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wannabeBB

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I need to ask this so I'm not trying to strive for something unattainable. I heard on another board that most of the girls you see in fitness magazines are on AS. And something like that is unattainable. Okay, I knew this is probably true for BB's but fitness? They arent that big.
My goal is to one day be in a comp. (like maybe lightweight or whatever my body is capable of).
I really admire this one BB and use her pics as my inspiration. My question is, Is it possible to look like this naturally?http://www.heathersweb.com/cgi-bin/gallery/gallery.cgi?func=show&file=200384&Category=100005&Page=1


This is the size I want and I want to know if it's possible so I dont try to acheive something unattainable or too far-fetched.
 
I can't click on the pic to make it bigger (not a paying member) but I have seen some of her current pics on her website.
 
IMO, you can acheive a VERY muscular physique without the use of steriods depending on your Genetics of course. I have seen pics of MS and I will tell you that if SHE can do it without eating ANY meat.. those of us that have that in our arsenal have ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING EXCUSE!!:D I'm just impatient though!!;)
 
Sometimes it's not the destination BUT the journey....

Since you have a goal, reach that goal and be happy with what you achieved. Small goals achieved tend to lead you to more and more and more.....Either way, it's a win, win situation!
 
Your personal potential depends on quite a few factors, but as Vixen pointed out, it is the journey that matters more that the destination. You will never know what your natural genetics are capable of until you get started and try. Of course, if you never start you will never get there. Conversely, the sooner you get started the quicker you will arrive.

I don’t wish to hijack your thread, but would love for MS to comment sometimes on the potential for one to naturally coerce our existing genetic makeup to be more anabolic. This is quite a chicken and egg conundrum amongst some people I work around. It gets pretty involved and I am not sure I can accurately and clearly relay their debate.

One side argues that our genetic makeup is capable of modifying itself somewhat with nothing more than diet, nutrition, exercise, and rest. They believe that we have the inherent ability to essentially evolve ourselves without supra physical means like drugs or radical damage, and that these changes can be passed on to our children. In other words, if we are lazy slobs and have children, those are the basic genes we pass along. On the flip side, if we become physically fit before bearing offspring, we pass along that predisposition.

The people on the other side say our genetics are hard fixed and cannot be changed except through external modification. They think that any upregulation or alteration of genetic expression was already predestined and that it is not the result of any induced genetic alteration. Basic metabolism is a mathematical crapshoot determined at gestation according to them.

Even this crowd seems split with some thinking alteration is possible by external means like AS and external stresses and these changes will be passed on….

Anyway, I find this fascinating. And yeah, I’m a geek.
 
BigE,
Were you saying that some people really think that your genetics (predispositions and such) can be altered by healthy behavior such that you would pass along your fitness to offspring? That sounds like the old famous fallacy in which a scientist theorized that giraffes have long necks because they kept reaching for leaves and stretching them, then passed on their newly stretched necks to offspring. That's not the way evolution works, nor is it the way gene mutations occur. It seems pretty obvious that everyone has a set genetic potential. Training hard and eating clean enables a person to reach it, but does not in any way change it. When you put anabolics (drugs) into the equation, you aren't talking about altering one's genetics or one's genetic potential, either. You're talking about increasing hormones that we already have (GH or test,for instance) to levels we do not naturally maintain. If anabolics did alter genetic potential, then people who had taken them but were not currently using would, with their newly-altered genetic state, be able to make gains consistent with anabolic use when they weren't using.


Sorry for such a long rant. Anyways, WannaB, I really don't think that the woman in that pic is natural. Like everyone else said, though, your personal natural potential may be freakishly similar. And, like everyone else said, the only way to find out is to give yourself the tools to realize that potential - eat clean, lift hard.
 
I would say that to achieve the look you're after you would first and foremost HAVE to have that women's general build to begin with. The length of her long bones, muscle insertions, and genetics for stuff such as calf development have got to be there first. Otherwise, even WITH AAS, you will have a completely different look. Also, if that women attained that physique without the use of AAS, she would be a very rare genetic freak IMHO. So it's possible, YES. Likely, NO.

