Ask them for their address. When they ask why you want it, claim that you want to appear on their doorstop univited so that you can peddle your own beliefs.
Look smug and tell them that your God can beat up their God.
Tell them you already have your own religion. When they ask what it is, wince a little before confessing, "er, I'm not sure if it's legal in this country
A chalk outline of a human body on the pavement, and a few copies of "The Watchtower" scattered around...
Answer every one of their questions with "What do you mean by that?" This might take a while, but you and your loved ones can have fun placing bets on how long it takes for them to leave.
Ask them to explain the story of Elisha and the Forty-two children.
Invite them in to see your fine collection of dinosaur fossils.
Open the door, tell them not to bother you, because you're worshiping Satan, and then slam the door.
When you see them coming down the street, open all the windows in your home and proceed to blast Marilyn Manson's "Anti-christ Superstar"
Put a sign on your front door that says "Do not disturb, human sacrifice in progress"
Invite them in for tea, when they come in, ask them if they'd like to meet your dog, Lucifer.
Set your lawn sprinkler at the edge of the lawn, as soon as they walk past it, turn it on high.
Open the door, listen to their ridiculous speech, but every time they say the word "lord" say "yes, my child?"
Open the door, pretend they are a delivery person, and say, "oh good, my statue of Jeffry Dahmer must be here! It will look great next to the one of Norman Bates, how much do I owe you?"
Open the door, listen to their lecture, and then ask if you could get that in writing.
Pretend you speak Spanish.
Tell them you have to go, you are late for target practice, ask them if they would like to participate.
FreakMonster
New member
Why do Jehovah's Witnesses call at Your Door?
They are raising money for their publishing organization by asking you for contributions for their magazines, the Watchtower and Awake!, or other items, but what they really want is YOU.
They practice very hard at their local church (called a Kingdom Hall), to impress you with their honesty and sincerity as "bible teachers". They will offer you a "free home bible study". It's really not free in the long run, and their "bible" is doctored to reflect their beliefs.
If you have been recently traumatized by divorce, death, financial woes, or dissatisfaction with life, you are a candidate to become a JW. They are looking for those vulnerable enough to be attracted by their message of a "new paradise earth" where troubles disappear. The only way in, according to them, is through their organization.
Want to become a Jehovah's Witness? Here are the true facts about what your life will be like. All these facts can be documented from their own literature.
1. BE PREPARED to believe that JW's alone are of God. All other religions, in fact, all non-JW's are of the devil. No exceptions.
2. BE PREPARED to become an extremely negative person, except about the Watchtower organization, where you will have to be extremely positive. (No criticism allowed).
3. BE PREPARED to give your entire patriotic feelings to the Watchtower (WT) organization. since you will not be able to serve in any branch of the armed forces, or work as a civilian on any base. All employment must meet with WT approval .
4. BE PREPARED to never again salute the flag, or stand for a national anthem, or express nationalistic feelings of any kind.
5. BE PREPARED to no longer vote, or have political opinions. Condemnation of all (except the WT) is the order of the day.
6. BE PREPARED at work. If your job involves confidentiality, such as employment in a doctor's or lawyer's office, you will be expected to break that confidentiality to report on any JW patient to the elders. (Example, an unmarried JW woman may want birth control pills etc. ). Innocent employers have been sued.
7. BE PREPARED to forget about having a normal childhood for your children. They will be expected to set their sights on a life of full-time service to the Watchtower Organization. They will practice all their growing-up years, by sitting quietly at the meetings five times a week with you, and accompanying you as you knock on doors with the WT's literature.
8. BE PREPARED to forbid or discourage your children from the following activities after-school sports, having non-JW friends as playmates, joining the YM/YWCA, school dances, voting in school elections, all dating, except for JW 's, and then only if marriage is intended.
9. BE PREPARED to forbid the doctors from administering a life-saving blood transfusion to your child or yourself. Vaccinations and organ transplants were forbidden at one time too, but the WT often changes its mind. Wouldn't it be a shame if you allowed your child to die, and then the WT changed its policy? Many have had this experience already.
10. BE PREPARED to defend the WT Organization about its false prophecies. It has set the date for the end of the world for 1914, 1915, 1918, 1925, the 1940's, 1975. Armageddon is now expected "any moment", but don't be too sure, with their track record. Incidentally, their doctrines change regularly too, so don't become too convinced too fast. It's called "new light".
11. BE PREPARED to lie in court, under oath, if called upon to do so by your elders. If you and your minor children are involved in a child custody case, your children too will be coached by the JW elders to misrepresent their lifestyle under oath. After all, the court system is under the influence of the devil, so its okay--perjury and fraud not withstanding!
13. BE PREPARED to really hate everything but the WT Organization, and especially hate anyone who has the nerve to up and leave. (the dreaded "apostates"). There is no honorable way out of the WT organization. Not only will you be expected to shun and ignore anyone leaving (even family members), but the literature directs you:
"We must hate in the truest sense, which is to regard with extreme and active aversion, to consider as loathsome, odious filthy, to detest."
They are raising money for their publishing organization by asking you for contributions for their magazines, the Watchtower and Awake!, or other items, but what they really want is YOU.
They practice very hard at their local church (called a Kingdom Hall), to impress you with their honesty and sincerity as "bible teachers". They will offer you a "free home bible study". It's really not free in the long run, and their "bible" is doctored to reflect their beliefs.
If you have been recently traumatized by divorce, death, financial woes, or dissatisfaction with life, you are a candidate to become a JW. They are looking for those vulnerable enough to be attracted by their message of a "new paradise earth" where troubles disappear. The only way in, according to them, is through their organization.
Want to become a Jehovah's Witness? Here are the true facts about what your life will be like. All these facts can be documented from their own literature.
1. BE PREPARED to believe that JW's alone are of God. All other religions, in fact, all non-JW's are of the devil. No exceptions.
2. BE PREPARED to become an extremely negative person, except about the Watchtower organization, where you will have to be extremely positive. (No criticism allowed).
3. BE PREPARED to give your entire patriotic feelings to the Watchtower (WT) organization. since you will not be able to serve in any branch of the armed forces, or work as a civilian on any base. All employment must meet with WT approval .
4. BE PREPARED to never again salute the flag, or stand for a national anthem, or express nationalistic feelings of any kind.
5. BE PREPARED to no longer vote, or have political opinions. Condemnation of all (except the WT) is the order of the day.
6. BE PREPARED at work. If your job involves confidentiality, such as employment in a doctor's or lawyer's office, you will be expected to break that confidentiality to report on any JW patient to the elders. (Example, an unmarried JW woman may want birth control pills etc. ). Innocent employers have been sued.
7. BE PREPARED to forget about having a normal childhood for your children. They will be expected to set their sights on a life of full-time service to the Watchtower Organization. They will practice all their growing-up years, by sitting quietly at the meetings five times a week with you, and accompanying you as you knock on doors with the WT's literature.
8. BE PREPARED to forbid or discourage your children from the following activities after-school sports, having non-JW friends as playmates, joining the YM/YWCA, school dances, voting in school elections, all dating, except for JW 's, and then only if marriage is intended.
9. BE PREPARED to forbid the doctors from administering a life-saving blood transfusion to your child or yourself. Vaccinations and organ transplants were forbidden at one time too, but the WT often changes its mind. Wouldn't it be a shame if you allowed your child to die, and then the WT changed its policy? Many have had this experience already.
10. BE PREPARED to defend the WT Organization about its false prophecies. It has set the date for the end of the world for 1914, 1915, 1918, 1925, the 1940's, 1975. Armageddon is now expected "any moment", but don't be too sure, with their track record. Incidentally, their doctrines change regularly too, so don't become too convinced too fast. It's called "new light".
11. BE PREPARED to lie in court, under oath, if called upon to do so by your elders. If you and your minor children are involved in a child custody case, your children too will be coached by the JW elders to misrepresent their lifestyle under oath. After all, the court system is under the influence of the devil, so its okay--perjury and fraud not withstanding!
13. BE PREPARED to really hate everything but the WT Organization, and especially hate anyone who has the nerve to up and leave. (the dreaded "apostates"). There is no honorable way out of the WT organization. Not only will you be expected to shun and ignore anyone leaving (even family members), but the literature directs you:
"We must hate in the truest sense, which is to regard with extreme and active aversion, to consider as loathsome, odious filthy, to detest."
PinK233
New member
Whenever they would show up at the door bright and early on Saturday mornings I would be in a very bad mood, since I was trying to sleep, I would be calm at first and just say "I'm Catholic, not interested in learning about your religion, but thanks anyway." Then they would go ranting on about God...and I say "ok I hear enough of this at Church, thanks anyway." Eventually, they were so persistent I would just close the door.
casavant
New member
Julez- I definitely agree on helping your fellow humans in a more direct and tangible way.
