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is this really 20% bf??

I would think alot less than 20 even though that picture doesn't show much.
 
swordfish151 said:
I can see abs in that pic..no way that 20% maybe under 15%
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whew!! Yea, not the best pic, but best I had......I really thought it was 15% ish, and was shocked when at my fire dept. physical they said I was 20%, and that I was almost failing for being fat for a 34 year old (not that they can punish me or anything, but with the way I am dieting, and hitting it in the gym, it sucks to get told your still a fatass !!) lol

PS: they had 2 different "professionals" take my bf with calipers (I sad "no way" when the first said I was 20, so she got another....and she agreed with the first)
 
Did you get it measured? Or did someone just eyeball it for you?

Different methods will produce different measures. Using things like the bioimpedence scales will read higher than a caliper / skinfold measure because they are measuring different things (as well as being dependent on things like how much water you drank that day, if you just finished training / sweating, etc.)
 
fireman664 said:
whew!! Yea, not the best pic, but best I had......I really thought it was 15% ish, and was shocked when at my fire dept. physical they said I was 20%, and that I was almost failing for being fat for a 34 year old (not that they can punish me or anything, but with the way I am dieting, and hitting it in the gym, it sucks to get told your still a fatass !!) lol

PS: they had 2 different "professionals" take my bf with calipers (I sad "no way" when the first said I was 20, so she got another....and she agreed with the first)
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when you look in the mirror can you see abs?
 
No way, you can't see abs off of 20 %. You'd also have a very visible spare tire around the bottom midsection if you were 20%. I'd say 15% or under.

Go slap whoever told you you were 20%, then kick them in the shin.
 
I just had the bioimpedence done and i came in at 20%. I can't see my abs at all yet like you can yours. I have to guess under 15% no question
 
Jdevlin1985 said:
Top 4 abs only are visable when flexed = 10-12%

Full abs are visable when flexed = 8-9%

All abs visable when relaxed = 5-7%
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I dont buy this!

people can hold fat in different places
 
thezan said:
I dont buy this!

people can hold fat in different places
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True. This is a method Lee Haney spoke to me about one time when i met him in birmingham. To determine b/f percentage by sight as accurate as poss, use this formula.

Near enough spot on if you ask me.
 
Jdevlin1985 said:
Top 4 abs only are visable when flexed = 10-12%

Full abs are visable when flexed = 8-9%

All abs visable when relaxed = 5-7%
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My upper abs are looking pretty good, and my lower are more hidden (and my trouble area is my love handles). I am cutting right now, trying to push to my lowest BF% which I guestimate at around 10%, maybe just under (I was 24 at the time too, so 10 years ago)

It is just discouraging to work so hard, then get told your fat lol....I know I am below 20% (well, was pretty sure) but thought I'd try and get some positive feedback from ya'll before I decided to say FUCKIT and eat some McDonalds or something.

btw, they used calipers.

thanks all
 
weird 20 % on two caliper tests, id suggest you take some more pics bro so we can have a better idea
 
Jdevlin1985 said:
Top 4 abs only are visable when flexed = 10-12%

Full abs are visable when flexed = 8-9%

All abs visable when relaxed = 5-7%
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I really like that determination. Anyone else have any more input?
 
Jdevlin1985 said:
Top 4 abs only are visable when flexed = 10-12%

Full abs are visable when flexed = 8-9%

All abs visable when relaxed = 5-7%
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I like this formula, helps me realize I am not fat anymore.
 
sparetire said:
well, since were on this topic, i had my bf tested today with one of those hand held electronic bf testers, it said I was 10.8. does this look like 10.8%

http://www.darkmantis.com/abflex.jpg
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In that picture yes. To me it looks like you are holding a bit of water under there though. Try drinking shit loads of water tomorrow and keep carbs low-moderate, sodium low, then try again. I think under 10.
 
there is not a lot of separation in and cutness on your arms and shoulders but then it looks like your abdomen is pretty ripped up. i think your 15%, but you are holding excess weight in your upper areas, maybe a better pic would change that perspective. still no way are you 20 with abs like that bro
 
Every has to have some sort of BF fro example in between your organs to hold them in palce. Everyone is different, two people with the same BF may look completely different. I was told anything less than 4% is nearly impossible
 
Jdevlin1985 said:
In that picture yes. To me it looks like you are holding a bit of water under there though. Try drinking shit loads of water tomorrow and keep carbs low-moderate, sodium low, then try again. I think under 10.
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i guess I shouldn't have drank that 6 pack of bud last night.. LOL. I'm trying for 6-8 percent.

