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thebabydoc
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Yeah, their beliefs are a bit strange but at least get it right if you want to be intolerant- It's Jehova's witness, as in a witness of your lord, Jehova (Jesus)
sicklydiesel
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thebabydoc said:
can you elaborate on how their beliefs are a bit strange?...guarantee you know nothing about the religion.
Juice Moose
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Well I dont claim to know a damn thing about their religion, but I did watch a woman die because her husband informed the trauma staff that she could not have a blood transfusion, I think that is a little extreme if not strange.
sicklydiesel said:
I am quite sure thebabydoc is well informed. As am I, about these cult freaks. If he does not respond I will be only too happy to post some of the tenets of the JW belief system so that the others may see the oddity that these people call a religion.
Are you JW?
Imnotdutch
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WizKid25 said:
Why do you think that they are morons?
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t3c
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hmm...they don't come around here anymore...i haven't seen them in 2 years or so
Imnotdutch
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havoc said:
I knew there would be a good reason for it!!
CYBERNIGG
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sicklydiesel said:
Their beliefs are strange. My wife was a Jehovah's's witness. She has talked to me about their beliefs. They are completely different from any religion.
She isn't going anymore. After long talks about it she finally what I like to say( came around ) and saw that her church was wack. Not to put down any religion but I think their beliefs are odd and now my wife sees it the same.
I'll give you an idea about some fucked up things they do.
1. They ban you from church if you date someone outside of it. When band nobody from the church is allowed to talk to you.
2. If they can't get you to join, they won't have anything to do with you.
3. They say there is no heaven and hell. Then they talk about the chosen number of people that Jehovah will take to a greater place.
What is this greater place called then. They have no answer.
4. Their Church's have only a front door and back door. They have no windows in their church. What are they hidding?
Its not a religion its a cult.
havoc
Shaolin Ninja
It is basically a cult with intention to Brainwash and get as much cash out of you that it can. Common Sense and an IQ of 4 should let anyone see that this JW business is pure crap. What is sad is this: There are many who are mentally trapped into this garbage and there children will be brought up the same way, with little hope to see the truth. peace
Fast Twitch Fiber
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When I was in Jr. High School we had our academic awards ceremony in a Methodist church across the street from the school. This one girl who was a Jehovas Witness won a bunch of awards but her parents wouldn't let her go to the awards ceremony because the Methodist chuch was evil or something.... I think they're freaks.
XBiker
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sicklydiesel
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CYBERNIGG said:
1,) they dont ban you from the church if u date someone outside the religion. If you have sex before your married (which is called fornication) , you will be "disfellowshipped" for a certain time frame where noone is supposed to asscociate with you until you are forgiven. which isnt that long of a time anyway.
2.) there are snobs in every religion, so u cant blame that on them, i know JW;s that are the most friendly people i ever met to other non-jw;s.
3.) they dont believe in hell, but they believe in heaven. and they believe that 144,000 chosen people (the annointed) are the ones that go there.
4.) the few times i went to a jw church they had windows everywhere..so i dont know what the hell your talking about, if you happen so see one church without windows that doesnt mean they all dont have them.
Money hungry?? wtf?...if u have ever been to one of there churches you will see that they dont have little collection plates passed around, they have donation boxes that people can make small donations for all the literature, bibles , books, you can just walk into the room and take for free.So you basically all proved my point about knowing jack shit.
most of there beliefs are the same at other christians...(they are christians if u dont not know that)...they believe in god and jesus and all the apostles and what not. the only dont celebrate pagan holidays , and dont salute the flag because that is idolism in there eyes.
CYBERNIGG
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sicklydiesel said:
I have been to 2 jw churchs- no windows.
My wife was banned because she was DATING me
Her family wasn't supposed to talk to her after she was banned
They wouldn't let her go back until after we got married.
They don't celebrate shit. No birthdays, or any holidays(religious or not)
I don't know about being snobs I never said they were.
They believe in God but they don't believe that jesus exsist yet.
If you need to go door to door to get people to join your church then you must be doing something wrong.
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distanced
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"They are Christians"
hahahahahahahaha
Or not. I love how the watchtower has been edited so many times for predicting false proficies of the future. The Bible says that any man who adds to the Bible will be burned in the lake of fire. The JWs did that.
And would please stop coming over while I'm eating!
hahahahahahahaha
Or not. I love how the watchtower has been edited so many times for predicting false proficies of the future. The Bible says that any man who adds to the Bible will be burned in the lake of fire. The JWs did that.
And would please stop coming over while I'm eating!
fogg88
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Just wanted to add my two-cents' worth...
When I was growing up, my mother was Lutheran and my father was Episcopal (both non-practicing, so to speak). When we moved out to Arizona, we eventually got a visit from the JW's, and my mom decided to check out their church. We went for a few years, until she finally got tired of their pressure to do the door-to-door thing. Other than that though, their services were totally fine. As a kid, I found them even more enjoyable than the regular church services I was dragged to when the grandparents were in town. The JW service would start with a song, then a prayer, then pretty much an hour of bible-study, followed by another prayer, and that was it. None of the silly rituals that I had to sit through in the other religions' services.
Like SicklyDiesel said, there is no demands for money. Just a collection box at the back of the church (Kingdom Hall). In fact, the only real peer-pressure there is to do the door-to-door thing.
