Isn't It Ironic?

[Nelson Montana]

With all the fancy calculating of different compounds and exact percentages etc, etc, etc, I wonder how many people realize that more often than not they're not even injecting what they think they're injecting.

Guys, unless the shit is pharm grade, forget amount milligram strength. It can vary up to 50 mgs a dosage. And forget about mixing compounds. Most gear is either test or EQ or a combo of the two.

Even tren (which is cheap as shit) can and will be faked if the supplier is out of stock. Hell, mix some test, EQ and some clen -- voila! TREN!

Want Deca? You'll get test. (And gee, I didn't get deca dick! Woo hoo!)

HGH -- yeah, more like HCG. Who knows the difference?

Looking for a 50 mg version of Anavar? You'll get 10 mgs of dbol, call it 50 mgs of Avanver, pay for it, and like it.

Forget Primo. It's too damn expensive to make. Most UG guys figure you don't know the difference or you're mixing so many compounds you can't tell. You'll get low dose test or more likely EQ -- cause the results are similar, except for the nasty sides.

And that's another thing. Bad sides aren't just an inconvenience. You can expect sexual sides because these are sex hormones. But night sweats, chills, fever etc ARE NOT THE SIDES OF HUMAN STEROIDS!!! Who knows what the fuck is causing this shit. Who knows what the fuck they're giving you.

And I don't care if a UG is recommended or not. Anyone can go bad at any time. Anyone can sell shit and anyone can sell something dirty.

Don't mean to be a bummer. But every now and then this needs to be addressed. Especially today when there's virtually no pharma gear available.

Hell, if I were still doing gear today I'd spend my money on some of needto's Beastdrol and Tren product along with good liver supps like POST CYCLE and Liv 52, and all the BIG BLAST I could afford. Results would be comparable and a hell of a lot safer -- both in terms of legality and health.

It's gotten really bad out there guys. Do yourselves a favor and stick to one or two compounds and see what they do. You may be surprised to find they all do the same thing -- because they ARE the same thing.

 

[bigtravis]

absolutely! There are shady fu@&ers out there.
other than pharm grade is to do it yourself and then you still don't know the actual quality.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

thats why I'm sticking to test. Trying EQ cause I always wanted to but thats it. Test . Maybe some dbol in the future just to try. other than that...what do you really need besides test?

 

[sensational]

thats why I'm sticking to test. Trying EQ cause I always wanted to but thats it. Test . Maybe some dbol in the future just to try. other than that...what do you really need besides test?

Test is best it is true...

BUT!

Tren is amazing and very easy to get real stuff...and good stuff!

I didn't like what EQ did to my blood pressure...the massive increase in hematocrit was likely to blame..

 

[bigtravis]

just about any way you go is a gamble. EQ and primo. hell you could be running that for a good 10 weeks with other compounds and not know wether youre getting it or not.
if you get test-e or c and you start seeing serious results inside two weeks then guess what? you got prop.

 

[ryno9000]

On a positive note...NELSON is PREGNANT! Congrats bro, I suggest the name Ryan if it is a strong boy!

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Test is best it is true...

BUT!

Tren is amazing and very easy to get real stuff...and good stuff!

I didn't like what EQ did to my blood pressure...the massive increase in hematocrit was likely to blame..

Tren made me feel like I had tendonitis everywhere on my body. Yes it was real it was from the fina I bought myself. First time with EQ only in week 4 and BP is great so far. we will see in a few more weeks. Its simple really. If bp gets too high I drop it.. Collagen synthesis is a big reason I wanted to try it.

 

[airsmith2k]

if u got a good source ur gettin the rite stuff and if ur hands are hurting all the time from hgh then its real hgh

 

[mr.nitro]

I could see some shady people selling eq and calling it primo, but I can't see someone fakeing deca or test e. they are just too cheap.

 

[swole]

if my primo was really eq i'd have a panic attack the day after injecting

 

[goin on 4T]

Yep Pharm grade is worth the extra $$$.