Changing our genetic potential through lifestyle factors is not really possible. But 'potential' is the key word here, and realizing your potential to it's fullest is different from changing it. If you've never had the chance to read Weston Price's in depth treatise on this kind of topic and would like to, just shoot me an email (copyright issues prevent me from posting the link on this board). He observed severe physical changes which appeared for all the world to be 'genetic' (including changes in dental arch, height, bone structure, muscularity, susceptibility to modern diseases, personality etc...) between native generations of primitive peoples and their offspring who adopted wetsern diets and lifestyles. After you read this book, you will be even more amazed at how stupid the so-called health experts have been over the last 60-70 years since the keys to good physical development and long term health have been known for AT LEAST this long.
 
Can you tell by looking at someone if they have good genetics for bodybuilding or not?
A trainer at the gym told me I am too tall for bodybuilding and could never do it. That's why I choose this woman for inspiration. I am 5'7 1/2 and I think she's about the same.
This personal trainer told me that since I'm tall, my muscles are longer and wont bulk up very easily. That was discouraging.
I am by no means skinny though. And I don't think I'm a hard gainer. I have no idea what my potential is since I was never much atheletic before. I guess I'll just have to wait and see.
 
I would hardly call 5'7" 1/2 tall!!!! That's an absurd thing for your trainer to say. Anyway, as I said before, it's not so much how tall you are as how you're put together. The woman you want to look like appears to be pretty endomorphic to my eye. Maybe she's not 'short' but she's definitely stocky compared to, say, the fitness look. So are you more of an endomorph or ectomorph (or somewhere in between??). Anyway like you said, you'll just have to give it your best shot and see what the final product looks like. That's a big part of the fun of the journey....not knowing what you're gonna get in the end.
 
wannabeBB said:
I need to ask this so I'm not trying to strive for something unattainable. I heard on another board that most of the girls you see in fitness magazines are on AS. And something like that is unattainable. Okay, I knew this is probably true for BB's but fitness? They arent that big.
My goal is to one day be in a comp. (like maybe lightweight or whatever my body is capable of).
I really admire this one BB and use her pics as my inspiration. My question is, Is it possible to look like this naturally?http://www.heathersweb.com/cgi-bin/gallery/gallery.cgi?func=show&file=200384&Category=100005&Page=1


This is the size I want and I want to know if it's possible so I dont try to acheive something unattainable or too far-fetched.
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This type of developement is on the absolute edge of natural training possibilities but as MS said she would have to be a very rare genetic freak.

So if she was a one in a million genetic freak, a pure mesomorph with a high natural test level, and trained very smartly with heavy weights, low volume and with plenty of days out of the gym per week AND also had everything else in perfect order(likely not having a job) then it is possible but it would take at LEAST 10 years of very serious training and maybe more.
So if she started serious training at 20 then by 30 she might look like that.
Problem is that in order to get to that % body fat naturally a certain amount of muscle mass would need to be sacrificed.

I have seen some pretty large natural women over the years but none large and very lean...its almost an impossibilty without steroids.

RG:)
 
Natural, not a chance. Just a little bit of juice, unlikely. Moderate to quite a bit of juice, probably. Good genetics, sure. But natural, or 5-10 mg a day of OX, no way.

Someone send me a pic of MS please.

Just my two cents.

W6
 
Wannabe -

Chances are this woman is not natural, as everyone has said. And chances are she HAS used quite a bit of AS to get this way. And her genetics are probably really, really awesome.

BUT, that does not mean you have to use AS to look amazing. And that does not mean you have to have perfect genetics to look amazing. You just gotta bust your butt a little harder when it comes to training and diet!

Don't let any of this deter you - I'd love to wake up tomorrow and be able to compete. But it ain't gonna happen. Chances are, it will never happen. Frustrating and annoying, yes. But that doesn' t mean I shouldn't work as hard as I can at the gym, stay focused and determined and set my sights high.