As far as the door-to-door thing goes, sure they want people to join their church, but it's more about just spreading the message of their religion. Look at Mormons... they do it also.
I'm not sure where Cybernigg got the info on their views on Jesus. Sounds more like Judaism. JW's do believe that Jesus existed. They just don't believe that he was crucified on a cross. ...and that whole thing is just semantics anyway. They believe a particular interpretation of the bible that says that Jesus was bound to a stake (just one vertical pole, not two perpendicular poles like a cross), the same way as all the other criminals, etc..
...anyway, I'm not JW now. I believe in God and Jesus, but I don't need any sort of organized religion in order to have a relationship with them.
When I was growing up, my mother was Lutheran and my father was Episcopal (both non-practicing, so to speak). When we moved out to Arizona, we eventually got a visit from the JW's, and my mom decided to check out their church. We went for a few years, until she finally got tired of their pressure to do the door-to-door thing. Other than that though, their services were totally fine. As a kid, I found them even more enjoyable than the regular church services I was dragged to when the grandparents were in town. The JW service would start with a song, then a prayer, then pretty much an hour of bible-study, followed by another prayer, and that was it. None of the silly rituals that I had to sit through in the other religions' services.
Like SicklyDiesel said, there is no demands for money. Just a collection box at the back of the church (Kingdom Hall). In fact, the only real peer-pressure there is to do the door-to-door thing.
As far as the door-to-door thing goes, sure they want people to join their church, but it's more about just spreading the message of their religion. Look at Mormons... they do it also.
I'm not sure where Cybernigg got the info on their views on Jesus. Sounds more like Judaism. JW's do believe that Jesus existed. They just don't believe that he was crucified on a cross. ...and that whole thing is just semantics anyway. They believe a particular interpretation of the bible that says that Jesus was bound to a stake (just one vertical pole, not two perpendicular poles like a cross), the same way as all the other criminals, etc..
...anyway, I'm not JW now. I believe in God and Jesus, but I don't need any sort of organized religion in order to have a relationship with them.
CYBERNIGG
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fogg88 said:
I am only saying what I was told by my wife, her family, and her friends. All JW and that is what they told me.
I honestly don't give a fuck what you are. As long as you understand that I have my beliefs and I can't be changed. The main thing that I don't like about JW is the door to door shit.
In the end I agree with you. I don't see the need of organized religion.
distanced
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It must really suck to be a JW knowing every day that of the Billions of people that have lived since the begining of time, only 144,000 of those Billions are going to get to heaven. People of 100+ years ago were alot less corupt and led better lives then the people of today so all of them are screwed.
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BronzedGoddess
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I guess, I'll jump in here with my .02. My aunt, uncle and cousins are JW's. I thought they were wierdos when I was growing up because that's what EVERYONE else in my family said; however once I took the time to ask them about their religion I realized that they are not wierd just devoted. The are not hurting anyone. I'm not a JW and the speak to me all the time.
They don't believe in Hell. The believe everyone (except for the wicked) will get a second chance to be saved, and live on earth in Paradise. 144,000 will go to Heaven. They believe blood is sacred that's why they are against blood transfusions. They don't believe in the government or the military. They believe in being lawful, but will go to jail before they would go to war. They only believe in divorce when the wife or husband cheats, but you can get legally seperated.
It's not the religion for me, but they (my aunt, uncle, and cousin) are happy and the are good people so I see nothing wrong with it. Oh and they "disassociated" their son because he was living with a woman and had kids but they were not married. I don't agree with that but it's their choice.
They don't believe in Hell. The believe everyone (except for the wicked) will get a second chance to be saved, and live on earth in Paradise. 144,000 will go to Heaven. They believe blood is sacred that's why they are against blood transfusions. They don't believe in the government or the military. They believe in being lawful, but will go to jail before they would go to war. They only believe in divorce when the wife or husband cheats, but you can get legally seperated.
It's not the religion for me, but they (my aunt, uncle, and cousin) are happy and the are good people so I see nothing wrong with it. Oh and they "disassociated" their son because he was living with a woman and had kids but they were not married. I don't agree with that but it's their choice.
fogg88
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distanced said:
You've got the right info about their belief, but are kind of taking it out of context.
They do believe that only 144,000 people will go to heaven. They also believe though, that the rest of the people who were good will continue to live on a paradise earth, after "wickedness" has been wiped clean from it. So it's not like the rest of the people are completely screwed in their eyes.
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BronzedGoddess
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THEY BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE SUPPOSE TO WITNESS ABOUT GOD'S LOVE AND PLAN FOR HIS CHILDREN. AND I'M PRETTY SURE THE BIBLE SAYS THIS AS WELL.CYBERNIGG said:
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BronzedGoddess
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CYBERNIGG said:
sorry for the caps, wasn't trying to yell at you just trying seperate my words from yours.
Everything I stated is what my family told me.
And who cares what I think I'm just another sinner, just adding to the conversation.
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Warik
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"But in the Latin alphabet... Jehova begins with an "I."
"'J'... *doh!*"
"'J'... *doh!*"
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Warik
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Ah so we have a Mr. SmartyPants on this thread. See if you know where this one is from:
"INDY COVAYAHAT!!! COVAYAHAT!"
"INDY COVAYAHAT!!! COVAYAHAT!"
sicklydiesel
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Bronzed godess explained it 10x better than me.....and the "they dont believe in jesus" couldnt be more wrong. if the "jw's" you know told you that they must not be paying attention very well when they attend.
thebabydoc
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Most of what's been said here has been my understanding.