Freakmonster: Your ways to get rid of a Jehovah's Witness were pretty funny.
Your second post has a lot of truths to it, but you seem to put a bit of a spin on some facts. Like #3- it's not like you have to get a consent form signed when you get a new job. Short of something like the armed forces, you're employment is pretty much up to you. If you do join the military, you may become disfellowshipped, but considering you're breaking your own doctrine you probably wouldn't care that much at that point.
#8: Sports are discouraged, but I have never heard of children being required to only associate with other JWs. The rules of parents may vary, but the religion doesn't require it.
Freakmonster: Your ways to get rid of a Jehovah's Witness were pretty funny.
Your second post has a lot of truths to it, but you seem to put a bit of a spin on some facts. Like #3- it's not like you have to get a consent form signed when you get a new job. Short of something like the armed forces, you're employment is pretty much up to you. If you do join the military, you may become disfellowshipped, but considering you're breaking your own doctrine you probably wouldn't care that much at that point.
#8: Sports are discouraged, but I have never heard of children being required to only associate with other JWs. The rules of parents may vary, but the religion doesn't require it.
FreakMonster
New member
Casavant,
Are you thinking of becoming a JW?
I have nothing against JW's but I feel like they have been brainwashed for the most part and if you read alot of there prophecies they are off on many dates including 1914 and 607 BCE. Many JW's can't take any critizism or don't like to debate.
Are you thinking of becoming a JW?
I have nothing against JW's but I feel like they have been brainwashed for the most part and if you read alot of there prophecies they are off on many dates including 1914 and 607 BCE. Many JW's can't take any critizism or don't like to debate.
casavant
New member
Freakmonster:
Oh, hell no brother, I am NOT thinking of becoming a Witness. I mentioned the fact that my mother was one in my first posting of the day (the one about "what if you found out your mother was a prostitute?"). Since everyone seems to have some pretty strong opinions about Witnesses, as well as misconceptions, I thought it would be an interesting thread. Gotta go now. I'll be back tomorrow.
Oh, hell no brother, I am NOT thinking of becoming a Witness. I mentioned the fact that my mother was one in my first posting of the day (the one about "what if you found out your mother was a prostitute?"). Since everyone seems to have some pretty strong opinions about Witnesses, as well as misconceptions, I thought it would be an interesting thread. Gotta go now. I'll be back tomorrow.
luv2workout
New member
I have a VERY good friend who is a JW... I love her to death...but she can only hang out w/me if "they" dont know....I might not hear from her for months at a time, while she is heavy into practicing or whatever they do....
I cant figure something out - She loves to drink beer...the whole family drinks, but heaven forbid smoking or saying a cuss word...whats with the double standard??
I cant figure something out - She loves to drink beer...the whole family drinks, but heaven forbid smoking or saying a cuss word...whats with the double standard??
Your_Moms_Kneepads
New member
I am an RN and it puzzles me about their "no blood products" beliefs. I see people who are Muslim. catholic,protestant, buddhist, jewish, and other faiths and as different as they are NONE of them have this (what I consider bizarre) belief about blood transfusions.
I can see if it was someone else's blood (even a family member) but they don't allow AUTOLOGOUS blood transfusions either.
An Autologous transfusion is when you donate your own blood before surgery (in case you need it) and have it given back to you if needed. This is done before elective surgeries where there is time to do so. You cant break your hip and then go into the hospital and then donate your own blood b/c the process takes too long usually unless circumstances allow.
THis bugs me ALOT. Also its fucked up when kids need transfuisions and parents would rather let the child die b/c of their beliefs. Call this prejudiced? Then I am.
I can see if it was someone else's blood (even a family member) but they don't allow AUTOLOGOUS blood transfusions either.
An Autologous transfusion is when you donate your own blood before surgery (in case you need it) and have it given back to you if needed. This is done before elective surgeries where there is time to do so. You cant break your hip and then go into the hospital and then donate your own blood b/c the process takes too long usually unless circumstances allow.
THis bugs me ALOT. Also its fucked up when kids need transfuisions and parents would rather let the child die b/c of their beliefs. Call this prejudiced? Then I am.
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Warik
Guest
Re: Ways to get rid of a JW
HAH!! I like it! I'm going to use this one on telemarketers, though.
"Hi is Warik?"
"This is Warik."
"Hi Warik! I'm doing a survey; I was hoping I could ask you some questions."
"Certainly, but first I must ask you a question."
"Sure"
"What is your telephone number?"
"Um, why?"
"So I can you during dinner and annoy you too."
EZ
ME LIKE
THX freekbeetch
-Warik
FreakMonster said:
HAH!! I like it! I'm going to use this one on telemarketers, though.
"Hi is Warik?"
"This is Warik."
"Hi Warik! I'm doing a survey; I was hoping I could ask you some questions."
"Certainly, but first I must ask you a question."
"Sure"
"What is your telephone number?"
"Um, why?"
"So I can you during dinner and annoy you too."
EZ
ME LIKE
THX freekbeetch
-Warik
Your_Moms_Kneepads
New member
The Mormons keep calling Shrebly b/c she does the same thing.WODIN said:
casavant
New member
Warik, Freakmonster, Kneepads:
Or if you're my mother, you can earnestly try to engage the telemarketer in a conversation concerning the Jehovah's Witness faith. They're practically begging HER to let them go after a couple of minutes. The thing is, she's actually wanting to talk to them, not just using it as a ploy to get them off the phone. I've seen her do this more than once, and it cracks me up every time.
Freakmonster: Things may have changed in the several years it's been since I was last in a Kingdom Hall, but I know that in the early nineties the Witnesses went to a donation policy on publications. If anyone wanted literature, Witness or not, they could get it free of charge. Also, at their assemblies and conventions, all food that is served is paid for on a donation basis as well. I've seen this first hand myself. While I'm not so naive as to readily believe that noone high up on the ladder is making money, I don't think they've been exposed as of yet. It seems like something juicy like that would come out in "60 Minutes" or something.
I know the Witnesses use a version of the bible that they publish themselves, called "The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures". But I also know my mother, for one, will use the King James version in a bible study if that person so chooses.
The blood thing is a little far out- they have all sorts of "scientific" backing that says blood transfusions aren't necessary and that there are viable alternatives, but I'm not sure how much truth there is to this. Kneepads, maybe you can elaborate on this subject.
I think that Jehovah's Witness children are not raised with a very realistic view of the world. They seem to be given the impression that "worldly" people are almost malicious. And I'm still trying to understand the prohibition they place on playing sports in school. That seems to be pretty arbitrary to me. The way they don't celebrate birthdays doesn't make much sense either. Damn, what's wrong with celebrating the anniversary of your birth, anyway? Or Mother's Day, or Father's Day? Easter and Christmas are religiously based holidays, but it seems secular ones such as these could be celebrated by anyone. Sometimes I think it is just because they want to totally, needlessly separate themselves from us worldly folks.
I'll tell you one thing for sure- when I was a little kid (my mother 's been a Witness since 1988), that stuff about "the last days" scared the living shit out of me- I don't think you should ever scare little kids with crap like that. Since my dad is an agnostic, I was scared that when armageddon came he was going to be snuffed out with the last of the non-believers. I remember once when I was nine, I was laying in my bed crying about it one night and when my Dad found out why, he went downstairs and got into a hell of a good argument with my mother.
Or if you're my mother, you can earnestly try to engage the telemarketer in a conversation concerning the Jehovah's Witness faith. They're practically begging HER to let them go after a couple of minutes. The thing is, she's actually wanting to talk to them, not just using it as a ploy to get them off the phone. I've seen her do this more than once, and it cracks me up every time.
Freakmonster: Things may have changed in the several years it's been since I was last in a Kingdom Hall, but I know that in the early nineties the Witnesses went to a donation policy on publications. If anyone wanted literature, Witness or not, they could get it free of charge. Also, at their assemblies and conventions, all food that is served is paid for on a donation basis as well. I've seen this first hand myself. While I'm not so naive as to readily believe that noone high up on the ladder is making money, I don't think they've been exposed as of yet. It seems like something juicy like that would come out in "60 Minutes" or something.
I know the Witnesses use a version of the bible that they publish themselves, called "The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures". But I also know my mother, for one, will use the King James version in a bible study if that person so chooses.
