hey Lats, you said the tt cyp sucked! What about it sucked? Did it not produce any gains? I have tt cyp lot 41. Did a cycle, was painless, but had other stuff combined so I couldn't really tell. Also what did you think of the testonon lot 20? I haven't tried it, but have boat loads of both cyp and testonon lying around. I would die if they were ineffective. For the other bro, I have never tried the tornel super-test, but just heard mixed remarks....some good, some bad. Just like everything else on the market.