Being a surgeon, the main problem I have is with the blood thing (I transfused a 17 year-old, unmarried girl with a ruptured ectopic pregnancy 3 days ago). I have read the scripture they refer to for this belief and that's fine and dandy and whatever they believe, well that's fine and dandy and I will respect it. But here are the facts as I have understood them from years of working with them as patients (and herein lies the problem) :
1. There is almost always a principal member in each family (in this case, it was her grandmother). This is the original church member that "converted" the rest as well as the children, grandchildren, etc.. by birth or marriage.
2. Most other members "go along with it" in that it is a Jesus-based religion and is pretty much on par with others in terms of the requirements. Then again, how often and what are the chances that you will be asked to die for your religion?
3. When approached properly, those "secondary members" WILL accept blood transfusion.
This is where the problem lies. At this point, they become outcasts to certain family members who are the "zealots" (or in Jewish terms, the orthodox members). What this moment really is for the person requiring the transfusion is the final affirmation of faith- the moment to "put up or shut up." The choice to accept the transfusion is a choice to reject the central tenet of the religion and therefore the religion itself.
In essence, when I asked this girl "Do you believe in the religion given you by your family?" she said "No fucking way doc, I want to live!" It took her all of 1.3 seconds to answer me.
The central problem I have with JW's is with a faith that believes in a God that is completely unforgiving. Even Christianity forgives/absolves the most mortal sin upon the acceptance of Christ as savior.
When I broached this topic with her grandmother ("Do you not believe that G-d forgives?") she just shook her head in disgust. Bad enough this girl almost died. Now this matriarch freak is going to make the rest of her childhood/puberty a nightmare?
Fuck that shit.
Get me clear though, I respect an individual's rights to their religious beliefs. If, when presented with the reality I gave her, she had said "no" on her own volition, I would NOT have given her the transfusion under any circumstances, even death.
Sorry for the rant, I'm still pissed off at the anesthesiologist for taking so long to put her under and for then hanging the blood while I was operating without letting me know.
Being a surgeon, the main problem I have is with the blood thing (I transfused a 17 year-old, unmarried girl with a ruptured ectopic pregnancy 3 days ago). I have read the scripture they refer to for this belief and that's fine and dandy and whatever they believe, well that's fine and dandy and I will respect it. But here are the facts as I have understood them from years of working with them as patients (and herein lies the problem) :
1. There is almost always a principal member in each family (in this case, it was her grandmother). This is the original church member that "converted" the rest as well as the children, grandchildren, etc.. by birth or marriage.
2. Most other members "go along with it" in that it is a Jesus-based religion and is pretty much on par with others in terms of the requirements. Then again, how often and what are the chances that you will be asked to die for your religion?
3. When approached properly, those "secondary members" WILL accept blood transfusion.
This is where the problem lies. At this point, they become outcasts to certain family members who are the "zealots" (or in Jewish terms, the orthodox members). What this moment really is for the person requiring the transfusion is the final affirmation of faith- the moment to "put up or shut up." The choice to accept the transfusion is a choice to reject the central tenet of the religion and therefore the religion itself.
In essence, when I asked this girl "Do you believe in the religion given you by your family?" she said "No fucking way doc, I want to live!" It took her all of 1.3 seconds to answer me.
The central problem I have with JW's is with a faith that believes in a God that is completely unforgiving. Even Christianity forgives/absolves the most mortal sin upon the acceptance of Christ as savior.
When I broached this topic with her grandmother ("Do you not believe that G-d forgives?") she just shook her head in disgust. Bad enough this girl almost died. Now this matriarch freak is going to make the rest of her childhood/puberty a nightmare?
Fuck that shit.
Get me clear though, I respect an individual's rights to their religious beliefs. If, when presented with the reality I gave her, she had said "no" on her own volition, I would NOT have given her the transfusion under any circumstances, even death.
Sorry for the rant, I'm still pissed off at the anesthesiologist for taking so long to put her under and for then hanging the blood while I was operating without letting me know.
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Golfer18--old
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Son of a bitch, who picked 144,000? Did they draw that number out of hat?
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BronzedGoddess
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Golfer18 said:
Don't quote me on this but, Aren't all of the 144,000 Jews?
fogg88
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Revelations, Ch.7 :
The Sealing of the 144,000
7:1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth so no wind could blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree.
7:2 Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, who had the seal of the living God. He shouted out with a loud voice to the four angels who had been given permission to damage the earth and the sea.
7:3 "Do not damage the earth or the sea or the trees until we have put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God."
7:4 Now I heard the number of those who were marked with a seal, one hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed from all the tribes of the people of Israel.
7:5 From the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed,
from the tribe of Reuben, twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Gad, twelve thousand,
7:6 from the tribe of Asher, twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Naphtali, twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Manasseh, twelve thousand,
7:7 from the tribe of Simeon, twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Levi, twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Issachar, twelve thousand,
7:8 from the tribe of Zebulun, twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Joseph, twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.
<<copy-n-pasted from bible.org>>
The Sealing of the 144,000
7:1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth so no wind could blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree.
7:2 Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, who had the seal of the living God. He shouted out with a loud voice to the four angels who had been given permission to damage the earth and the sea.