The blood thing is a little far out- they have all sorts of "scientific" backing that says blood transfusions aren't necessary and that there are viable alternatives, but I'm not sure how much truth there is to this. Kneepads, maybe you can elaborate on this subject.
I think that Jehovah's Witness children are not raised with a very realistic view of the world. They seem to be given the impression that "worldly" people are almost malicious. And I'm still trying to understand the prohibition they place on playing sports in school. That seems to be pretty arbitrary to me. The way they don't celebrate birthdays doesn't make much sense either. Damn, what's wrong with celebrating the anniversary of your birth, anyway? Or Mother's Day, or Father's Day? Easter and Christmas are religiously based holidays, but it seems secular ones such as these could be celebrated by anyone. Sometimes I think it is just because they want to totally, needlessly separate themselves from us worldly folks.
I'll tell you one thing for sure- when I was a little kid (my mother 's been a Witness since 1988), that stuff about "the last days" scared the living shit out of me- I don't think you should ever scare little kids with crap like that. Since my dad is an agnostic, I was scared that when armageddon came he was going to be snuffed out with the last of the non-believers. I remember once when I was nine, I was laying in my bed crying about it one night and when my Dad found out why, he went downstairs and got into a hell of a good argument with my mother.
FreakMonster
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Casavant,
That is some fucked up shit!! Your mom making you believe armageddon is around the corner. Wasn't the last time they believe armageddon was coming in 1975? LOL
I really to feel bad for some of these people because they are so brainwashed and fed all this garbage about armageddon and how only 144,000 people will be allowed to go to paradise. it really saddens me. Ex-JW's always talk about how they were taught that Jehovah's Witnesses were the only true religion. It is a religion governed from Watchtower headquarters in Brooklyn, N.Y. The controlling council or governing body is comprised of a handful of elderly men who control the lives of over four million people. Jehovah's Witnesses are taught that everything written by Watchtower leaders is from God Himself and is never to be questioned. They believe that the governing body receives what they call, "new light" from angelic beings which explain their unique Bible teachings. This "angelic" information, is passed on to the rank and file in printed form through Watchtower materials. They believe the Watchtower organization is the sole agency on the earth God is using. So, according to their beliefs, apart from the Watchtower organization, people have no hope. Jehovah's Witnesses believe they alone have what they call "the truth." They also believe they alone are the only true Christians, which means, they alone will be saved. All others are considered part of "Babylon the Great-the world empire of false religion." All church members and others will be slaughtered by Jehovah God at the battle of Armageddon
The WTS claims it uses the Bible as it's "supreme authority". Where in the Bible does anyone count their time in preaching on a slip of paper and are assigned record cards of activity, determining this as a "gauge to their spirituality"? Where in the Bible are Pioneers, Auxiliary Pioneers, District Overseers, Circuit Overseers, Bethelites, and Kingdom Halls?
That is some fucked up shit!! Your mom making you believe armageddon is around the corner. Wasn't the last time they believe armageddon was coming in 1975? LOL
I really to feel bad for some of these people because they are so brainwashed and fed all this garbage about armageddon and how only 144,000 people will be allowed to go to paradise. it really saddens me. Ex-JW's always talk about how they were taught that Jehovah's Witnesses were the only true religion. It is a religion governed from Watchtower headquarters in Brooklyn, N.Y. The controlling council or governing body is comprised of a handful of elderly men who control the lives of over four million people. Jehovah's Witnesses are taught that everything written by Watchtower leaders is from God Himself and is never to be questioned. They believe that the governing body receives what they call, "new light" from angelic beings which explain their unique Bible teachings. This "angelic" information, is passed on to the rank and file in printed form through Watchtower materials. They believe the Watchtower organization is the sole agency on the earth God is using. So, according to their beliefs, apart from the Watchtower organization, people have no hope. Jehovah's Witnesses believe they alone have what they call "the truth." They also believe they alone are the only true Christians, which means, they alone will be saved. All others are considered part of "Babylon the Great-the world empire of false religion." All church members and others will be slaughtered by Jehovah God at the battle of Armageddon
The WTS claims it uses the Bible as it's "supreme authority". Where in the Bible does anyone count their time in preaching on a slip of paper and are assigned record cards of activity, determining this as a "gauge to their spirituality"? Where in the Bible are Pioneers, Auxiliary Pioneers, District Overseers, Circuit Overseers, Bethelites, and Kingdom Halls?
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casavant
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Freakmonster:
Dude, I am impressed! You seem to be familiar with the terminology and everything (Pioneers, Circuit Overseers, etc.) Where did you get all this information? I would say you know more than 99% of the general population. No sarcasm intended whatsoever.
My mom has eased up the last few years. She's an extremely intelligent woman, so much so that it boggles me that she is a believer in the Jehovah's Witness faith, or any religion for that matter. I just can't understand.
Dude, I am impressed! You seem to be familiar with the terminology and everything (Pioneers, Circuit Overseers, etc.) Where did you get all this information? I would say you know more than 99% of the general population. No sarcasm intended whatsoever.
My mom has eased up the last few years. She's an extremely intelligent woman, so much so that it boggles me that she is a believer in the Jehovah's Witness faith, or any religion for that matter. I just can't understand.
ORGANON CANON
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The 2 fuckers were at my house 5 minutes ago. Fuck them, it really pisses me off. They go around recruiting for their colt.....I mean religon like idiots. They preach about a lot of hypocritical stuff too. They also don't participate in halloween because they don't like all those people at the door. Fucking idots if you ask me.
The last time a JW came to my door, it was a guy so hot I was ALMOST tempted to listen - I was like "Damn! They've totally reworked their marketing stratgy..."
They used to come to my childhood home all the time - we'd see them coming up te street and my dad would ask me to stand away from the door. We're catholic, and we were regular churchgoers at this time - I was in the choir, ad was an altar girl when I got to be a bit older.
Anyway, being a salesman, my dad thinks everyone deserves 30 seconds to make their pitch. So, when they rang the bell, he'd tell them to start, adn he' watch his wristwatch the whole time. After 30 seconds, he'd thell them they hadn't sold him. Final. and shut the door.
The last time they came there I remember clearly, 'cause he did something new - the woman had her daughter with her, a sweet little thing a few years younger than me. When my dad opened the door adn the woman started talking, he kneeled down on the ground and said "Hi little girl!"
the girl and her mother smiled... He says "do you think God loves you?" adn she says "Yes!" he asks "Do you think your mommy loves you?" and she grins, and nods, and says "Yes!!" so my dad says "Did you know, if you were hit by a car, and you needed blood to live, your mommy would let you DIE instead because your religion says so?"
"Mommy mommy is this true?!"
The woman grabbed her child and ran off the porch.
It was mean, bu they never came back to that house.
I have nothing against them, I just wish they wouldn't try and sell their religion to everyone.
They used to come to my childhood home all the time - we'd see them coming up te street and my dad would ask me to stand away from the door. We're catholic, and we were regular churchgoers at this time - I was in the choir, ad was an altar girl when I got to be a bit older.
Anyway, being a salesman, my dad thinks everyone deserves 30 seconds to make their pitch. So, when they rang the bell, he'd tell them to start, adn he' watch his wristwatch the whole time. After 30 seconds, he'd thell them they hadn't sold him. Final. and shut the door.
The last time they came there I remember clearly, 'cause he did something new - the woman had her daughter with her, a sweet little thing a few years younger than me. When my dad opened the door adn the woman started talking, he kneeled down on the ground and said "Hi little girl!"
the girl and her mother smiled... He says "do you think God loves you?" adn she says "Yes!" he asks "Do you think your mommy loves you?" and she grins, and nods, and says "Yes!!" so my dad says "Did you know, if you were hit by a car, and you needed blood to live, your mommy would let you DIE instead because your religion says so?"
"Mommy mommy is this true?!"
The woman grabbed her child and ran off the porch.
It was mean, bu they never came back to that house.
I have nothing against them, I just wish they wouldn't try and sell their religion to everyone.
B
booger
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Just a lesser version of Jim Jones.