 

[HAYEZ]

if you use a shitty source or jump ships everytime you find someone cheaper then yes you might as well fuck yourself in the ass with a broom ......


now if you have a solid source there nothing to worry about

 

[Nelson Montana]

if my primo was really eq i'd have a panic attack the day after injecting

It's been known to happen. And what would you do about it?

I think it's a joke that the 2 steroids are so often compared. Primo is elegant and pricy whereas EQ is cheap garbage. Farm animal medicine.

A real Primo man would know, but if you're young and unfamiliar and/or less sensitive to the sides, you may be happy with dry, lean gains and not even know your BP shot up 50 points.

 

[needtogetaas]

Just in case anyone was wondering. Norma Hellas Greece , Jelfa Poland ,
Organon Karachi, Farmak, Ukrain , Schering Pakistan. ARE THE FUCKING REAL DEAL SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You will get places out there with there die hard fans swearing there guy has the best. Well unless its pharm grade ^^^^^^^^^ they do not have the best. They may have the second best if they are lucky but the best is ^^^^^

And no matter how much they want to debate it they are wrong. Dead wrong.


But the question is Who has this stuff and if you knew would you grow the set of nuts it takes to order some. HMMMMMM

 

[2evil]

If your man always has everything in stock and available then you have a problem...

 

[centeroiler]

Well, all this is very unsettling. Its not as if this whole concept of faking compounds is new. Its been going on forever and you'd have to be completely naive to think that everything UG is exactly as it should be. To make matters worse most, if not all, guys stack steroid upon steroid whether its their first cycle or their tenth.

I really think the only way bros are going to have a good idea of what they are taking is to stick with one compound at a time. Yet I admit, who the hell wants to do that when we all know the benefits of stacking. Another would be to sit next to the guy that actually mixes the stuff. Yeah, right. Something that I think would be of great help would be a comprehensive "What to look for in a Steroid" type of reference thread/sticky. In other words, real testimony from real experienced bros on the side-effects of particular AAS's from personal experience and also from generally accepted medical profiles. The outline could be something like this:

If you use Primobolan Enanthate, and your dose is**XYZ** then you should expect to see**XYZ** at around this ****** time. You should not expect to see**XYZ** If you see**XYZ** then you may have actually taken** XYZ**

A lot of bros don't know what to look for. I think any gains are going to be embraced and the person is going to be happy until they realize that their liver is getting fucked up when it shouldn't be, they're bloated like a puffer fish when they shouldn't be, or are growing a set of tits from a compound that's not supposed to aromatize. Just an idea.

 

[Nelson Montana]

If your man always has everything in stock and available then you have a problem...

Good point. That's a clue, right there.

 

[eClenbuterol]

Another thing suppliers love to do is add Test Prop in the mix so user feedback is always kudos.. You know like, "Damn Im already blowing up"

This is a well known trick

 

[aquatic_glories]

If your man always has everything in stock and available then you have a problem...

fantastic point. Luckily, one of the reasons I fully trust my source.

 

[79steeler]

if my primo was really eq i'd have a panic attack the day after injecting

It's funny you said that Swole, because when I was reading that about the primo I thought the same thing. I thought if Swole's primo was fake he'd be climbing the walls.

I think that this is a little too much conspiracy theory going on here Nelson. What proof do you have that these products are not what they say they are? Is it that hard to get legitimate components in today's world. I would'nt think so. If there is a market for something someone will try and make it happen.

There are alway's scammers out there no doubt, but if it was this widespread I think it would be very common knowledge and accusations would be flying like crazy. I have run several different compounds and each has had either a very different effect or a slightly different effect. I'm sure Iv'e been given things in the past that could have been givin one thing when I thought they were another, but I think for the most part they've been spot on. Who knows for sure though.

 

[theemperor]

Well, all this is very unsettling. Its not as if this whole concept of faking compounds is new. Its been going on forever and you'd have to be completely naive to think that everything UG is exactly as it should be. To make matters worse most, if not all, guys stack steroid upon steroid whether its their first cycle or their tenth. Then, one bro says "pharma-grade is worth the extra $$$". Well, there is no "pharma grade"!!! Or, very little anyway.