7:3 "Do not damage the earth or the sea or the trees until we have put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God."
7:4 Now I heard the number of those who were marked with a seal, one hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed from all the tribes of the people of Israel.
7:5 From the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed,
from the tribe of Reuben, twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Gad, twelve thousand,
7:6 from the tribe of Asher, twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Naphtali, twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Manasseh, twelve thousand,
7:7 from the tribe of Simeon, twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Levi, twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Issachar, twelve thousand,
7:8 from the tribe of Zebulun, twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Joseph, twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.
<<copy-n-pasted from bible.org>>
FreakMonster
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Ways to get rid of a JW
How to get rid of a Jehovah's Witness...
When they ask, "Can I talk to you about God?" Reply, "Sure, what would you like to know?"
Answer the door with a bloody knife and say, "I'm sorry, could you come back in a half hour? We're not done with the virgin yet."
Answer the door with an automatic weapon and say 'Allah be Praised!
Ask them for their address. When they ask why you want it, claim that you want to appear on their doorstop univited so that you can peddle your own beliefs.
Look smug and tell them that your God can beat up their God.
Tell them you already have your own religion. When they ask what it is, wince a little before confessing, "er, I'm not sure if it's legal in this country
A chalk outline of a human body on the pavement, and a few copies of "The Watchtower" scattered around...
Answer every one of their questions with "What do you mean by that?" This might take a while, but you and your loved ones can have fun placing bets on how long it takes for them to leave.
Ask them to explain the story of Elisha and the Forty-two children.
Invite them in to see your fine collection of dinosaur fossils.
Open the door, tell them not to bother you, because you're worshiping Satan, and then slam the door.
When you see them coming down the street, open all the windows in your home and proceed to blast Marilyn Manson's "Anti-christ Superstar"
Put a sign on your front door that says "Do not disturb, human sacrifice in progress"
Invite them in for tea, when they come in, ask them if they'd like to meet your dog, Lucifer.
Set your lawn sprinkler at the edge of the lawn, as soon as they walk past it, turn it on high.
Open the door, listen to their ridiculous speech, but every time they say the word "lord" say "yes, my child?"
Open the door, pretend they are a delivery person, and say, "oh good, my statue of Jeffry Dahmer must be here! It will look great next to the one of Norman Bates, how much do I owe you?"
Open the door, listen to their lecture, and then ask if you could get that in writing.
Pretend you speak Spanish.
Tell them you have to go, you are late for target practice, ask them if they would like to participate.
How to get rid of a Jehovah's Witness...
When they ask, "Can I talk to you about God?" Reply, "Sure, what would you like to know?"
Answer the door with a bloody knife and say, "I'm sorry, could you come back in a half hour? We're not done with the virgin yet."
Answer the door with an automatic weapon and say 'Allah be Praised!
Ask them for their address. When they ask why you want it, claim that you want to appear on their doorstop univited so that you can peddle your own beliefs.
Look smug and tell them that your God can beat up their God.
Tell them you already have your own religion. When they ask what it is, wince a little before confessing, "er, I'm not sure if it's legal in this country
A chalk outline of a human body on the pavement, and a few copies of "The Watchtower" scattered around...
Answer every one of their questions with "What do you mean by that?" This might take a while, but you and your loved ones can have fun placing bets on how long it takes for them to leave.
Ask them to explain the story of Elisha and the Forty-two children.
Invite them in to see your fine collection of dinosaur fossils.
Open the door, tell them not to bother you, because you're worshiping Satan, and then slam the door.
When you see them coming down the street, open all the windows in your home and proceed to blast Marilyn Manson's "Anti-christ Superstar"
Put a sign on your front door that says "Do not disturb, human sacrifice in progress"
Invite them in for tea, when they come in, ask them if they'd like to meet your dog, Lucifer.
Set your lawn sprinkler at the edge of the lawn, as soon as they walk past it, turn it on high.
Open the door, listen to their ridiculous speech, but every time they say the word "lord" say "yes, my child?"
Open the door, pretend they are a delivery person, and say, "oh good, my statue of Jeffry Dahmer must be here! It will look great next to the one of Norman Bates, how much do I owe you?"
Open the door, listen to their lecture, and then ask if you could get that in writing.
Pretend you speak Spanish.
Tell them you have to go, you are late for target practice, ask them if they would like to participate.
FreakMonster
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Why do Jehovah's Witnesses call at Your Door?
They are raising money for their publishing organization by asking you for contributions for their magazines, the Watchtower and Awake!, or other items, but what they really want is YOU.
They practice very hard at their local church (called a Kingdom Hall), to impress you with their honesty and sincerity as "bible teachers". They will offer you a "free home bible study". It's really not free in the long run, and their "bible" is doctored to reflect their beliefs.
If you have been recently traumatized by divorce, death, financial woes, or dissatisfaction with life, you are a candidate to become a JW. They are looking for those vulnerable enough to be attracted by their message of a "new paradise earth" where troubles disappear. The only way in, according to them, is through their organization.
Want to become a Jehovah's Witness? Here are the true facts about what your life will be like. All these facts can be documented from their own literature.
1. BE PREPARED to believe that JW's alone are of God. All other religions, in fact, all non-JW's are of the devil. No exceptions.
2. BE PREPARED to become an extremely negative person, except about the Watchtower organization, where you will have to be extremely positive. (No criticism allowed).