Captain Craig Button, 32, Crashed a Military A-10 Thunderbolt jet, his parents were Jehovah's Witnesses AND were in Tucson days before his death. They told investigators they had talked with their son about the end of the world. Button then asked for more information on the subject. Investigators found in Button's bed-stand the Bible and a religious pamphlet, which described "God asking a father to sacrifice his only son on a burning pyre at the side of a mountain," the report said. ASSOCIATED PRESS, November 18, 1998
Captain Craig Button, 32, Crashed a Military A-10 Thunderbolt jet, his parents were Jehovah's Witnesses AND were in Tucson days before his death. They told investigators they had talked with their son about the end of the world. Button then asked for more information on the subject. Investigators found in Button's bed-stand the Bible and a religious pamphlet, which described "God asking a father to sacrifice his only son on a burning pyre at the side of a mountain," the report said. ASSOCIATED PRESS, November 18, 1998
FreakMonster
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Re: Freakmonster:
Bro I know alot about the religion because my ex-GF used to be a practicing JW. Before I dated her I had no clue about the JW religion and didn't even know she was one herself until a buddy of mine died. That was when I was the most vulnerable and she started to tell me about god and everything about her religion. I have to admit that I was very interested in what she was telling me and I started to also talk to her mother about the religion and we started doing some bible studies. Everything seemed pretty interesting and I was getting sucked in until they told me about the door to door thing to try and convert other people. That's when I started having doubts in my mind about the religion.
I then started researching on the internet to find other view points on the religion and also found a book that was very imformative call Crisis of Conscience by a man named Ray Franz who used to be an elder. But he ended up getting dissassociated from the Organization because he had lunch with an Apostate.
In the book he basically exposes what the JW religion is about and all the inconsistencies with the dates. Very good book to read if you want to know the real truth.
Ask your mom if she's ever read that book.
After all this information I tried to confront my gf about it and she did not even want to her me talk because she said the devil had gotten a hold of me and that I was trying to take her away from what she believed in. I couldn't believe what was coming out of her mouth. It was like someone had programmed her to say those kind of things and she did her best to defend her religion even when I showed her inconsitencies. I just shook my head and felt sorry that she had such a negative out look on life and people in general. Thing is you can't debate with a JW because they have cherished beliefs. These beliefs may even be so fundamental to their sense of well-being that they can never talk about them dispassionately. They can't let them not be true.
casavant said:
Bro I know alot about the religion because my ex-GF used to be a practicing JW. Before I dated her I had no clue about the JW religion and didn't even know she was one herself until a buddy of mine died. That was when I was the most vulnerable and she started to tell me about god and everything about her religion. I have to admit that I was very interested in what she was telling me and I started to also talk to her mother about the religion and we started doing some bible studies. Everything seemed pretty interesting and I was getting sucked in until they told me about the door to door thing to try and convert other people. That's when I started having doubts in my mind about the religion.
I then started researching on the internet to find other view points on the religion and also found a book that was very imformative call Crisis of Conscience by a man named Ray Franz who used to be an elder. But he ended up getting dissassociated from the Organization because he had lunch with an Apostate.
In the book he basically exposes what the JW religion is about and all the inconsistencies with the dates. Very good book to read if you want to know the real truth.
Ask your mom if she's ever read that book.
After all this information I tried to confront my gf about it and she did not even want to her me talk because she said the devil had gotten a hold of me and that I was trying to take her away from what she believed in. I couldn't believe what was coming out of her mouth. It was like someone had programmed her to say those kind of things and she did her best to defend her religion even when I showed her inconsitencies. I just shook my head and felt sorry that she had such a negative out look on life and people in general. Thing is you can't debate with a JW because they have cherished beliefs. These beliefs may even be so fundamental to their sense of well-being that they can never talk about them dispassionately. They can't let them not be true.
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casavant
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I've run into the same frustrating experience trying to debate with JWs and a lot of other people with very strong religious beliefs. You can obviously point out their inconsistencies and falsehoods, but they still won't concede. It's ridiculous. Like you said, it would crush their whole world.
luv2workout
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Ive known many Christians who have backslid.....seems to me that the JW faith is much stronger..kinda like, once a JW - always a JW...does anyone know of anyone who's chosen to leave the faith??
FreakMonster
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luv2workout said:
I don't know anyone personally that has chosen to leave the organization but many JW have left the organization. I'm talking millions of people.
Usually the people that leave are the ones that have doubts about the religion already. If the religion is the persons life and they have no doubts they will not leave the religion and will defend it no matter what you tell them because if they leave they feel they have no where or no one to turn to for answers about what happens to them in the afterlife.
luv2workout
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What about being DISFELLOWSHIPPED? My friend has told me that if they do something wrong (sin or whatever) then they are disfellowshiped and their fellow JW brothers/sisters cant speak to them until they prove they are sorry and get their life right for a certain amount of time.....they have some strange rules!
FreakMonster
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Here are some of the stupid rules of the JW Religion:
*No blood transfusions
*No organ transplants
*No beards
*No flag salute
*No Military service
*Alternative service is ok as long as you get arrested first
*No skirts with high slits
*No Birthdays, Christmas, Easter, etc.
*No masterbation
*No sex before marriage
*No blood transfusions
*No organ transplants
*No beards
*No flag salute
*No Military service
*Alternative service is ok as long as you get arrested first
*No skirts with high slits
*No Birthdays, Christmas, Easter, etc.
*No masterbation
*No sex before marriage
satanic goatslayer
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I've been periodically shooting these folks who keep coming to my door for the last five or six months. Are these the people you are talking about? They carry magazines with them. I don't read them though, as they are very boring.
FreakMonster
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luv2workout said:
Ya I think my Ex-Gf was disfellowshipped for not walking a straight line. They definitely have some wierd rules.
casavant
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Ooooh yeah.
And when some go out, they REALLY go out. It's like some are predisposed to extremism anyway, so once they leave the faith, they just take it to the other extreme. The woman who originally got my mom into the religion has a son that gave it up along with his wife. I see him at clubs I bounce at occasionally because he has one of those huge spotlights used for grand openings. His wife is a massage therapist and is drop dead gorgeous- she really knows how to show it off, too. The dude is one of those types that likes other guys to look at her. Last time I saw them, they were both drunk and he let the band sign her titties (which are absolutely fantastic). So on their way out, he's like, "Check this out!", and he lifted her top up and grabbed a hold of one of her titties like he was strangling it. She just looked me dead in the eye and smiled. Keep in mind these people's parents are elders in the congregation and have known me since I was eight years old- now I'm getting the boob show. I think at some point I've seen every part of that woman's body. Crazy shit. I can think of some other examples, but I think that one gives you some idea. Witnesses and ex- Witnesses are human too.
And when some go out, they REALLY go out. It's like some are predisposed to extremism anyway, so once they leave the faith, they just take it to the other extreme. The woman who originally got my mom into the religion has a son that gave it up along with his wife. I see him at clubs I bounce at occasionally because he has one of those huge spotlights used for grand openings. His wife is a massage therapist and is drop dead gorgeous- she really knows how to show it off, too. The dude is one of those types that likes other guys to look at her. Last time I saw them, they were both drunk and he let the band sign her titties (which are absolutely fantastic). So on their way out, he's like, "Check this out!", and he lifted her top up and grabbed a hold of one of her titties like he was strangling it. She just looked me dead in the eye and smiled. Keep in mind these people's parents are elders in the congregation and have known me since I was eight years old- now I'm getting the boob show. I think at some point I've seen every part of that woman's body. Crazy shit. I can think of some other examples, but I think that one gives you some idea. Witnesses and ex- Witnesses are human too.
FreakMonster
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Satanic Goatslayer said:
Hehe yep!!
Maybe you should invite them in next time, lock the door behind them and sacrifice a couple goats in front of them.
luv2workout
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FreakMonster said:
LMAO!!! When I got one of my new toys, I thought it was sooo awesome - I sent my JW Friend an email....it was an ad w/the pic of the new dildo/vibrator - telling her she HAD to buy one of these....I always wondered why I never got a response to that email...I didnt know it was against the religion....
Is oral sex against the religion also??? I remember saying something about that and she changed the subject VERY quickly!!
FreakMonster
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luv2workout said:
Yep,
The rules against oral sex were listed in various Watchtower articles over the years. The articles were ostensibly based on the Bible but, as we all know, the Bible doesn't say one word about oral sex. So the articles really were a matter of taking some principles and applying it to the subject using human reasoning.
As to what those reasons were, well, they were kind of bizarre. Basically, here is why they condemned oral sex:
1. It is an unnatural use of the sex organs.
2. It is something that homosexuals do.
That's basically it, other than vague implications that it's "dirty" and the like. Now, here are the problems with those 'reasons':
1. Animals perform oral sex, so it appears to be quite natural.
2. Homosexuals like to live in nice places. Is that wrong to do too? Just because homosexuals do something, it doesn't make it wrong, even if you condemn homosexuality.
Now, here's the REAL reason the WTS condemns oral sex:
They are led by aging leaders who come from a repressed background on the subject. They find the subject icky, and so they condemn it in others.
I should point out that the WTS has relaxed its rules against oral sex in recent years. It used to be quite serious, but now it's more of a 'don't ask/don't tell' situation.
