Is liver damage from orals overrated?

[chazk]

when the liver stops working or is damaged.. it cuases the gallbladder to back up,cuases the pancrease to not work properly and cuases the intestines to not digest food correct.. guys loose lots of weight..

I just watched a good friend go through this.. he got yellow skin and eyes,, his liver was swelled and cuased gallballder problems.. he had the shits and runs for a month...his bilirubin levels were off the chart due to toxic hepatitis...
so far he lost 25 lbs.. and still cant work out untill may 15th if even then..

this was back one march 25th he was hospitalized ..its been one month and for him almost 6 weeks off all steroids he is finally digesting food somewhat normal but its still is kinda green and mushy..

liver toxicty is a serious issue..
he took milk thistle,drank lots of water.. but still got toxic buildup.
the real kicker to the whole thing is he ran doses of anavar 60mg for 10 weeks... with his injects.. guys on here claim to have run orals longer,higher doses and more toxic orals as well and never had a problem..

so alot of it is prob genetics.. if you have a liver that is built like a steel tank youll be ok.. if your liver is a tin can your prob gonna have problems reguardless of how much water or milk thistle you use.

 

[georgie24]

do some reasearch

fukkenshredded ran winny for 5 months straight and dabbled with Xtacy on the weekends, he almost died and wound up with hepititus.

dont abuse orals

use liver supps while on them

drink lots of water

 

[Powerbuilder333]

What's M1T? And what purpose does it serve?

Cancell my question, I googled it.
Toxic Prohormone with dubious usefullness.

 

[georgie24]

What's M1T? And what purpose does it serve?

its a disgusting compound and VERY toxic

 

[NYBodyguard]

when the liver stops working or is damaged.. it cuases the gallbladder to back up,cuases the pancrease to not work properly and cuases the intestines to not digest food correct.. guys loose lots of weight..

I just watched a good friend go through this.. he got yellow skin and eyes,, his liver was swelled and cuased gallballder problems.. he had the shits and runs for a month...his bilirubin levels were off the chart due to toxic hepatitis...
so far he lost 25 lbs.. and still cant work out untill may 15th if even then..

this was back one march 25th he was hospitalized ..its been one month and for him almost 6 weeks off all steroids he is finally digesting food somewhat normal but its still is kinda green and mushy..

liver toxicty is a serious issue..
he took milk thistle,drank lots of water.. but still got toxic buildup.
the real kicker to the whole thing is he ran doses of anavar 60mg for 10 weeks... with his injects.. guys on here claim to have run orals longer,higher doses and more toxic orals as well and never had a problem..

so alot of it is prob genetics.. if you have a liver that is built like a steel tank youll be ok.. if your liver is a tin can your prob gonna have problems reguardless of how much water or milk thistle you use.

crazy story but either

a) he abused other drugs as well (mostlikly)

b) hes got a very weak liver (very not likly)

lets be real tons of guys just right here on this forum are running more then one oral at once for a long time, how many posts about failed liver do you see, how many in general in bb'ing?

How many guys in the gym in the past 10 years got fucked up, I dont know any thank god but sure as hell know tons who use serious amounts.

Here is the pattern of those who got seriously fucked up in BB

Serious drinkers and drug abusers such as oxycontin etc + juice

If orals would kill like people say the guy from the 70's would be dead by mid 80's

Lets not get all politically correct here and say what we feel is right to say because thats just a bullshit way to live, look at real numbers and talk the truth.

Women are big abusers of var how many you know fucked up (liver wise that is)

 

[chazk]

crazy story but either

a) he abused other drugs as well (mostlikly)

b) hes got a very weak liver (very not likly)

lets be real tons of guys just right here on this forum are running more then one oral at once for a long time, how many posts about failed liver do you see, how many in general in bb'ing?

How many guys in the gym in the past 10 years got fucked up, I dont know any thank god but sure as hell know tons who use serious amounts.

Here is the pattern of those who got seriously fucked up in BB

Serious drinkers and drug abusers such as oxycontin etc + juice

If orals would kill like people say the guy from the 70's would be dead by mid 80's

Lets not get all politically correct here and say what we feel is right to say because thats just a bullshit way to live, look at real numbers and talk the truth.

