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Dude where are your pics from the Vegas?Wulfgar said:
Jay Cutler Is Mr Olympia!!!
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theprofessor
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...i thought dexter looked best... maybe not his best... but at that show...
...ronnie did lose from the back... and his gut... otherwise ...he had some poses better than jay...
...ronnie did lose from the back... and his gut... otherwise ...he had some poses better than jay...
silverbackn
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With the things they go through to get ready for a show they will get respect from anyone who has ever stepped on stage. If you haven't done a show you would never understand. I thought his routine was a bit odd, but focusing on that it is missing the point entirely. That's like saying you didn't like the superbowl becuase the half time show wasn't good. That's not what it's about.Spanky11 said:
jpt
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i love ronnie....have most of his vids...imo no one works harder then him in the gym. his abs looked i think the worst i have ever seen un flexed....way too much gh!
i also really like jay...happy he won finally. guy lives and breathes training 24 hours a day....he is no where near as vascular as ronnie but i actually think he out massed him...which is pretty tough to do.
victor martinez...nothing bad i can say about him...his shape is amazing!
dexter....same as victor ....comes in to these olypmia with paper thin skin...conditioning is insane! it's a shame he prob will never have the mass that these judges are looking for...
i also really like jay...happy he won finally. guy lives and breathes training 24 hours a day....he is no where near as vascular as ronnie but i actually think he out massed him...which is pretty tough to do.
victor martinez...nothing bad i can say about him...his shape is amazing!
dexter....same as victor ....comes in to these olypmia with paper thin skin...conditioning is insane! it's a shame he prob will never have the mass that these judges are looking for...
Bikini Mod
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silverbackn said:
Agreed.
Having said that...
I havent witnessed any pro bbing as I have been away from it for a few years and when I clicked on the links I was at first shocked then sort of bored. I know the energy is very different when you are actually in the audience but as with all pro sports my thing is, if it is my friend or family competing (whether bbing/baseball/or flowershow regardless) I am hooting and hollering cheering my friend/family on. But if they are pros I dont have the same interest. Since I had the experience to travel about somewhat in the pro world through promotions and such I saw a side to the "sport" that few see and it REALLY turned me off, coupled with growing and changing self-awareness brought on by life experience.
As I look at these men and women I admire their tenacity to attain the goals that they set out to achieve through unbelievable work and tremendous sacrifice. However, I am very saddened that it is SUCH a sideshow. Just a small example of what I am talking about: how can these men/women possibly function on a daily basis expecting their hearts to successfully pump the blood necessary to support such gargantuan mass? They realize the hazards so I am not passing judgement, only expressing my shock and disbelief that one would be THAT driven. <----- suppose this is the very reason that of the masses that attempt to achieve such status only a minute handfull actually reach the goal they set before themselves. And this holds true with all extremes be it writing/acting/modeling/doctor/lawyer/etc. Many are good and even exceptional but VERY FEW actually become "the best".
But we are talking about a pursuit that is very near and dear to many of us here: the "sport" of competitive bbin/fitness/figure.
Dont really know what I am trying to say actually, just expressing my observations.
*steps off soapbox*
EF's Andy Rooney is done. LOL
Sassy69
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It is exciting to get into it, but after you've seen many shows it gets kinda boring. Then you see the inconsistency in the judging or change in quality of competitors (or expectation of the quality of the competitors) and you can identify the trends that more or less make you feel like the integrity and the interest of the sport itself is waning. That is very frustrating. I am less interested in the pro level these days - I like to see what the up & coming pros are doing to shake things up tho as we've had the same top 5 people in there for years. But for me to see guys like Victor, Toney Freeman & last yr's NPC Nat's overall, Bill Wilmore up there is pretty damn cool. The women - there aren't any newcomers recently and the womens' category has been goign thru some change the last few yrs as well. Of all I'm happy to see the ladies like Betty Pariso showing that the older ladies are still bringing it.
a creed
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Sassy69 said:
props to you and all the women in BB and fitness competitions.
I have always worked out with Male trainers, but I needed a change of pace this time around, so I now train with my Friend's sister.........
http://www.rhondafinlayson.com/
Blame Lestat tossing all those trashy beach ho's at youWulfgar said:She ditched me for some other Juicer
silverbackn
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Speakinf of Toney Freeman, I am officially a fan. From everything to how he handled himself at the press conference to how he looked on-stage. I love his physique. He's a tall dude with crazy quad sweep and great lines. He will do very well as a pro. To finish top 10 in the Olympia in his first outing speaks volumes.Sassy69 said:
VeteranNewbie88
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I was surprised Jay didn't thank his wife during his acceptance speech...shes always helping him out in all his videos....the only Hummer he'll be getting anytime soon is the one he's probably sleeping in outside in his driveway....
silverbackn
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LMAO! My boy and I looked at each other during the speech in disbelief that he never thanked his wife. I don't know what the hell he was doing up there!!VeteranNewbie88 said:
stosstruppe
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Smurfy said:
Same.