FreakMonster
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Also JW's look at smurfs as "sacreligious".
I shit you not!!
Here are some more ridiculous rules:
No earrings for men.
Only one pair of earrings for the ladies.
No after school sports.
Advanced classes and gifted classes were a no-no
Sunglasses in field service.
No alcohol at weddings.
Graduation parties.
Talking on the phone with boys.
Kissing unless you are engaged.
School functions period.
Leaching off mom and dad well into your 30's was OK if you are pioneering.
No patting sisters on the back.
No skirts above the knee.
No dancing like you are at a rave.
I shit you not!!
Here are some more ridiculous rules:
No earrings for men.
Only one pair of earrings for the ladies.
No after school sports.
Advanced classes and gifted classes were a no-no
Sunglasses in field service.
No alcohol at weddings.
Graduation parties.
Talking on the phone with boys.
Kissing unless you are engaged.
School functions period.
Leaching off mom and dad well into your 30's was OK if you are pioneering.
No patting sisters on the back.
No skirts above the knee.
No dancing like you are at a rave.
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Hollywood131
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Blood
Christian's are commanded to 'abstain from blood'
Acts 15:28,29: " The holy spirit and we ourselves [the governing body of the Christian congregation] have favored adding no further burden to you, except these necessary things, to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled [or killed without draining their blood] and from fornication. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!" (There the eating of blood is equated with idolatry and fornication, things that we should not want to angage in.)
Animal flesh may be eaten, but not the blood
Gen.9:3,4:"Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you. As in the case of green vegetation, I do give it all to you. Only flesh with its soul-its blood-you must not eat."
What about blood transfusions?
Does the Bible's prohibition include human blood?
Yes, and early Christians understood it that way. Acts 15:29 says to "keep abstaining from...blood." It does not say merely to abstain from animal blood. (Compare Leviticus 17:10, which prohibited eating "any sort of blood.") Tertullian (who wrote in defense of the beliefs of early Christains) stated: "The interdict upon 'blood' we shall understand to be (an interdict) much more upon human blood."
-The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol.IV,p.86.
Is a blood transfusion really the same as eating blood?
In a hospital, when a patient cannot eat through his mouth, he is fed intraveneuosly. Now, would a person who never put blood into his mouth but who accepted blood by transfusion really be obeying the command to "keep abstaining from...blood"?(Acts 15:29) To use a comparison, consider a man who is told by the doctor that he must abstain from alcohol. Would he be obediant if he quit drinking alcohol but had it put directly into his veins?
In the case of someone who refuses blood, there are alternative treatments.
1.Saline solution
2.Ringer's solution
3.dextran
All types of surgery can be performed successfully without blood transfusions. This includes open-heart operations, brain surgery, amputation of limbs, and total removal of cancerous organs.
When there is severe blood loss, the greatest need is to restore the fluid volume. Our blood is actually over 50 percent water; then there are red and white cells and so forth. When much blood is lost, the body itself pours large reserves of blood cells into the system to and speeds up production of new ones. But fluid volume is needed. Plasma volume expanders that contain no blood can be used to fill this need. These options do not carry the risk of AIDS, hepatitis, or malaria.
Many people equate a refusal of blood as a refusal of treatment. That is not he case, as the above examples would illustrate, there are non-blood options that one can choose.
Why should we take such a position?
1. Do you love your wife (husband) enough that you would be willing to risk your life for her (him)?...
There are also men who risk their lives for their country, and they are viewed as heroes, aren't they? But there is someone who is greater than any person or thing here on earth, and that is God. Would you risk your life because of love for him and loyalty to his rulership? 2.The issue here is really loyalty to God. It is God's Word that tells us to abstain from blood.(Acts 15:28,29)'
What if a doctor says,"you will die without a blood transfusion?
'If the situation is really that serious, can the doctor gaurantee that the patient will not die if he is given blood?'
'But there is someone who can give a person life again, and that is God. Don't you agree that, when face to face with death, turning one's back on God by violating his law would be a poor decision? I truly have faith in God, do you? His Word promises a resurrection for those who put faith in his Son. Do you believe that? (John 11:25)
Christian's are commanded to 'abstain from blood'
Acts 15:28,29: " The holy spirit and we ourselves [the governing body of the Christian congregation] have favored adding no further burden to you, except these necessary things, to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled [or killed without draining their blood] and from fornication. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!" (There the eating of blood is equated with idolatry and fornication, things that we should not want to angage in.)
Animal flesh may be eaten, but not the blood
Gen.9:3,4:"Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you. As in the case of green vegetation, I do give it all to you. Only flesh with its soul-its blood-you must not eat."
What about blood transfusions?
Does the Bible's prohibition include human blood?
Yes, and early Christians understood it that way. Acts 15:29 says to "keep abstaining from...blood." It does not say merely to abstain from animal blood. (Compare Leviticus 17:10, which prohibited eating "any sort of blood.") Tertullian (who wrote in defense of the beliefs of early Christains) stated: "The interdict upon 'blood' we shall understand to be (an interdict) much more upon human blood."
-The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol.IV,p.86.
Is a blood transfusion really the same as eating blood?
In a hospital, when a patient cannot eat through his mouth, he is fed intraveneuosly. Now, would a person who never put blood into his mouth but who accepted blood by transfusion really be obeying the command to "keep abstaining from...blood"?(Acts 15:29) To use a comparison, consider a man who is told by the doctor that he must abstain from alcohol. Would he be obediant if he quit drinking alcohol but had it put directly into his veins?
In the case of someone who refuses blood, there are alternative treatments.
1.Saline solution
2.Ringer's solution
3.dextran
All types of surgery can be performed successfully without blood transfusions. This includes open-heart operations, brain surgery, amputation of limbs, and total removal of cancerous organs.
When there is severe blood loss, the greatest need is to restore the fluid volume. Our blood is actually over 50 percent water; then there are red and white cells and so forth. When much blood is lost, the body itself pours large reserves of blood cells into the system to and speeds up production of new ones. But fluid volume is needed. Plasma volume expanders that contain no blood can be used to fill this need. These options do not carry the risk of AIDS, hepatitis, or malaria.
Many people equate a refusal of blood as a refusal of treatment. That is not he case, as the above examples would illustrate, there are non-blood options that one can choose.
Why should we take such a position?
1. Do you love your wife (husband) enough that you would be willing to risk your life for her (him)?...
There are also men who risk their lives for their country, and they are viewed as heroes, aren't they? But there is someone who is greater than any person or thing here on earth, and that is God. Would you risk your life because of love for him and loyalty to his rulership? 2.The issue here is really loyalty to God. It is God's Word that tells us to abstain from blood.(Acts 15:28,29)'
What if a doctor says,"you will die without a blood transfusion?
'If the situation is really that serious, can the doctor gaurantee that the patient will not die if he is given blood?'
'But there is someone who can give a person life again, and that is God. Don't you agree that, when face to face with death, turning one's back on God by violating his law would be a poor decision? I truly have faith in God, do you? His Word promises a resurrection for those who put faith in his Son. Do you believe that? (John 11:25)
Hollywood131
New member
Why people hate Jehovah's Witnesses
The modern-day history of Jehovah's Witnesses began with the forming of a group for Bible study in Allegheny, Pennsylvania, U.S.A., in the early 1870's. At first they were known only as Bible Students, but in 1931 they adopted the Scriptural name Jehovah's Witnesses. The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, a legal religious corporation that is used by Jehovah's Witnesses, was incorporated in 1884 in accordance with the Nonprofit Corporation Law of the Commonwealth of Pennsyvania, U.S.A. Thus, by law it cannot be, and is not, a profit-making enterprise, nor do individuals make a profit through this society. The Society's charter states" "It [the Society] does not contemplate preuniary gain or profit, incidentally or otherwise, to its members, directors or officers."
Isa.43:10-12: "You are my witnesses," is the utterance of Jehovah, "even my servant whom I have chosen, in order that you may know and have faith in me, and that you may understand that I am the same One. Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none. I-I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior." "I myself have told forth and have saved and have caused [it] to be heard, when there was among you no strange [god]. So you are my witnesses, is the utterance of Jehovah, "and I am God.
Their beliefs and practices are not new but are a restoration of first-century Christianity. According to the Bible, the line of witnesses of Jehovah reaches back to faithful Abel. Hebrews 11:4-12:1 says:"By faith Abel offered God a sacrifice of greater worth than Cain
...By faith Noah, after being given divine warning of things not yet beheld, showed godly fear...By faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed in going out into a place he was destined to receive as an inheritance...By faith Moses, when grown up, refused to be called the son of the daughter of Pharaoh, choosing to be ill-treated with the people of God rather than to have the temporary enjoyment of sin...So, then, because we have so great a cloud of Witnesses surrounding us, let us also put off every weight and the sin that easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us."