I really think the only way bros are going to have a good idea of what they are taking is to stick with one compound at a time. Yet I admit, who the hell wants to do that when we all know the benefits of stacking. Another would be to sit next to the guy that actually mixes the stuff. Yeah, right. Something that I think would be of great help would be a comprehensive "What to look for in a Steroid" type of reference thread/sticky. In other words, real testimony from real experienced bros on the side-effects of particular AAS's from personal experience and also from generally accepted medical profiles. The outline could be something like this:

If you use Primobolan Enanthate, and your dose is**XYZ** then you should expect to see**XYZ** at around this ****** time. You should not expect to see**XYZ** If you see**XYZ** then you may have actually taken** XYZ**

You know, "You may be a Red-Neck steroid user if you ever"........

Most bros don't even know what to look for. I think any gains are going to be embraced and the person is going to be happy until they realize that their liver is getting fucked up when it shouldn't be, they're bloated like a puffer fish when they shouldn't be, or are growing a set of tits from a compound that's not supposed to aromatize. Just an idea.

Hell, I'm going on a Primo cycle for the first time and I'd like to make sure I got the real shit because I've never used it before. The shit is so pricey that it makes me consider using Dermacrine instead of the Test Enanthate I was going to do, just so I can feel the Primo alone.

Let me tell you there IS PHARMA GRADE!!! 100% Human Grade.
I know I don't have any bunk shit wesson oil!! Bunk oil all over the freakin place BUT I made sure I got the REAL oil AND it costs good $$$ to get it. My good bro Goin on 4Tknows what he is talking about!!

 

[centeroiler]

let me tell you there is pharma grade!!! 100% human grade.
I know i don't have any bunk shit wesson oil!! Bunk oil all over the freakin place but i made sure i got the real oil and it costs good $$$ to get it. My good bro goin on 4tknows what he is talking about!!

100% pharma grade trenbolone, maybe?????????????????????????????

 

[SwolK]

It's easier to get real AS ( be they UG or HG ) now than it has been in years. I'm sure those who have a financial interest in supplement companies don't want the average Joe to know that though.

 

[Nelson Montana]

It's easier to get real AS ( be they UG or HG ) now than it has been in years. I'm sure those who have a financial interest in supplement companies don't want the average Joe to know that though.

If this is to infer that I am attempting to stop people from buying steroids so they'll buy more of my supplements, all I can say is; YOU MUST BE FUCKING JOKING!!!

Yeah, I think I'll start a rumor that all the gear in the world is bad and then I can make millions!

Ridiculous. Sure it's easy to get gear. Lots of people are slopping together crap in their basement and selling it. If you're okay with that, fine. But don't for a second suggest that what I'm saying is duplicitous. That's irresponsible, disrespectful and it pisses me off.

 

[bigtravis]

You know? I'm gonna go ahead and speak my mind here so you can bomb me or what ever I dont mind.
Nelson I have read several of your last few post and I must say that they are nothing but on the negative side.
They seem hostile and for what reason I don't know.
I'm sure others wouldn't mind reading your post's with a little more of a positive atmosphere to them. ????

 

[bblazer]

Dr. prescriptions and compounding pharmacies make all of this a moot point.

B-

 

[Nelson Montana]

You know? I'm gonna go ahead and speak my mind here so you can bomb me or what ever I dont mind.
Nelson I have read several of your last few post and I must say that they are nothing but on the negative side.
They seem hostile and for what reason I don't know.
I'm sure others wouldn't mind reading your post's with a little more of a positive atmosphere to them. ????

I'm sorry bro. I thought we were here to inform. Let me rephase my original statement for you.

"Everything is great! You never have to worry about what you buy because all the black market suppliers are swell guys! No need to be concerned with learning the ins and outs of using illegal drugs because these guys have your best interests at heart. All the gear available today is top notch! My apologies to anyone I offended."

Better?

 

[bigtravis]

Thats not was I was meaning. No one is doubting your knowledge or experience bro. It's just your tact. But point proven.

 

[*The_West*]

lol@nelson deleting my post. stuff like this is typical of the hypocritical, sales orientated nature of the bodybuilding industry.