Keep trying as hard as you can - don't let go of the goal of competing one day. Just keep busting your butt to look the best you can and feel good about yourself! It's good to have a 'role model' but you are an individual - you'll never look like her or anyone else. You are put together different!
 
Yes, that large AND that lean is pretty unnatural. I am pretty large at the moment, but I lose a lot of it when I diet down al naturelle. Don't worry Wilson6, I am not some jacked chicked masquerading as a natty! I also agree that 10mg per day of any steroid will not get most women even close to that look. 10mg per day might get you a fitness look, but if you have good genetics you can ususally achieve a fitness look without the 10mg per day. It just takes longer, and smarter, training and dieting. Of course, you'll still need breast implants :)
 
SHe got some crazy big quads, if her calves and upperbody could match up with that she could stand next to bev francis or some light-weight male pro's

:D
 
Another thing to keep in mind when you set your goals based on a "role model" -- you can compete in such natural, well-tested organizations such as the NGA and stay natural. But the reality is that the competition is pretty damn stiff and in order to even consider competition in most, you HAVE to juice, unless you actually are a genetic monster.

If you are just getting started and your goal is to compete naturally, of course that's possible. You can seek out the fully natural organizations or the tested shows and give it your all. But do realize that even tested shows usually have some "cheaters". When you look at someone who does compete at the top levels, do what you can with what God gave you - and do it to the best of your ability. Sometimes the result is much nicer than the enhanced result because it was natural and the sides of the enhanced process didn't skew the results. But don't be discouraged from doing a show. Natural or not, its an experience unto itself.

The comment about beign "tall" -- I'm 5'7" as well -- and this also true of male bb's -- if you are shorter, there is less size to spread out muscle over, less body mass to have to support and just generally less of everything to build up, lean out, keep proportional, etc. I think if you are taller, you can generally keep things more proportional - the long, lean look is awesome and the short people sometimes just can't pull it off.
 
WannaB, There is a great gap between a female BB and a fitness competitor... whereas a BB has huge muscles and high definition as the picture you say in fitness the muscle tone should appear firm and round with a small amount of body fat over the muscle.

Fitness competitors have athletic routines which may be more demanding, while BB's just have posing routines.

Why don't you post your pictures so that we may know a reference point and tell you somehow what you may be able to achieve naturally.
 
Just train hard, rest well, eat properly, keep stress low and watch in amazement as your body becomes things you never dreamed possible. I'm 5'11, vegetarian and natural, and while those 3 things may appear on the surface to place great limits on what I can achieve in comparison to your average mesomorphic, carnivorous AAS user, for me they aren't limits, just facts of life, like the sky is blue. Sure, my long legs'll probably NEVER look very big, but that's not stopping me from training them to the point of la-la land :) Because there sure is room to make them bigg-ER.

Role-models are great for motivation and for learning, but bad for comparisons and goals. It's good to have a general idea of what's achievable naturally, but I also think that automatically assuming that any reasonably well-developed chick is using AAS is a mistake. I don't really know much, but I think it's the 24/7/365 leanness factor that's the giveaway usually. A fair amount of size can be developed naturally, but keeping it when you diet, then maintaining it is a whole nother story.

I intend to simply make the very best of what I have by learning and applying everything I can about the body, nutrition, etc., and by competing once a year for as long as I can. Whether you win or not, what you go through to get on that stage is a journey few people are priveleged (or crazy, or strong) enough to complete. It's a great goal to have, and the BB world is big enough that there are competitions to suit any level of development.

If you are consistent in your approach to optimal training, nutrition, rest, every day, every week, every month you will be making gains, learning, growing, progressing, moving - and I guarantee one day you will wake up and you will have far surpassed the potential you only thought you could achieve. :)
 
wannabeBB: Set your goals high. Work towards them every single day. As you get closer you will probably realize two things...

1) You are happy with yourself the way that you are
2) You are content with not using AAS.
..........or..........
2b) You don't mind using AAS to look a certain way.

I set my dreams many years ago to be a monster like the guys in the magazines. I pushed myself every single day for years and I never made it. On the journey I realized that I didn't want to look like them anyway. For the past year I have wanted to get stronger and be like the guys on ESPN. I have come a long way in the past year...not even close yet...but have come a long way.