With reference to Jesus Christ, the Bible states: " These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God." Of whom was he a witness? He himself said that he made his Father's name manifest. He was the foremost witness of Jehovah.
-Rev.3:14; John 17:6.
Interestingly, some of the Jews asked whether the activity of Jesus Christ represented "a new teaching." (Mark 1:27) Later, some Greeks thought the apostle Paul was introducing a "new teaching." (Acts 17:19,20) It was new to the ears of those who were hearing it, but the important thing was that it was the truth, in full harmony with God's Word.
Why are Jehovah's Witnesses persecuted and spoken against?
Jesus said: " If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because you are no part of he world, but I have chosen you out of the world, on this account the world hates you." (John 15:18,19; see also Peter 4:3,4.) The Bible shows that the whole world lies under Satan's control; he is the principal instigator of he persecution.-1 John 5:19; Rev.12:17.
Jesus told his disciples: "You will be objects of hatred by all people on account of my name."(Mark 13:13) The word "name" here means what Jesus officially is, the Messianic King. Persecution comes because Jehovah's Witnesses put his commands ahead of those of any earthly ruler.
When Jesus sent out his early disciples, he directed them to go to the homes of he people.(Matt. 10:7, 11-13)The apostle paul said regarding his ministry: " I did not hold back from telling you any of he things that were profitable nor from teaching you publicly and from house to house."-Acts 20:20,21; see also Acts 5:42.
A conference of religious leaders in Spain noted this: "Perhaps [the churches] are excessively neglectful about that which precisely constitutes the greatest preoccupation of the Witnesses-the home visit, which comes within the apostolic methodology of he primitive church. While the churches, on not a few occasions, limit themselves to constructing their temples, ringing their bells to attract the people and to preaching inside their places of worship, [the witnesses] follow the apostolic tactic of going from house to house and of taking advantage of every occasion to witness."
-El Catolicismo, Bogota, Colombia, September 14, 1975, p.14.
Jesus foretold for our day this work:"This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all nations; and then the end will come." He also instructed his followers: "Go...and make disciples of people of all the nations."-Matt.24:14;28:19.
The message that the Witnesses proclaim involves the lives of people; they want to be careful to miss no one.(Zeph.2:2,3)Their calls are motivated by love-first for God, also for their neighbor.
The modern-day history of Jehovah's Witnesses began with the forming of a group for Bible study in Allegheny, Pennsylvania, U.S.A., in the early 1870's. At first they were known only as Bible Students, but in 1931 they adopted the Scriptural name Jehovah's Witnesses. The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, a legal religious corporation that is used by Jehovah's Witnesses, was incorporated in 1884 in accordance with the Nonprofit Corporation Law of the Commonwealth of Pennsyvania, U.S.A. Thus, by law it cannot be, and is not, a profit-making enterprise, nor do individuals make a profit through this society. The Society's charter states" "It [the Society] does not contemplate preuniary gain or profit, incidentally or otherwise, to its members, directors or officers."
Isa.43:10-12: "You are my witnesses," is the utterance of Jehovah, "even my servant whom I have chosen, in order that you may know and have faith in me, and that you may understand that I am the same One. Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none. I-I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior." "I myself have told forth and have saved and have caused [it] to be heard, when there was among you no strange [god]. So you are my witnesses, is the utterance of Jehovah, "and I am God.
Their beliefs and practices are not new but are a restoration of first-century Christianity. According to the Bible, the line of witnesses of Jehovah reaches back to faithful Abel. Hebrews 11:4-12:1 says:"By faith Abel offered God a sacrifice of greater worth than Cain
...By faith Noah, after being given divine warning of things not yet beheld, showed godly fear...By faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed in going out into a place he was destined to receive as an inheritance...By faith Moses, when grown up, refused to be called the son of the daughter of Pharaoh, choosing to be ill-treated with the people of God rather than to have the temporary enjoyment of sin...So, then, because we have so great a cloud of Witnesses surrounding us, let us also put off every weight and the sin that easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us."
With reference to Jesus Christ, the Bible states: " These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God." Of whom was he a witness? He himself said that he made his Father's name manifest. He was the foremost witness of Jehovah.
-Rev.3:14; John 17:6.
Interestingly, some of the Jews asked whether the activity of Jesus Christ represented "a new teaching." (Mark 1:27) Later, some Greeks thought the apostle Paul was introducing a "new teaching." (Acts 17:19,20) It was new to the ears of those who were hearing it, but the important thing was that it was the truth, in full harmony with God's Word.
Why are Jehovah's Witnesses persecuted and spoken against?
Jesus said: " If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because you are no part of he world, but I have chosen you out of the world, on this account the world hates you." (John 15:18,19; see also Peter 4:3,4.) The Bible shows that the whole world lies under Satan's control; he is the principal instigator of he persecution.-1 John 5:19; Rev.12:17.
Jesus told his disciples: "You will be objects of hatred by all people on account of my name."(Mark 13:13) The word "name" here means what Jesus officially is, the Messianic King. Persecution comes because Jehovah's Witnesses put his commands ahead of those of any earthly ruler.
When Jesus sent out his early disciples, he directed them to go to the homes of he people.(Matt. 10:7, 11-13)The apostle paul said regarding his ministry: " I did not hold back from telling you any of he things that were profitable nor from teaching you publicly and from house to house."-Acts 20:20,21; see also Acts 5:42.
A conference of religious leaders in Spain noted this: "Perhaps [the churches] are excessively neglectful about that which precisely constitutes the greatest preoccupation of the Witnesses-the home visit, which comes within the apostolic methodology of he primitive church. While the churches, on not a few occasions, limit themselves to constructing their temples, ringing their bells to attract the people and to preaching inside their places of worship, [the witnesses] follow the apostolic tactic of going from house to house and of taking advantage of every occasion to witness."
-El Catolicismo, Bogota, Colombia, September 14, 1975, p.14.
Jesus foretold for our day this work:"This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all nations; and then the end will come." He also instructed his followers: "Go...and make disciples of people of all the nations."-Matt.24:14;28:19.
The message that the Witnesses proclaim involves the lives of people; they want to be careful to miss no one.(Zeph.2:2,3)Their calls are motivated by love-first for God, also for their neighbor.
two weeks ago a young JW couple came to my door I opened it and said hi your just in time for the big orgy come on in needless to say they left in a hurry
a buddy at work did this before a JW family showed up at his door with there little daughter they asked can we speak with you. He said sure but foirst can me and your little daughter go have some fun in the washroom LOL i know this is sick but they never came back to his place again.
a buddy at work did this before a JW family showed up at his door with there little daughter they asked can we speak with you. He said sure but foirst can me and your little daughter go have some fun in the washroom LOL i know this is sick but they never came back to his place again.
Steroid_Virgin
New member
When those mother fuckers come to the Virgin house.. I tell them once politely that Im not interested, and Im comfortable with my own beliefs.. I then say, I would appreciate if they respect my wishes and please leave without retort. If they feel the need to continue I let them know that I consider them as trespassers and I "accidently" expose my S&W .357 revolver (I have a concel carry permit, and I always wear my gun when I answer the door and Im not expecting anyone). Usually they choose to get out of dodge with out discussion.. That way I can be polite.. and stay within the law. I never get repeat offenders.
I can't say that I've ever had JWs come to my door. Thank God. But I was sucked into the Mormon religion before. Like someone said earlier I think all organized religions are brain washed. I quit going to the Mormon church and even 2 years later after I haven't been those motherfuckers still try to make occasional visits. And it fucking pisses me off to no extent. Like telemarketers they always pick the wrong times to come. If the JWs start coming by I may just to have to start shooting them one at a time. Thats fine they can believe what they want but I'm not interested so don't come knocking on my fuckin door.