Gunters conditioning was much better last year then this year. I was kinda disappointed he is a fav or mine though. Maybe all the beer he has to drink for beerfest affected him.
silverbackn
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I think you're right, I'm sure he was totally overwhelmed. He handled it well, very classy. I am a much bigger Cutler fan that I used to be. Class act.Wulfgar said:
DieselGunz
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anyone have the vid of jay posing?
exoslimjim
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"milo hobgoblin
Pro bodybuilding is a genetic competition between receptor sites and financial ability to pay for GH and steroids."
and that explains y lardbutts use the same excuse
I think in ways, aas, slin, igf, and i guess mgf now level the field so genetics is not so much a limiting, or constraining factor. BB is a grueling lifestyle and an even more difficult and competitive career, if it was all about drugs, there would be plenty more pros out there.
Too many people assume that these guys prob take 5grams a week. WIth their size it may be true, but how many other people take that much and still look like poop....
Everyone asks these guys "wats the secret?"
Maybe there isnt one, they just happen to work harder, and are more dedicated than the rest. Too many wannnabes out in the real world. These are the same people who disrespect others to add to their overinflated egos.
If u notice both jay, and coleman never said being better than the other, but stated that they wanted to be the best they could be. to hear them say that is quite a humbling experience.
Pro bodybuilding is a genetic competition between receptor sites and financial ability to pay for GH and steroids."
and that explains y lardbutts use the same excuse
I think in ways, aas, slin, igf, and i guess mgf now level the field so genetics is not so much a limiting, or constraining factor. BB is a grueling lifestyle and an even more difficult and competitive career, if it was all about drugs, there would be plenty more pros out there.
Too many people assume that these guys prob take 5grams a week. WIth their size it may be true, but how many other people take that much and still look like poop....
Everyone asks these guys "wats the secret?"
Maybe there isnt one, they just happen to work harder, and are more dedicated than the rest. Too many wannnabes out in the real world. These are the same people who disrespect others to add to their overinflated egos.
If u notice both jay, and coleman never said being better than the other, but stated that they wanted to be the best they could be. to hear them say that is quite a humbling experience.
Johnny Cakes
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who cares...
bran987
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actually I believe the # of pros is fixed, so there wouldn't be more would there? they'd just be bigger.exoslimjim said:
and I've seen them workout. some of them have controlled systematic defined repetitions and others are just throwing that shit around and who is pro is determined mostly by genetics + diet which is determined by who can afford the best pre-contest dietician and who can actually stick to a diet. being able to afford the roids is a given. the working out part is a joke, total randomness. the only consistency is that they all go to failure for an hour or two per day. we could all do that. many of us do.
IMO the only differentiating factor is consistency day in and day out, sticking to it all. cheat even a little and you'll be kicked out of the pros. in that way it's even harder than other pro sports. it's discipline + genetics, not some sort of working out harder in the gym, lol.
Sassy69
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DieselGunz said:
Thx to nsashbl01:
Jay's routine again. etter clip http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9026751676325114320&q=JAY+CUTLER&hl=en
Jay's prejudging.. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4774857247242242642&q=JAY+CUTLER&hl=en
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4486184109773785395&q=JAY+CUTLER&hl=en
This one is long http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6967646646357324618&q=JAY+CUTLER&hl=en
exoslimjim
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thats wat i mean bran, but i think everyone pretty much uses genetics as an excuse. if anyone saw nassar back in his day, it did not look like we would ever become a BB, even dorian. I'd hate to tell them that all their hard work and dedication was not the reason for there sucess. In a way yes, genetics counts, but its more of a supplement to good dieting and hard work (and good old M1T 
seriously tho, i think pros do train the hardest, and thats y they are the best in the sport. Training the hardest doesnt mean just going to failure or "throwing around " weights, it also means dedication, sumthin many of us lack. also, training beyond failure is more of a personal judgement... many people think they do
and no, the # of pros is not fixed
the main point i want to get at is pro BB work harder then everyone else in the BB community. If they didn't then they wouldnt be pros. Genetics is a factor, but not the only one, and yet everyone uses it as an excuse.