3. BE PREPARED to give your entire patriotic feelings to the Watchtower (WT) organization. since you will not be able to serve in any branch of the armed forces, or work as a civilian on any base. All employment must meet with WT approval .
4. BE PREPARED to never again salute the flag, or stand for a national anthem, or express nationalistic feelings of any kind.
5. BE PREPARED to no longer vote, or have political opinions. Condemnation of all (except the WT) is the order of the day.
6. BE PREPARED at work. If your job involves confidentiality, such as employment in a doctor's or lawyer's office, you will be expected to break that confidentiality to report on any JW patient to the elders. (Example, an unmarried JW woman may want birth control pills etc. ). Innocent employers have been sued.
7. BE PREPARED to forget about having a normal childhood for your children. They will be expected to set their sights on a life of full-time service to the Watchtower Organization. They will practice all their growing-up years, by sitting quietly at the meetings five times a week with you, and accompanying you as you knock on doors with the WT's literature.
8. BE PREPARED to forbid or discourage your children from the following activities after-school sports, having non-JW friends as playmates, joining the YM/YWCA, school dances, voting in school elections, all dating, except for JW 's, and then only if marriage is intended.
9. BE PREPARED to forbid the doctors from administering a life-saving blood transfusion to your child or yourself. Vaccinations and organ transplants were forbidden at one time too, but the WT often changes its mind. Wouldn't it be a shame if you allowed your child to die, and then the WT changed its policy? Many have had this experience already.
10. BE PREPARED to defend the WT Organization about its false prophecies. It has set the date for the end of the world for 1914, 1915, 1918, 1925, the 1940's, 1975. Armageddon is now expected "any moment", but don't be too sure, with their track record. Incidentally, their doctrines change regularly too, so don't become too convinced too fast. It's called "new light".
11. BE PREPARED to lie in court, under oath, if called upon to do so by your elders. If you and your minor children are involved in a child custody case, your children too will be coached by the JW elders to misrepresent their lifestyle under oath. After all, the court system is under the influence of the devil, so its okay--perjury and fraud not withstanding!
13. BE PREPARED to really hate everything but the WT Organization, and especially hate anyone who has the nerve to up and leave. (the dreaded "apostates"). There is no honorable way out of the WT organization. Not only will you be expected to shun and ignore anyone leaving (even family members), but the literature directs you:
"We must hate in the truest sense, which is to regard with extreme and active aversion, to consider as loathsome, odious filthy, to detest."
They are raising money for their publishing organization by asking you for contributions for their magazines, the Watchtower and Awake!, or other items, but what they really want is YOU.
They practice very hard at their local church (called a Kingdom Hall), to impress you with their honesty and sincerity as "bible teachers". They will offer you a "free home bible study". It's really not free in the long run, and their "bible" is doctored to reflect their beliefs.
If you have been recently traumatized by divorce, death, financial woes, or dissatisfaction with life, you are a candidate to become a JW. They are looking for those vulnerable enough to be attracted by their message of a "new paradise earth" where troubles disappear. The only way in, according to them, is through their organization.
Want to become a Jehovah's Witness? Here are the true facts about what your life will be like. All these facts can be documented from their own literature.
1. BE PREPARED to believe that JW's alone are of God. All other religions, in fact, all non-JW's are of the devil. No exceptions.
2. BE PREPARED to become an extremely negative person, except about the Watchtower organization, where you will have to be extremely positive. (No criticism allowed).
3. BE PREPARED to give your entire patriotic feelings to the Watchtower (WT) organization. since you will not be able to serve in any branch of the armed forces, or work as a civilian on any base. All employment must meet with WT approval .
4. BE PREPARED to never again salute the flag, or stand for a national anthem, or express nationalistic feelings of any kind.
5. BE PREPARED to no longer vote, or have political opinions. Condemnation of all (except the WT) is the order of the day.
6. BE PREPARED at work. If your job involves confidentiality, such as employment in a doctor's or lawyer's office, you will be expected to break that confidentiality to report on any JW patient to the elders. (Example, an unmarried JW woman may want birth control pills etc. ). Innocent employers have been sued.
7. BE PREPARED to forget about having a normal childhood for your children. They will be expected to set their sights on a life of full-time service to the Watchtower Organization. They will practice all their growing-up years, by sitting quietly at the meetings five times a week with you, and accompanying you as you knock on doors with the WT's literature.
8. BE PREPARED to forbid or discourage your children from the following activities after-school sports, having non-JW friends as playmates, joining the YM/YWCA, school dances, voting in school elections, all dating, except for JW 's, and then only if marriage is intended.
9. BE PREPARED to forbid the doctors from administering a life-saving blood transfusion to your child or yourself. Vaccinations and organ transplants were forbidden at one time too, but the WT often changes its mind. Wouldn't it be a shame if you allowed your child to die, and then the WT changed its policy? Many have had this experience already.
10. BE PREPARED to defend the WT Organization about its false prophecies. It has set the date for the end of the world for 1914, 1915, 1918, 1925, the 1940's, 1975. Armageddon is now expected "any moment", but don't be too sure, with their track record. Incidentally, their doctrines change regularly too, so don't become too convinced too fast. It's called "new light".