Women are big abusers of var how many you know fucked up (liver wise that is)

no its not a crazy story
he ran anavar 10 weeks
test 500mg and eq 600mg

by week 10 he was in the hospital with toxics hepatits.
that was it no drinking no drugs..
his blood got real thick the liver swelled. and next thing yea know he was yellow as a traffic light and lost 25lbs.. mainly becuase he could not lift for 6 weeks.due to the fact he was not digesting food.when he ate something it came out his ass and looked exactly like when he chewed it up.

no one knows exactly how steroids are gonna effect them..
one guy in here post a few months agoe dbol gave him tiny liver tumors after 4 weeks..now thats some scary shit..

nybodyguard be thanksfull you ,I and guys on here have strong livers that can handle the drugs.. but he could not handle it... just as some guys drink everyday live to be 80 with no problems some guys find themselves at 40 awaiting a liver transplant...

and also guys at thr gym that fuck themselves up usually just disappear and leave for awhile and dont talk about the liver or kidney problems they had its almost like a taboo to even mention liver or kidney damage to other bodybuilders... Its actually more common then what you think...I never said people died from steroid use.

for you to compare it by saying guys from the 70's would be dead by now... becuase of the orals they used...well here is the news you dont wanna hear they are dying mike mentzer died a few years back and others have to you just dont hear it much becuase they are not arnold franco or big lou .. the ones with better genetics and better livers have lived longer just as expected..
the ones with weaker body such as heart liver kidneys are not doing se well.
lets just take a look at some recent guys,flex,youngblood,newman,andremunzter,dillet .. they ran the drugs they had serious problems.. but guys like jay and coleman keep on going its all genetics not even at the muscle level but as far as having internal organs that can handle the drugs...

 

[gjohnson5]

I am in agreement that people on this board will do heavy amounts of drugs trying to look like the top pros and they don't have decent genetics much less good genetics.

Taking heavy amounts of drugs is no substitute for god given ability

So when one abuses orals in an attempt to look like a top pro , I agree that ones liver can suffer immensely

no its not a crazy story
he ran anavar 10 weeks
test 500mg and eq 600mg

by week 10 he was in the hospital with toxics hepatits.
that was it no drinking no drugs..
his blood got real thick the liver swelled. and next thing yea know he was yellow as a traffic light and lost 25lbs.. mainly becuase he could not lift for 6 weeks.due to the fact he was not digesting food.when he ate something it came out his ass and looked exactly like when he chewed it up.

no one knows exactly how steroids are gonna effect them..
one guy in here post a few months agoe dbol gave him tiny liver tumors after 4 weeks..now thats some scary shit..

nybodyguard be thanksfull you ,I and guys on here have strong livers that can handle the drugs.. but he could not handle it... just as some guys drink everyday live to be 80 with no problems some guys find themselves at 40 awaiting a liver transplant...

and also guys at thr gym that fuck themselves up usually just disappear and leave for awhile and dont talk about the liver or kidney problems they had its almost like a taboo to even mention liver or kidney damage to other bodybuilders... Its actually more common then what you think...I never said people died from steroid use.

for you to compare it by saying guys from the 70's would be dead by now... becuase of the orals they used...well here is the news you dont wanna hear they are dying mike mentzer died a few years back and others have to you just dont hear it much becuase they are not arnold franco or big lou .. the ones with better genetics and better livers have lived longer just as expected..
the ones with weaker body such as heart liver kidneys are not doing se well.
lets just take a look at some recent guys,flex,youngblood,newman,andremunzter,dillet .. they ran the drugs they had serious problems.. but guys like jay and coleman keep on going its all genetics not even at the muscle level but as far as having internal organs that can handle the drugs...

 

[methodx31]

I always see people claiming on forums how liver support supplements are so crucial. They say things like "Don't mess with your liver health bro"

But I mean how many people need liver transplants from using Anadrol?

WTF.... Are they just repeating each other?

They are not just repeating each other. The liver is a highly necessary organ and there is NO NEED to risk damage by avoiding liver support supplementation. Also, whenever possible, INJECT. More immediately bioactive and no breakdown in the digestive tract.

 

[needtogetaas]

They are not just repeating each other. The liver is a highly necessary organ and there is NO NEED to risk damage by avoiding liver support supplementation. Also, whenever possible, INJECT. More immediately bioactive and no breakdown in the digestive tract.

in short dont fuck with the liver and never take large amounts of orals for a long time.

that thread with the guy that had a friend that got yellow eyes comes to mind.

 

[billdance]

I had a bud come to the gym...and his damn eyes were yellow.... but the dumb fuck was freaking eating drol...d-bol...and winny...like pez candy..... 6 months I think.