And btw fireman, I first started out at 19% bf some years ago, and No way is that 20%. I'd say somewhere between 14-16%. Just do 20-45 minutes of hit card ed or e0d for the next month or two and you'll drop another 3-5% :)
 
supra5469 said:
Every has to have some sort of BF fro example in between your organs to hold them in palce. Everyone is different, two people with the same BF may look completely different. I was told anything less than 4% is nearly impossible
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Top ten pros are under 4% for the olympia. Jay Cutler was 3 at last years. 8% during the off-season.
 
Jdevlin1985 said:
Top ten pros are under 4% for the olympia. Jay Cutler was 3 at last years. 8% during the off-season.
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Thats what i was told by the so call fitness expert who took my BF test yesterday
 
This is the thing....there are very few 'professionals' that take bf% with skin calipers. Unless you have pinched a couple hundred people, then there is no way you can trust anybody. Those people that took your measurements are not 'professionals.' This is clearly visible. I have done many pinches over the years and I would not even say i'm close to being great at it to consider myself a 'professional.'

Don't let these people get you down. Who knows, they could have also been just hating on you (jealousy). Maybe not though. The important thing is to gauge how you visibly look through appearance...ie pictures and mirror.

If I were you, i'd go to the Women's board and do a search under a very smart, and well trained expert, under the name Hybrid1 or Wilson6. He wrote a lot of awesome info regarding BF% measuring. I'd can say with good faith that he was a real professional in this area. Hopefully something comes up, as I don't believe he posts here anymore....unless he uses a different handle now.


Good luck man!
BMJ
 
fireman664 said:
first time trying to post a pic, so bear with me.

http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=s6hq9i

curious if thats really 20% bf...I thought more like 15% sigh lol
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Bro, Im at 16 and your abs are showin better than mine! I'd say you're around 14%.
 
i am cutting up i was about 24% right now if i look in the mirror i can start seeing my abs come in id say i am around 18% now... gonna drop to 12% but i am bigger than youin the mid area so if i have to guess id say around 15% but then again i have a bigger frame than you do ill post before and after pics when i am done in about 12 weeks
 
we all hold fat in different places. your thighs/ass could drive up your %, or your back.
 
HOG said:
we all hold fat in different places. your thighs/ass could drive up your %, or your back.
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OK, this just in!! A captain at another house, who has your typical disdended beer belly, and probably comes in at 35% bf, all in the belly....you know the type, no muscle in the arms, tiny legs, all beer belly...anyway, he tested at 20% yesterday (same as me!!) lol, he said his stomach is so tight they couldnt pinch the skin. The funny part is he believes he is 20%. (he is probably 5'9" 240#'s, and does not work out at all...guessing 40"-42" waist)

makes me laugh
 
Jdevlin1985 said:
Top 4 abs only are visable when flexed = 10-12%

Full abs are visable when flexed = 8-9%

All abs visable when relaxed = 5-7%
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I would agree with this right here....I would say he is around 12-14% look pretty good bro keep up the hard work and you will be ripped for summer
 
bruce410 said:
there is not a lot of separation in and cutness on your arms and shoulders but then it looks like your abdomen is pretty ripped up. i think your 15%, but you are holding excess weight in your upper areas, maybe a better pic would change that perspective. still no way are you 20 with abs like that bro
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Bang on the money with the reasoning IMO, what you lose in being cut on the upper section you seem to make up for in the abs area. I'm the oposite and currently at 14%, you're not much different from that percentage.

Jdevlin, I would have put you more in the 9% myself but that's just from personnel experience.
 
Definitely below 15%. Youre more muscular and have less BF on your midsection. Your arms dont look like theyre below 15%. That's why everyone is different and everyone holds fat in different areas. The total sum through pinching 3-4 different areas really doesnt mean shit. You can be 20% on your arms and 10% on your midsection, that's how your own genetics work.
 
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