B True
 
Re: Re: Is this realistic??

Realgains said:



This type of developement is on the absolute edge of natural training possibilities but as MS said she would have to be a very rare genetic freak.

So if she was a one in a million genetic freak, a pure mesomorph with a high natural test level, and trained very smartly with heavy weights, low volume and with plenty of days out of the gym per week AND also had everything else in perfect order(likely not having a job) then it is possible but it would take at LEAST 10 years of very serious training and maybe more.
So if she started serious training at 20 then by 30 she might look like that.
Problem is that in order to get to that % body fat naturally a certain amount of muscle mass would need to be sacrificed.

I have seen some pretty large natural women over the years but none large and very lean...its almost an impossibilty without steroids.

RG:)
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I agree completely..... that kinda of "freak" is few and far between.....
 
wilson6 said:
Natural, not a chance. Just a little bit of juice, unlikely. Moderate to quite a bit of juice, probably. Good genetics, sure. But natural, or 5-10 mg a day of OX, no way.

Someone send me a pic of MS please.

Just my two cents.

W6
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praise the lord

wannabe, this is the only post you need to read here.
 
Though I posted this here yesterday. Oh well...

"You´re so full of shit. Why don´t you just go away and leave the woman´s board alone."

Now now. I hope you were consistant and sent the same thing to wilson6.
 
wannabeBB said:


This is the size I want and I want to know if it's possible so I dont try to acheive something unattainable or too far-fetched.
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Not possible without drugs...most likely gh./slin/test and all the other goodies...I know some figure competitor’s who take that shit and just do figure comps.

Don’t be fooled people.
 
Though I posted this here yesterday. Oh well...

"You´re so full of shit. Why don´t you just go away and leave the woman´s board alone."

Now now. I hope you were consistant and sent the same thing to wilson6.


You did post this yesterday aur and I asked if there was something I was missing with regard to the last sentence? My response disappeared as well. Emailed Lobo, said he was looking into it.


W6
 
Re: Re: Is this realistic??

NY Muscle said:


Not possible without drugs...most likely gh./slin/test and all the other goodies...I know some figure competitor’s who take that shit and just do figure comps.

Don’t be fooled people.
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There you go with that negative attitude, NYM. You just want to keep people down.

Don´t listen! You just keep reaching for the stars out there!!! (and keep buying those Weider supplements, I got some money invested) HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!

p.s. been giving us a variety of different looks in your avatar lately NYM. Christ! You could serve cocktails on that thing.
 
I don't want to add fuel to this one, but I think NYM is pretty much right about this particular example.

It would be misleading to the women on this board who aspire to look like this, to have them think otherwise and spend years trying to obtain something that is not possible to this extent without drugs.

Having said that, I don't think anyone should be discouraged from pursing their personal best without drugs and let the chips fall where they do, but I don't want anyone setting themselves up for failure because we tell them this is possible when it really isn't, at least to this extent (muscle mass and leanness).

Rather than setting goals based on someone elses appearance, why not just try to be the best you can and use yourself as your own role model.

W6
 
wilson6 said:
Rather than setting goals based on someone elses appearance, why not just try to be the best you can and use yourself as your own role model.W6
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That is so true... It's amazing how things change once you do that. :)
 
wilson6 said:
I don't want to add fuel to this one, but I think NYM is pretty much right about this particular example.

It would be misleading to the women on this board who aspire to look like this, to have them think otherwise and spend years trying to obtain something that is not possible to this extent without drugs.

Having said that, I don't think anyone should be discouraged from pursing their personal best without drugs and let the chips fall where they do, but I don't want anyone setting themselves up for failure because we tell them this is possible when it really isn't, at least to this extent (muscle mass and leanness).

Rather than setting goals based on someone elses appearance, why not just try to be the best you can and use yourself as your own role model.

W6
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That´s all well and sensible, but it won´t sell supplements, wilson! HA HA!!!

take it easy
 
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