Hollywood131
New member
WHAT JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES BELIEVE
Belief Scriptural Reason
Bible is God's Word and is truth 2 Tim. 3:16, 17; 2 Pet. 1:20, 21; John 17:17
Bible is more reliable than tradition Matt. 15:3; Col. 2:8
God's name is Jehovah Ps. 83:18; Isa. 26:4; 42:8, AS; Ex. 6:3
Christ is God's Son and is inferior to him Matt. 3:17; John 8:42; 14:28; 20:17;
1 Cor. 11:3; 15:28
Christ was first of God's creations Col. 1:15; Rev. 3:14
Christ died on a stake, not a cross Gal. 3:13; Acts 5:30
Christ's human life was paid as a
ransom for obedient humans Matt. 20:28; 1 Tim. 2:5, 6; 1 Pet. 2:24
Christ's one sacrifice was sufficient Rom. 6:10; Heb. 9:25-28
Christ was raised from the dead
as an immortal spirit person 1 Pet. 3:18; Rom. 6:9; Rev. 1:17, 18
Christ's presence is in spirit John 14:19; Matt. 24:3; 2 Cor. 5:16;
Ps. 110:1, 2
We are now in the 'time of the end' Matt. 24:3-14; 2 Tim. 3:1-5; Luke
17:26-30
Kingdom under Christ will rule
earth in righteousness and peace Isa. 9:6, 7; 11:1-5; Dan. 7:13, 14;
Matt. 6:10
Kingdom will bring ideal living conditions to earth Ps. 72:1-4; Rev. 7:9, 10, 13-17; 21:3, 4
Earth will never be destroyed or
depopulated Eccl. 1:4; Isa. 45:18; Ps. 78:69
God will eliminate present system
of things in the battle at
Har-Magedon Rev. 16:14, 16; Zeph. 3:8; Dan. 2:44;
Isa. 34:2; 55:10, 11
Wicked will be eternally destroyed Matt. 25:41-46; 2 Thess. 1:6-9
People God approves will receive Everlasting life
John 3:16; 10:27, 28; 17:3; Mark
10:29, 30
There is only one road to life Matt. 7:13, 14; Eph. 4:4, 5
Human death is due to Adam's sin Rom. 5:12; 6:23
The human soul ceases to exist at
death Ezek. 18:4; Eccl. 9:10; Ps. 6:5; 146:4;
John 11:11-14
Hell is mankind's common grave Job 14:13, Dy; Rev. 20:13, 14, AV
Hope for dead is resurrection 1 Cor. 15:20-22; John 5:28, 29;
11:25, 26
Adamic death will cease 1 Cor. 15:26, 54; Rev. 21:4; Isa. 25:8
Only a little flock of 144,000 go to
heaven and rule with Christ Luke 12:32; Rev. 14:1, 3; 1 Cor.
15:40-53; Rev. 5:9, 10
The 144,000 are born again as
spiritual sons of God 1 Pet. 1:23; John 3:3; Rev. 7:3, 4
New covenant is made with
spiritual Israel Jer. 31:31; Heb. 8:10-13
Christ's congregation is built upon
himself Eph. 2:20; Isa. 28:16; Matt. 21:42
Prayers are to be directed only to
Jehovah through Christ John 14:6, 13, 14; 1 Tim. 2:5
Images should not be used in
worship Ex. 20:4, 5; Lev. 26:1; 1 Cor. 10:14;
Ps. 115:4-8
Spiritism must be shunned Deut. 18:10-12; Gal. 5:19-21; Lev.19:31
Satan is invisible ruler of world 1 John 5:19; 2 Cor. 4:4; John 12:31
A Christian ought to have no part
in interfaith movements 2 Cor. 6:14-17; 11:13-15; Gal. 5:9;
Deut. 7:1-5
A Christian should keep separate
from world Jas. 4:4; 1 John 2:15; John 15:19;
17:16
Obey human laws that do not
conflict with God's laws Matt. 22:20, 21; 1 Pet. 2:12; 4:15
Taking blood into body through
mouth or veins violates God's laws Gen. 9:3, 4; Lev. 17:14; Acts 15:28, 29
Bible's laws on morals must be
obeyed 1 Cor. 6:9, 10; Heb. 13:4; 1 Tim. 3:2;
Prov. 5:1-23
Sabbath observance was given
only to Israel and ended with
Mosaic Law Deut. 5:15; Ex. 31:13; Rom. 10:4; Gal.
4:9, 10; Col. 2:16, 17
A clergy class and special titles are
improper Matt. 23:8-12; 20:25-27; Job
32: 21, 22
Man did not evolve but was
created Isa. 45:12; Gen. 1:27; Matt. 19:4
Christ set example that must be
followed in serving God 1 Pet. 2:21; Heb. 10:7; John 4:34;
6:38
Baptism by complete immersion
symbolizes dedication Mark 1:9, 10; John 3:23; Acts 19:4, 5
Christians gladly give public
testimony to Scriptural truth Rom. 10:10; Heb. 13:15; Isa.
43:10-12
Belief Scriptural Reason
Bible is God's Word and is truth 2 Tim. 3:16, 17; 2 Pet. 1:20, 21; John 17:17
Bible is more reliable than tradition Matt. 15:3; Col. 2:8
God's name is Jehovah Ps. 83:18; Isa. 26:4; 42:8, AS; Ex. 6:3
Christ is God's Son and is inferior to him Matt. 3:17; John 8:42; 14:28; 20:17;
1 Cor. 11:3; 15:28
Christ was first of God's creations Col. 1:15; Rev. 3:14
Christ died on a stake, not a cross Gal. 3:13; Acts 5:30
Christ's human life was paid as a
ransom for obedient humans Matt. 20:28; 1 Tim. 2:5, 6; 1 Pet. 2:24
Christ's one sacrifice was sufficient Rom. 6:10; Heb. 9:25-28
Christ was raised from the dead
as an immortal spirit person 1 Pet. 3:18; Rom. 6:9; Rev. 1:17, 18
Christ's presence is in spirit John 14:19; Matt. 24:3; 2 Cor. 5:16;
Ps. 110:1, 2
We are now in the 'time of the end' Matt. 24:3-14; 2 Tim. 3:1-5; Luke
17:26-30
Kingdom under Christ will rule
earth in righteousness and peace Isa. 9:6, 7; 11:1-5; Dan. 7:13, 14;
Matt. 6:10
Kingdom will bring ideal living conditions to earth Ps. 72:1-4; Rev. 7:9, 10, 13-17; 21:3, 4
Earth will never be destroyed or
depopulated Eccl. 1:4; Isa. 45:18; Ps. 78:69
God will eliminate present system
of things in the battle at
Har-Magedon Rev. 16:14, 16; Zeph. 3:8; Dan. 2:44;
Isa. 34:2; 55:10, 11
Wicked will be eternally destroyed Matt. 25:41-46; 2 Thess. 1:6-9
People God approves will receive Everlasting life
John 3:16; 10:27, 28; 17:3; Mark
10:29, 30
There is only one road to life Matt. 7:13, 14; Eph. 4:4, 5
Human death is due to Adam's sin Rom. 5:12; 6:23
The human soul ceases to exist at
death Ezek. 18:4; Eccl. 9:10; Ps. 6:5; 146:4;
John 11:11-14
Hell is mankind's common grave Job 14:13, Dy; Rev. 20:13, 14, AV
Hope for dead is resurrection 1 Cor. 15:20-22; John 5:28, 29;
11:25, 26
Adamic death will cease 1 Cor. 15:26, 54; Rev. 21:4; Isa. 25:8
Only a little flock of 144,000 go to
heaven and rule with Christ Luke 12:32; Rev. 14:1, 3; 1 Cor.
15:40-53; Rev. 5:9, 10
The 144,000 are born again as
spiritual sons of God 1 Pet. 1:23; John 3:3; Rev. 7:3, 4
New covenant is made with
spiritual Israel Jer. 31:31; Heb. 8:10-13
Christ's congregation is built upon
himself Eph. 2:20; Isa. 28:16; Matt. 21:42
Prayers are to be directed only to
Jehovah through Christ John 14:6, 13, 14; 1 Tim. 2:5
Images should not be used in
worship Ex. 20:4, 5; Lev. 26:1; 1 Cor. 10:14;
Ps. 115:4-8
Spiritism must be shunned Deut. 18:10-12; Gal. 5:19-21; Lev.19:31
Satan is invisible ruler of world 1 John 5:19; 2 Cor. 4:4; John 12:31
A Christian ought to have no part
in interfaith movements 2 Cor. 6:14-17; 11:13-15; Gal. 5:9;
Deut. 7:1-5
A Christian should keep separate
from world Jas. 4:4; 1 John 2:15; John 15:19;
17:16
Obey human laws that do not
conflict with God's laws Matt. 22:20, 21; 1 Pet. 2:12; 4:15
Taking blood into body through
mouth or veins violates God's laws Gen. 9:3, 4; Lev. 17:14; Acts 15:28, 29
Bible's laws on morals must be
obeyed 1 Cor. 6:9, 10; Heb. 13:4; 1 Tim. 3:2;
Prov. 5:1-23
Sabbath observance was given
only to Israel and ended with
Mosaic Law Deut. 5:15; Ex. 31:13; Rom. 10:4; Gal.