11. BE PREPARED to lie in court, under oath, if called upon to do so by your elders. If you and your minor children are involved in a child custody case, your children too will be coached by the JW elders to misrepresent their lifestyle under oath. After all, the court system is under the influence of the devil, so its okay--perjury and fraud not withstanding!
13. BE PREPARED to really hate everything but the WT Organization, and especially hate anyone who has the nerve to up and leave. (the dreaded "apostates"). There is no honorable way out of the WT organization. Not only will you be expected to shun and ignore anyone leaving (even family members), but the literature directs you:
"We must hate in the truest sense, which is to regard with extreme and active aversion, to consider as loathsome, odious filthy, to detest."
FreakMonster
New member
Here are some of the stupid rules of the JW Religion:
Alternative service is ok as long as you get arrested first
No skirts with high slits
No Birthdays, Christmas, Easter, etc.
No masterbation
No sex before marriage
Also JW's look at smurfs as "sacreligious".
I shit you not!!
No earrings for men.
Only one pair of earrings for the ladies.
No after school sports.
Advanced classes and gifted classes were a no-no
Sunglasses in field service.
No alcohol at weddings.
Graduation parties.
Talking on the phone with boys.
Kissing unless you are engaged.
School functions period.
Leaching off mom and dad well into your 30's was OK if you are pioneering.
No patting sisters on the back.
No skirts above the knee.
No dancing like you are at a rave.
Alternative service is ok as long as you get arrested first
No skirts with high slits
No Birthdays, Christmas, Easter, etc.
No masterbation
No sex before marriage
Also JW's look at smurfs as "sacreligious".
I shit you not!!
No earrings for men.
Only one pair of earrings for the ladies.
No after school sports.
Advanced classes and gifted classes were a no-no
Sunglasses in field service.
No alcohol at weddings.
Graduation parties.
Talking on the phone with boys.
Kissing unless you are engaged.
School functions period.
Leaching off mom and dad well into your 30's was OK if you are pioneering.
No patting sisters on the back.
No skirts above the knee.
No dancing like you are at a rave.
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Warik
Guest
I saw some JWs walking around on Christmas morning. I think the guy whose house they were approaching was getting ready to turn the hose on them.
-Warik
-Warik
VicTusDeuS
New member
I remember a greek lady down the street who was bothered by the JW's one day. She told them she couldnt read or speak english so they would leave her alone. They came back the next day with a translator and greek books. 
Hollywood131
New member
Jehovah's Witnesses
Isa.43:10-12: "You are my witnesses," is the utterance of Jehovah, "even my servant whom I have chosen, in order that you may know and have faith in me, and that you may understand that I am the same One. Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none. I-I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior." "I myself have told forth and have saved and have caused [it] to be heard, when there was among you no strange [god]. So you are my witnesses, is the utterance of Jehovah, "and I am God.
Their beliefs and practices are not new but are a restoration of first-century Christianity. According to the Bible, the line of witnesses of Jehovah reaches back to faithful Abel. Hebrews 11:4-12:1 says:"By faith Abel offered God a sacrifice of greater worth than Cain
...By faith Noah, after being given divine warning of things not yet beheld, showed godly fear...By faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed in going out into a place he was destined to receive as an inheritance...By faith Moses, when grown up, refused to be called the son of the daughter of Pharaoh, choosing to be ill-treated with the people of God rather than to have the temporary enjoyment of sin...So, then, because we have so great a cloud of Witnesses surrounding us, let us also put off every weight and the sin that easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us."
With reference to Jesus Christ, the Bible states: " These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God." Of whom was he a witness? He himself said that he made his Father's name manifest. He was the foremost witness of Jehovah.
-Rev.3:14; John 17:6.
Why are Jehovah's Witnesses persecuted and spoken against?
Jesus said: " If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because you are no part of he world, but I have chosen you out of the world, on this account the world hates you." (John 15:18,19; see also Peter 4:3,4.) The Bible shows that the whole world lies under Satan's control; he is the principal instigator of he persecution.-1 John 5:19; Rev.12:17.
Jesus told his disciples: "You will be objects of hatred by all people on account of my name."(Mark 13:13) The word "name" here means what Jesus officially is, the Messianic King. Persecution comes because Jehovah's Witnesses put his commands ahead of those of any earthly ruler.
When Jesus sent out his early disciples, he directed them to go to the homes of he people.(Matt. 10:7, 11-13)The apostle paul said regarding his ministry: " I did not hold back from telling you any of he things that were profitable nor from teaching you publicly and from house to house."-Acts 20:20,21; see also Acts 5:42.
A conference of religious leaders in Spain noted this: "Perhaps [the churches] are excessively neglectful about that which precisely constitutes the greatest preoccupation of the Witnesses-the home visit, which comes within the apostolic methodology of he primitive church. While the churches, on not a few occasions, limit themselves to constructing their temples, ringing their bells to attract the people and to preaching inside their places of worship, [the witnesses] follow the apostolic tactic of going from house to house and of taking advantage of every occasion to witness."
-El Catolicismo, Bogota, Colombia, September 14, 1975, p.14.
Jesus foretold for our day this work:"This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all nations; and then the end will come." He also instructed his followers: "Go...and make disciples of people of all the nations."-Matt.24:14;28:19.
The message that the Witnesses proclaim involves the lives of people; they want to be careful to miss no one.(Zeph.2:2,3)Their calls are motivated by love-first for God, also for their neighbor.
