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Is there a OTC Supp. Alternative to Proviron? Like something that does the same but doesn't have the same active ingredient as it?
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This does exactly that and it's the only one that does: http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=109&cat=0&page=1
Re: Is there a OTC Supp. Alternative to Proviron? Like something that does the same
Mmm, similar effects. W being DHT based and blocking Sh BG. The difference is W is also anabolic and Proviron is not. No supplement can retain nitrogen like a steroid, but UNLEASHED comes close by increasing FREE T. More T is in itesel anabolic. BIG BLAST contains super plasma serum, which is the most "usable" form of protein (found in no other formula) so that comes as close to a "steroid effect" (nitrogen retention) as one can get naturally. Add some VIGOR, which increases blood volume, and that's a stack that can make coming off a very smooth transaction because you're replicating so many of the effects of the steroids. Are they as powerful? Of course not. But they work WITH your body and the name of the game is keeping the gains while "off."
Zuperman said:
Mmm, similar effects. W being DHT based and blocking Sh BG. The difference is W is also anabolic and Proviron is not. No supplement can retain nitrogen like a steroid, but UNLEASHED comes close by increasing FREE T. More T is in itesel anabolic. BIG BLAST contains super plasma serum, which is the most "usable" form of protein (found in no other formula) so that comes as close to a "steroid effect" (nitrogen retention) as one can get naturally. Add some VIGOR, which increases blood volume, and that's a stack that can make coming off a very smooth transaction because you're replicating so many of the effects of the steroids. Are they as powerful? Of course not. But they work WITH your body and the name of the game is keeping the gains while "off."
Zuperman said:
They work great for a natty. Use those 3, eat enough and train your ass off. You'll be amazed how much profgress you make.
If that's you in you Addy.... You got some big guns for all natty.
I think you are smart to wait it out until you hit a plateau. IF you want to break through it, gear is the answer. Or you can stay natty forever.
I stayed natural until age 46. Gear REALLY helps in your 40's, 50's, 60's.
Nelson makes the best stuff around (so I'm told) Load up, I'm sure he will give you a discount.
I think you are smart to wait it out until you hit a plateau. IF you want to break through it, gear is the answer. Or you can stay natty forever.
I stayed natural until age 46. Gear REALLY helps in your 40's, 50's, 60's.
Nelson makes the best stuff around (so I'm told) Load up, I'm sure he will give you a discount.
Zuperman
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Re: Is there a OTC Supp. Alternative to Proviron? Like something that does the same
yea thaat's me bro,
thanx,
halfcenturian said:If that's you in you Addy.... You got some big guns for all natty.
I think you are smart to wait it out until you hit a plateau. IF you want to break through it, gear is the answer. Or you can stay natty forever.
I stayed natural until age 46. Gear REALLY helps in your 40's, 50's, 60's.
Nelson makes the best stuff around (so I'm told) Load up, I'm sure he will give you a discount.
yea thaat's me bro,
thanx,
josenunes said:
Those are prohormones, not nutritional supplements. Prohormones are garbage.
josenunes said:
Sorry bro, don't buy it. All prohormones are technically steroids and if they were just weaker versions they'd be used by pharceutical companies, but they're not. That's because the side effects FAR outweigh the benefits.
They DO NOT enhance the body, they SUPPRESS it.
If you're going to do that you might as well get some REAL results from REAL steroids.
For a natural alternative, especially with lowering SH bG, as the poster asked, you can't go do any better than UNLEASHED. And it's side effect free. No contest.
Check it out and I'm sure you'll agree.
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needtogetaas
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Re: Is there a OTC Supp. Alternative to Proviron? Like something that does the same
Might as well use the real thing. In fact its cheaper to.josenunes said:
Re: Is there a OTC Supp. Alternative to Proviron? Like something that does the same
That's true , but he was asking specifically whay proviron does. Proviron won't even put on much muscle, it'll just "harden" the physique and blocks estro because it supresses Sh bG. Prohormones don't do that. UNLEASHED does.
josenunes said:
That's true , but he was asking specifically whay proviron does. Proviron won't even put on much muscle, it'll just "harden" the physique and blocks estro because it supresses Sh bG. Prohormones don't do that. UNLEASHED does.