 

[*The_West*]

nelson, im not doubting the quality of your products. but you really can be an arse.

 

[Nelson Montana]

lol@nelson deleting my post. stuff like this is typical of the hypocritical, sales orientated nature of the bodybuilding industry.

That's pretty funny. When I, who makes a modest commission on personally designed supplements for a fraction of the hardcore bodybuilding community, sold thought he internet at wholesale prices, represent the big conglomerate supplement industry!!! Wow.

If you admittedly don't doubt the quality of the products, why are you dissing them? I'm an arse because i warn people about bad gear? WTF?

I deleted your post because it was merely complaining and name calling. Be mature, be respectful and make a point. Even if it's a criticism I'll leave it posted. But pointless insults will not stand.

 

[*The_West*]

im not "dissing" your products at all, nelson. and i wasn't even really insulting you, just voicing my opinion that i find a lot of your posts arrogant and/or condescending.
im not calling you an arse for warning people about bad gear, because that isnt what you were really doing, is it, nelson? people know they take risks when they buy ug. they already know it might not be 100% what it says on the tin. they buy it because they cant get pharm grade.
please dont attempt to take the moral high ground with me, i pride myself on the fact that i never resort to pointless name calling.

 

[Nelson Montana]

im not "dissing" your products at all, nelson. and i wasn't even really insulting you, just voicing my opinion that i find a lot of your posts arrogant and/or condescending.
im not calling you an arse for warning people about bad gear, because that isnt what you were really doing, is it, nelson? people know they take risks when they buy ug. they already know it might not be 100% what it says on the tin. they buy it because they cant get pharm grade.
please dont attempt to take the moral high ground with me, i pride myself on the fact that i never resort to pointless name calling.[/QUOTE


Dude...arse?, condesending?...hypocritical?...arrogent? These arn't insults? What's the point -- that I don't need to warn anyone about the bad gear that's going around? Do we really need you to chime in on that? I think it is YOU who is trying to take the moral ground by "protecting" the members to my supposedly subversive tactics.

If you don;t like my posts, don't read them.

I'm trying to cover a lot of topics and different aspects of steroid use. If something is "obvious" to you, let it go. Don't attack the poster.

A difference of opinion is fine, but if you have nothing to contribute and nothing to say other than to criticize, it's kind of a waste of time, wouldn't you say?

 

[Tatyana]

The pharma industry is one of the biggest money makers in the world, and even pharma drugs are faked or even worse, they can be contaminated.

I am sure there are some great chemists out there making steroids and drugs, but I do wonder about sterile technique. Labs cost A LOT of money for the equipment.

It is a huge problem that is emerging.




Fake prescription drugs are flooding the United States -- Charatan 322 (7300): 1446 -- BMJ
Fake prescription drugs are flooding the United States
Fred Charatan Florida

Three counterfeit prescription drugs have reached the shelves of American pharmacies and in some cases have been given to patients. Some phials contained cheap generic versions of the drugs named on the packaging; others contained liquids with no active ingredients.

The drugs involved, all three of which are injectable, are filgrastim (Neupogen), an anticancer drug sold by Amgen; and two versions of the human growth hormone somatropin, Serostim, made by Serono, and Nutropin, which is sold by Genentech.

China's battle with fake drugs

China's battle with fake drugs


Hepeng Jia/ Beijing, China

While China's pharmaceutical industry is experiencing rapid growth, a boom in counterfeit drugs is costing


'Among 32 drugstores in Nanjing [capital city of East China's Jiangsu Province] investigated by me in the past weeks, 22 are selling counterfeit drugs and health foods,' claimed Gao Jingde, a fake-drug investigator based in Shanghai

Fake prescription drugs warning


BBC NEWS | Health | Fake prescription drugs warning

 

[jonny jacked]

if u got a good source ur gettin the rite stuff and if ur hands are hurting all the time from hgh then its real hgh

I don't know about that. My hands hurt all the time - but then again, I jerk off a least a dozen times a day.

though, one way to tell is to measure your blood sugar levels (using what diabetics use). measure before and after injection. I forget if its supposed to increase or decrease - I'm sure someone here can fill that part in.
no change in levels? No HGH

 

[jonny jacked]

I'm sorry bro. I thought we were here to inform. Let me rephase my original statement for you.