Isa.43:10-12: "You are my witnesses," is the utterance of Jehovah, "even my servant whom I have chosen, in order that you may know and have faith in me, and that you may understand that I am the same One. Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none. I-I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior." "I myself have told forth and have saved and have caused [it] to be heard, when there was among you no strange [god]. So you are my witnesses, is the utterance of Jehovah, "and I am God.
Their beliefs and practices are not new but are a restoration of first-century Christianity. According to the Bible, the line of witnesses of Jehovah reaches back to faithful Abel. Hebrews 11:4-12:1 says:"By faith Abel offered God a sacrifice of greater worth than Cain
...By faith Noah, after being given divine warning of things not yet beheld, showed godly fear...By faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed in going out into a place he was destined to receive as an inheritance...By faith Moses, when grown up, refused to be called the son of the daughter of Pharaoh, choosing to be ill-treated with the people of God rather than to have the temporary enjoyment of sin...So, then, because we have so great a cloud of Witnesses surrounding us, let us also put off every weight and the sin that easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us."
With reference to Jesus Christ, the Bible states: " These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God." Of whom was he a witness? He himself said that he made his Father's name manifest. He was the foremost witness of Jehovah.
-Rev.3:14; John 17:6.
Why are Jehovah's Witnesses persecuted and spoken against?
Jesus said: " If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because you are no part of he world, but I have chosen you out of the world, on this account the world hates you." (John 15:18,19; see also Peter 4:3,4.) The Bible shows that the whole world lies under Satan's control; he is the principal instigator of he persecution.-1 John 5:19; Rev.12:17.
Jesus told his disciples: "You will be objects of hatred by all people on account of my name."(Mark 13:13) The word "name" here means what Jesus officially is, the Messianic King. Persecution comes because Jehovah's Witnesses put his commands ahead of those of any earthly ruler.
When Jesus sent out his early disciples, he directed them to go to the homes of he people.(Matt. 10:7, 11-13)The apostle paul said regarding his ministry: " I did not hold back from telling you any of he things that were profitable nor from teaching you publicly and from house to house."-Acts 20:20,21; see also Acts 5:42.
A conference of religious leaders in Spain noted this: "Perhaps [the churches] are excessively neglectful about that which precisely constitutes the greatest preoccupation of the Witnesses-the home visit, which comes within the apostolic methodology of he primitive church. While the churches, on not a few occasions, limit themselves to constructing their temples, ringing their bells to attract the people and to preaching inside their places of worship, [the witnesses] follow the apostolic tactic of going from house to house and of taking advantage of every occasion to witness."
-El Catolicismo, Bogota, Colombia, September 14, 1975, p.14.
Jesus foretold for our day this work:"This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all nations; and then the end will come." He also instructed his followers: "Go...and make disciples of people of all the nations."-Matt.24:14;28:19.
The message that the Witnesses proclaim involves the lives of people; they want to be careful to miss no one.(Zeph.2:2,3)Their calls are motivated by love-first for God, also for their neighbor.
Hollywood131
New member
Why won't a Jehovah's Witness accept blood?
This is a particular area that many people do not understand and for which Jehovah's Witnesses are ridiculed. Perhaps the following information will explain why they choose to take such a stance. Whether you choose to take a similar stance or not is your own personal choice.
Christian's are commanded to 'abstain from blood'
Acts 15:28,29: " The holy spirit and we ourselves [the governing body of the Christian congregation] have favored adding no further burden to you, except these necessary things, to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled [or killed without draining their blood] and from fornication. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!" (There the eating of blood is equated with idolatry and fornication, things that we should not want to angage in.)
Animal flesh may be eaten, but not the blood
Gen.9:3,4:"Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you. As in the case of green vegetation, I do give it all to you. Only flesh with its soul-its blood-you must not eat."
What about blood transfusions?
Does the Bible's prohibition include human blood?
Yes, and early Christians understood it that way. Acts 15:29 says to "keep abstaining from...blood." It does not say merely to abstain from animal blood. (Compare Leviticus 17:10, which prohibited eating "any sort of blood.") Tertullian (who wrote in defense of the beliefs of early Christains) stated: "The interdict upon 'blood' we shall understand to be (an interdict) much more upon human blood."
-The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol.IV,p.86.
Is a blood transfusion really the same as eating blood?
In a hospital, when a patient cannot eat through his mouth, he is fed intraveneuosly. Now, would a person who never put blood into his mouth but who accepted blood by transfusion really be obeying the command to "keep abstaining from...blood"?(Acts 15:29) To use a comparison, consider a man who is told by the doctor that he must abstain from alcohol. Would he be obediant if he quit drinking alcohol but had it put directly into his veins?
In the case of someone who refuses blood, there are alternative treatments.
1.Saline solution
2.Ringer's solution
3.dextran
All types of surgery can be performed successfully without blood transfusions. This includes open-heart operations, brain surgery, amputation of limbs, and total removal of cancerous organs.
When there is severe blood loss, the greatest need is to restore the fluid volume. Our blood is actually over 50 percent water; then there are red and white cells and so forth. When much blood is lost, the body itself pours large reserves of blood cells into the system to and speeds up production of new ones. But fluid volume is needed. Plasma volume expanders that contain no blood can be used to fill this need. These options do not carry the risk of AIDS, hepatitis, or malaria.
Many people equate a refusal of blood as a refusal of treatment. That is not he case, as the above examples would illustrate, there are non-blood options that one can choose.