4:9, 10; Col. 2:16, 17
A clergy class and special titles are
improper Matt. 23:8-12; 20:25-27; Job
32: 21, 22
Man did not evolve but was
created Isa. 45:12; Gen. 1:27; Matt. 19:4
Christ set example that must be
followed in serving God 1 Pet. 2:21; Heb. 10:7; John 4:34;
6:38
Baptism by complete immersion
symbolizes dedication Mark 1:9, 10; John 3:23; Acts 19:4, 5
Christians gladly give public
testimony to Scriptural truth Rom. 10:10; Heb. 13:15; Isa.
43:10-12
I do not understand their beliefs...but I do listen to them when they come knocking. My doberman will not let them in the house...or even near it...but I do go out into the driveway and listen.
I remember talking to a friend of mine, who was a minister. He said that a JW walked into his office to talk with him about his beliefs. They spent about an hour debating their beliefs among one another till they became very heated. The JW looked at my friend, the minister, and said..."if you believe so much what you do, why are you not out spreading the word...like I am?".
You have to respect that. The believe so much that they will put up with being put down, laughed at, etc...just to spread their word.
I remember a friend in school who was in a bad car wreck who was a JW. Her parents refused for her to have a blood transfusion. That was hard on a lot us...thank God she came out alive.
B True
I remember talking to a friend of mine, who was a minister. He said that a JW walked into his office to talk with him about his beliefs. They spent about an hour debating their beliefs among one another till they became very heated. The JW looked at my friend, the minister, and said..."if you believe so much what you do, why are you not out spreading the word...like I am?".
You have to respect that. The believe so much that they will put up with being put down, laughed at, etc...just to spread their word.
I remember a friend in school who was in a bad car wreck who was a JW. Her parents refused for her to have a blood transfusion. That was hard on a lot us...thank God she came out alive.
B True
Funny I was just talking about this today. I have family in Rochester that are JW, my mom was telling me way back when they first got involved she told her cousin "that's great for you but when you come to my house leave it at home". In Virginia, it's Mormons who are coming door to door. Personally I find it a complete invasion, I feel like I'm being put in an awkward position, when I say no thank you, I'm not interested, because what is it I'm not interested in God? I consider myself quite spiritual, however, when I want counseling I will seek it. I hate this fucking door to door sales of religion. I think there is a less intrusive way to spread the word. Once a JW came to my door and I looked out the peephole and said no thanks, I'm not interested and the woman in an extremely caustic voice said "May I ask EXACTLY what it is you're not interested in?" I said "Are you Jehovah Witness?" She said "Yes" , I replied "Like I said I'm not interested" Another time my friend and I were getting out the car and they began walking up to us, asking if they could come in and talk to us, we said "sure", as we pulled out the twelve pack of Heineken, and offered them a bottle.
Hollywood131
New member
Many have commented that they dislike the door to door preaching work carried on by the Witnesses. I feel this is generally due to a lack of understanding as to why they do this sort of preaching work. I can relate to this somewhat, as previously I did not understand why they do this either.
When Jesus sent out his early disciples, he directed them to go to the homes of he people.(Matt. 10:7, 11-13)The apostle paul said regarding his ministry: " I did not hold back from telling you any of he things that were profitable nor from teaching you publicly and from house to house."-Acts 20:20,21; see also Acts 5:42.
Jesus foretold for our day this work:"This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all nations; and then the end will come." He also instructed his followers: "Go...and make disciples of people of all the nations."-Matt.24:14;28:19.
The message that the Witnesses proclaim involves the lives of people; they want to be careful to miss no one.(Zeph.2:2,3)Their calls are motivated by love-first for God, also for their neighbor.
As the above scriptures will attest, their door to door preaching work emulates the example and directive given by Jesus Christ. They preach the good news of God's Kingdom, so that people may choose to depart from their sinful ways and put faith in Jesus, so that they might have the opportunity for everlasting life.
Religion can be a very touchy subject for many people. Many individuals feel it an insult to their own views when someone attempts to provide a basis for a contrary belief. However, we should not disregard contrary beliefs merely because they differ from our own or from popular opinion. We should investigate to determine which beliefs truly have merit according to the Bible. For example, often people will accept their parents or relatives religious ideologies by default, but never investigate if they have scriptural merit. I know of many people who take a religion, but know very little about it or if it coincides with Bible teaching, yet will defend their beliefs no matter what.
Many might feel that the Witnesses are pushing their religion on others. This is not their objectice at all. They are merely trying to offer what they believe to be accurate Biblical information in an attempt to benefit others. People can choose to accept their message or reject it. I feel the important thing is for people to investigate their beliefs. Rather than simply accepting a teaching as fact because it is prevelant or widely accepted, probe to see if it has merit according to the scriptures. If we do not put forth such effort, how can we know if what we believe is correct?
When Jesus sent out his early disciples, he directed them to go to the homes of he people.(Matt. 10:7, 11-13)The apostle paul said regarding his ministry: " I did not hold back from telling you any of he things that were profitable nor from teaching you publicly and from house to house."-Acts 20:20,21; see also Acts 5:42.
Jesus foretold for our day this work:"This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all nations; and then the end will come." He also instructed his followers: "Go...and make disciples of people of all the nations."-Matt.24:14;28:19.
The message that the Witnesses proclaim involves the lives of people; they want to be careful to miss no one.(Zeph.2:2,3)Their calls are motivated by love-first for God, also for their neighbor.
As the above scriptures will attest, their door to door preaching work emulates the example and directive given by Jesus Christ. They preach the good news of God's Kingdom, so that people may choose to depart from their sinful ways and put faith in Jesus, so that they might have the opportunity for everlasting life.
Religion can be a very touchy subject for many people. Many individuals feel it an insult to their own views when someone attempts to provide a basis for a contrary belief. However, we should not disregard contrary beliefs merely because they differ from our own or from popular opinion. We should investigate to determine which beliefs truly have merit according to the Bible. For example, often people will accept their parents or relatives religious ideologies by default, but never investigate if they have scriptural merit. I know of many people who take a religion, but know very little about it or if it coincides with Bible teaching, yet will defend their beliefs no matter what.
Many might feel that the Witnesses are pushing their religion on others. This is not their objectice at all. They are merely trying to offer what they believe to be accurate Biblical information in an attempt to benefit others. People can choose to accept their message or reject it. I feel the important thing is for people to investigate their beliefs. Rather than simply accepting a teaching as fact because it is prevelant or widely accepted, probe to see if it has merit according to the scriptures. If we do not put forth such effort, how can we know if what we believe is correct?
FreakMonster
New member
Hollywood131 said:
How can everything they preach be accurate biblical information?
Almost everything they teach (Armageddon/607 BCE) can be easily disproven.
Read the book Crisis of Conscience to get a better understanding of what the JW religion is really about.
Bottom line is that the JW religion is a cult.
Hollywood131
New member
Cult??
Is this religious group a cult or sect as many contend?
Some define sect to mean a group that has broken away from an established
religion. Others apply the term to a group that follows a particular human leader
or teacher. The term is usually used in a derogatory way. Jehovah's Witnesses
are not an offshoot of some church but include persons from all walks of life and
from many religious backgrounds. They do not look to any human, but rather to
Jesus Christ, as their leader.
A cult is a religion that is said to be unorthodox or that emphasizes devotion
according to prescribed ritual. Many cults follow a living human leader, and often
their adherents live in groups apart from the rest of society. The standard for
what is orthodox, however, should be God's Word, and Jehovah's Witnesses
striclty adhere to the Bible. Their worship is a way of life, not a ritual devotion.
They neither follow a human nor isolate themselves from the rest of society.
They live and work in the midst of other people.
Is this religious group a cult or sect as many contend?
Some define sect to mean a group that has broken away from an established
religion. Others apply the term to a group that follows a particular human leader
or teacher. The term is usually used in a derogatory way. Jehovah's Witnesses
are not an offshoot of some church but include persons from all walks of life and
from many religious backgrounds. They do not look to any human, but rather to
Jesus Christ, as their leader.
A cult is a religion that is said to be unorthodox or that emphasizes devotion
according to prescribed ritual. Many cults follow a living human leader, and often
their adherents live in groups apart from the rest of society. The standard for
what is orthodox, however, should be God's Word, and Jehovah's Witnesses
striclty adhere to the Bible. Their worship is a way of life, not a ritual devotion.
They neither follow a human nor isolate themselves from the rest of society.
They live and work in the midst of other people.
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