Mavafanculo
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Nelson - I just read the ingredients for unleashed - nice - add some cnidium monnier into that mix and it'll also be a viagra substitute lol
josenunes
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Re: Is there a OTC Supp. Alternative to Proviron? Like something that does the same
Epistane™ is more than an anti-estrogen, though, as it also binds to androgen receptors in skeletal muscle. As a PRO-Anabolic compound Epistane™ promotes increases in strength and lean body mass with an anabolic/androgenic value (Q ratio) of 12. With most powerful androgens there is a high risk of the natural suppression of the gonads. Epistane™, unlike other PRO-Anabolic compounds that have recently been released, is relatively mild on the gonads and, due to the anti-estrogenic effects and the fact that Epistane™ keeps lh - leutenizing hormone - levels elevated, post cycle therapy becomes a breeze. All effects combined make Epistane™ a great compound to produce dry, lean gains in muscle mass with minimal side effects and suppression of the body’s natural androgen production, while lowering the effects of natural estrogen or combating estrogen from endogenous/exogenous sources. This makes it a powerful tool when combined with “wet” compounds in attempt to increase gains and decrease side effects. One can also not overlook the potential benefit of this compound taken alone, especially when recovering from periods of “wet” compounds. If you don’t want to worry about how your lipid and liver values are doing and whether or not you are going to get gynocomastia or not then get Epistane™, stop worrying, and experience what others are raving about!
this was used as an AI in japan but people began to put some muscles on,
in llewellyn`s book the anabolic/estrogenic ratio is: 1100/91, this is good stuff otc and stronger than proviron and I`m sorry but I dont agee with Nelson opinion regarding halodrol, in llewellyn`s book he says that this compound is similar to oral turinabol and very anabolic
Finally the PRO-Anabolic, anti-estrogen we have all been waiting for has arrived! Epistane™, exhibits a strong, long lasting anti-estrogen effect that is organ tissue specific. This means it works only where you want it to work. Broad range estrogen blockers and aromatase inhibitors can result in system shut down, aching joints, and decreased IGF-I expression. Epistane™ binds specifically to the 17ß-estradiol receptor protein in the target tissues. Because of its long lasting and strong effects on specific tissue, Epistane™ can significantly reduce and reverse the effects of gynocomastia because not only does Epistane™ specifically block estrogen in breast tissue but it induces an estrogen-depleted condition which leads to apoptosis or the death of the breast tissue cells. Studies show that small doses of the parent compound, Epitiostanol, at just 10-20mg/week showed a complete disappearance of the mass and pain in 25% of the male patients in the clinical trail, while the other 75% of the patients showed at least a 50% reduction in the mass and complete loss of pain in just 4-8 weeks. That’s results in 100% of the male users with no side effects. While compounds such as Clomid and Nolvadex also block the 17ß-estradiol receptor, they do not elicit the same increase in protein synthesis and strength gains that Epistane™ can offer.Zuperman said:
Epistane™ is more than an anti-estrogen, though, as it also binds to androgen receptors in skeletal muscle. As a PRO-Anabolic compound Epistane™ promotes increases in strength and lean body mass with an anabolic/androgenic value (Q ratio) of 12. With most powerful androgens there is a high risk of the natural suppression of the gonads. Epistane™, unlike other PRO-Anabolic compounds that have recently been released, is relatively mild on the gonads and, due to the anti-estrogenic effects and the fact that Epistane™ keeps lh - leutenizing hormone - levels elevated, post cycle therapy becomes a breeze. All effects combined make Epistane™ a great compound to produce dry, lean gains in muscle mass with minimal side effects and suppression of the body’s natural androgen production, while lowering the effects of natural estrogen or combating estrogen from endogenous/exogenous sources. This makes it a powerful tool when combined with “wet” compounds in attempt to increase gains and decrease side effects. One can also not overlook the potential benefit of this compound taken alone, especially when recovering from periods of “wet” compounds. If you don’t want to worry about how your lipid and liver values are doing and whether or not you are going to get gynocomastia or not then get Epistane™, stop worrying, and experience what others are raving about!
this was used as an AI in japan but people began to put some muscles on,
in llewellyn`s book the anabolic/estrogenic ratio is: 1100/91, this is good stuff otc and stronger than proviron and I`m sorry but I dont agee with Nelson opinion regarding halodrol, in llewellyn`s book he says that this compound is similar to oral turinabol and very anabolic
Mavafanculo said:
POST CYCLE contains cnidium. Put the two together and you're a porn star! lol It's a very rare combination that works in a way nothing else does by increasing libido, plus free testoserone, plus lower estro, plus nitric oxide to the penis. You can't lose. Needto just did a thread on combining the two and bragged about the best sex of life. LOL!
I don't have personal experience with Epistane -- there's a new prohormone type supp every 5 minutes. All I can say is every one has sucked and I can't believe this is is any different. They all claim not to be suppressive and they always are.