Why should we take such a position?
1. Do you love your wife (husband) enough that you would be willing to risk your life for her (him)?...
There are also men who risk their lives for their country, and they are viewed as heroes, aren't they? But there is someone who is greater than any person or thing here on earth, and that is God. Would you risk your life because of love for him and loyalty to his rulership? 2.The issue here is really loyalty to God. It is God's Word that tells us to abstain from blood.(Acts 15:28,29)'
What if a doctor says,"you will die without a blood transfusion?
'If the situation is really that serious, can the doctor gaurantee that the patient will not die if he is given blood?'
'But there is someone who can give a person life again, and that is God. Don't you agree that, when face to face with death, turning one's back on God by violating his law would be a poor decision? I truly have faith in God, do you? His Word promises a resurrection for those who put faith in his Son. Do you believe that? (John 11:25)
This is a particular area that many people do not understand and for which Jehovah's Witnesses are ridiculed. Perhaps the following information will explain why they choose to take such a stance. Whether you choose to take a similar stance or not is your own personal choice.
Christian's are commanded to 'abstain from blood'
Acts 15:28,29: " The holy spirit and we ourselves [the governing body of the Christian congregation] have favored adding no further burden to you, except these necessary things, to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled [or killed without draining their blood] and from fornication. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!" (There the eating of blood is equated with idolatry and fornication, things that we should not want to angage in.)
Animal flesh may be eaten, but not the blood
Gen.9:3,4:"Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you. As in the case of green vegetation, I do give it all to you. Only flesh with its soul-its blood-you must not eat."
What about blood transfusions?
Does the Bible's prohibition include human blood?
Yes, and early Christians understood it that way. Acts 15:29 says to "keep abstaining from...blood." It does not say merely to abstain from animal blood. (Compare Leviticus 17:10, which prohibited eating "any sort of blood.") Tertullian (who wrote in defense of the beliefs of early Christains) stated: "The interdict upon 'blood' we shall understand to be (an interdict) much more upon human blood."
-The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol.IV,p.86.
Is a blood transfusion really the same as eating blood?
In a hospital, when a patient cannot eat through his mouth, he is fed intraveneuosly. Now, would a person who never put blood into his mouth but who accepted blood by transfusion really be obeying the command to "keep abstaining from...blood"?(Acts 15:29) To use a comparison, consider a man who is told by the doctor that he must abstain from alcohol. Would he be obediant if he quit drinking alcohol but had it put directly into his veins?
In the case of someone who refuses blood, there are alternative treatments.
1.Saline solution
2.Ringer's solution
3.dextran
All types of surgery can be performed successfully without blood transfusions. This includes open-heart operations, brain surgery, amputation of limbs, and total removal of cancerous organs.
When there is severe blood loss, the greatest need is to restore the fluid volume. Our blood is actually over 50 percent water; then there are red and white cells and so forth. When much blood is lost, the body itself pours large reserves of blood cells into the system to and speeds up production of new ones. But fluid volume is needed. Plasma volume expanders that contain no blood can be used to fill this need. These options do not carry the risk of AIDS, hepatitis, or malaria.
Many people equate a refusal of blood as a refusal of treatment. That is not he case, as the above examples would illustrate, there are non-blood options that one can choose.
Why should we take such a position?
1. Do you love your wife (husband) enough that you would be willing to risk your life for her (him)?...
There are also men who risk their lives for their country, and they are viewed as heroes, aren't they? But there is someone who is greater than any person or thing here on earth, and that is God. Would you risk your life because of love for him and loyalty to his rulership? 2.The issue here is really loyalty to God. It is God's Word that tells us to abstain from blood.(Acts 15:28,29)'
What if a doctor says,"you will die without a blood transfusion?
'If the situation is really that serious, can the doctor gaurantee that the patient will not die if he is given blood?'
'But there is someone who can give a person life again, and that is God. Don't you agree that, when face to face with death, turning one's back on God by violating his law would be a poor decision? I truly have faith in God, do you? His Word promises a resurrection for those who put faith in his Son. Do you believe that? (John 11:25)
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Frackal
Guest
The ones I have met are generally snootish and quite irritating...mormons are pretty fucking bad too though
thebabydoc
New member
Like I said Hollywood-
That whole blood thing is the most ridiculous crock I have ever heard. Nothing you wrote/quoted even remotely convinces me that refusal of blood transfusions, etc... is what is meant or that it can even be inferred from those passages.
BTW red blood cells (which make up approximately 40% of blood) CARRY OXYGEN you schmuck. Tissues need oxygen to survive. LR, D5, NS, Hespan, Albumin, and all other blood volume expanders do not have the ability to carry oxygen to tissue. They are also not retained in the circulatory system very long once the oncotic pressure has dropped secondary to severe blood loss.
That whole blood thing is the most ridiculous crock I have ever heard. Nothing you wrote/quoted even remotely convinces me that refusal of blood transfusions, etc... is what is meant or that it can even be inferred from those passages.
BTW red blood cells (which make up approximately 40% of blood) CARRY OXYGEN you schmuck. Tissues need oxygen to survive. LR, D5, NS, Hespan, Albumin, and all other blood volume expanders do not have the ability to carry oxygen to tissue. They are also not retained in the circulatory system very long once the oncotic pressure has dropped secondary to severe blood loss.
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