"Everything is great! You never have to worry about what you buy because all the black market suppliers are swell guys! No need to be concerned with learning the ins and outs of using illegal drugs because these guys have your best interests at heart. All the gear available today is top notch! My apologies to anyone I offended."

Better?

You know Nelson, sarcasm is angers ugly cousin… or something like that..

 

[jonny jacked]

one another note, I see Post Cyle is back in Stock - or was it Unleashed that was out? either way - you ship to Canada? By you, I mean EF - I assume you would know.

to your point about fake gear - a legitimate one. After a lab test (this was about two years ago now) it was confirmed a well known UG lab was passing off Winstrol tabs as Anavar – Bastards..

 

[Nelson Montana]

You know Nelson, sarcasm is angers ugly cousin… or something like that..

I see it more as wits retarded sister.

 

[jonny jacked]

I see it more as wits retarded sister.

ya, that sounds about right!

on another note - Since EF store does not ship to Canada...I ordered UNLEASHED & POST CYCLE from Protein Factory (which I did a few years ago, when you first put out the products). they worked great then, and I am assuming I will see the same results.

I will get some HCG, but in your opinion, is anything else required / needed?

cycle consited of the following:

Test Enth 600mg wk/ 14wks
tren ace 50mg/day 12 weeks
winstrol (oral) 50mg/day 5 wks (last 5 weeks)

I've still got about 3 weeks left.

thanks for the help

 

[Nelson Montana]

ya, that sounds about right!

on another note - Since EF store does not ship to Canada...I ordered UNLEASHED & POST CYCLE from Protein Factory (which I did a few years ago, when you first put out the products). they worked great then, and I am assuming I will see the same results.

I will get some HCG, but in your opinion, is anything else required / needed?

cycle consited of the following:

Test Enth 600mg wk/ 14wks
tren ace 50mg/day 12 weeks
winstrol (oral) 50mg/day 5 wks (last 5 weeks)

I've still got about 3 weeks left.

thanks for the help

It's always good to use a little HCG or HMG as a jumping off, but you don;t need much. I little a-dex fr about 2 weeks following the last inject would be a good idea as well. That was a bit long to go with the Tren , which can be unpredictable, but you should be okay.

 

[goin on 4T]

im not "dissing" your products at all, nelson. and i wasn't even really insulting you, just voicing my opinion that i find a lot of your posts arrogant and/or condescending.
im not calling you an arse for warning people about bad gear, because that isnt what you were really doing, is it, nelson? people know they take risks when they buy ug. they already know it might not be 100% what it says on the tin. they buy it because they cant get pharm grade.
please dont attempt to take the moral high ground with me, i pride myself on the fact that i never resort to pointless name calling.

I will disagree with you completely! There are a lot of young people today who buy AAS and don't know that it might not contain what they are buying they are ignorant and believe all they are told becuase its from a buddy. If it wasn't from a buddy then they wouldn't buy it. That is how its marketed!

 

[jonny jacked]

Nelson (or anyone) with respect to running PCT using UNLEASHED & POST CYCLE - along with HCG - how and when would I start each? what about adding in HMG (like you stated Nelson).
Im not to familiar with that product - how does it get added in - dosages and times

thanks

**I bought two bottles of both products also Nelson so can run a little longer

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson (or anyone) with respect to running PCT using UNLEASHED & POST CYCLE - along with HCG - how and when would I start each? what about adding in HMG (like you stated Nelson).
Im not to familiar with that product - how does it get added in - dosages and times

thanks

**I bought two bottles of both products also Nelson so can run a little longer

I like starting PCT one week after the last iject, while it's taperin gout but there's still some enhancement in your body. You can't go wrong by continuing the supps for a while. Instead of HCG you can do one or two hits of 75 i.u's of HMG over the course of a couple of days.