Yeah, Llwellyn endorsed Haladrol -- BECAUSE HE SOLD IT!!! Real objective opinion there.
josenunes
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halodrol was sold by gaspari , not llewellin, I suppose .Nelson Montana said:
Epi. was sold as an anti-estrogen in japan and is stronger than Primobolan - methenolone - ,anavar,winstrol and proviron, I never tried it but there are some good feedback from users.
You are right in the suppressive point...
Mavafanculo
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josenunes said:
if I recall, halodrol is basically a private labeled version of X-Factor which is llewelyns arachodonic acid product.
now the fact that its llewelyn carries some weight, BUT AA is basically a killer over prolonged periods, a pro-inflamatory, pro heart disease. they suppossedlyhave studies showing otherwise over the short term but I havent read them
josenunes
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that is halodrol liquid gels not the original halodrol 50, this one is like oral turinabol (4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1, 4-diene-3-17b-diol).Mavafanculo said:
Gaspari maked an agreement with llewellin to sold is AA in halodrol liquid gels but not in the original halo, there`s a lot of clones of this one in the market...
Mavafanculo said:
If it's arachonic acid you want, buy powedered baby formula. It's in it.
for the original question try products that has high does divanil.activate extreme by ds or massfx.
as far as the new otc steroids,epistane is good and mild.its also a mild anti-e.original halo was good but is methyl so is harsh to the liver(like most orals).but as far as winny prostanozol or furizinadol is a good alternative.people here will clown on it but its mild and u get the benefits of winny.its cheap too and not bad for the liver.
as far as the new otc steroids,epistane is good and mild.its also a mild anti-e.original halo was good but is methyl so is harsh to the liver(like most orals).but as far as winny prostanozol or furizinadol is a good alternative.people here will clown on it but its mild and u get the benefits of winny.its cheap too and not bad for the liver.
OldWiseMan
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Re: Is there a OTC Supp. Alternative to Proviron? Like something that does the same
Most of those pro-hormones or pro-steroids are methylated and very HARSH on the liver. Many seem to have a huge impact on the lipids as well. Plus they are all relatively new, since they are designer. The side effects are not yet completely know. You are better off using the real thing if you have access to it.
If you want a glimpse at some of the OTS designer steroids on the market check this out:
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa113/raspberrylion/supplementreview1.jpg
ekbenzo said:
Most of those pro-hormones or pro-steroids are methylated and very HARSH on the liver. Many seem to have a huge impact on the lipids as well. Plus they are all relatively new, since they are designer. The side effects are not yet completely know. You are better off using the real thing if you have access to it.
If you want a glimpse at some of the OTS designer steroids on the market check this out:
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa113/raspberrylion/supplementreview1.jpg
ekbenzo said:
Bad advice.
Old Wise Man: Good post, but I wouldn;t trust reviews from a magazine that sells ad space to the people they're reviewing.
josenunes said:
No, I designed some products for them and am part owner of those products alone. They'll soon be available at the LOWEST PRICES on the net, right here at Elite Fitness.
josenunes said:
Hopefully soon.
marvelous54
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Nelson Montana said:
Nelson the web page says that three pills make up a serving, how many servings are suggested per day?
marvelous54 said:
What product?
lillee3377
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Designer Supplement's Activate Extreme and Anabolic Extreme's Mass Fx are real good for this and have alot of reviews. The Protein Factory version looks good but falls short of looking as good as Activate's ingredients.
marvelous54
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Nelson Montana said:
Unleashed, how many suggested servings per day?
josenunes
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I agree with you on that point there`s a lot of otc supps that are very good, not everything is bad , some prohormones are identical to some roids like the original halodrol (oral turinabol), superdrol (methyldrostanolone), epistane and others, and it`s true that activate extreme is a very good product .ekbenzo said:
People should have a more open mind to otc supps because some of them are very good, even the otc AI`s can be very useful for pct , I made a 4 week cycle with 40mg day of anavar I put 5kgs of muscle my pct was with 6-oxo and i get off fine with all the wheight that I put on.
Open mind fellows...
lillee3377 said:
YOU'RE DELUSIONAL.
Do you know what that fancy Divinil ingredient with a 20 letter chemical name is? Urtica Diocia! A fucking herb that cost 6 bucks at Vitamin Shoppe. (I hate when companies do that). BTW, Urtica is only ONE of the ingredients in UNLEASHED. Activate also does not list the active avenacoside count. In other words, it doesn't touch UNLEASHED. Not even close.
The recommend dosage for best results with UNLEASHED is 2 servings a day. One after breakfact and one at night.