I'd like anyone who posts up crap about BB or how they merely have good genetics to say it to a BB's face. Y do u have to hide behind a computer screen?
seriously tho, i think pros do train the hardest, and thats y they are the best in the sport. Training the hardest doesnt mean just going to failure or "throwing around " weights, it also means dedication, sumthin many of us lack. also, training beyond failure is more of a personal judgement... many people think they do
and no, the # of pros is not fixed
the main point i want to get at is pro BB work harder then everyone else in the BB community. If they didn't then they wouldnt be pros. Genetics is a factor, but not the only one, and yet everyone uses it as an excuse.
I'd like anyone who posts up crap about BB or how they merely have good genetics to say it to a BB's face. Y do u have to hide behind a computer screen?
silverbackn
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Everyone on the Olympia stage is in the top .0001% of genetics in the world. That's like saying that anyone can be an olympic sprinter if they run hard enough. That's ridiculous. It is a combination of genetics, drugs, and extreme dedication in and out of the gym. You can take a guy with even above average genetics and put them on all the drugs in the world, have them train perfectly, and eat perfectly and they will never touch a pro stage. I'm not saying they don't kill themselves in the gym and out, I'm saying that without the right genetics none of that matters.exoslimjim said:thats wat i mean bran, but i think everyone pretty much uses genetics as an excuse. if anyone saw nassar back in his day, it did not look like we would ever become a BB, even dorian. I'd hate to tell them that all their hard work and dedication was not the reason for there sucess. In a way yes, genetics counts, but its more of a supplement to good dieting and hard work (and good old M1T
seriously tho, i think pros do train the hardest, and thats y they are the best in the sport. Training the hardest doesnt mean just going to failure or "throwing around " weights, it also means dedication, sumthin many of us lack. also, training beyond failure is more of a personal judgement... many people think they do
and no, the # of pros is not fixed
the main point i want to get at is pro BB work harder then everyone else in the BB community. If they didn't then they wouldnt be pros. Genetics is a factor, but not the only one, and yet everyone uses it as an excuse.
I'd like anyone who posts up crap about BB or how they merely have good genetics to say it to a BB's face. Y do u have to hide behind a computer screen?
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this is what i hate about bb'ing.exoslimjim said:
it always comes down to this.
"he'd beat your ass"
you could say the same thing about more less any athlete
TO for example
he could beat the majority of his detractors ass
same with tyson
but what does this prove?
nothing
sassy good links thanks
silverbackn
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You're absolutely right. My respect for elite competitive athletes is their mental tenacity, not if they could kick my ass or not. Could I kick my bosses ass? Yes, but I still respect him. That's a pretty caveman way of looking at life. I of course don't like it when athletes are discredited and said to be lazy by someone who has no idea how much goes into it. You can be a baseball player and be lazy (I played in college, lots of those dudes were garbage), but being a competitive bodybuilder and being lazy are polar opposites. I will end with this, Mike Tyson doesn't want a piece of this : )Ludendorf said:
exoslimjim
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my point is that if you're going to insult somebody, be ready to defend urself first. didn't we learn not to be physical back in gradeschool?
On these online forums, there is no distinction between whos who. You give BBers no oppurtunity to answer back. so don't say it on here, say it to them
and those who do are just plain stupid and cowardly.
im pretty sure u guys know exactly wat i mean
Y does everyone say this of all BBs?
"Everyone on the Olympia stage is in the top .0001% of genetics in the world."
and in particular, only say it after they turn pro? look at pics of BB in their teens or even a few who didnt start until late 20s.... they looked just like the average joe. Priest, and a few are an exception tho
Saying that genetics is a factor is totally subjective. Unless u can prove dorian had some genes that allow him to build super uber muscles, then u have nothing to say about genetics. and i dont think any one particular person has had their genome sequenced yet
On these online forums, there is no distinction between whos who. You give BBers no oppurtunity to answer back. so don't say it on here, say it to them
and those who do are just plain stupid and cowardly.
im pretty sure u guys know exactly wat i mean
Y does everyone say this of all BBs?
"Everyone on the Olympia stage is in the top .0001% of genetics in the world."
and in particular, only say it after they turn pro? look at pics of BB in their teens or even a few who didnt start until late 20s.... they looked just like the average joe. Priest, and a few are an exception tho
Saying that genetics is a factor is totally subjective. Unless u can prove dorian had some genes that allow him to build super uber muscles, then u have nothing to say about genetics. and i dont think any one particular person has had their genome sequenced yet
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well, the same could be said about any top performing athleteexoslimjim said:
nfl, mlb, nba, etc are the .0001% who had the skill combined with genetics required in order to make it
silverbackn
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With all due respect, you're way off. Genetics don't just determine muscle growth, but also shape, proportion, symmetry, etc. Look at a guy like Darrem Charles and then look at Markus Ruhl, they could train exactly the same but would never look anything alike because their structures are different. Genetics aren't subjective, do you not know anything about phsyiology?exoslimjim said:
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