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josenunes
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I never tried unleashed cause it`s not for sale in Europe, but once I made a stack of 6-oxo + activate + finasteride and it worked very fine, my strength and aggression were absurd , i stop the cycle because sometimes I couldn't control my aggression.
I dont know exactly what means but design supps say this about their product:
Can’t we just get this effect cheap from generic stinging nettle root extract products?
As much as you’d like that, no.
ActivaTe™ is one of a kind product. While generic stinging nettle products contain all lignans found in the root, Divanil™ is standardized to 60-95% 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran. It is this lignan that shows the highest affinity for sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) and what is responsible for the hugely beneficial effects of ActivaTe™. Generic products also tend to have the typical 10% standardization, so to get one month’s worth of the product at the dosing equivalent to the recommended dosing of ActivaTe™ would require multiple bottles and likely not have the same effect in the event of other lignans in the root antagonizing the effect of Divanil™.
I dont know exactly what means but design supps say this about their product:
Can’t we just get this effect cheap from generic stinging nettle root extract products?
As much as you’d like that, no.
ActivaTe™ is one of a kind product. While generic stinging nettle products contain all lignans found in the root, Divanil™ is standardized to 60-95% 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran. It is this lignan that shows the highest affinity for sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) and what is responsible for the hugely beneficial effects of ActivaTe™. Generic products also tend to have the typical 10% standardization, so to get one month’s worth of the product at the dosing equivalent to the recommended dosing of ActivaTe™ would require multiple bottles and likely not have the same effect in the event of other lignans in the root antagonizing the effect of Divanil™.
ekbenzo said:
UNLEASHED does not contain avena. It contains avenacosides. And these people who suddenly have less than 100 posts all pimping this other product...I don't know. Seems a little suspicious.
Re: Is there a OTC Supp. Alternative to Proviron? Like something that does the same
3 yrs later ,still waitin for resellers of unleashed in europe nelson!!!!!!!!!!!
3 yrs later ,still waitin for resellers of unleashed in europe nelson!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Is there a OTC Supp. Alternative to Proviron? Like something that does the same
needto is selling it now. Maybe he'll do an overseas delivery.
3 yrs later ,still waitin for resellers of unleashed in europe nelson!!!!!!!!!!!
needto is selling it now. Maybe he'll do an overseas delivery.
Re: Is there a OTC Supp. Alternative to Proviron? Like something that does the same
yes nelson but as ive stated in numerous threads lately....uk customs now charge on all packages from non- eu countries ,import taxes plus a delivery charge of parcelforce...ive been stung twice ordering from usa ,you cant even get around it no more by checkin the gift option.....so us britS NEED A EUROPEANS STOCKIST OF NTBM STUFF, primordial performance have done this. ,
yes nelson but as ive stated in numerous threads lately....uk customs now charge on all packages from non- eu countries ,import taxes plus a delivery charge of parcelforce...ive been stung twice ordering from usa ,you cant even get around it no more by checkin the gift option.....so us britS NEED A EUROPEANS STOCKIST OF NTBM STUFF, primordial performance have done this. ,
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Re: Is there a OTC Supp. Alternative to Proviron? Like something that does the same
Hit up the store that you want it to be carried in and request that they pick it up. Thats gonna be your best route.
Hit up the store that you want it to be carried in and request that they pick it up. Thats gonna be your best route.
needtogetaas
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Re: Is there a OTC Supp. Alternative to Proviron? Like something that does the same
We are already working on a UK based needtobuildmuscle store. We already have a distribution center set up and ready to roll. We are working on getting them stocked up with products before we go live with it though.
We are already working on a UK based needtobuildmuscle store. We already have a distribution center set up and ready to roll. We are working on getting them stocked up with products before we go live with it though.
Re: Is there a OTC Supp. Alternative to Proviron? Like something that does the same
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Re: Is there a OTC Supp. Alternative to Proviron? Like something that does the same
nelson i have this question so i can use unleashed and stacket with my cycles of steroids ? because i dont know were to get proviron or nolvadex here and if i found it is really expensive..... and i need something to control estrogen because im not using nothing and now im doing a big research and im finding all this out so the only thing im taking is l-arginine ,zinc and magnesium i been drinking this before i start using steroids any advise it would help me a lot thks
nelson i have this question so i can use unleashed and stacket with my cycles of steroids ? because i dont know were to get proviron or nolvadex here and if i found it is really expensive..... and i need something to control estrogen because im not using nothing and now im doing a big research and im finding all this out so the only thing im taking is l-arginine ,zinc and magnesium i been drinking this before i start using steroids any advise it would help me a lot thks
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